Did Hermione worry that Ron viewed her as a sister?

JKMercury · 2017-09-09T16:52:27+00:00

I'm not sure about the earlier books, but in the 4th when Ron gets insanely jealous Hermione says something like, "Next time hurry up and ask me yourself instead of getting jealous about it."

Which Ron says, "She completely missed the point (about why he was mad)".

Then Harry thinks to himself that he thought Hermione got the point more than Ron did.

So I think based on this Hermione very much understands why Ron is jealous and Harry gets it too. It's only Ron that refuses to admit what's really going on.

gotohellstephanie · 2017-09-09T14:12:15+00:00

I can definitely see that. Especially considering at this time, Ron hasn't really hinted at liking her like in DH. And for Hermione, I don't think she'd want to ruin any friendship she has with them, so she doesn't want to make a wrong move.

InquisitorCOC · 2017-09-09T16:32:05+00:00

Hermione wasn't that confident about herself either:

She had doubts about her look, and she definitely wasn't Emma Watson.
She knew her personalities were not that popular: argumentative, bossy, and nagging.
I think she also worried that if she got together with Ron or Harry, the other boy could be sidelined or turned into the third wheel. The consequence could be disastrous in their struggle against Voldemort.

Turbowuff · 2017-09-09T15:17:33+00:00

Very good observations! I agree with everything you've said. Rejection sucks, but in my head it would almost be worse if someone said "you're like a sibling to me" than "sorry I don't feel the same way" you know?

hpquotebot · 2017-09-09T12:21:17+00:00

Quote starting with:

“Ron,” she said severely as she turned and trod on his feet, “this is exactly why Ginny hasn’t told you she’s seeing

Quote found in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (US), Chapter 16, Page 342

She went up to the counter and handed over fifteen Sickles and two Knuts, Ron still breathing down her neck.
“Ron,” she said severely as she turned and trod on his feet, “this is exactly why Ginny hasn’t told you she’s seeing Michael, she knew you’d take it badly. So don’t harp on about it, for heaven’s sake.”
“What d’you mean, who’s taking anything badly? I’m not going to harp on about anything …”

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The_Realest_Adam · 2017-09-09T16:43:12+00:00

Did Hermione worry that

Yes, probably. She's also probably read the book on it

janethefox · 2017-09-09T17:53:24+00:00

I'm just struck by the word "chunter." What version of the book is this?

I might be wrong, but I think my version said "mutter" instead? I guess I couuuuuuld check, but...

Lolo424 · 2017-09-09T19:05:29+00:00

They bickered like a married couple all along. It was all a matter of time. In teenage relationships, they always try and make the other jealous to reaffirm their spot.

rosenyc26 · 2017-09-09T18:15:34+00:00

Ron also was very obsessed with Hermione's ability to get to all of her classes in Prisoner of Azkaban. He was constantly asking her and Harry how she possibly managed to fit all of her courses into her schedule when several occurred at the same time. I think that this is when he truly begins to take notice of her especially compared to Harry, who feels he doesn't have the time to be bothered worrying about Hermione's schedule. Ron also seemed to be more effected by her becoming petrified in the chamber of secrets than Harry does.

DPSOnly · 2017-09-09T17:44:05+00:00

I figured that it would have been clear enough for her to see he liked her from all the awkward moments they had, but now I realize that we see all those awkward moments from the point of view of Harry and it is very much a possibility that most of that happened without Hermione noticing.

Sazz_LaRoach · 2017-09-09T17:45:44+00:00

Ha, ironic. Keep in mind, hermione does not have the same information that we as readers do. So all the implications about Ron+Ginny would not be part of her reality, as these were directed at us, the readers. However hermione is pretty clever, so its possible she would have picked up on the tension at some point. If she did, i guess she would not be worried that ron viewed her as a sister so much as hopeful. Either way, great question OP, ive always felt that this complex ( and maybe slightly uncomfortable) part of the series gets glossed over or simply ignored by many HP fans.

HippieSoulPunx · 2017-09-09T22:22:27+00:00

I don't think she specifically worried he viewed her as a sister, but even being close friends is a reason to not want to ask someone out or confess your feelings to them. I think they were both just young and unsure of how to go about figuring out their feelings, then deciding when/how/if at all to express them. Plus they argue a lot, so I think neither of them felt like the other would feel the same way.

appelflappentap · 2017-09-09T17:18:41+00:00

Hermione was the typical overachieving bookworm, which isn't the type of girl that's very popular with guys (I know because I was one myself). She must have been scared to get rejected by a guy she liked, but if she were to get rejected by Ron it could ruin her friendship with both Ron and Harry, because things would become too awkward. And considering they have been friends since the very first day, it would make sense that Ron would see her more as a sister (like Harry does).

hdrdare · 2017-09-09T20:22:16+00:00

I don't think she was afraid of viewing him as a sister but a lot of other things were at play that defined their school years and them not coming together at any point.

The biggest one of them is the fact that Hermione and Ron were two very different people and I know that in literature at large it is implied that opposites always attract but in real life that is as far from the truth as possible. Opposite do always have instant connection with each other that stems from their differences but it never leads to attraction. Attraction always stems from some similarity that the two people see between themselves that becomes the building block of the relationship. Something to build over. And Ron and Hermione never had that during the time they were in school. They thought differently. Viewed the world differently and had major personality differences which led to them certainly having maybe a crush on each other but never liking.

Which is why even thought they had many chances to take that one crucial step, none of the two did because they were not entirely convinced. Their hearts had not grown for each other. They only developed strong feelings for each other in DH and that is because in DH they were separated from the school. Thus, now they were spending time together where they were developing feelings for each other that were much larger than a crush. They were not attending classes or playing quidditch but just getting to know each other. It was the isolation from the outside world that brought them closer. Had they finished like normal teenager I dont think they ever would have come together.

Amrick · 2017-09-10T03:18:54+00:00

I always thought it was a gradual thing. In the beginning - the first year, they both disliked her intensely for being bossy, naggy, and a know-it-all. After the troll incident, they got to know her and saw so much of her than surface-level her. She's incredibly smart, has a good sense of ethics and morals (house elves), loyal to the core, and honest. She's a good person despite her flaws. During 4th year, they seemed to have hit puberty and dressed up (her hair was less frizzy, didn't her teeth also get fixed at this point?) so Ron probably saw her as a "girl" at this point.

I think she gradually grew to like Ron just as he gradually grew to like her. I think it happened slowly, over time, and she picked up on it a bit more than he did.

A_Lurker_Once_Was_I · 2017-09-09T20:20:11+00:00

I think that she probably thought that he just viewed her as a friend in the beginning and then something went "aha" in her mind at some point.

That being said, I think that they shouldn't have ended up together. Their relationship, to me, seemed pretty toxic. I can't say who they should have ended up together with (and I'm not going to say Hermione with Harry either here), but my opinion still stands on them having a toxic relationship.

KarlyPilkboys20 · 2017-09-09T18:16:08+00:00

JKMercury · 2017-09-09T16:52:27+00:00

I'm not sure about the earlier books, but in the 4th when Ron gets insanely jealous Hermione says something like, "Next time hurry up and ask me yourself instead of getting jealous about it."

Which Ron says, "She completely missed the point (about why he was mad)".

Then Harry thinks to himself that he thought Hermione got the point more than Ron did.

So I think based on this Hermione very much understands why Ron is jealous and Harry gets it too. It's only Ron that refuses to admit what's really going on.

gotohellstephanie · 2017-09-09T14:12:15+00:00

I can definitely see that. Especially considering at this time, Ron hasn't really hinted at liking her like in DH. And for Hermione, I don't think she'd want to ruin any friendship she has with them, so she doesn't want to make a wrong move.

InquisitorCOC · 2017-09-09T16:32:05+00:00

Hermione wasn't that confident about herself either:

She had doubts about her look, and she definitely wasn't Emma Watson.
She knew her personalities were not that popular: argumentative, bossy, and nagging.
I think she also worried that if she got together with Ron or Harry, the other boy could be sidelined or turned into the third wheel. The consequence could be disastrous in their struggle against Voldemort.

Turbowuff · 2017-09-09T15:17:33+00:00

Very good observations! I agree with everything you've said. Rejection sucks, but in my head it would almost be worse if someone said "you're like a sibling to me" than "sorry I don't feel the same way" you know?

hpquotebot · 2017-09-09T12:21:17+00:00

Quote starting with:

“Ron,” she said severely as she turned and trod on his feet, “this is exactly why Ginny hasn’t told you she’s seeing

Quote found in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (US), Chapter 16, Page 342

She went up to the counter and handed over fifteen Sickles and two Knuts, Ron still breathing down her neck.
“Ron,” she said severely as she turned and trod on his feet, “this is exactly why Ginny hasn’t told you she’s seeing Michael, she knew you’d take it badly. So don’t harp on about it, for heaven’s sake.”
“What d’you mean, who’s taking anything badly? I’m not going to harp on about anything …”

Happy Holidays!

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The_Realest_Adam · 2017-09-09T16:43:12+00:00

Did Hermione worry that

Yes, probably. She's also probably read the book on it

janethefox · 2017-09-09T17:53:24+00:00

I'm just struck by the word "chunter." What version of the book is this?

I might be wrong, but I think my version said "mutter" instead? I guess I couuuuuuld check, but...

Lolo424 · 2017-09-09T19:05:29+00:00

They bickered like a married couple all along. It was all a matter of time. In teenage relationships, they always try and make the other jealous to reaffirm their spot.

rosenyc26 · 2017-09-09T18:15:34+00:00

Ron also was very obsessed with Hermione's ability to get to all of her classes in Prisoner of Azkaban. He was constantly asking her and Harry how she possibly managed to fit all of her courses into her schedule when several occurred at the same time. I think that this is when he truly begins to take notice of her especially compared to Harry, who feels he doesn't have the time to be bothered worrying about Hermione's schedule. Ron also seemed to be more effected by her becoming petrified in the chamber of secrets than Harry does.

DPSOnly · 2017-09-09T17:44:05+00:00

I figured that it would have been clear enough for her to see he liked her from all the awkward moments they had, but now I realize that we see all those awkward moments from the point of view of Harry and it is very much a possibility that most of that happened without Hermione noticing.

Sazz_LaRoach · 2017-09-09T17:45:44+00:00

Ha, ironic. Keep in mind, hermione does not have the same information that we as readers do. So all the implications about Ron+Ginny would not be part of her reality, as these were directed at us, the readers. However hermione is pretty clever, so its possible she would have picked up on the tension at some point. If she did, i guess she would not be worried that ron viewed her as a sister so much as hopeful. Either way, great question OP, ive always felt that this complex ( and maybe slightly uncomfortable) part of the series gets glossed over or simply ignored by many HP fans.

HippieSoulPunx · 2017-09-09T22:22:27+00:00

I don't think she specifically worried he viewed her as a sister, but even being close friends is a reason to not want to ask someone out or confess your feelings to them. I think they were both just young and unsure of how to go about figuring out their feelings, then deciding when/how/if at all to express them. Plus they argue a lot, so I think neither of them felt like the other would feel the same way.

appelflappentap · 2017-09-09T17:18:41+00:00

Hermione was the typical overachieving bookworm, which isn't the type of girl that's very popular with guys (I know because I was one myself). She must have been scared to get rejected by a guy she liked, but if she were to get rejected by Ron it could ruin her friendship with both Ron and Harry, because things would become too awkward. And considering they have been friends since the very first day, it would make sense that Ron would see her more as a sister (like Harry does).

hdrdare · 2017-09-09T20:22:16+00:00

I don't think she was afraid of viewing him as a sister but a lot of other things were at play that defined their school years and them not coming together at any point.

The biggest one of them is the fact that Hermione and Ron were two very different people and I know that in literature at large it is implied that opposites always attract but in real life that is as far from the truth as possible. Opposite do always have instant connection with each other that stems from their differences but it never leads to attraction. Attraction always stems from some similarity that the two people see between themselves that becomes the building block of the relationship. Something to build over. And Ron and Hermione never had that during the time they were in school. They thought differently. Viewed the world differently and had major personality differences which led to them certainly having maybe a crush on each other but never liking.

Which is why even thought they had many chances to take that one crucial step, none of the two did because they were not entirely convinced. Their hearts had not grown for each other. They only developed strong feelings for each other in DH and that is because in DH they were separated from the school. Thus, now they were spending time together where they were developing feelings for each other that were much larger than a crush. They were not attending classes or playing quidditch but just getting to know each other. It was the isolation from the outside world that brought them closer. Had they finished like normal teenager I dont think they ever would have come together.

Amrick · 2017-09-10T03:18:54+00:00

I always thought it was a gradual thing. In the beginning - the first year, they both disliked her intensely for being bossy, naggy, and a know-it-all. After the troll incident, they got to know her and saw so much of her than surface-level her. She's incredibly smart, has a good sense of ethics and morals (house elves), loyal to the core, and honest. She's a good person despite her flaws. During 4th year, they seemed to have hit puberty and dressed up (her hair was less frizzy, didn't her teeth also get fixed at this point?) so Ron probably saw her as a "girl" at this point.

I think she gradually grew to like Ron just as he gradually grew to like her. I think it happened slowly, over time, and she picked up on it a bit more than he did.

A_Lurker_Once_Was_I · 2017-09-09T20:20:11+00:00

I think that she probably thought that he just viewed her as a friend in the beginning and then something went "aha" in her mind at some point.

That being said, I think that they shouldn't have ended up together. Their relationship, to me, seemed pretty toxic. I can't say who they should have ended up together with (and I'm not going to say Hermione with Harry either here), but my opinion still stands on them having a toxic relationship.

KarlyPilkboys20 · 2017-09-09T18:16:08+00:00

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