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[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 14 points15 points  (7 children)

We take Kashmir

[–]PakistanSTOP_SCREAMING_AT_ME 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Then we take all of India

Then we take Bangladesh back

Then we take all of Asia

Then we take Europe

Then we build a spaceship to Alpha Centauri and win the game

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No way.

We don't want Bangladesh back.

[–]Batman_Lambo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Bangladesh can stay put. Everything else, we will take.

[–]ScotlandPleasant_Jim 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah its just more realistic that way.

[–]Leeon1994 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I stopped reading at Bangladesh.

[–]Pakistansaadabdullah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OMG ! Zaid hamid ?

[–]refillit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thus Ghazwa-e-Hind fulfilled. :)

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 9 points10 points  (9 children)

I'm sure if it ever comes down to war, Pakistan will help china.

India can't fight a war with China alone, I don't think they would be stupid enough to fight a two front war.

But hey, we might be able to take all of Kashmir if they do something reckless.

[–]PakistanTwpak[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 2 points3 points  (7 children)

North Korea claims it can defeat the US and the entire world, it doesn't matter what someone claims.

Everyone knows they have 0 chance in a 2 front war, and these days the only people the US fights are farmers and countries who can't defend themselves, I just can't see US being able to convince the majority of Americans that a war with two nuclear countries (mainly china) would be worth it.

[–]CheckedOutDidntLeave 8 points9 points  (6 children)

India has a geographical advantage due to the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau. Also of the Indian Army's 35 divisions.

10 face the Chinese border and 25 face the Pakistani border. Sure as hell India can fight a 2 front war. We have peer capability on both fronts. Winning is a whole another story though we too can't invade China across the Himalayas.

All this is just speculation since War is extremely unlikely. The Chinese and Indian troops in the sector don't even carry guns to prevent escalation, so cooler heads will prevail.

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course they can fight, but chance of winning is dismal.

[–]PakistanHMTheEmperor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

1962

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Your logistics won't be able to sustain a two front war for very long at all. Forget about fighting, your army will get stuck in traffic.

[–]CheckedOutDidntLeave 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That was the case before 2008. But after the Army basically said they are not capable of a rapid mobilization to strike Pakistan, there has been a lot of work done to improve the situation.

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The situation has hardly improved. You don't have resources for a two front war.

[–]pakimemer 11 points12 points  (40 children)

The most we will probably do is, start putting pressure along the LOC.

I don't see war happening between the 2 nations. India is high on nationalistic India is so powerful Fervor and won't budge. China will try to resolve the matter by offering some considerations to India while still looking good.

These 2 big guns in the region going to war is the last thing anybody wants

[–]Americataimur12 8 points9 points  (39 children)

india is no big gun, is inferior to china in everything. china can call for a ceasefire after giving them a thorough beat down at the border.

[–]pakimemer 22 points23 points  (37 children)

They might be inferior to China but they are a big regional player militarily and economically. They get their big gun cred by being second only to China in our neck of the woods

[–]Americataimur12 -2 points-1 points  (36 children)

not really, they can't touch pakistan, couldn't even touch srilanka after supporting insurgency against them for so long. there are no other players around. china is the hegemon in the region.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

not really, they can't touch pakistan,

Lahore is 80 km from LOC , even a s300 could cripple the capitals defence if India wants to .

couldn't even touch srilanka after supporting insurgency against them for so long.

Wut?

china is the hegemon in the region.

Lol they literally have a border conflict with nearly every neighbour ,china is encircled by the US and its allies , that's why its looking towards the west for a new supply line .

[–]pakimemer 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Bhai, I didn't say they could or couldn't touch Pakistan. Check out my history to get a better understanding of my position. I'm Simply making a statement of fact. In our region the 2 big guns are China and India. Both are militarily and economically stronger then the rest in the region. Saying this doesn't mean we are push overs. Saying this doesnt mean one is praising India.

[–]Americataimur12 6 points7 points  (2 children)

economically i agree, militarily i disagree. India buys it's weaponry, it's quality and technology is on par with all of the rest of the countries that also buy unlike china that manufactures it's own. modern battles have shown that having more stuff is no advantage, having superior technology and quality is the real advantage. e.g. arab-israel wars, 65 indo-pak war.

[–]pakimemer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Im done... lol

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 22 points23 points  (29 children)

Well history says that they cut Pakistan in half. So, they did a lot more than touch you know.

[–]Baliqni 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Won an un-loseable war in East Pak, the odds won't be so stacked in India's favour if it takes on China

[–]pakimemer 7 points8 points  (4 children)

and we took a chunk of Kashmir. What's your point.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 13 points14 points  (2 children)

and we took a chunk of Kashmir. What's your point.

Your took Kashmir from the princely state of Kashmir , not India .Kashmir merged with india after pak militants took half of the princely state .

[–]pakimemer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hey thanks for admitting the instrument of accession was invalid. Well played

[–]Americataimur12 3 points4 points  (22 children)

pakistan was already cut in half. 62, 65, and 98 nuke tests, show your status as a power (zero projection).

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

98 nuke tests, show your status as a power (zero projection).

Yes look at super power north Korea

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 15 points16 points  (20 children)

98 nuke tests

Lol what? Just because India did not stop Pakistan from testing its nukes means its weak? By this logic China too is a weak country that couldn't stop India from testing its nukes. Your logic is flawed.

[–]Americataimur12 8 points9 points  (19 children)

India couldn't stop pakistan from making nuclear weapons, no other regional power allows another country in it's region to acquire nukes, because then after any mumbai or parliament, you are reduced to doing surgical strikes on television.

india tried to neutralize paksitan in 65, historic failure. india could've done 71 at any time, even in 47, but threat was lahore, not Dhaka. no other large country is this impotent in it's region. travel the globe.

China and India did not have the same level of hostility, although china still wanted to stop india from making nukes, but india was too big.

[–]panda_zen 4 points5 points  (7 children)

You got nukes because CIA was supporting you.

[–]khanartiste 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Lol no, they actively tried to stop it

[–]Pakistanscoutnemesis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

are you actually retarded?

[–]Pakistanabdulisbest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because CIA was supporting you.

ye tou latest news ho gaye

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you high? The US attacked Pakistan with sanctions and no intel agency dishes out nuclear secrets.

Just follow your fellow Indians and say it was a gift from N.Korea, that would be more realistic than the CIA

[–]chandadagudi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Deluded

Back to 1970s propaganda eh

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

india is no big gun,

Right India is only the 5th biggest gdp & the 4th largest military in the world. 😒

is inferior to china in everything.

Unless its a all out war lasting months it won't matter , the days of prolonged war is over.

china can call for a ceasefire after giving them a thorough beat down at the border.

China is at the disadvantage here , only mountain warfare is possible in the Himalayas , Kashmir has 600,000 troops , their only option is himachal & uttrakhand. India can annex the mountainious chumbi valley & china will target arunanchal . Where 200,000 troops are stationed .

[–]Azad KashmirDRMOOMOO420 9 points10 points  (1 child)

One million pathans across the border, Whole AJK turned into military base, nuke on Mumbai, Hafiz Saeed becomes Field Marshal, nuke on Delhi, Golden Temple on Amritsar converted to masjid, nuke Tel Aviv, Chairman Mao replaces Quaid on banknotes, nuke New York.

[–]Busy_aloo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

how is the quality of hashish in Pak ? ;)

[–]Peshawar Zalmibadinspector2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There could be a small clash where both sides would have to step in to calm the situation (most likely scenario). Small scuffles are common in the region. India is standing ground due to backing of Washington's strategy to curb China's gaining influence around the World. India wouldn't stand its ground alone. A large clash will be a big loss to both sides financially and would be stupid in simple words.

Hypothetically if clashes slowly reaches toward the western border and turns into a war, Pakistan will certainly get involved. Currently for China it is not an issue about the physical border it is about India stepping in where they shouldn't. For Indias nationalist government it is about showing resiliency to a bigger fish. The matter is actually inside Bhutan from reading so far. Currently it is a psychological battle ground more than a physical. Pakistan surely wouldn't sit around if clashes take place. Mostly these small things get sorted out through dialogue and everyone forgets. I wouldn't bet on anything big but you may never know about the "secrets" of geopolitics.

[–]PakistanMianwaliDaChor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Laugh and sip tea.

[–]matisback 16 points17 points  (38 children)

"Perfect opportunity to wrest Kashmir!"

-Pakistan 1947, 1965, 1980, 1999 and 2017

Edit: To triggered Pakistanis. Your obsession with wresting away Kashmir is one of the primary reason why you are falling behind India in every economic and social indicator.

Please focus on solving the myriad real world problems that impact Pakistan rather than circle jerking over Kashmir.

Kashmir cannot be won militarily. Pakistan doesn't have enough resources to launch and win an attack against India, even if India is actively engaging China.

So relax. Shah Rukh Khan has made another terrible film. Take your families to the movies and have a good time.

[–]Americataimur12 19 points20 points  (18 children)

did take kashmir in 1947, nehru ran to UN after losing so much territory. 65 india crossed international border starting war otherwise conflict was restricted to disputed area kashmir and FAILED, despite having more tanks, soldiers, planes etc. it was akin to the Israel Arab six day war.

the only genuine chance Pakistan had was in 62, india had Zero chances of defending two fronts. Historic records show than paksitan was ready, but backed out after pressure from US not to assist communist china, also china-pak relations hadn't matured yet, and Pakistan was thoroughly in the US camp in the cold war.

from an unbiased perspective no regional power has been this impotent than india. Pakistan becoming a nuclear state says something about Pakistan, but a lot more about India.

[–]Froogler 18 points19 points  (2 children)

did take kashmir in 1947,

Pakistan took it from Hari Singh, not India.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hurr durr he was hindu king so he is India to us /s

[–]matisback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why are you even bothering? Let them enjoy na.

[–]matisback 5 points6 points  (14 children)

So cute.

Please tell me more. What do they teach you about 1971 and 1999?

[–]Americataimur12 15 points16 points  (13 children)

facts are cute.

71 pak had no chance, due to basic geography. if balochistan was a part of india, india couldn't defend it either. bangladesh was worse. india funded an insurgency, encircled the territory, and then went in.

99 was just border clash and in the end status quo remained. It did show however that with Pakistan becoming nuclear, india now, unlike in 65, can not cross the international border. proved again in parliament and mumbai.

[–]refillit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

proved again in parliament and mumbai.

Going good, bud.

[–]matisback -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Facts aren't just cute they are awesome.

Too bad you don't know any.

[–]Americataimur12 10 points11 points  (2 children)

you really are indian.

[–]Baliqni 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Facts aren't just cute they are awesome.

So you are saying East Pakistan was not far away from West?

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 6 points7 points  (0 children)

please enlighten us

[–]alizcheema 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Kashmir is not an obsession for Pakistan. It is disputed territory. You have your claim, we have ours. I agree with you, we cannot take it by force of arms right now but you shouldn't accept us to give up on it altogether. I do believe Kashmir is worth more to us than it is to India.

[–]matisback 8 points9 points  (7 children)

What I heard. "Kashmir is worth more to us than Pakistan itself"

[–]haikubot-1911 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What I heard. "Kashmir

Is worth more to us than

Pakistan itself"

 

                  - matisback


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[–]matisback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Woah! Thanks Haikubot!!

[–]alizcheema 1 point2 points  (4 children)

That might actually be true. And from your point of view i can understand how incredibly stupid it might sound. But then, from your POV partition was stupid too.

As far as i understand, the call for the division of india was based on an idealogy. If a Pakistani isnt true to that idealogy today then he may as well say partition was a mistake (and some do); but if he is, he is tied to Kashmir in a way you probably wouldn't understand.

[–]matisback 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There is a small chance that the idealogy was false to begin with. The south Asian Muslim population is divided equally across 3 countries. That should give you a hint.

[–]alizcheema 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree. I actually think 'small chance' is an understatement. But, whats done is done this generation cannot undo it. So we close our minds, and hold onto what we are left with. Do you blame us for trying to avoid an exsistancial crisis?

[–]matisback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. I see your point and am in agreement.

[–]Mushroomfry_throw [score hidden]  (0 children)

  1. No sensible Indian thinks partition was bad.

  2. If you are actually true to your idealogy you would take the 200 million muslims in India first before asking for a piece of land.

[–]raisedrss 2 points3 points  (9 children)

What I heard. "Since we don't have anything else to do, we will keep fighting for someone else's land."

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Someone else's land? Switch off the telie and open a book.

[–]raisedrss 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Yep, it IS someone else's land. It's not yours to claim in the first place.

[–]haikubot-1911 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yep, it IS someone

Else's land. It's not yours to

Claim in the first place.

 

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[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks haiku bot! :)

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Spare me the opportunity to educate you. If do not believe Kashmir is disputed territory then theres really no argument to be had.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So, what part is disputed and what part isn't. Also, would you agree that you have no rights to Jammu? What about people displaced from their native lands in Srinagar, Anantnag etc.?

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its all yours. All of it. Happy? Have a good night and since it is independence week, happy independence from Farangi raj.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Happy independence week to you too, from India. You got independence one day earlier than us! Damn those Firangis!

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They knew they couldnt leave us alone with you :D Jokes apart, we have more in common then differences. I hope we can learn to live together in peace and prosper.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't get your hopes to high. China like Pakistan for now. But, they don't really have their horns locked against us in India. They'll fight for the chicken neck, that's all. We won't have lesser army in Kashmir or any vulnerabilities left for the Pakistan to take advantage of. So, I'll say keep dreaming.

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wo sar kalam kar denge us taraf aur hum is taraf.

[–]Haystack9 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Neutrality. Dokhlam won't be blown into an all out war, but just a standoff. So no biggie. China is more than capable of handling India alone in a limited (or a full on conflict). However if it blows in a full war, America will be drawn into it- and Pakistan will have to open another front on LoC.

The ultimate goals however for China would be to cut off the chickens neck, and pump the independence movements in Nagaland and Assam etc. The Indian troops there would be sitting ducks for China, and will be massacred. India's appeal of using Bangladesh land would be rejected. This is highly unlikely- but without a doubt this will be perfect for China.

[–]Americataimur12 3 points4 points  (7 children)

neutrality was our the mistake in 62.

[–]Haystack9 8 points9 points  (4 children)

We should avoid any war and focus on our own growth. India is massive and opening a front against India won't be easy. Pakistan and her armed forces are tailored for defensive warfare. India being 7x our size cannot think of reaching Islamabad. However we'll be blown out of the water if we attack first.

China and India will settle the differences today or tomorrow, and then India will come for us. It'll be stupid.

[–]India516fam 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Nothing will happen. China will posture to threaten us but they will not risk pulling off anything reckless outside of funding fringe insurgencies.

As for /u/taimur12, India is fast becoming the 2nd largest player in Asia today. Japan is a declining power whose economy we will overtake by 2030 and no other Asian country sans China will be able to provide opposition to us. So don't get any fanciful notions in your head about "taking Kashmir" or think for a moment anything of benefit to Pakistan will come from this.

[–]Haystack9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

War between two giants is never good. We all should avoid war. However if war blows into a full massive conflict. India should pray US hops in. If US ignores (which is impossible), and China convinces Pakistan to open a front- it would end unimaginably worse for India.

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You're deluded.

[–]India516fam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What am I deluded about? That Doklam won't lead to a war between China/India? That you will take Kashmir from us? That we won't be the 3rd largest economy by 2030 which most economists agree we will?

Which other country is there that can also stand up to China outside of us? Japan and SK are in bed with the US and the only other contender I could see is Indonesia. Everyone else is too weak or, like you people, in bed with China.

[–]panda_zen -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Pakistan was not prepared in 62. China didn't inform Pakistan in 62 too. Pakistan had mostly American hardware in 62. Americans would never like western hardware helping communist regimes. The US put sanction in 65 for use against India.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China requested Pakistan to join, but Ayub Khan's distrust of them kept Pakistan in the sidelines.

China was not a big player then and America would still support Pakistan to counter the Soviet influence in India.

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 5 points6 points  (8 children)

The ultimate goals however for China would be to cut off the chickens neck, and pump the independence...

This should warrant a nuclear response i guess.

[–]Americataimur12 5 points6 points  (1 child)

lol! no, nuke would be option if chinese were about to enter dehli. you really think if pakistan or india or china, took over some border territory the response should be suicide?

[–]Haystack9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nukes? No way. They'll legalise it by calling for a 'legitimate' independence movement. Nukes are only there for Delhi's survival. Nuking a country like China is no joke. China is massssssive. Nuking will ensure MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

China has more and higher yield nukes, India will become a wasteland if they used the bomb.

Also the diplomatic repurcussions are too high, if India does survive it will be an isolated outcast like N Korea.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

China has more and higher yield nukes,

On paper , these are technologies from the 50s-70s, its foolish to think a country with one of the largest nuclear programs in asia will have the same yield as it did in the 70s , hell india is said to have a mini-city sized factory in Karnataka to build nukes , just like how the Soviets did.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me you aren't serious

[–]refillit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kya baat hey! Aisa Analysis to maine kahin nahin dekha... Behtareen!

[–]matisback -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You'll need a new pair of pants.

[–]panda_zen 5 points6 points  (19 children)

It will be a temporary issue and both countries will delay the decision. It involves Bhutan, so India will not easily give up. If all out war breaks out, expect massive human casualties, likely nuclear exchange and direct involvement of the US. If China gets Indian ocean below India, it will be a nightmare for the US and Europe.

If Pakistan interferes, India will later pay back. Assassination of any pro-Chinese politicians, direct support to anti-Pakistan terrorist organization.

China is not stupid enough to involve Pakistan because India will likely join future disputes with any country against China. Pakistan is more kind of liability than an asset.

In any war, China won't get anything from attacking India. Occupying India will be harder and building supply lines will be expensive. And India using nuclear weapons is also another concern. China will lose a trading partner. US military base in northern India will also be a nightmare.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (18 children)

India can't even assassinate people like Hafiz Saeed and you are talking about politicians? And we are seeing the full support for anti-state terrorists already, they are getting destroyed.

Please stop this fake bravado.

[–]panda_zen 9 points10 points  (17 children)

Hafiz Saeed is golden egg laying hen !!

As long as he is alive, we can blame Pakistan a country which sponsors terrorism.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Ah yes claim incompetence as some kind of 4D chess, the dumbest argument you could make.

[–]panda_zen 5 points6 points  (10 children)

you got a fat old clerics and waste tax payer money on him and got India suspending all talks because of him. You can't really kill him unless you are ready to bury your own people, can you ?

Here, in India, we don't need to do anything other than telling you we don't negotiate with cowards.

Now you tell !!

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin -1 points0 points  (9 children)

That must be why India has been crying to the international community to take action against him.

In Pakistan he is a philanthropist and runs a large charity, this situation benefits us far more.

[–]panda_zen 7 points8 points  (8 children)

We ask the international community to not to treat you well.

May be you should phrase this sentence again, he is under house arrest. Either you are too retarded to arrest a philanthropist or idiot to call him a philanthropist.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Ok then those efforts have utterly failed, nobody except Afghanistan treats us badly.

So what if he is under house arrest? Are you brain dead? he is not his charity and it can function well without him. The point is you missed your window and as a result his philanthropy benefited Pakistan far more than India's failed attempt at maligning Pakistan because of him

[–]panda_zen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

ok..congratulations for killing 100s of Indians !!

[–]Baliqni -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Emotional blackmail for someone who hates your country? Why?

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Your PM is a terrorist nevermind sponsoring.

[–]panda_zen 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Unfortunately, no one outside Pakistan agrees with you.

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Pretty much all Muslims of the subcontinent agrees with it.

[–]houdini317 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's a bit rich coming from Muslims now isn't it.

[–]Pakistanscoutnemesis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whats that supposed to mean

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I read somewhere that India has already backed out.

[–]PakistanTwpak[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This HT article from 2 hours ago claims China says they are evacuating nearby villages. Although Indian army refutes it. Did not read anything about backing off anywhere. Source please if you have any.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-has-ordered-evacuation-of-frontier-sikkim-village-chinese-media/story-5PuluhPedwwUkVp1wmO2JJ.html

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

China plans long in advance, I wouldn't be surprised if Kim Jong Un's nuke threat is just to distract the US while the PLA gears up.

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, only saw a headline 2 days ago. Can't find it now

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a precautionary measure in events of heavy shelling , india did the sane after the surgical strike hoping for the worst.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are 53 soldiers there , 400 went back after china pulled out and promised to destroy a section of the road . Likely they will stay there till china keeps its promise.

[–]Pakistan-AsadBajwa94 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There would be no clash. That would be really really stupid on India's part. Not downplaying India's military might but China is a whole another beast. China will crush any one, any thing, any ideology, (insert X) in its way towards glory

[–]HomesickProgrammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, and we are expecting Pak-India takra...

[–]United Statestalha-senpai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nukes will be used and we will all die.

[–]alizcheema -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All out war is unlikely. In case of a limited conflict Pakistan will have to put pressure on the LOC, keep those Indian divisions engaged.

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[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 14 points15 points  (7 children)

We take Kashmir

[–]PakistanSTOP_SCREAMING_AT_ME 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Then we take all of India

Then we take Bangladesh back

Then we take all of Asia

Then we take Europe

Then we build a spaceship to Alpha Centauri and win the game

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No way.

We don't want Bangladesh back.

[–]Batman_Lambo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Bangladesh can stay put. Everything else, we will take.

[–]ScotlandPleasant_Jim 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah its just more realistic that way.

[–]Leeon1994 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I stopped reading at Bangladesh.

[–]Pakistansaadabdullah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OMG ! Zaid hamid ?

[–]refillit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thus Ghazwa-e-Hind fulfilled. :)

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 9 points10 points  (9 children)

I'm sure if it ever comes down to war, Pakistan will help china.

India can't fight a war with China alone, I don't think they would be stupid enough to fight a two front war.

But hey, we might be able to take all of Kashmir if they do something reckless.

[–]PakistanTwpak[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children)

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 2 points3 points  (7 children)

North Korea claims it can defeat the US and the entire world, it doesn't matter what someone claims.

Everyone knows they have 0 chance in a 2 front war, and these days the only people the US fights are farmers and countries who can't defend themselves, I just can't see US being able to convince the majority of Americans that a war with two nuclear countries (mainly china) would be worth it.

[–]CheckedOutDidntLeave 8 points9 points  (6 children)

India has a geographical advantage due to the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau. Also of the Indian Army's 35 divisions.

10 face the Chinese border and 25 face the Pakistani border. Sure as hell India can fight a 2 front war. We have peer capability on both fronts. Winning is a whole another story though we too can't invade China across the Himalayas.

All this is just speculation since War is extremely unlikely. The Chinese and Indian troops in the sector don't even carry guns to prevent escalation, so cooler heads will prevail.

[–]United StatesBrotherWalrus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course they can fight, but chance of winning is dismal.

[–]PakistanHMTheEmperor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

1962

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Your logistics won't be able to sustain a two front war for very long at all. Forget about fighting, your army will get stuck in traffic.

[–]CheckedOutDidntLeave 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That was the case before 2008. But after the Army basically said they are not capable of a rapid mobilization to strike Pakistan, there has been a lot of work done to improve the situation.

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The situation has hardly improved. You don't have resources for a two front war.

[–]pakimemer 11 points12 points  (40 children)

The most we will probably do is, start putting pressure along the LOC.

I don't see war happening between the 2 nations. India is high on nationalistic India is so powerful Fervor and won't budge. China will try to resolve the matter by offering some considerations to India while still looking good.

These 2 big guns in the region going to war is the last thing anybody wants

[–]Americataimur12 8 points9 points  (39 children)

india is no big gun, is inferior to china in everything. china can call for a ceasefire after giving them a thorough beat down at the border.

[–]pakimemer 22 points23 points  (37 children)

They might be inferior to China but they are a big regional player militarily and economically. They get their big gun cred by being second only to China in our neck of the woods

[–]Americataimur12 -2 points-1 points  (36 children)

not really, they can't touch pakistan, couldn't even touch srilanka after supporting insurgency against them for so long. there are no other players around. china is the hegemon in the region.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

not really, they can't touch pakistan,

Lahore is 80 km from LOC , even a s300 could cripple the capitals defence if India wants to .

couldn't even touch srilanka after supporting insurgency against them for so long.

Wut?

china is the hegemon in the region.

Lol they literally have a border conflict with nearly every neighbour ,china is encircled by the US and its allies , that's why its looking towards the west for a new supply line .

[–]pakimemer 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Bhai, I didn't say they could or couldn't touch Pakistan. Check out my history to get a better understanding of my position. I'm Simply making a statement of fact. In our region the 2 big guns are China and India. Both are militarily and economically stronger then the rest in the region. Saying this doesn't mean we are push overs. Saying this doesnt mean one is praising India.

[–]Americataimur12 6 points7 points  (2 children)

economically i agree, militarily i disagree. India buys it's weaponry, it's quality and technology is on par with all of the rest of the countries that also buy unlike china that manufactures it's own. modern battles have shown that having more stuff is no advantage, having superior technology and quality is the real advantage. e.g. arab-israel wars, 65 indo-pak war.

[–]pakimemer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Im done... lol

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 22 points23 points  (29 children)

Well history says that they cut Pakistan in half. So, they did a lot more than touch you know.

[–]Baliqni 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Won an un-loseable war in East Pak, the odds won't be so stacked in India's favour if it takes on China

[–]pakimemer 7 points8 points  (4 children)

and we took a chunk of Kashmir. What's your point.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 13 points14 points  (2 children)

and we took a chunk of Kashmir. What's your point.

Your took Kashmir from the princely state of Kashmir , not India .Kashmir merged with india after pak militants took half of the princely state .

[–]pakimemer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hey thanks for admitting the instrument of accession was invalid. Well played

[–]Americataimur12 3 points4 points  (22 children)

pakistan was already cut in half. 62, 65, and 98 nuke tests, show your status as a power (zero projection).

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

98 nuke tests, show your status as a power (zero projection).

Yes look at super power north Korea

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 15 points16 points  (20 children)

98 nuke tests

Lol what? Just because India did not stop Pakistan from testing its nukes means its weak? By this logic China too is a weak country that couldn't stop India from testing its nukes. Your logic is flawed.

[–]Americataimur12 8 points9 points  (19 children)

India couldn't stop pakistan from making nuclear weapons, no other regional power allows another country in it's region to acquire nukes, because then after any mumbai or parliament, you are reduced to doing surgical strikes on television.

india tried to neutralize paksitan in 65, historic failure. india could've done 71 at any time, even in 47, but threat was lahore, not Dhaka. no other large country is this impotent in it's region. travel the globe.

China and India did not have the same level of hostility, although china still wanted to stop india from making nukes, but india was too big.

[–]panda_zen 4 points5 points  (7 children)

You got nukes because CIA was supporting you.

[–]khanartiste 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Lol no, they actively tried to stop it

[–]Pakistanscoutnemesis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

are you actually retarded?

[–]Pakistanabdulisbest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because CIA was supporting you.

ye tou latest news ho gaye

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you high? The US attacked Pakistan with sanctions and no intel agency dishes out nuclear secrets.

Just follow your fellow Indians and say it was a gift from N.Korea, that would be more realistic than the CIA

[–]chandadagudi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Deluded

Back to 1970s propaganda eh

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

india is no big gun,

Right India is only the 5th biggest gdp & the 4th largest military in the world. 😒

is inferior to china in everything.

Unless its a all out war lasting months it won't matter , the days of prolonged war is over.

china can call for a ceasefire after giving them a thorough beat down at the border.

China is at the disadvantage here , only mountain warfare is possible in the Himalayas , Kashmir has 600,000 troops , their only option is himachal & uttrakhand. India can annex the mountainious chumbi valley & china will target arunanchal . Where 200,000 troops are stationed .

[–]Azad KashmirDRMOOMOO420 9 points10 points  (1 child)

One million pathans across the border, Whole AJK turned into military base, nuke on Mumbai, Hafiz Saeed becomes Field Marshal, nuke on Delhi, Golden Temple on Amritsar converted to masjid, nuke Tel Aviv, Chairman Mao replaces Quaid on banknotes, nuke New York.

[–]Busy_aloo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

how is the quality of hashish in Pak ? ;)

[–]Peshawar Zalmibadinspector2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There could be a small clash where both sides would have to step in to calm the situation (most likely scenario). Small scuffles are common in the region. India is standing ground due to backing of Washington's strategy to curb China's gaining influence around the World. India wouldn't stand its ground alone. A large clash will be a big loss to both sides financially and would be stupid in simple words.

Hypothetically if clashes slowly reaches toward the western border and turns into a war, Pakistan will certainly get involved. Currently for China it is not an issue about the physical border it is about India stepping in where they shouldn't. For Indias nationalist government it is about showing resiliency to a bigger fish. The matter is actually inside Bhutan from reading so far. Currently it is a psychological battle ground more than a physical. Pakistan surely wouldn't sit around if clashes take place. Mostly these small things get sorted out through dialogue and everyone forgets. I wouldn't bet on anything big but you may never know about the "secrets" of geopolitics.

[–]PakistanMianwaliDaChor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Laugh and sip tea.

[–]matisback 16 points17 points  (38 children)

"Perfect opportunity to wrest Kashmir!"

-Pakistan 1947, 1965, 1980, 1999 and 2017

Edit: To triggered Pakistanis. Your obsession with wresting away Kashmir is one of the primary reason why you are falling behind India in every economic and social indicator.

Please focus on solving the myriad real world problems that impact Pakistan rather than circle jerking over Kashmir.

Kashmir cannot be won militarily. Pakistan doesn't have enough resources to launch and win an attack against India, even if India is actively engaging China.

So relax. Shah Rukh Khan has made another terrible film. Take your families to the movies and have a good time.

[–]Americataimur12 19 points20 points  (18 children)

did take kashmir in 1947, nehru ran to UN after losing so much territory. 65 india crossed international border starting war otherwise conflict was restricted to disputed area kashmir and FAILED, despite having more tanks, soldiers, planes etc. it was akin to the Israel Arab six day war.

the only genuine chance Pakistan had was in 62, india had Zero chances of defending two fronts. Historic records show than paksitan was ready, but backed out after pressure from US not to assist communist china, also china-pak relations hadn't matured yet, and Pakistan was thoroughly in the US camp in the cold war.

from an unbiased perspective no regional power has been this impotent than india. Pakistan becoming a nuclear state says something about Pakistan, but a lot more about India.

[–]Froogler 18 points19 points  (2 children)

did take kashmir in 1947,

Pakistan took it from Hari Singh, not India.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hurr durr he was hindu king so he is India to us /s

[–]matisback 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why are you even bothering? Let them enjoy na.

[–]matisback 5 points6 points  (14 children)

So cute.

Please tell me more. What do they teach you about 1971 and 1999?

[–]Americataimur12 15 points16 points  (13 children)

facts are cute.

71 pak had no chance, due to basic geography. if balochistan was a part of india, india couldn't defend it either. bangladesh was worse. india funded an insurgency, encircled the territory, and then went in.

99 was just border clash and in the end status quo remained. It did show however that with Pakistan becoming nuclear, india now, unlike in 65, can not cross the international border. proved again in parliament and mumbai.

[–]refillit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

proved again in parliament and mumbai.

Going good, bud.

[–]matisback -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Facts aren't just cute they are awesome.

Too bad you don't know any.

[–]Americataimur12 10 points11 points  (2 children)

you really are indian.

[–]Baliqni 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Facts aren't just cute they are awesome.

So you are saying East Pakistan was not far away from West?

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 6 points7 points  (0 children)

please enlighten us

[–]alizcheema 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Kashmir is not an obsession for Pakistan. It is disputed territory. You have your claim, we have ours. I agree with you, we cannot take it by force of arms right now but you shouldn't accept us to give up on it altogether. I do believe Kashmir is worth more to us than it is to India.

[–]matisback 8 points9 points  (7 children)

What I heard. "Kashmir is worth more to us than Pakistan itself"

[–]haikubot-1911 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What I heard. "Kashmir

Is worth more to us than

Pakistan itself"

 

                  - matisback


I'm a bot made by /u/Eight1911. I detect haiku.

[–]matisback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Woah! Thanks Haikubot!!

[–]alizcheema 1 point2 points  (4 children)

That might actually be true. And from your point of view i can understand how incredibly stupid it might sound. But then, from your POV partition was stupid too.

As far as i understand, the call for the division of india was based on an idealogy. If a Pakistani isnt true to that idealogy today then he may as well say partition was a mistake (and some do); but if he is, he is tied to Kashmir in a way you probably wouldn't understand.

[–]matisback 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There is a small chance that the idealogy was false to begin with. The south Asian Muslim population is divided equally across 3 countries. That should give you a hint.

[–]alizcheema 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree. I actually think 'small chance' is an understatement. But, whats done is done this generation cannot undo it. So we close our minds, and hold onto what we are left with. Do you blame us for trying to avoid an exsistancial crisis?

[–]matisback 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. I see your point and am in agreement.

[–]Mushroomfry_throw [score hidden]  (0 children)

  1. No sensible Indian thinks partition was bad.

  2. If you are actually true to your idealogy you would take the 200 million muslims in India first before asking for a piece of land.

[–]raisedrss 2 points3 points  (9 children)

What I heard. "Since we don't have anything else to do, we will keep fighting for someone else's land."

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Someone else's land? Switch off the telie and open a book.

[–]raisedrss 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Yep, it IS someone else's land. It's not yours to claim in the first place.

[–]haikubot-1911 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yep, it IS someone

Else's land. It's not yours to

Claim in the first place.

 

                  - raisedrss


I'm a bot made by /u/Eight1911. I detect haiku.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks haiku bot! :)

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Spare me the opportunity to educate you. If do not believe Kashmir is disputed territory then theres really no argument to be had.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (3 children)

So, what part is disputed and what part isn't. Also, would you agree that you have no rights to Jammu? What about people displaced from their native lands in Srinagar, Anantnag etc.?

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its all yours. All of it. Happy? Have a good night and since it is independence week, happy independence from Farangi raj.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Happy independence week to you too, from India. You got independence one day earlier than us! Damn those Firangis!

[–]alizcheema 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They knew they couldnt leave us alone with you :D Jokes apart, we have more in common then differences. I hope we can learn to live together in peace and prosper.

[–]raisedrss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't get your hopes to high. China like Pakistan for now. But, they don't really have their horns locked against us in India. They'll fight for the chicken neck, that's all. We won't have lesser army in Kashmir or any vulnerabilities left for the Pakistan to take advantage of. So, I'll say keep dreaming.

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wo sar kalam kar denge us taraf aur hum is taraf.

[–]Haystack9 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Neutrality. Dokhlam won't be blown into an all out war, but just a standoff. So no biggie. China is more than capable of handling India alone in a limited (or a full on conflict). However if it blows in a full war, America will be drawn into it- and Pakistan will have to open another front on LoC.

The ultimate goals however for China would be to cut off the chickens neck, and pump the independence movements in Nagaland and Assam etc. The Indian troops there would be sitting ducks for China, and will be massacred. India's appeal of using Bangladesh land would be rejected. This is highly unlikely- but without a doubt this will be perfect for China.

[–]Americataimur12 3 points4 points  (7 children)

neutrality was our the mistake in 62.

[–]Haystack9 8 points9 points  (4 children)

We should avoid any war and focus on our own growth. India is massive and opening a front against India won't be easy. Pakistan and her armed forces are tailored for defensive warfare. India being 7x our size cannot think of reaching Islamabad. However we'll be blown out of the water if we attack first.

China and India will settle the differences today or tomorrow, and then India will come for us. It'll be stupid.

[–]India516fam 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Nothing will happen. China will posture to threaten us but they will not risk pulling off anything reckless outside of funding fringe insurgencies.

As for /u/taimur12, India is fast becoming the 2nd largest player in Asia today. Japan is a declining power whose economy we will overtake by 2030 and no other Asian country sans China will be able to provide opposition to us. So don't get any fanciful notions in your head about "taking Kashmir" or think for a moment anything of benefit to Pakistan will come from this.

[–]Haystack9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

War between two giants is never good. We all should avoid war. However if war blows into a full massive conflict. India should pray US hops in. If US ignores (which is impossible), and China convinces Pakistan to open a front- it would end unimaginably worse for India.

[–]Karachi KingsTotallyNotObsi -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You're deluded.

[–]India516fam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What am I deluded about? That Doklam won't lead to a war between China/India? That you will take Kashmir from us? That we won't be the 3rd largest economy by 2030 which most economists agree we will?

Which other country is there that can also stand up to China outside of us? Japan and SK are in bed with the US and the only other contender I could see is Indonesia. Everyone else is too weak or, like you people, in bed with China.

[–]panda_zen -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Pakistan was not prepared in 62. China didn't inform Pakistan in 62 too. Pakistan had mostly American hardware in 62. Americans would never like western hardware helping communist regimes. The US put sanction in 65 for use against India.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China requested Pakistan to join, but Ayub Khan's distrust of them kept Pakistan in the sidelines.

China was not a big player then and America would still support Pakistan to counter the Soviet influence in India.

[–]Halkat_Hitesh 5 points6 points  (8 children)

The ultimate goals however for China would be to cut off the chickens neck, and pump the independence...

This should warrant a nuclear response i guess.

[–]Americataimur12 5 points6 points  (1 child)

lol! no, nuke would be option if chinese were about to enter dehli. you really think if pakistan or india or china, took over some border territory the response should be suicide?

[–]Haystack9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nukes? No way. They'll legalise it by calling for a 'legitimate' independence movement. Nukes are only there for Delhi's survival. Nuking a country like China is no joke. China is massssssive. Nuking will ensure MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction).

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

China has more and higher yield nukes, India will become a wasteland if they used the bomb.

Also the diplomatic repurcussions are too high, if India does survive it will be an isolated outcast like N Korea.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

China has more and higher yield nukes,

On paper , these are technologies from the 50s-70s, its foolish to think a country with one of the largest nuclear programs in asia will have the same yield as it did in the 70s , hell india is said to have a mini-city sized factory in Karnataka to build nukes , just like how the Soviets did.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me you aren't serious

[–]refillit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kya baat hey! Aisa Analysis to maine kahin nahin dekha... Behtareen!

[–]matisback -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You'll need a new pair of pants.

[–]panda_zen 5 points6 points  (19 children)

It will be a temporary issue and both countries will delay the decision. It involves Bhutan, so India will not easily give up. If all out war breaks out, expect massive human casualties, likely nuclear exchange and direct involvement of the US. If China gets Indian ocean below India, it will be a nightmare for the US and Europe.

If Pakistan interferes, India will later pay back. Assassination of any pro-Chinese politicians, direct support to anti-Pakistan terrorist organization.

China is not stupid enough to involve Pakistan because India will likely join future disputes with any country against China. Pakistan is more kind of liability than an asset.

In any war, China won't get anything from attacking India. Occupying India will be harder and building supply lines will be expensive. And India using nuclear weapons is also another concern. China will lose a trading partner. US military base in northern India will also be a nightmare.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (18 children)

India can't even assassinate people like Hafiz Saeed and you are talking about politicians? And we are seeing the full support for anti-state terrorists already, they are getting destroyed.

Please stop this fake bravado.

[–]panda_zen 9 points10 points  (17 children)

Hafiz Saeed is golden egg laying hen !!

As long as he is alive, we can blame Pakistan a country which sponsors terrorism.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Ah yes claim incompetence as some kind of 4D chess, the dumbest argument you could make.

[–]panda_zen 5 points6 points  (10 children)

you got a fat old clerics and waste tax payer money on him and got India suspending all talks because of him. You can't really kill him unless you are ready to bury your own people, can you ?

Here, in India, we don't need to do anything other than telling you we don't negotiate with cowards.

Now you tell !!

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin -1 points0 points  (9 children)

That must be why India has been crying to the international community to take action against him.

In Pakistan he is a philanthropist and runs a large charity, this situation benefits us far more.

[–]panda_zen 7 points8 points  (8 children)

We ask the international community to not to treat you well.

May be you should phrase this sentence again, he is under house arrest. Either you are too retarded to arrest a philanthropist or idiot to call him a philanthropist.

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Ok then those efforts have utterly failed, nobody except Afghanistan treats us badly.

So what if he is under house arrest? Are you brain dead? he is not his charity and it can function well without him. The point is you missed your window and as a result his philanthropy benefited Pakistan far more than India's failed attempt at maligning Pakistan because of him

[–]panda_zen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

ok..congratulations for killing 100s of Indians !!

[–]Baliqni -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Emotional blackmail for someone who hates your country? Why?

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Your PM is a terrorist nevermind sponsoring.

[–]panda_zen 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Unfortunately, no one outside Pakistan agrees with you.

[–]Pakistanabdu1_ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Pretty much all Muslims of the subcontinent agrees with it.

[–]houdini317 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's a bit rich coming from Muslims now isn't it.

[–]Pakistanscoutnemesis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whats that supposed to mean

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I read somewhere that India has already backed out.

[–]PakistanTwpak[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

This HT article from 2 hours ago claims China says they are evacuating nearby villages. Although Indian army refutes it. Did not read anything about backing off anywhere. Source please if you have any.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-has-ordered-evacuation-of-frontier-sikkim-village-chinese-media/story-5PuluhPedwwUkVp1wmO2JJ.html

[–]InternationalJohn_Stalin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

China plans long in advance, I wouldn't be surprised if Kim Jong Un's nuke threat is just to distract the US while the PLA gears up.

[–]Pakistanlifeh2o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, only saw a headline 2 days ago. Can't find it now

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a precautionary measure in events of heavy shelling , india did the sane after the surgical strike hoping for the worst.

[–]Matrix_of_Truth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are 53 soldiers there , 400 went back after china pulled out and promised to destroy a section of the road . Likely they will stay there till china keeps its promise.

[–]Pakistan-AsadBajwa94 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There would be no clash. That would be really really stupid on India's part. Not downplaying India's military might but China is a whole another beast. China will crush any one, any thing, any ideology, (insert X) in its way towards glory

[–]HomesickProgrammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, and we are expecting Pak-India takra...

[–]United Statestalha-senpai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nukes will be used and we will all die.

[–]alizcheema -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All out war is unlikely. In case of a limited conflict Pakistan will have to put pressure on the LOC, keep those Indian divisions engaged.

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