Koltos Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 7:50 AM, El Dorado said: quick comparison of tree tesselation Reveal hidden contents I'm stress testing my gpu, everything set to ultra. In this scene, tree tesselation alone costs me 5 fps Expand In game world while wondering it even can't be possible to notice. I understand difference between volumetric on ultra but this... I would prefer 5 fps than this) LofSz 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLastJedi Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 1:16 AM, RedIndianRobin said: Yeah I noticed this too. Ground texture cascading turned to sh*t. I think this is the "downgrade" they did to improve performance. I mentioned this just after release, saying I hope Rstar don't just downgrade graphics to gain performance and got roasted by a few locals saying no Devs have ever or would ever do this! lol some people hey. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I can't confirm any downgrades, I set my stuff to what it was before and it looks the same. Including ground rendering. The patch has reverted some settings to Low for many so it's worth a check of all the settings again. Mored 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streifenkarl Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 11:32 AM, Spider-Vice said: I can't confirm any downgrades, I set my stuff to what it was before and it looks the same. Including ground rendering. The patch has reverted some settings to Low for many so it's worth a check of all the settings again. It's hard for me to tell. Restored my settings to my previous settings, but now i've noticed, how little chunks of grass or flowers are spawned in direct sight on the roads ltterally direct in front of the horse. Haven't noticed that in the 15 hours before, but maybe i was always focussed on the middle of the screen and not on the road texture ahead. Have increased the draw distance for vegetation because of that. Frames still are fine, so not a big deal. Mored 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mored Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 11:32 AM, Spider-Vice said: I can't confirm any downgrades, I set my stuff to what it was before and it looks the same. Including ground rendering. The patch has reverted some settings to Low for many so it's worth a check of all the settings again. Same as me, only thing I had to do was change graphics back to how they were before. Performance may be a bit worse but can't really tell as I use a controller. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedIndianRobin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) On 11/15/2019 at 11:32 AM, Spider-Vice said: I can't confirm any downgrades, I set my stuff to what it was before and it looks the same. Including ground rendering. The patch has reverted some settings to Low for many so it's worth a check of all the settings again. I reverted my settings exactly like pre-patch. The top layer of ground textures renders right in front of my face. It's exactly like that horrible shadow cascading in GTA V. EDIT: A good test for this would be to check the mud textures in Valentine. In other areas, it's not really that much visible. Edited November 15, 2019 by RedIndianRobin Streifenkarl 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streifenkarl Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 12:05 PM, RedIndianRobin said: I reverted my settings exactly like pre-patch. The top layer of ground textures renders right in front of my face. It's exactly like that horrible shadow cascading in GTA V. I take your word for it, haven't payed attention to this detail before the update. Reverted my settings as well, cause i wisely made some screenshots from the menu before the patch. RedIndianRobin 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangleWang Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It seems as though anisotropic filtering is broken with this new patch. Textures look muddy as heck. I tried changing from x16 x4 and off and there is no difference. Give it a shot and see for yourself. Tested in Valentine. TonySopranoM0B 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedIndianRobin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Game crashed again with ERROR_GFX_STATE message. I literally had no issues before this patch. Thanks for breaking my game Rockstar. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PumpkinBread Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) You have to manually change the settings back to what you had them at originally under the locked/unlocked section. Or change the graphic quality slider a few notches to re trigger those settings changing automatically when you change the top ones. - they stay at low when you change things back in the top section at first. Edited November 15, 2019 by PumpkinBread more clarity Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_ Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I don't have the weapons menu ( TAB ) after the patch, only Item menu is showing when press "TAB" !! , I can't aim or shoot , I do press L-click and R-click but nothing is happening , anyone have any idea what's going on ? A new game from the beginning does have the weapons menu and I can shoot normally !! I tried loading my current save after that and still don't have the menu nor can shoot , what kind of bad luck is this ? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLastJedi Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 11:32 AM, Spider-Vice said: I can't confirm any downgrades, I set my stuff to what it was before and it looks the same. Including ground rendering. The patch has reverted some settings to Low for many so it's worth a check of all the settings again. I've taken so many pics with my phone of all the settings and Ganges that I've got over 30 pics of RDR2 on my phone, lol I knew it would pay off as Rstar reset everything with this patch. I did have to update my driver to latest nvidia because I got less performance on 430.86 when set to my current settings before patch (and yes tree tests was off) and I'm now on DX12 because with Vulkan I'm getting dips below 60 at 1440p but DX12 is good now. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySopranoM0B Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Does anyone have more fps drop in towns with this patch? it doesn't matter what graphic settings i use it just cant maintain a stable 30 locked fps anymore Edited November 15, 2019 by ArthurMorganRDR LofSz 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLastJedi Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 7:59 AM, El Dorado said: two more comparisons, fps costs about 4,5, even 6 Reveal hidden contents it does look nice but if you want 5 fps on average and don't plan to closely look at tress, leave this off also I assume this scale with the global tesselation setting, it was on high question: before this patch tesselation on tress was always on? Expand I wouldn't mind the tress tests if not for the pop in, they change from non tessalation trees to tessalation trees about 5 meters from the player. I'm interested to know also what settings trees had before the patch. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor1990 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 game looks worse..and ground does too..its downgraded with this patch boomboom5950, TonySopranoM0B, 78 lil red express and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryspace Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 7:23 AM, Red Dead Rebel said: ? Have you seen the tesselated trees in RDR2? They have a much more complex geometry than the flat trees with the option turned off. I have not seen anything but the animated comparison earlier in this thread that I drew attention to. I said only what I said: That what is depicted in that animated comparison is not an example of working tessellation. I want people who look at that comparison and think "Meh...it doesn't look like tessellation is worth it" to understand that tessellation can be worth it--that proper tessellation noticeably improves the detail of objects. The tree in that comparison has zero geometrical detail added: It is the same tree, just slightly "beefier". It is an example of tessellation that is not working at all. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor1990 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:18 PM, Dryspace said: I have not seen anything but the animated comparison earlier in this thread that I drew attention to. I said only what I said: That what is depicted in that animated comparison is not an example of working tessellation. I want people who look at that comparison and think "Meh...it doesn't look like tessellation is worth it" to understand that tessellation can be worth it--that proper tessellation noticeably improves the detail of objects. The tree in that comparison has zero geometrical detail added: It is the same tree, just slightly "beefier". It is an example of tessellation that is not working at all. Expand its a console port its not pc...thats why the settings have no difference from ultra to high or to on off IM OFF! unistalled Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheDowngrade Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) I really don't see any downgrade to the details of ground textures, or any difference in how they load after the patch, and I am very keen on spotting differences. They still look just as muddy as before, to me, pun intended. I think it's an issue on your guys' end. Edited November 15, 2019 by UpTheDowngrade Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedIndianRobin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:04 PM, razor1990 said: game looks worse..and ground does too..its downgraded with this patch Ground texture cascading and long distance texture popins are definitely bad. On 11/15/2019 at 2:30 PM, UpTheDowngrade said: They still look just as muddy as before, to me. I think it's an issue on your guys' end. I am not talking about how they look. Of course they look crisp and muddy. The problem lies with cascading. Do you know what that means? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryspace Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:24 PM, razor1990 said: its a console port its not pc...thats why the settings have no difference from ultra to high or to on off IM OFF! unistalled Yes, everyone knows it's a console port. But people have said that other world objects do tessellate correctly, so it's apparently not the case that the tessellation option is simply a fake setting. (And yes--there is unfortunately such a thing as fake settings in today's ports) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheDowngrade Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Ground doesn't look crisp on high, but yeah I know what cascading is, but only in regards to shadows. I'm just not seeing any difference after the patch. Edited November 15, 2019 by UpTheDowngrade Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryspace Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:30 PM, RedIndianRobin said: The problem lies with cascading. Do you know what that means? I've never heard of cascading textures, which is what you have mentioned several times. Are you talking about cascading shadow maps? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor1990 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:33 PM, Dryspace said: Yes, everyone knows it's a console port. But people have said that other world objects do tessellate correctly, so it's apparently not the case that the tessellation option is simply a fake setting. (And yes--there is unfortunately such a thing as fake settings in today's ports) tbh look what they did on console they downgraded the graphics there and left it like that...now every update rockstar release it will bring more and more problems the best way is to wait for cracked working version but not on this patch coz it sucks..and leave it like that Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasd Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 why does this patch suck? i dont see anything diferent besides the tesslation option on trees, that we dont even know if was active by default before. there is nothing diferent with my game. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLastJedi Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Game does not even launch now, only change was win 10 updated last night! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheDowngrade Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:40 PM, wasd said: why does this patch suck? i dont see anything diferent besides the tesslation option on trees, that we dont even know if was active by default before. there is nothing diferent with my game. Read the patch notes. Stuff definitely changed. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasd Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:44 PM, UpTheDowngrade said: Read the patch notes. Stuff definitely changed. i read them but there is no mention of any downgrade on graphics neither do i see any downgrade Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheDowngrade Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:46 PM, wasd said: i read them but there is no mention of any downgrade on graphics neither do i see any downgrade I don't believe there is any visible downgrade with the patch either, but you didn't notice they fixed the issue where you often weren't able to select things in menus when using a mouse, for example? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor1990 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 game is downgraded..looks way worse on lower settings for example xbox one x settings...!!! if u say its not u didnt even play it with xbox one x settings On 11/15/2019 at 2:53 PM, UpTheDowngrade said: I don't believe there is any visible downgrade with the patch either, but you didn't notice they fixed the issue where you often weren't able to select things in menus when using a mouse, for example? its downgraded. and its gonna get downgraded way worse. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasd Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:53 PM, UpTheDowngrade said: I don't believe there is any visible downgrade with the patch either, but you didn't notice they fixed the issue where you often weren't able to select things in menus when using a mouse, for example? i wasnt saying that... i was just stating that cant see no visual downgrade, ye the menus work with mouse now. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/939611-new-rdr2-pc-patch-120769-114-13112019/?do=findComment&comment=1070974445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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