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Yeah I would also be worried that it happened again and that basically the same thing happened with the original victim. Like she initially said nothing because of familial pressure, who's to say it hasn't happened a second time and that he just got better at hiding it?

I feel like America getting so involved in another nation's affairs that they actively block said nation buying arms from other countries would be retaking the job America had previously that everyone kept saying was "imperialist". Namely, that of the World's Police. I def feel like ZEI squirrel and other anti-imperialism leftists would also be totally gung ho about the next step of invading Israel over their war crimes. They might even sign up for it.

I found this on a thread where they were talking about the Canadian government making plans to start suing individuals for speech purposes, (alongside the various other anti-privacy, speech changes) The EFF has already said Canada's path is very concerning to them.

They realize that the point of the "at first they came for the --" poem is that politically and socially unpopular groups get hit first, right? And that it could be easily used against them?

Unironically I think it's because he's publicly agreed with Trump on a few policies and is an open Israel ally.

This is my take. Too many people knee jerked on it being too different and altho it was a little too different to catch on well it wasn't like...the worst thing in the world. I can see why people really enjoyed it and I like it too.

Also when we had USAID, which simultaneously was not enough to give appreciation to the US but also now prevents hundreds of millions of people from dying in countries around the world.

Yeah that one is an extremely egregious statement people do not bring up enough.

It's apparently tied to a concept called "campism". Yeah, there are awful things done by the western governments in power, both currently and historically. Amends need to be made if historical wrongs were done and changes enacted to ensure it doesn't happen again. I still want to live here though, and I'm proud to be a citizen of the US. It's definitely preferable to states that execute or imprison you for years for just speaking out against their policy. (As bad as the US can be about free speech, for example, in Venezuela they have the Helicoide and La Tumba for "political prisoners" and sentence people to 10 years of prison for Whatsapp posts criticizing the socialist government.)

Tbf I'm pretty sure the economic system in place at the time was mercantilism; capitalism didn't really kick in until the later 1700's and 1800's. It used a similarish system but if we went by that standard then we'd need to apply similarly to communism.

I mean, whether or not it's Trump related it seems to be a problem with liberals. For example in the UK Redditors who would absolutely classify themselves as left wing or leftist completely dismissed a Dundee "low class" hoodlum white girl's reason for carrying weapons and just called her, basically, a racist slag who'd amount to nothing more than a drain on public resources and/or a spot in jail (she was 13). Months later she was vindicated when the courts convicted the guy who'd been following her that she carried the weapons to defend herself against. The classism and assumption that low class = uneducated = bigot also seems to have played a role in (middle class) social workers dismissing various grooming gang victims, already vulnerable due to prior circumstances.

I think it's been a thing since forever; I think George Orwell complained about it. There's always a lot of snooty champagne lib talk about how everything is actually a class war but they rarely ever genuinely support or understand those groups and their issues outside a very paternalist, "I know what's best for you, you're too stupid and easily lead to understand what's going on in front of you" way the way you kind of are doing now (no offense though, a lot of people don't notice it. I personally didn't notice how important just feeling safe was for lower class people myself, until I heard about it from my lower class friends, I just always took it for granted). That's literally the reasoning upper class people used to press down on the lower classes.

Edit: Okay, I'm back.

For exaaaample, here's Adam Smith who wrote "The Wealth of Nations" in 1920 1

“Though the interest of the labourer is strictly connected with that of society, [...] he is incapable either of comprehending that interest, or of comprehending its connection with his own. His condition leaves him no time to receive the necessary information, and his education and habits are commonly such as to render him unfit to judge even though he was fully informed.”

John Clayton "Friendly Advice to the Poor" 1755 1

The Poor refuse or neglect to help themselves, and thereby disable their Betters from effectually helping them. They have an abject Mind, which entails their Miseries upon them; a mean sordid spirit, which prevents all Attempts of bettering their Condition. They are so familiarized to Filth and Rags, as renders them in a Manner natural; and have so little Sense of Decency, as hardly to allow a Wish for it a Place in their Hearts.

That Orwell complaint I was talking about earlier: 1

I remember my sensations of horror on first attending an I.L.P. branch meeting in London. (It might have been rather different in the North, where the bourgeoisie are less thickly scattered.) Are these mingy little beasts, I thought, the champions of the working class? For every person there, male and female, bore the worst stigmata of sniffish middle-class superiority. If a real working man, a miner dirty from the pit, for instance, had suddenly walked into their midst, they would have been embarrassed, angry, and disgusted; some, I should think, would have fled holding their noses.

Do these quotes (not Orwell's) remind you of any 'current discourse' on Trump voters? People were arguing and fighting about this since almost the dawn of time, as noted by my first citation. "Literate", educated, worldly people who just Understood things better were upper class. The people who were stuck on their little spit of land and never moved out to the more diverse cities, who fought each other and dropped out early, took drugs and were kind of pathetic and manipulated and violent, were lower class.

Those poor, frothing masses who were easily lead by populists (hint) and honestly too stupid to even exist, were coarse and backwards and gross (hint) and all their hobbies are dumb and their beliefs are stupid (hint) except for the Good Poor who knew their place and helped the elites help them and understood that the best thing to do for societal advancement was give up on their selfish desires without question, bla bla bla I hope you get the idea.

Back in the day, these elites even admired freed black slaves because they were seen as more industrious than those lazy people who made all white people look bad.

Your original point was that he "brought an assault rifle" (false) to a "skateboard fight" implying the skateboard wasn't dangerous and deadly. If you're going to criticize the trial at least do it on the correct points. You give leftists a bad name, man.

To be clear every incident was classified as valid self defence. In the case of the skateboard, the other guy was holding the skateboard in the same way you would when using it as a blunt force weapon to smash it into his head, and bicep shooter guy had aimed his illegal weapon at RH first. You can die from blunt force trauma if a skateboard hits you, it's pretty heavy. Example 1 Example 2

Crazy that there are mao apologists itt...same people who dead ass ignore the extremely cruel purges in Cambodia.

It's definitely very easy to displace blame onto other groups rather than accept personal responsibility. It's "the capitalists", or "women" or "immigrants" or what have you. 

It's so crazy bc you will also see leftist academics simp for far right extremist governments literally committing genocide (bosnian genocide for one thing) if they feel it's anti-west enough. Maybe all genocides are bad?

I agree with you fwiw. 35 years is a long time, although I don't know if he would have remorse when it's over due to the way his supporters are responding. Generally I want younger kids convicted of crimes to be rehabilitated unless it's something legit awful like those teenagers who tortured an autistic boy or that high schooler who raped and choked a girl before getting away with it.

One communist party literally bashed infant's skulls against trees to kill them (Pol Pot) so I don't really believe them about that...

To be honest I do think he had good intentions but as we all know the road to hell is often paved with said good intentions (worker's rights for communism, for example). You can accept his faults while being understanding of what he tried to do.

I don't think it showed the ban post because I did it on mobile but here is them complaining about it in DMs.

They have been banned.

I mean yeah the reality is just that progressives are just as human and flawed (and therefore potentially bigoted) as everyone else is. They aren't automatically better just because they declare themselves progressives, just like Christians aren't automatically better just because they declare they're Christians. Same thing with progressive cause grifting, bad faith actors, etc etc. You have to walk the walk too. I'm also surprised that op sees it as bizzare, it's just human nature.

It's really insane how fast people turned on Contrapoints for her Israel takes. She's even been critical of the Israeli government and did call it a genocide, she just didn't like the lionization of Hamas it seemed...

Personally I think it depends on the iteration. 2012 and idw I would argue as being asian, they have the most asian influence and the 2012 show itself has a lot of asian characters, both as primary and side roles. 87, when Mikey transforms, looks white so that's probably what they generally would match with, and I think 2003 as well. Rise and MM I could see as being mixed or primarily African American.

I kind of prefer them futzing around in long overcoats and hats but I get the appeal.

Leo does have his own quirks from what I've seen, they're just more subtle. For example his eyes are narrower and more catlike than the other turtles, and he has white speckles all over his face that the others don't (if you check the scenes where he doesn't have a mask, you can see a massive one right on his eyelid). Raph has the most design differences compared to the others but everyone has their own style.

Yep, feels like the right sizes to me. Beanpole Donnie, average size/weight Leo, short/stocky Raph, slightly chubby/babyfaced and short Mikey. IDW Tmnt takes this route too from what I've seen.

I've seen they have an app that has regular sales. And there are places you can read it online. Just try to support the company when you can, that's what I'm doing at the moment haha.

Sadly, the only available Gemma versions in the AI studio are the 27 and 31B versions (both ones I looked into for my purposes but sadly not fit). But thank you for your feedback!

That's really interesting! I'm planning on installing a Gemma model into a 16GB AI accelerator for a project I'm working on. Sadly my at-home computer specs aren't the greatest VRAM wise (3070 TI and 3050 as an example) so I can't do direct comparisons for testing. I have Sillytavern and OpenRouter of course, but Openrouter doesn't have an available Gemma 4 E4B model I can test 'writing ability' on.

Could you tell me how the Gemma 3 12B and Gemma 4 E4B fare against each other in terms of creativity and personality in your opinion?

I liked this version of April. Definitely understand people not liking the puking scene though...

There's been a lot of other genuine arsons of churches especially after the treatment of Indian kids at Catholic schools came out. A few people were even egging it on, one of the biggest people being named in the wiki. Only a few people get caught sadly.

Just go with your heart, each turtle would probably have a different "story" to go with it as they navigate that particular pathway. Raph could be cool.

Tbh you can always kind of see it with how many leftwingers talk about the lower classes. It's very dismissive of their concerns, unless said lower class person agrees with them explicitly in everything they're called uneducated, stupid, bigoted. If they're white or male, their concerns are brushed over to focus on another identity group's issues. (For example, I've seen multiple reports about how white, working class young boys in Britain are falling behind at worse and worse rates as compared to other racial minority groups, but I've seen multiple people who identify as left give basically the same rhetoric about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps shit auth right likes to bring up. I think it's because they see privilege first, but I'm willing to hear out what a leftwinger has to say.)

Like libleft already eat each other even without the right wing's involvement, and the left prides itself on being "ontologically good" and "college educated" and more "worldly" than the other quadrants, and "oh if we only got into power the world would be so much better" like idk man. It's interesting because it's pretty similar to rhetoric upper class people used to use when referring to lower class people, just the whole, "we know more about what's better for you than you do".

As a side note, they also hate a lot of things lower class people tend to find comfort in, like religion or hobbies.

That's a dumb kid who needs to be taken to the side and talked to about sensitivity, not killed. 

Yeah, I think that's why nationalism was encouraged in the past. When people have something to believe in, they tend to be more willing to make personal sacrifices in service to those things. Which other people who don't believe in that thing see as cucked. Ha.

Maybe he can get a fan?

Eating each other.

If it helps, there are also some veils in Christian culture, they're usually worn in Church but there's no reason for you not to wear them more often I think:

Yeah I can definitely understand the argument for certain countries like America, Canada, Australia, Brazil--but not for explicitly European nations. Like there were some backwater villages that never saw a minority person in their lives.

People flip flop between China being communist when it makes them look good, and capitalist when it makes them look bad (state capitalists or w/e) 

It's unfortunate.

How fast did it run for you?

I mean...yeah, I guess. I would just have gotten the accessory pack though. Needing to go through that song and dance just for the extra heads/accessories for the 'mainline' set is crazy.

Ok that's excessively expensive wtf?

From what I remember a few year or so ago a bunch of gun rights protesters decided to gather in Virginia's capitol for a gun rally. Democrats and other liberals in power at the time kept talking about it being super far right and dangerous and fascist to the point of declaring a state of emergency but it all ended really quietly. After they protested they went home and apparently the area was pretty damn clean post-protest.

What other people have said, and also: Delay by 2-3 years, ideally 3-4 years. Make more of the turtles "normal" and a bit less hyper; Raph is carrying too much straight man weight. Understand that I'm probably not going to have a lot of seasons, so figure out a 3 season or 4 season arc. Introduce Casey sooner and maybe make her the chill one compared to April. Push for having full, 21 minute eps. Get better marketing and better looking toys, maybe outsource to Neca for a limited collectors run or something.

How does the e4b model compare to the 12b model? I really want to know...

I've repeatedly said this, but people on this subreddit downvote for the weirdest reasons sometimes. Don't let it get to you.

Ah, thank you.

Well, I'll be waiting lol.

Wait, I'm sorry, where is the typo? I don't see it.

Ah, oops...sorry about that lol. Well if you want to talk about her, what's her deal? How would she meet the tmnt?

Go for it if you want...what kind of oc did you have in mind? I assume you're a teenager.

Cute! It matches the cartoon style really well.

Link ...?

I feel magic usually trashes raw physical power, and they're acting as a team vs Invincible who acts as a single combatant. So, Rise?

It sort of has been. One guy kept trying to post nsfw political stuff and got mad when the mods removed it, saying this was proof the mods had become fascist. Also it ends up making for some bigass brawls in the comment sections.

It's definitely a weird thing I think is at least partially botted. ex: A lot of people gave upvotes for that one Chuck Norris memorial post, but in the comments was a lot of bitching. I saw my comment scores there bounce between positive and negative a few times, but really only my top-level ones. Other ones like when I was discussing the bot situation and political actors, or how it would be neat to have a CN and BL rematch, remain pretty highly upvoted.

To be honest I don't really care about my comment scores here, and I've been pretty open about it; People get downvoted for the weirdest stuff. I've said I liked Mutant Mayhem April and ended up going to -5 and one guy caught downvotes for posting a picture of his kid's chalk drawings of Leo on the reddit because someone said it looked like AI. Another young person keeps posting pictures of their genderbent art of the TMNT and it's cute but all of their encouragement gets downvoted and buried even if they clearly put effort and thought into the design. All this to say--it's weird, mang.

E: Yeah--to my point, two random people with +18 accounts and few posts in the tmnt subreddit just tried to complain about me hiding posts to keep my experience curated. Which is basically what the 'just let people enjoy things' crowd advocates 'haters' do. So, you know. Personally I'm going to trust that the 2.4k upvoted post here about pizza parties being more important than political affiliation are what the community overall believes than a few sillies making assumptions.

Isn't it already over?

Meh, mostly I'd either report the post if it's rulebreaking or hide it after rolling my eyes. No, I don't think the turtles would agree with something like "the only good Republican is a dead one" and my mind won't be changed on it.

There's just also been a lot of political actors and bots trying to sow division. Reddit's been infested with bots and such for a while; and "political" things undoubtedly get more attention and clicks than anything else as people who don't come to the sub normally flock in to give their hot takes.

E: Seethe about me all you want lol I'm just going to continue participating in this subreddit which has my actual interests while hiding posts I don't care to see. You can't get rid of me or the people who think like me. Who knows, the next person you upvote for their tmnt comment might even secretly be a chud oh no.

Crazy that you're being downvoted when you're objectively correct. The thing historians don't know about is if Jesus performed miracles and such, not that He actually existed.

Objectively Christians and other religions do a lot charity-wise. They run their own ambulance network to help get people to the hospital, (As does the Jewish population which is why it was a shock when two of their ambulances got burned down by antisemites)

63.2% of all food banks across 12 states are religious or run by local churchea. A large proportion of homeless shelters are run by religious charities, mostly Christian. 17% of all hospitals across the US are Catholic and were opened as a part of mission work. Catholics and other Christians offer free legal aid for immigrants. Religion and generosity tend to be linked. Extremely recently, a priest was fined 500k for trying to operate a soup kitchen. So yeah, most of the time their money is put where their mouth is.

Also Christianity isn't just in the Western countries, in other areas they've absolutely been oppressed. bombed and terrorized to hell. Remember that lady who got given refugee status because she was about to be executed for "blasphemy" in what was probably just a neighbor's dispute?

Leo generally...they usually focus on either him or Raph, and sadly the other two get sidelined a fair amount.

Also for some throat clearing I want to add that I don't agree with the red pill or just calling women bitches and removing their rights lol. I'm a lady myself, it would be counterproductive and imo red pill ideology and rhetoric is also doing a lot of damage to people's relationships with the opposite sex today. Just saying I don't think it is as simple as thinking the left (general) are the only ones  discussing male issues with nuance, empathy and tact.

Isn't that kind of the point? Even low level attempts to discuss men cause problems on the left because a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) feel like it's taking away from women's issues. It then potentially gets shut down, causing men to pull away from feminism and retreat to groups that promise to cater specifically to men. VAWA doesn't really call out female abusers and male victims, when people are trumpeting about suicide statistics they often talk explicitly about how women are harmed more than men even if the men are the ones who kill themselves.

Specific to the left, the "poisoned m&m" analogy is common online and offline. The jokes about how a bear would be safer than being with a man (a stranger? A friend? A family member?) That men are the cause of all the world's problems. That men's problems don't matter while women are oppressed and dying. You can say its online only but if there are no major avowedly left wing spaces that are willing to disavow and loudly criticize people who engage in that rhetoric, I don't think it makes a meaningful difference. Everyone is online these days. It's hard to just separate the offline world and the online world. Those people who act terribly towards men still exist in real life once they put the phone down and their beliefs color into how they interact with others.

I disagree. My meaning was that I think 12 Raph feels the full spectrum of emotions much higher than his brothers, but his anger is about the same level as his other heightend emotions. He never loses it to the point of severely hurting his siblings the way 07 or 03 Raph do; 07 and 03 obviously love their families but get out of control when they get angry, which is why I think their 'peak' of rage is higher.

Feeling 2007 or 2003. Both have them almost either kill or seriously hurt their brothers out of sheer rage. 2012 Raph is more 'emotional' imo; when he's scared, he's very scared, he gets panic attacks, when he's disgusted he looks like he's about to vomit, when he loves someone he loves strongly, when he thinks Mona betrays him he gets too depressed to fight, etc.

No we don't allow calls for violence on the sub. Big difference.

We don't allow things like helicopter jokes on this subreddit. Is this a legit viewpoint you have or are you being sarcastic?

That's me with my ex bf tbf (he's more liberal than me but won't shut up about politics even tho I told him repeatedly I don't want to hear about it and vaguely agree/don't wanna argue because all of it stresses me out) but even then I just shut up and nod my head while he yaps. So idk.

From what I've seen they are working on a "general amnesty" law which is pretty good.

I have eyes on this...I have the Neca 2012 Raph and want a certain kind of head lol

These were people I was friends with for ten years dude. I thought I knew them. I didn't meet them on Reddit, they were people I met through RP that I became friends with on a discord server. I knew they were progressive, one of them was trans, but I thought they were more chill than they were. I would have forced myself to look away if they were making dark jokes about Kirk. But they were mocking Robinson's father who was probably agonizing over turning his kid in and from all accounts wasn't some insane MAGA trumper. They were saying he should have been hidden away, that they would have helped him escape. That's what made me leave in the end.

It's crazy because my less leftist friends were totally understanding about why I had to confront my relationship with them and quietly dip, and other people were disturbed that insane politics brained losers were deranged to the point of spamming gore on a server with kids in it. But apparently you're cool with things like that?? and just call that people who are hurt and scared? So I guess you're just one of those people I'm complaining about.

When I see people on the left condemning the gloating posts--or, hell, I'll even settle for highly upvoted posts getting mad about the rash of antisemitic conspiracy theorizing that's been going on recently, like those dumb Bondi Beach Chabad claims, I'll acknowledge that. But for now, Reddit is the social media site with over 850 million monthly active users so just calling it "not accurate" isn't correct. These people do exist and are affected. You wouldn't give that grace to any other group you hate and you know it.

Oh well. I probably should have guessed you weren't going to argue well when you had absolutely nothing to say about my examples for r/ con going out of their way to be civil about people passing.

I don't like it, and personally RIP Muller, but honestly I'm going to understand why everyone stops giving grace and just start gravedancing. Just like with the cancel culture thing, the sowing and reaping meme feels super relevant.

E: Cool, and now some people set Jewish ambulances on fire and idiots are celebrating or calling it a Mossad op, fun.

It's cute, thanks for sharing.

I get that--but it was just too many changes piled on top of the other changes. Yeah the TMNT iterate through and change themselves based on the generation but it felt like it became unbalanced with everything added together.

I would just like to know how it's related to communism, I see a lot of reports that it isn't. Ha.

I will caution you to not equivocate too much...naziism by its stated goals is far worse (purging of undesirables) even if objectively speaking communism did kill and torture significantly more people. We only had one country become nazi, whereas multiple countries became communist.

That's why I did like the moments in the show where he did lose control and freak out hah.

Hi OP, how is this communism related?

E: Oh this is an old post...still.

Superfly was a very good villain, I hope they bring him back in other iterations.

Same, Rise Splinter is cool and different and I get why they did it but it overbalanced the comedic angle. If they had removed some of the other "changes" that Rise made or introduced them later--like the mystic powers thing or making Raph the leader or changing their weapons--it would have worked much better imo.

Tbh they're also in a lot of culturally powerful institutions with big megaphones. The heads of unions, major activists, scientists, social/government workers, judges and lawyers, journalists, TV writers, actors, etc. They could absolutely still drive policy and a lot of people had a kind of, "it's ok to push the boundaries of the law/ethics a bit as long as it supports my cause" feeling. (Same on the right ofc but they tended to be sequestered around different areas)

I really hate when people act like the left had zero power, because they definitely had power that they used and pushed.

I guess so, those people are crazy. They also think Catholics are devil worshippers somehow if we're talking about the same people.

I have honestly never seen this. In Catholicism at least. He is usually represented as whatever race or ethnicity is worshipping Him.

He's like Tolkein. Politics were way different back in the day so it's hard to fully map onto one (modern) political spectrum. Was He more leftish? I think you could argue that. But He also was extremely supportive of restricting your body's urges to get closer to God. On the farther end of anti-hedonism, I would say. A lot of the people who say, "this doesn't affect you, why do you care" would be affected by that haha.

I don't even support Trump, I do think most of the people here are working themselves into a frenzy over something that doesn't even matter. Did it matter when some conservatives celebrated Rev. Jesse Jackson dying even if he allegedly sexually harassed and was homophobic towards some guy? (They didn't really fwiw) Or how now Cesar Chavez, the major leftist figure who pushed forwards labor rights in farms, was probably a pedo whose buddies covered up for him?

Not really. Chuck Norris didn't do anything himself. At worst he backed bad candidates and had very right wing views. There are no controversies of him being abusive to anyone or hurting anyone. He was never drunk in a bar yelling slurs or hitting people for real. He's dead, his legacy as a meme is set, nobody's changing it one way or the other. We're all just shouting out into the void.

Objectively Chuck Norris will be remembered positively far longer than either you or I will be remembered at all. Chill out and have a pizza slice too, you probably need it.

Bots. Russian quite possibly. Most other places not on reddit are just sharing old Chuck Norris jokes.

Calling MM!April a bad April just because she's black is indeed a bit messed up lol.

I liked that she went back to the roots of what an April should be. Kind of a side character but very much emotional support and a grounding force for the boys. Either a big sister or somewhat motherly figure.

Ah, yes, person with, hm...12 posts now on this subreddit, 5 of them on this thread, you are very involved and definitely a font of knowledge on what goes on here.

This fandom honestly has more of a problem with incest shippers (not that I care tbh but objectively we have more incest shippers than any other fandoms) so.

I remember I explicitly caught a guy who'd done nothing but post "Fuck ICE" (but turtles!) on this sub by asking him his opinions on the current TMNT trends (Playmates losing their license for instance, the Last Ronin movie getting shelved)

Dude hemmed and hawed about how he definitely had opinions on this and had posted about them in this sub before but when I informed him that aside from those excessively aggressive posts he'd only talked on Batman and Robin subs months ago he stopped responding ha.

Also, downvotes don't matter, this sub is weird about them. I've been downvoted for saying Mutant Mayhem April is a pretty good April haha.

E: Wanted to make this even a bit more TMNT related.

Thanks, I hope you have a better afternoon than what you're currently having.

There's been quite a lot of evidence that Reddit is not only botted to fuck but has people explicitly looking for 'political' (not that this even is lol) posts who have never been to this sub before but come just to fight with the userbase. You can kind of see it when even subs about other countries have to contend with people arguing about purely American issues. So when I see someone on either side trying to stir up a culture war/ragebait I just block, report and move on with my day. It helps a fair amount haha.

Yeah I've seen a lot of terrible stuff in Canada. I definitely understand why a lot of Jewish people feel afraid right now, especially since there's been Jewish people who were actively killed over this conflict and people who were making excuses right after that happened. I've seen a lot of allegedly leftist people full on masking off over this and even talking about how some of the far right have a "point" about Jews. (yeesh)

Regarding the arsons sadly yeah that's to be expected. Thankfully people haven't been inside when they burned...it has completely destroyed several historic churches though.

I don't know what else I can do aside from speaking out if I see it really but I do support you guys and hope you can begin to feel safe again one day.

As a Catholic mildly libertarian-conservative I have seen a more aggressiveness towards religion going on in the world in general. In Canada for instance a bunch of churches got burned down and nobody really talked about it...

But I definitely feel like Jewish people get the brunt of this. I read that there was also a study in Britain right now that said like 1 out of every 5 college students would be uncomfortable rooming with a Jew right now. It might not help but I am sorry you unrelated guys are having to deal with all of this stress, especially since Israel/Palestine has already enacted a ceasefire so there's no real reason to keep fighting.

>I have spent thousands

No offense but jebus dude.

Yeah a lot of people act as if Christians are universally protected across the globe when it's really just in Western countries. Most other places they're treated kinda horribly.

To be fair, they tried to give him multiple chances to chill. But I don't think he really enjoyed the role either, that's why they also had the sound like Catrambone. 

Seth Green, despite his history, is a pretty professional va. And he apparently enjoys TMNT enough to keep coming back for it and voicing everything in comparison to Green.

You know when they get frothing at the mouth mad when people refer to them as "liberal" instead of leftist? That's why, I'd assume.

The guys who made an "autonomous zone" and ended up doming some poor teenagers before on video covering up the evidence...

It's great that you've changed your mind! Thanks for keeping it open. It definitely puts you above most people who are just very dogmatic and "FUCK RELIGION" even though it can encompass various types and not just Judeochristianity (including the fascinating Aboriginal Dreamtime).

As to your point, I would argue that there is a strong element pointing towards religion being used to help various causes as well and being named as that reason. Christian ethics and values tied strongly into Western culture today (even Dawkins the noted atheist has admitted he'd prefer to live in a 'culturally Christian' nation. Back when it was an unpopular take, some of the very first abolitionists were Quakers, an undeniably extreme/dogmatic take on Protestantism. Bibles were one of the first books to be distributed and printed, spurred on by a number of people becoming "more religious" and this increased the literacy rate.

Even today there are various churches, mosques, temples doing things like sponsoring refugees and migrants (Amash for instance talking about his sponsorship by a local church at length), running food drives or providing hospice care. All of that is for free/cheap and done on a regular enough basis that the average person isn't really aware of them. Religion provides a community, which in our increasingly atomized and lonely world is becoming more and more important as a "third space". For some local, indigenous religions they keep the person in touch with their culture or keep a close relationship with nature. There's some evidence that having a religion helps in various ways: Here is an article from NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) discussing the topic. Another from a meta-study observing positive effects of nonpsychotic religious beliefs. There's another one discussing how it helps people feel connected and 'purposeful' in an otherwise meaningless life. Religious people also tend to be more civically engaged. On a normative level, people like feeling that someone else is watching out for them and that it will support them when they fail. It's why I can't entirely get into certain religious games where the impetus is on how violent and nasty that religion is in its punishments, people usually join it because they believe that something out there will be better someday.

As I mentioned, I think religion is a really hard thing to just nix due to its inherent ties to humanity; as early as 8,000 BCE there were shrines set up to worship something. Your concerns are valid--there's a lot of people who will use religion like a cudgel or a cruelty and I would never deny that, it gets pretty bad...

But ultimately, I think that the reason behind discrimination is that people are just people. Going back to what I said about us being developed into social creatures. Our development primes us for social conflict. Us-vs-them. It's a fact that most of us apparently can only hold meaningful relationships with 150 people at a time, encouraging at least a mild form of tribalism. We also tend to form hierarchies and divide labor--if it's not class/money based it becomes popularity/clout based. It's a hard thing to fight against even if you are aware of it. Religion in this case might have developed naturally in order to provide a set of moral guidelines to restrict our more basic impulses by.

I think that if all religions were somehow detonated from the face of the earth, all religious artifacts somehow destroyed, every trace of it erased from our literature, songs, dances, buildings, artwork, culture, people would figure out some way to discriminate anyway. Like that one case about the Christian woman in Pakistan who nearly got executed, apparently a good chunk of it was just that the neighbors were feuding with her over some property damage. If everyone there was an atheist, do you think that her neighbors would just shrug and go "oh well, whatever" or would they scheme something else to try and hurt her?

Racism isn't the preserve of only "white" people. There are lots of minority groups that hate or have disdain for each other for various reasons. Hell it's even between people who would nominally be the "same race", like the conflict between Indians and Pakistani.

From what I'm aware of a part of that was the limitations of television cartoon cgi at the time. They tried to make 2 toes work but it didn't so they made 3 toes instead.

One page earlier is a cover drawn by Sophie, it's a TMNT fan comic. She has the boys + Alopex and an early version of Jennika. The Leo and Mikey face paint styles match the ones in the tcest art one page later.

....do you know what tmnt is about?

Oh yeah, tcest is a part of the fandom and always will be (there's apparently an Archie tmnt parody comic that was done by some retiring artists which has Mikey and Donnie making out...) but even if I'm ok with tcest as a fictional pairing I'm a bit gobsmacked that people are going "uhh what's wrong with it tho??" as if the main conceit and throughline through every single iteration isn't that they are all brothers who were raised together...

Uh, in this case it is incestuous, it's not just "icky" or homophobic. 

I like their art (although it doesn't give those massive actiony "I am a warrior" vibes too much, it more just looks very soft and cute) but it's absolutely incestuous and people can feel what they feel about that.

I'd want them to go after those guys who super recently tried to throw a nail bomb or two in the middle of a crowd...

Just some random but historically religion hasn't been the cause for most wars. Encyclopedia of War notes that of the over 2000 wars recorded in history, about 120~ were ever explicitly religious and this blogger gets down into the weeds to list them. It has also historically been a social unifier beyond tribal/national borders (some religions like Islam/Christianity/Buddhism at least nominally have a strong "we are all the same under God" theme that lead them to constantly try and spread the good word. They then support each other through charitable works and building of networked communities, which may have been the cause of certain people like Constantine finding Christianity and trying to both unify Europe and spread it)

If one was to assume that religion by it's very nature caused atrocities then conflicts which were inherently atheistic in nature like the French Reign of Terror or the Russian Revolution (both explicitly denouncing religion) would only be as violent as they needed to be and no more but they had some incredibly brutal war crimes. Women being raped, kids being tortured... they had basically all of the same hallmarks as a regular conflict, maybe in some ways even worse because people didn't see their enemies as anything but evil subhumans who basically chose to be that way so anything you did was justified. Sports fans duke it out violently in the streets and sabotage the other fans but we never associate a religious cause to it. I think it ultimately is more about your deeply held belief than anything else.

People say that religion is the cause for conflict but historically it's been just one of the many reasons. The impetus at most, and this is because humans back in the day had the same mentalities, urges, feelings we have now. Even in the most obvious example, the Crusades, the Crusaders didn't strictly go to fight the Infidels because they believed there was a holy war, there was also loot to be gained (they looted a few Christian cities along the way...) and a new land to explore. They could come back showered in glory and riches, and for a thirdborn Noble's son who was struggling to distinguish himself a good excuse to win respect. For peasants it was a chance to leave their current life, and humanity is well known for its wanderlust.

Humans are by nature social creatures. We developed a larger brain for nuance, to communicate complex intentions and language and work together to a degree that other animals can't. It's why concepts like gossip or rumor mongering are universal across the human experience, it's why we tend to self-segregate into groups which we feel we're similar to instead of just mingling in some amorphous blob (And in the link I'm referencing, the directors who noticed this once even changed an Orangutang extra to a Human extra; they stayed sitting with their Orangutang buddies for a while and after a day or so moved to eat with the other Human extras). Every single historic culture in the world has, given enough time, at one point or another, developed their own religion. So I think that having some sort of religion is a part of humanity. As some people have said it's a really brutal part sometimes but it's been interwoven into the overall "story" of humanity so tightly that it's hard to simply say "it's bad" despite all of these other people in the comments saying otherwise...

Some benefits of historic religion while I'm here: Most religions had a form of charity for the poor. Zakat for instance. Catholicism had numerous charitable aims in addition to its Jesuit preachers. The Sikh concept of "oneness". Lots of others but I want to save on space. Landed nobility and other wealthy individuals were often, if very religiously minded, driven to donate regularly to those causes, a sort of informal wealth spreading (and also to get legitimacy from the papacy). The concept of hospitals got its start in Ancient Greece, temples under the healer-god Asclepius where people could recover. Even further on, Roman Christianity developed hospitals, many of them having a section for "poor' people and several of them being founded by Saints. Buddhist monastic communities became centers of learning for medicine. Muslim communities mapped the body. Further, many beautiful cultural works were inspired by religions of all types.