I hate web "apps".

[TechLord]

Web "apps" need ten times the resources and load much slower to accomplish the same.

Web app = more like ass.

I despise web apps with their "oh-so-flashy" skeleton screens that exist just so soydevs can have a genital measurement competition.

[LoadingXML]

Web "apps" need ten times the resources

If you want to really confirm that, try to open whatsapp on your PC and start hearing the fans blowing like a turbine.

I have no idea what whatsapp does when it loads but I know it causes my PC fans to blow like i am running a fluid simulation.

[moeloli]

Web "apps" need ten times the resources and load much slower to accomplish the same.

Web app = more like ass.

I despise web apps with their "oh-so-flashy" skeleton screens that exist just so soydevs can have a genital measurement competition.

Don't worry bro, Web Assembly will come to save the day and usher in a new era of remote code execution in your browser in performant languages like Rust instead of slow and outdated JavaScript.
And then we'll have operating systems like ChromeOS connected to the Internet through 666G at all times (ID verification required) where you do everything on your browser through WASM web "apps".

[TechLord]

See also Progressive enhancement is still important § "App" is not an excuse.

[TechLord]

The only exception are websites which have interactive elements that simply do not work without JavaScript, such as OpenStreetMap, but even they should not waste any memory on useless bloat like skeleton screens.

Also, they should work in minimalist and old web browsers, not just on the Google-Mozilla "evergreen" browser duopoly.

I am glad this site uses phpBB. Discourse is soydev garbage that requires JavaScript and a recent browser (source).

Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.

With Discourse, you need a 400MB piece of software to post text on a message board.

[moeloli]

Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.

How is that excuse even supposed to make any sense? What the fuck does being "designed for the next 10 years of the Internet" mean and how does that require "high minimum browser requirements" (ie. a lot of bloat)?

[TechLord]

Discourse is designed for the next 10 years of the Internet, so the minimum browser requirements are high.

How is that excuse even supposed to make any sense? What the fuck does being "designed for the next 10 years of the Internet" mean and how does that require "high minimum browser requirements" (ie. a lot of bloat)?

Agreed.

There is no excuse to not allow at least posting plain text messages without JS.

[anonymous_]

Web apps are a cancer. Devs learn soyshit in dev academy/college/whateverthefuck.

However, real applications are not keeping up. As amazing as some 'real' alternatives are, they don't offer near the looks customization (at least easly) that webshit does. Nowadays, you can't even do shit without using webshit.

A great example, perhaps the best one, is banking. Can you bank without an app or website? Like actually move funds around?
Unless you call them or go in person, NO! YOU CAN'T!

Some banks have SMS banking still but it's few and far between.


Real applications better catch the fuck up, otherwise every 'app' in the future is just going to a 'container site' or is will be running electron.
The functionality will be there, but older computers will be forced out, 16gb of RAM will be "low", and you won't be able to do anything meaningful without.

There's some cool stuff out there like amazon shopping CLI and that one SSH coffee shop. We need more suckless shit like that.
There's also weboob, which appears to be nonfunctional european vaporware, but hey, it exists,

[anonymous_]

Also ban JavaScript completely, that would solve so many issues.