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何故、肉を食べるのが倫理的で無いのかな?命云々なら植物も生きてるし、苦痛云々なら植物も外傷に対する反応(補修プロセスを引き起こす内部反応など)をするからね。もし、肉は悪くて植物なら良いと定義するなら、植物に対して倫理的であるのかな?


Thank you for clarifying. I think I understand your point better now.

However, I still do not think this solves the central problem. If two people’s freedoms conflict, saying that “consent is required” does not tell us what should happen when consent cannot actually be obtained.

So consent alone cannot be the foundation. You still need a further principle to decide conflicts. Otherwise, the theory does not resolve moral conflict; it only names it.






Thanks, that’s helpful. The idea was mine, but I used Claude to translate and polish it because English isn’t my first language. I can see how that made it sound too polished or bot-like.

I notice the same thing even in my native language: Claude can sound a bit theatrical and almost too well-written, so the AI style becomes recognizable. I’ll keep it shorter next time, or mention that it was LLM-assisted.



This is a genuine attempt at the hard work of philosophy—reducing a sprawling field to a single load-bearing principle—and I respect that you committed to one foundation rather than hedging across several. Autonomy is a serious candidate; Kant and Mill both staked a great deal on it. But I want to press on three points, because I think the framework as stated cannot yet do the work you ask of it.

First, a single principle cannot adjudicate conflicts within itself. You say my choices are paramount "unless those choices impact on others, and restrict their choices." But nearly every choice restricts someone's choices in some degree. My choice to play music restricts your choice of silence; your choice of silence restricts my choice to play. When two autonomies collide, "autonomy" alone cannot say which one yields—because both sides are autonomy. Resolving this requires a second principle, above autonomy, that measures how much restriction is permissible. The moment you supply that (your speed-limit example quietly does), autonomy is no longer the sole foundation. It has a partner it hasn't named.

Second, "implicit consent" and "specific consent" are doing opposite jobs in the same essay. Mid-argument, you say acting on another without implicit consent is wrong—implicit meaning it can be presumed, not explicitly secured. But your conclusion demands specific consent for scraped data. These are different standards. The implicit standard permits most ordinary interaction; the specific standard forbids almost all of it. The entire weight of the conclusion rests on a switch from one to the other that is never argued for. Which is it?

Third—and this is the one I'd most want you to answer—the principle appears to condemn the very act of stating it. You argue that content taken and used without specific consent is inherently unethical. Yet you quote Einstein without his specific consent, and you post this on Reddit, in the same breath as declaring Reddit's content inherently unethical to use. By your own rule, this post is itself unethical. Either the rule is looser than stated (presumed/implicit consent suffices—in which case the AI conclusion collapses), or the rule is as strict as stated (and it forbids your own argument from being made). A principle that cannot license its own expression has a problem at the root, not at the edges.


This is a thoughtful and carefully constructed framework, and I find the Principle of Reciprocal Subjectivity genuinely compelling. But I want to press on one point that seems to me the load-bearing weakness. You propose four dimensions—Flourishing, Autonomy, Coherence, and Universality—and you acknowledge that no single value is absolute, that ethical reasoning "requires balancing competing values." My question is about that balancing itself: whose hand holds the scale? Consider a case your own framework makes possible. Suppose an action greatly increases the aggregate Flourishing of the many, but only by overriding the Universality condition for a few—that is, by doing something the affected minority could not reasonably accept. Your first dimension says yes; your fourth says no. The framework now contains a contradiction it cannot resolve from within, because the very thing that would resolve it—a meta-principle ranking the four—is precisely what the framework does not supply. "Balancing" is not an answer here. It is the name of the problem. To balance is already to have decided how much each dimension weighs, and that decision is made by some standard above the four. Either that higher standard exists—in which case it, not resonance, is your true foundation, and it should be stated—or it does not exist, in which case "balancing" is just a word draped over an unguided act of will. The four dimensions then function not as one integrated theory but as four co-equal authorities with no court above them to settle their disputes. So I'd put the question directly: when Flourishing and Universality collide, what adjudicates? If your answer names a fifth thing, that fifth thing is the real core of your ethics. If your answer is "judgment" or "context" or "wisdom," then the theory's real content lives in that judgment—and the four dimensions are description, not guidance. I ask this not to dismiss the project but because I think it is the question the framework most needs to survive.






普通に暮らしているだけで、良いことをしてるよ。 チョコを食べることで、お菓子屋さんの子供さんは学校に通えるし、牛肉を食べることで、牧場主は結婚式を挙げることができるよ。寄付をするのも良いけど、そのお金であなたのご両親や身近な友達にプレゼントを買うと、ご両親や身近な友達は幸せな気持ちになるし、プレゼントを売ったお店の売上が増えて、売り子さんのお給金があがるかもね。 あなたの悪はあなたから遠いところにいないかな?その悪を退治しに行くより身近な良いことをする方が良くないかな?


うーむ。 幻覚無し→同じ音:聴覚抑制 幻覚有り→同じ音:聴覚賦活 この整理であっているかな? この結果から、内言の外部認識へどう繋げるんだろう?大脳機能の差異は分かるが。 その当たりを記事は書いてくれないと何のための記事か分からんな。まさか試問のつもりかな?




この問題って訴訟対象を国とか公共団体にするから直接責任が希薄化するんじゃ無いかな? 賠償目当てなら支払余力の観点から公共団体にするべき何だろうけど、懲罰目的なら逆に国とか公共団体を免責して検事個人を訴訟対象にしたら直接責任が全面に出るんじゃないかな?あと、国に専門セクションをつくって国を免責する代わりに訴訟主体になる制度とかね。




問いが政治の話なのか議論の話なのか混じっているような気がするが、根底は議論の話なんだろうね。 議論が出来るってかなり高度な技術を要するよ。 議論の焦点把握、焦点分析、仮解設定、対解差分分析、差分からの仮解修正、再提示・・・ それが出来ない、もしくは訓練を受けてない人が集まると、そもそも議論にならないからね。 で、普通の晩ご飯の会話なら譲歩のし合いで何となく議論っぽく終われるが(それでも時々の罵声の応酬になるが)、政治はそうじゃないからね。









尊敬をすることと、尊敬していることを示すことは別のことだから、こう言えるかな。 尊敬をすることは、自分の中で自己がこうありたい/あるべきというような価値を認めること。 示すのは、その対象への直接的表現だけではなく、自分の内心で思うだけでも成立する。当然尊敬対象のように行動する/振る舞うとかも含まれる。 どうだろうか。


所謂、トロッコ問題に対してメタ視線での問いですね。つまり、設問自体を問うと言うことですね。 しかし、トロッコ問題の問いはシチュエーション(誰かを犠牲にして誰かを救う)は固定されている中での倫理的もしくは論理的振る舞いの妥当性を議論するものだから、あなたの問いは照射範囲が少し違うかなと思います。





I’m not from a Western country, and I was honestly surprised to learn that there is a culture of private sting operations carried out in the name of justice, sometimes even for profit or entertainment. This discussion helped me understand why Kant formulated the categorical imperative, and especially why he insisted that we must not treat others merely as means. I had understood that idea only abstractly before, but seeing this kind of cultural context made it much clearer. Thank you to the OP and everyone in the thread. Even when the target is morally guilty, turning that person into content may itself require moral scrutiny.


私は欧米圏の人間ではないけど、収益のために正義を唱えて私人による囮調査みたいなことをする文化があることを知ってビックリした。なぜ、カントが定言命法を考え、他者を手段化するなといったのか分かった。今まで感覚的に何故言うのが分からなかったんだが、このような文化的背景があるなら分かった。投稿者を含めて、みんなありがとう。



I agree that defining time through motion may raise Zeno-like problems. But my main point is prior to that: the argument cannot proceed unless we first clarify what “time” means. If time is treated as an independent container, the argument goes one way. If time is understood as an ordering or measure of physical processes, then “the beginning of time” does not necessarily mean a change from timelessness to time within some prior time. So I think the issue is not solved by saying “change presupposes time”; we first need to clarify the concept of time being used.


これは、時間とは何かと言う定義を共有しないと議論として成立しないと思う。 例えば時間を全ての物質(素粒子レベルで)の運動の連続と定義したなら、時間が無い(意味を喪失する)状態は、全運動の停止となるので、運動開始時点を時間の始まりと言うことは可能となる。


ふむ。合意の対象の資源の定義によるでしょうね。共同で手に入れた資源xに特定資源yが含まれるなら合意が優先されるだろうし、含まれないなら発見者が優先されるかな。



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難しいね。目で見るのと写真を撮るのは情報入手と言うプロセスに差異は無い。しかし、情報の劣化耐性と移転可用性は格段に違うからね。法的には肖像権の話に接続するから難しくなるね。もし自身の絵画の参考にするのならラフスケッチに留めるのが良いような気がする。小さなスケッチ帳とスケッチ用の鉛筆(専門用語が分からない)を常備しておくのはどうだろう。何となくクリエイターの鑑みたいに感じるね。




ふむ。目的(希求)と責任(義務)が整理されていないように思う。目的が外部干渉無しの匿名性であれば、そのシステム内で何があっても干渉するべきでないし、外部干渉前提の匿名性であれば、加害的な発言制限をしても問題ない。それは始めに定義されるべきで、定義不十分があなたの問の背骨のように思う。















ヴィトゲンシュタインの事態について
ヴィトゲンシュタインの事態について

ヴィトゲンシュタインの事態について、事実は成立している事態とあり、諸対象の結合を事態と言っている。そうすると事態の記述である命題としての「石が机の上にある」は本当に机の上に石があれば事実として成立し、なければ事態に留まると言うことになる。では、「IPUが目の前にいる」と言う命題は事実でないことは明らかだが、事態には留まり得るのであろうか?