Comments for "Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight review"

Hmmmm!

expected a 5 tbh

A WIFE!?

No thanks.

If your going to make a sequel to game you can't just ditch every game mechanic that came before it and call it a sequel.

No offline mode, no sale.

Ouch?

they better pray that blizzard take a long time to finish starcraft 2...

If you want a fast paced, unintimidating multiplayer it could be worth a look in. As they removed perma-death from multiplayer and just replaced it with a 10 seconds respawn it really is more fun and open and I can see a lot of people who don't like RTS online to quite enjoy it. But if the tone of the game is lost and the single player is just a grinding tutorial then I can't really see myself finding anything to get me hooked in the first place. The online beta was fun, but the comments about having half the game locked away after you complete the game sounds like a slap in the face.

Hmm, seems like it's following in Supcom 2's footsteps of chucking out the rulebook and not really succeeding in writing a new one (albeit, this is more drastic).

The sad thing is, poor sales of titles such as this and Supcom 2 are likely not to result in 'oh well, let's go back to what people like and expect', but more 'we'll not be making any RTS games in future'.

For some reason I never expected this to go well. It seems like time has moved beyond C&C, even if I did find RA3 quite fun. The DRM is the final nail in the coffin for me; I'm actually glad the game is mediocre so I wouldn't even be tempted to try it.

Also, kudos to EG for churning out multiple reviews so quickly.

I'll be grabbing the offline crack and grabbing a throwaway second hand copy off someone (I expect they'll be worthless second hand due to accounts being tied to the game, so I should get it for free, bonus.) in order to play the campaign. Then ditching it.

Bah! I rather liked C&C3, even the expansion. Played most of the games (think there was an FPS at one point that I missed) in the C&C series and was looking forward to a new campaign.

Though shalt not give lead designer jobs to interns!

But then I read about the DRM. I refuse to pay for a game that will only work as long as EA's servers are there.

Missed that. Double ouch, then. It's the reason I won't buy AssCreed 2 for PC. Ubisoft already made it clear they don't want to hear consumers. It's always been about pacifying shareholders and preventing their games from entering the second hand market (far more damaging than piracy, actually). Was curious to see how C&C4 would hold up but if the "attacks" on Ubi's servers are any indication, companies still need to provide better infrastructures and reasons to invest in this kind of thing.

Besides, EA has already shut off servers for a great deal of games. What happens when they shut off C&C4's? No brainer, as they say.

It definitely saddens me, but this franchise has run its course. Red Alert 2 was the last game I really enjoyed

Chudders wrote:The sad thing is, poor sales of titles such as this and Supcom 2 are likely not to result in 'oh well, let's go back to what people like and expect', but more 'we'll not be making any RTS games in future'

Yup and it's a shame but i won't buy poor games in the hope that the devs will wake-up and do it properly next time.

Wasn't this meant to be the last C&C outing for a while?

Sad. Quite sad.

Get me McNeil!

noooooo...... stupid DRM...

eeek no base building! Unthinkable!

Oh dear, what a shame. C&C in all its naffness, is a cherished part of my personal gaming heritage, and it's very sad to see it brought so low.

I was in the beta for this, and didn't enjoy the game at all. The multiplayer features felt thrust upon me, not sure if the final game has more options, but it seemed everything had to be done with multiple players. The gameplay mechanics didn't feel at all like Command & Conquer and it just generally wasn't much fun.

Looks like YouTube videos and wikipedia then to find out about how the story doesn't really end good enough, time to download that CnC freeware they release as that sounds better value for time n money

I had absolutely no idea this would be released already. Had a vague idea of C&C4 being in development, that's all. I am either totally out of the loop, or their marketing is a failure. :)

Considering the site design ad just went kaput with this review turning up, I can't blame you for not noticing.

PR has been very lax on this though.

Sounds a bit like Z to me...

It all went a bit downhill after Red Alert 1 tbh. Generals was good with it's choice of land, air tank, etc, but then again still pretty dull all in all.

If they'd simply modded C&C3 with new units, I would have bought it, thats how much I love the old C&C gameplay.

If they allowed offline play I might have gotten it in a few months for a cheaper price, done the campaign, cheated for the decent units, and then forgot about / sold it.

As it is, with absolutely no interest in online play, I'll watch the cutscenes on youtube for the story, and not bother with the actual game at all.

I hated it the first time I fired up the beta of this but the game kind of grows on you. Which might be bad in some way, come to think of it.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised that Blizzard would do something similar with 'constantly online' mode thingy with Starcraft 2 and battle.net

A bit more FMV might have sold me this.... err actually no it wouldnt. I had enough with the first installment.

I enjoyed the C&C3 demo but never bought it because my PC was too weak at that point. The last C&C I really enjoyed was in fact Generals - even though (or maybe because) it had nothing to do with C&C at all. I didn't pour as many hours in that game as I did with other RTS games but I certainly had a good two weeks of fun with it.

is there any fit ladies in the cgi scenes with this game?

does this game even have any good gameplay? id expect the answer is no to both....man c+c hasnt been good since tiberium.

just quit it EA ffs!

I enjoyed C&C3 on the PC, not so much on the 360 and Red Alert 3 was a mess on the 360...forced to play co-op with AI or friend on campaign, no thanks!

This doesn't look like the swansong I'd hoped for from the Tiberium saga. I have to agree with the earlier poster and say Red Alert 2 was the peak of C&C.

Oh, and of course insert the obligatory DRM rant here. I see the publishers are being slow to react to the utter fail that is persistent online DRM...probably some idiot signed a fixed length minimum contract for it's usage...

As soon as I saw there was no base builiding I already knew the game wouldn't work. Simple reason is that with 3 'big names' other then C&C in the RTS works this year I think EA tried to see what is selling atm and clone that.

Looking at Relic's sales of DoWII, it's resonable to sence that EA wanted to capitalise on the DoWII 'idea' but simple fact is that DoWII 'works' uniquely because thats closer to what the Warhammer fanbase play with the tabletop version - it was basically made for the fanbase.

A huge clue would be that most of the RTS playerbase didn't take to the lack of basebuilding at all in DoWII but then may have considered the reasoning behind it - Warhammer is ment to be more about the smaller skermish units then bases, the reserse of what most RTS players wanted and completly againest what C&C was, which was armies going to war, hence the reason why DoWII had the 'RPG' feel to it, again thats more in line to what actally Warhammer can play like (certain versions of campain in the tabletop start off with small units then 'upgrade' over time).

I'm really dissapointed that the whole Tiberian saga may indeed go out on a low note, couped with the stupid DRM methord even tho i'm always online theres no way of assuimng EA's end will be - I'm just going to keep with SC2 and DoW as at least both of those are at least clear cut in how they play and not trying to cashgrab a 'trend'.

Well, EA have broken C&C. The steady decline of this RTS giant is nearly over. Please let this be the last C&C, please.

Adam T don't compare this to Z.

Z was awesome and each level was designed perfectly.

Remember Command & Conquer Generals..? Now that was a great game, Red alert 2 and Yuris revenge..? shame on you! Is it just me or have they just ruined this C&C franchise..? Strong words but I haven’t bought a C&C game since generals. I don't like the direction of the sci-fi element, i think other games offer more depth (the feckin excellent Company of Heroes to name but one) and I think peeps have just grown bored of iterations of no innovation. As a long term fan am disappointed. Yuri and the boys would be turning in their grave!

Tbh lost interest in C&C a long time ago. I played the most recent one released through XBLA mostly for form's sake (and to see what they'd been up to), but most of the last ten years' evolution of gaming seems to have passed them by.... still long tutorials, imperfect balancing, overly garish units, mission-based architecture... it was like playing sub-WC3 RTS again.

Needless to say glad to see my suspicions confirmed, won't be spending money on this, tho Starcraft 2 is looking quite tasty.

I was really fond of Generals as well. So much so that C&C3 just seemed a bit dull after it. This just seems horrific though. A random game with the C&C name slapped onto it.

As for the DRM, good luck with that EA, nice to see you haven't gone totally to the Light Side, I was starting to get worried about your lack of evil ways.

I'm divided, the DRM itself doesn't bother me too much (probally should but doesn't) as long as it doesn't interfere with play. My main concern is the change of gameplay and the story comments don't bode well and what happened to the scrin? I'm starting to be pleased that EA haven't replied to my constant emails requests

Ouch...

Guess I'll pick up DoW2: Chaos Rising instead.

You know its bad when a game with the heritage and history of the C&C series is concluded on a single page review..

Tis a sad end :(

is it just me or does the game look horrible?

Brilliant, it sounds awful :D

What a waste of a great franchise, thrown down the toilet with some bad ideas and draconian DRM.

No doubt the pirates will find some way around the protection and be able to play it at their leisure.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I guess my real curiosity is, why do they immediately claim that this game looks like Starcraft? I mean...eh? They both look like modern RTSes, really.

On the other hand, this DRM is obnoxious, and I wish I'd seen that it was somewhere before I pre-ordered(mind you with a bazillion dollars in instore credit, and not actual money) it, since I kinda liked the tactical implications of a crawler, and if I really wanted to play a base building RTS, there are tons to pick from that I already own. So, something different.

I'm also still amused at the people on all the forums who actually believe they'll release an offline patch when they shut down the servers.

Sure.

When EA are laying off the dev team after the game comes out.

Dream on.

@chudders

"The sad thing is, poor sales of titles such as this and Supcom 2 are likely not to result in 'oh well, let's go back to what people like and expect', but more 'we'll not be making any RTS games in future'. "

True, but the best you can do is buy the good RTS left - Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising is a really good one for example, Starcraft 2 looks like it can rightfully bear the name.

I have seen a few people talk about the steady decline of the franchise... I don’t know about you but I fairly enjoyed the last C&C. I’ve not really been too attracted to the franchise or really any RTS outside of the Total War series after first Red Alert (with the exception of Homeworld 1 - 2). It seemed that they had recaptured what was good and built upon it with C&C 3. C&C 4 just seems as people have said, a simple cash generating exercise that never pulled off and has left the C&C series dyeing badly, so blame EA for this one (might be talking a bit prematurely on the sales but I would imagine they would be less that stellar).

You have to wonder though, why are all the game testers for EA so scared to tell the designers “well this game works well, on a technical level. But really it is kinda shit...”. But hey, money talks, but will EA ever listen? ‘It was not the rubbish game that accounted for the lack of sales, it’s the DRM getting hacked that done it’.

You would think though that if they were going to introduce a draconian form of DRM that they would at least introduce a very good game on it? It seems as though they either know people are not going to like it so are releasing it on sub-par games. Or that they generally don’t know what is and what is not a good game.

I could go on forever about corporate BS, but I won’t. So for now all I will say is that this has yet again put me off the old school RTS franchise that I was reared up on.

Peace and harmony amongst all human kind.

The whole charm of C&C3 and to a lesser extent Red Alert 3 (only couple i've played) for me was the base building and tech trees. Seeing as I wasn't a big player of RTS games before this generation of gaming (platformer/adventurer man myself and that's kinda on life support aswell!) seems as though I got into RTS games to late...

Though honestly how many genres of games are we going to sacrifice for the action/fps nut?

Oh and just putting it out there, although it might also make me a bit of a hypocrite... I absolutely love Final Fantasy XIII!

The description of the walker producing all your units sounded like an attempt to copy the HomeWorld Mothership idea but on the ground... how do you mess up with that classic as a reference point?!

I can't hepl but wonder who is making the decisions at EA these days. What happened to the comittment to quality and the 80% average score?

7.0 in Gamespot... boy that's bad. Being a old time fan of the command & conquer series I'll play it anyway.

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i preordered this game without really reading reviews or watching gameplay vids, because the c&c name has never let me down. that was a pretty big mistake. i thought about taking it back to gamestop and telling them the disc was defective then taking the unopened copy to an out of town store, but na i'll just take it as a lesson learned and not buy anymore games from ea. if nothing else it can be used as micro training. i'm also going to have to buy another game to get the bitter taste of this one out of my mouth.

this is not your traditional RTS, but it is certainly your conventional GAY.

It seems with a lot of games getting this on line DMR the only option left for people with out a good connection is to pirate

As I played, the systematics of the game itself was/were so bad that I was obsessed with only one thing: clawing my way to the end to see the next Nod-campaign cutscene with Joe Kucan. His acting is as SUPERB as ever, and now my "excitement" switches to those hints he gave that he's had movie/studio offers to play villains, or what have you. Seriously, he is one of the best talents in Hollywood (or at least, the region that includes Hollywood).

I have not played the GDI campaign, and I probably won't. To me, the Nod path is canon...even if it answered absolutely none of the questions is promised to, save one: Kane is not human, and never was. To any claims of "No DUH," it wasn't clear if he had become more than, or started that way. Now it's clear: when he "found us," "we" were living in mud huts scratching our way out of hunter/gatherer existence, and into agriculture. Other than that, nothing...but at least there IS that.

Am I a Nod FANATIC, for being pleased with even that minor scrap of plot/lore? I suppose so. EA and C&C are dead to me, with this farce. But KANE...LIVES. ON.

played c&c since day one

fan of westwood since dune 2

what a sad way to go...

people listne up I made the BIG mistake pre-ordering this game as I tought it would be like C&C 3.

After RA3 I already was very disapointed because of the bad graphics but I really have no words for this game (not in a good way)

You don't get to build a base.. you can only have like 15 units max.. AND you have to unlock EVERYTHING!

I am an casual gamer and like to play 2/4 hours a week but it is already very clear that you won't gain units within a nice period of time.

It might be ok for the hardcore gamer but the more casual it really sucks. I hope to unlock my tier 2 units this week. but up till now this game is a real disappointment to me

Who's idea was it to remove base building? The idea itself is stupid enough, but the other people in the meeting who went "hmmm, good idea" are fucking retards.

Awefull Awefull game.....

I loved C&C 3, i wasted so many hours playing it, I hate EA has litterately stripped all the gameplay, and fun, of C&C and replaysed it with shit that consumers just should be happy with!

Starcraft 2 always had to make updates when I wanted to play it and so I would play a other game, C&C 4 WILL NOT BE DIFFERENT!

I agree that with just giving C&C 3 new units and a new campainge ect. it would be rad!