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Many 'teens act like all are trannies are the same. This couldn't be further from the truth.
>Why does this matter?
Telling a tranny that he or she will ywnbaw/ywnbam or to ack is a good start, but over time with continued use, these terms lose their bite. Unbeknownst to many, there is a lot of discourse and division within the "trans community". This is important because to a lot of trannies, especially the usual targets, they're on that end where that idea of "community" is very important.
>How is this useful?
Exploiting that "space" is key to messing with trannies more intimately. This isn't too hard, you just need to understand a few dynamics within the broader "trans community".
>Such as?
It depends on the character, but the homogenisation of 4tran/tttt culture with reddit makes this a lot of easier. There are essentially two camps within that "space".
>Tucute/Social Model of Trannyism
This idea posits that "gender" is a social construct, and that anyone can self identify as transgender. The implications for this also mean that what it means to be a man or a woman is defined differently. This is why a lot of trannies you might encounter act as if they're as real a woman as a biological woman, or vice versa with pooners.
>Transmedicalism/Medical Model of Trannyism
This idea argues the opposite, that being a tranny is a medical issue, be it mental illness, intersex, whatever. Trannies in this camp don't necessarily believe in the radical notions of social construction, or stuff like that, but some do. Many within that particular group also believe in medical gatekeeping.
>Medical gatekeeping?
In places like the United States, Canada, Australia, and some European countries, medical transition (starting hormones) is as easy as seeing a doctor and signing a piece of paper. This is called the informed consent model. This is another big reason why you see so many trannies as well, it's quite easy and in many cases publicly subsidised through public health systems. This is a fairly new model, or at least a model that evolved from a more trust based system. It outsources the question of whether or not you fit the diagnostics for being a tranny to the individual, and not the medical system.
In a lot of older systems, and in a lot of European countries, the process of getting access to those hormones is a lot more difficult, and hinges on psychological evaluations, documented gender dysphoria etc. A lot of trannies hate this for obvious reasons, especially the aforementioned so-called "tucutes".
This is where the idea of "DIY" comes in. Even in places where access to hormones as an adult is quite easy, the idea of buying grey market hormones and doing it separately from the medical system persists. This is for a number of reasons, mainly ideological and anarchist/antistatist rhetoric. The problem with that is that it allows a gateway to buying hormones without any kind of oversight, which means children can get access to these medications. This grey market enables a lot of the grooming you see where adults try and get hormones for children. Getting crypto is fairly straightforward, moving around crypto is fairly straightforward. The worst part is that a lot of these groomers will go so far as to give crypto to children or assist directly in buying these hormones for children. Trannies justify this by mourning that they never had access to hormones as a child, which they believe would make them pass better and not experience a lot of the puberty of their birth. (cont.)
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>Where are you going with this?
I'd like to introduce you to Dr. Ray Blanchard, one of, if not the leading figures in modern transgender/transsexual research. His seminal work, 'The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria'. Autogynephilia, or AGP, is a paraphilia in which involves a man who is sexually aroused to the idea of himself as a woman. This isn't the only form of transsexualism however, in other works in more detail, Dr. Blanchard delves into homosexual transsexualism, or HSTS, which is essentially a homosexual male with a more direct and consistent relationship with femininity throughout his life. This form of transsexualism is more consistent with the classical narrative of transsexuals.
>Words words words
Understand it like this, trannies who are attracted to other trannies (so-called transbians), females, or otherwise have a fetishistic relationship with femininity firmly fit in the AGP category. These are by far the most common trannies you see normally. That's why a lot of trannies try to use EPI to groom children, to complete the cycle. But autogynephilia, like any paraphilia, can be developed through consistent consumption of pornography, that's why the relationship between "sissies" and trannies is so direct. Also another good reason to never goon. As mentioned though, not all trannies are like that, some have a more consistent relationship with femininity and attraction to men. However in an age with this excessive grooming, a lot of parents mistake children being children for something deeper than it is, so even that is hard to track, but that does exist. You'll notice as well that this AGP/HSTS split coincides with many of the broader points of discourse within the "trans community", such as the ones previously touched upon.
>What does that leave us?
I didn't intend to go into that much detail. The point is that "trannies" aren't really a collective group in the way many 'teens envisage. However you feel about those distinctions, it's important to understand some of the overarching discourse within the "trans community". This is by no means comprehensive, there's a lot more to these concepts, the goal of this thread is more so a broad introduction to a lot of the discourse. You're bound to get more gegbulls if you target trannies more directly. So-called "TERFs" have recognised this fact, that's why you see a lot of them using these kinds of terms to target trannies. However you feel about TERFs, that group tends to cause the most overall leakage with trannies. The irony being that a lot of them, for example JK Rowling, is a radical leftist and supports many of the underlying worldview of trannies, and they're obsessed with her. Know your enemy.
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I personally think we should medically gatekeep and essentially erase AGP. You should only be able to get a transition if you actually have gender dysphoria.
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>>16580662No, stop making fun of valid trans sisters and brothers
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>Wiretapping and setting cameras on private property are legally and ethically wrong because they severely violate personal privacy, destroy trust, and constitute serious crimes.
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>>16580492 (OP)I've noticed that a huge point of insecurity of trannies is not being 'truly' trans. Why do they even have this framework? It's because trannies see transsexuality as an IDENTITY rather than a behaviour.
>marge why point out the difference between identity and behaviour?Because trannies and western society in general see identity as sacred. Identity is something you conform your life around, not the other way around. Behaviour is seen as a tool to get something. Nobody has the identity of a tooth-brusher, they just brush their teeth so that they don't get cavities. It's not that in their 'soul' they are 'truly' a tooth-brusher. We can see this attitude in common sayings like 'follow your dreams' or 'Listen to your heart' or 'Live your truth.'
Individualism is fundamentally built upon doing what YOU want to do, and how do most people decide that? Their feelings. The problem is that 'feelings' is a vague category. The average person doesn't know which feelings are important, or even why they have those feelings. The average person spends most of their time being their emotions instead of being aware of their emotions as a separate entity.
This is where trannies come in. The argument of trannies is that they simply 'are this way'. It's their 'identity.' They were destined to be 'women'. They 'truly' have the 'soul' of an anime girl. They never chose it, they just FELT it, so why shame them? And how do they justify this premise of having a trans identity? There's no evidence showing that people are born trannies, so they compare their anecdotal experience to people who are 'real trannies' in a circular fashion, and they extrapolate their feeling of wanting to be a girl as being their destiny.
This is why trannies are so stereotypical. A large part of their legitimacy for being trans comes from sharing experiences of 'real trans' people. They're trans because some other tranny also wore makeup when he was a caca. Diagnosis for being a tranny becomes extremely symptoms-focused, which is retarded because caca you could have worn makeup for a thrembillion different plausible reasons. But the tranny ignores that and conforms the past into a neat story so he can delude himself into believing he has the soul of a girl. The other diagnostic tool, like the button question is again symptoms based. A tranny could want to be a woman purely cause of sex or as a fetish, or because they're an incel and they'd rather be a troon than die alone. The problem is that you can also solve these problems by not watching porn and by looksmaxxing instead of being a tranny.
ultimately, these people have an emotion or they do a behaviour and then they immediately assume it's because they're trannies 'in heart and soul' when in reality there's a million other valid explanations that DON'T necessitate them trooning out. Why troon out then? Because they're not introspective enough and they doubt themselves, so they'd rather have someone decide for them while simultaneously trooning out is easier, glamourized, and normalized. Why solve your problems when trooning out only requires taking a pill or putting on a patch? Being a tranny to them is not only special but le hecking brave cause they fight capitalist hierarchies or gender norms or trans genocide or something.
>muh gender dysphoria doe! having a penis makes me want to ACK!Trannies ACK! on this hill of gender dysphoria and use it to pedal being a tranny. But most of them don't think about what their gender dysphoria fundamentally is i.e, it can be another issue like depression or being an autistic fuck (see the MASSIVE comorbidity there) or it can be what being a girl represents. If a tranny is an incel and they think that being a tranny is their ticket to not dying alone, they are going to feel gender dysphoria when they feel as if they aren't woman enough, no shit. Their emotions come from a flawed framework but they ignore that because in their minds, their emotions are their 'true feelings.' They examine their emotions on their face value, and trannies don't expect you to dig deeper.
Trooning out is just a maladaptive coping mechanism, and the rise of autogynephiles and the staggering increase of trannies from boomers to gen Z should be proof of that in combination with how fundamentally retarded their idea of proving their transsexuality is. They really think that if you want to press a button that turns you into a girl, that means that you have the 'tranny soul'.
I think a lot of trannies get this subconsciously and that this is a big insecurity to them - whether or not they're a 'real' tranny or not. That's why there's a thrembillion 'am i trans' videos so people can install their opinions from other people instead of thinking about their own fucking feelings. though
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>>16581490Even diagnostically, the criteria for being gender dysphoric is just down to vagueness. All studies around trannies have historically just been down to surveying apparent gender dysphorics. Even if that's the only real way to interact with it medically, anyone can say anything, trannies can retroactively intrepret memories and experiences and self-insert their own modern degeneracy.
>plebbit spaceIn that context, of course so many trannies will just cling onto these different associated cultural features that are hallmarks of the modern trans movement. A lot of it is autism, but inherently, being a tranny is just about characterisations and imitation. If what it means to be a tranny can be anything from apparent dysphoria (which itself can be a manifestation of autogynephilic tendencies) to a political statement against gender norms, no wonder that whole group is so messed up. I'd say it's matter if in-group policing, but the problem is that 99% of "trannies" are just autogynephiles who developed that through porn consumption and social reinforcement from other trannies. And with the mass proliferation of pornography, it's easier than ever to be exposed to content like that and developing that paraphilia. That's my main hypothesis as to the rise of trannies, the link between the mass proliferation of porn and that is obvious to anyone externally.
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>>16581781its a good thread but how do we use this to cause tranny leakage
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>>16581786This isn't an instructional guide on how to troll trannies, more a way to understand the context and dynamics so you can better manipulate that your advantage. Considering how effective TERFs have been at doing this, as terrible a group as they are, we can learn a thing or two from learning about how trannies are and use that to our advantage.
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>>16581786This is the case for most trannies, their autogynephilia is the most important part of their life and their way of coping about them being lonely and a shame for their parents. Usually spamming the YWNBAW, ordering 'zas or cvrans o algo is ineffective, but since they deep down know how miserable they are, you can use this to break their cope and make them leak
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>>16581634The pornography and social grooming acts as a catalyst and reinforces these ideas of 'escaping' life by trooning out. Most people that watch porn don't troon out of course, but there is a subset of people that are uniquely vulnerable to deviancy. Look at the massive co-morbidity between furries and the LGBT community. These communities have functionally the same people and have the same idea of 'being true to yourself' or 'accepting the cringe.'
Of course in the case of epi or grooming where pornography becomes intertwined with sissification, it makes sense that it would cause the groomed to troon out regardless of their temperament.
All of this makes me think that there is this risk factor of being socially isolated that when combined with porn addiction can become autogynephilia, or one of the other degenerate fetishes like zoophilia. This could be why there's notoriously a lot of tranny 'teens. They have the same risk factors as trannies and it just takes a little cognitive dissonance and porn to become one. This also explains why so many autists are involved in these communities.
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Have you seen the Rational Wiki article about Autogynephilia and Blanchard? It's the most unintentionally funny thing I've ever read.
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>>16581786the amount of leakage is proportional to the specificity and percieved truth/ambiguity. Saying "YNBAW" isn't specific. It's a pretty general insult so it's easier to write it off, plus, a tranny might even disagree with it if they use the strict leftist definition of 'woman' where you can just identify as one. In that case, they wouldn't really care because they think they are a woman, even if you used woman as in a strictly biological sense.
The perceived truth of a statement is roughly correlated with the actual truth. For example, a fat person is probably insecure about being fat, and their insecurity would be correct. However, if you called an anorexic girl fat, they would likely feel insulted despite it not being true, so the perceived truth of a statement matters a lot.
By being more specific with an insult, you make an insult sting by exposing their insecurities. The more specific, the more seen they feel and the more they will leak. Of course, you can't read xir mind, so you cannot be extremely hyper-specific unless you're doxxing xim.
This is where understanding trannies comes in. By understanding how trannies justify their behaviour and how their behaviour actually occurs, you can make them leak more by targeting insecurities with more precision. Another thing, people remember the insults that hurt, not the ones that insulted nothing. Consequently, you can insult someone for a variety of things and their negativity bias will naturally divert their attention to the insults that affect them the most.
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nigga we know YWNBAW doesnt trigger troons. The point is that its low effort. We use it as a catchphrase. When paired with a troonjak, its well enough to elicit leakage. And it leaves a memorable scar the more often they hear it. The real problem is that they retreat into an echo chamber where YWNBAW or troonjaks never reach them in the first place. But as they grow older, their body deteriorates more and more and their sins keep piling up, the ack becomes inevitable.
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>>16581957wot's funny about it?
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>>16580493Why don't we ever target the doctors and people who are in the lead of this transgender nonsense instead of random groomed trannies in raids?
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>>16581634Don't forget that HRT can sometimes turn AGP into legitimate dysphoria
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>>16582095dysphoria isnt even a word no matter how much you try and gaslight me that it is. many such cases. whole dsm-v is a witch's spell book with random invented d&d terms
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>>16582095Not really, in the case of autogynephiles it can reinforce their sexual fantasy, further divorcing them from reality.
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>>16581957Geeeeg hontrapoints is one of the "sources" you can't make this shit up
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>>16580492 (OP)most of this is generally true, only what constitutes as what trannies call "transmed" is off. technically, the term means anyone who thinks you have to/want to undergo extensive surgeries in order to be real true and honest tranny, people who think its a medical issue are technically right (though, most modern trannies dont have the actual issue and simply use it as a vector to push their deranged fetishes onto people in public). this is corroborated by older (im talking like 10, 15 years older) versions of the DSM-5, since the modern definition has been poisoned by fetishists and people lacking a real identity for years now.
this is to say, most trannies will seethe if you say ywnbaw/ywnbam, at least the ones who are more similar to the old tumblr trannies of yesteryear. rule of thumb is the closer they are to a tumblrite, the more annoyed they will be at minimal mockery.
though, recently, you may have noticed a plethora of young, mostly white men with deep interests in things like video games/internet culture (primarily reddit/twitter), have began trooning out. these people are much closer to people on here than the tumblr tranny, you may have seen this from the way they basically steal all are jokes, and how some of them even say certain slurs (never nigger, cause that would piss off the blacks, and blacks are cool!). these men have a much easier time ignoring insults, likely because theyve seen their fair share of internet shit-flinging, but are completely mentally deranged.
>marge? how do you piss off a tranny thats immune to basic insults?you just have to be a little more detailed. a lot of these people think things like hormones and cutting your dick off makes you more like a real woman, you need to attack these methods instead. bring up how estrogen doesnt make you look like a woman or make you grow breasts (these trannies seem to think that it literally makes you grow tits), just point out all it does is make you grow more fat and have less muscle. point out how a neovagina isnt a real vagina, and is closer to an open wound that needs to be reopened before it closes on itself, it also barely ever functions and has a propensity for rotting. finally, this is important, bring up how medical science will likely never progress to the point where someones genitals can completely replicate female genitals, and that even after extensive surgeries, their voice will never sound any different to that of a typical "nerdy man". this works better if you have sources on hand, and even if they act like this doesnt impact them in any way, it will always stick on them.
tldr, if theyre a pooner/not very internet addicted, saying ywnbaw/ywnbam will suffice, if they are stealing shit from here/act slightly more similar to your average 'teen in the sense they are edgier, be more detailed with your insults
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>>16582711i said are instead of our, sorry, i is esl
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>>16582095What counts as legitimate dysphoria though? This is something I don't really understand.
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>>16582711>technically, the term means anyone who thinks you have to/want to undergo extensive surgeries in order to be real true and honest trannyI mean that's another part of it, but there's a significant amount of variation even within transmedicalism, hence why I categorised it predominately by the emphasis on a root medical cause. The level of what medical intervention is necessary is a big part of that discourse even within that sphere. You're right though, and I appreciate you stating that.
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i really hate trannies but i’m not obsessed enough to read all that like you niggers
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>>16582894somephono answer this
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>>16582894Gender dysphoria in modern literature is regarded as both the incongruence between biological sex and experienced gender, and the innate desire to be the opposite sex. Here's the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-5
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>>16580493its actually so much simpler than this,TERFs cause more leakage because trannies know that they are arguing with a woman that they will never be like and never buy into their delusions,your average terf is lesbian faggot 13 year old girl on tumblr who will literally say kill all men without any reasoning and believe they are all rapists and hate trannies bwcause they are just men with skirts which is true atleast
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>>16582084because they dont actually care,they just like the money flowing by and process being easy in some countries,make it free or hard to access and see how many doctors you will get to stop giving trannies what they want,its proven by some countries where transgenderism is allowed but you have to go through a lot of tests and it takes time and some countries where its free you will often hear stories about troons talking about how their doctor denied xim hormones,usually a few months or weeks before the inevitable ack
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>>16588106So the desire to be the opposite sex for long enough regardless of the reason is categorized as legitimate gender dysphoria? I guess from that it would follow that the divide among trannies you pointed out in your thread ultimately comes down to the reasons and extent behind someone's gender dysphoria, or their desire to be the other sex. So one camp. So if I'm viewing it correctly from this angle, one camp has stricter standards around the reasons for gender dysphoria that necessitate one trooning out, and the other basically says just wanting to be a woman is enough? Would you say that gender dysphoria is a common framework trannies use to justify them trooning out, and thus calling it out explicitly as being based on lies is a good leak strategy?
What confuses me is that
>>16582095 said that
>HRT can sometimes turn AGP into legitimate dysphoriabut according to the definition of gender dysphoria it doesn't seem like AGP would be an "illegitimate" way of or path to having gender dysphoria in the first place and it would be perfectly "legitimate" for AGP to develop into or even diagnose someone with gender dysphoria. So is there even an "illegitimate" or "legitimate" gender dysphoria?
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>evendoe everytime we have some raid on a trannies nigcord some faggot spams gore and porn.
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>>16588318what is referred to as "gender dysphoria" is supposed to be an extreme disgust towards ones own genitals. it is typically paired with intense thoughts of self mutilation (or attempts to do so), and a deep self hatred. its not too different from other forms of self harm, though with the added confusion of ones own physical form.
most trannies on the internet dont even experience this. notice how most of them troon out much later in life (despite the requirements for dysphoria being extreme and incredibly noticeable), notice how many refer to the genitals they are supposed to hate with high regard (e.g. those faggots that call their penises a "girl cock" or "girl dick" or the like), notice how most would never think of hurting themselves because of their egotism.
bring up these and how their "issues" align more with either a deep conflict with how most had mocked them for being "girly" when they were growing up, or their more sinister desire to become a woman for fetish reasons (these are the two most common reasons men troon out), and they will likely crumble. if you know the individual, bring up real events in the persons life for extra seethe.
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>>16588318>So if I'm viewing it correctly from this angle, one camp has stricter standards around the reasons for gender dysphoria that necessitate one trooning out, and the other basically says just wanting to be a woman is enough? Broadly speaking, yeah. As
>>16582711 mentioned as well, the medical transition itself is also a large part of what constitutes transmedicalism. But essentially yes, wanting to be a woman is, for most within the "tucute" camp, enough of a reason. Their emphasis on the notion of gender being socially constructed changes the question from biology to sociology.
>>16588318There's actually a lot of debate about autogynephilia and dysphoria, and whether autogynephiles should be able to transition. Blanchard's Typology doesn't necessarily draw that line conclusively, but for our purposes, autogynephiles themselves should be ridiculed for that. A big part of the reason I made this post was to delve into autogynephilia conceptually was because so many trannies exhibit this very directly, so it's worth calling out and ridiculing in particular.
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>>16588446i should add that people who experience gender dysphoria are extremely mentally ill, though in a way that just makes it so they require help (like having severe depression or autism or the like). it doesnt make them a man or a woman, they just need help coping with their lives and finding out why they despise their genitals so much.
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>>16588446Tsmt, and that emphasis on genitals, particular all the "gock" or "princess wand", which itself is directly linked to fetishitic feminism, like "sissies". That's also why so many troon out later in life, because it's the result of porn addiction.
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