The advantage is you don't have to pander to their wishes. They have no opinion in the relationship and when it is done then it is done.

>Paying for sex
the only correct answer, also post 3.

>>30833443 (OP)
I've only ever paid for the sex.

>>30833443 (OP)
Paying them to go away when the sex is finished.

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>>30833443 (OP)
It's legitimately awful.
Crapitalism has commercialized even relationships, everything has been hyperoptimized to generate revenue.
Once you made love to your gf (public service) for free, now that has been privatized and replaced with a pale facsimile that is nowhere near as satisfying. And you have to pay for it on top of all that.
Fuck bourgeois values that reduce human relationships to cold commercial transactions.
We desperately need a sexual revolution 2.0. Free love and shit.

>>30833780
Unfathomaly based.

>>30833780
>Once you made love to your gf (public service) for free
You know who's a free public service? Your mom.

>>30833780
"Muh Crapitalism" created a world of abundance.
Socialism has never created abundance.
Marx's maxim is actually "he who does not work, does not eat".
And judging by starvation rates under socialism, even working isnt a guarantee.

Kys Marxtard.
I shouldnt have to give lectures in history and economics going for a wank.

>>30833443 (OP)
They're based and doing honest work. Got nothing but respect for this small group of likable women.

>>30833443 (OP)
Whores are whores. My issue is that I'm *highly* selective of who I have sex with. I won't go anywhere near some mudshark or race mixer. Won't touch some skank with tattoos or drug addiction, etc.

As a result I have no interest in whores - because if I ever find a whore that is picky about customers she's probably the 0.0000000000000000000000001% of the population of whores; and I can't be bothered to look.

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>>30833780
>muh capitalism
Bro, your ignorance is astounding. Go fucking look at communist/soviet countries and how bad the whores and prostitution was there. Fucking Weimar Republic as a starter for ten, gees.

>>30834946
Commies fuck though. Alot. For free even.

>>30835121
>>30834946

This has nothing to do with communism. Capitalism does this sort of thing all the time, too.
The other anon made a very good point about the commoditization of relationships, but you dumbasses just had to ignore his point and reply with bullshit, like the retards you are. Eat shit

>>30833443 (OP)
The only thing I don't like about it is when whores pretend they're not whores. Maybe you're not getting paid directly for sex but you are giving men sexual gratification for money, the intention behind it is the exact same.

What really shaped my view on this is I'm related to someone that was a stripper, I got to know them as I was growing up and while I don't necessarily respect the work, I respected them as people for being open about what they did. They didn't pretend that they wasn't whores because men only looked, they didnt pretend they was moral virgins. It's the honesty I respect.

I don't respect the work but I respect the liars and word games they play a far lot less. I'd sooner want to know a whore that admits it than a whore who claims she's not because she hasn't actually slept with any men and that everybody sells their body for work.

>>30833780
Blaming capitalism for everything is a clear sign of zero critical thinking skills. Prostitution existed before capitalism, I would say social media is one factor. Bitches see other bitches getting all the attention and think "wahhh I deserve to get money just for existing and being an NPC".

God the mid quirky bitches are the worst, and there's a neverending line of simps and immigrants posting hearts and emojis under their trash pics. Even the land whales are demanding $50 DM fees

All I have to say is a lot of bitches are gonna be starving and homeless in the next 2 years. Prices going up everywhere now these lazy hookers think they're allowed to up their rates as well. No sane person is gonna tolerate that shit

I'm seeing a lot of trans sex workers disappearing because they assume they're high value and are entitled to 300-700 an hour to stretch their sphincter. Bahahahaha, all I can do is laugh as they fade away with their malignant narcissism.

>>30833443 (OP)
Well you’re doing that anyway. The only real downside is that any real affection you might develop for them isn’t mutual.

That and going out of your way for it is pretty shameful. Its one thing if you’re walking down the street and a baddie offers you a blowie for 50$, its another to plan your friday night around it.


Not looking down on you for doing it, I’ve banged an inordinate number of pros myself. Just being real

>>30835196
They literally used the word "bourgeois" in their post, obvious commie-coded prole-fetish wannabe aristocrat jargon

>>30835207
You replied to the wrong anon but I just had a funny thought that bourgeois like a bad spelling of gorgeous but with a b.

>>30835180
>eat shit
You already do commie

>>30833780
assuming this isnt bait.

>Once you made love to your gf (public service)
If women are forced to have sex due to state mandate what makes you think she would only be having sex with you and not all the other comrades as well having her to yourself is some private property bullshit.

>commercialized even relationships
>reduce human relationships to cold commercial transactions
believe it or not capitalism didnt have much play in this, women are the ones that did this themselves.

modern humans are no different mentally from how caveman were and just like cavemen, the men use violence to protect what is theirs and get impressed by fire, meanwhile the women give themselves to the most desireable men and shun the rest. Women were forced to marry men back in the day because thats what they had to rely on to survive. But ever since women got autonomy, gained financial self sustainability, theyve made it clear that they dont want to waste time with men that arent at their level. and due to culture and upbringing women are greatly out performing men more and more now in the world. So if you think communisim or whatever idea in your head that will make men gain sex, love whatever from women, iam sorry to say it wont work. Because the problems we have today regarding this stuff isnt so much created by men its created by women.

>sexual revolution 2.0
Look at how women are today with all the polyamory and hypergamy you've been on reddit too long if you think having another sexual revolution wont just result in women gatekeeping sex and love for "chads" even more then before

Having women have even more power in society or a matriarchal society with women a they are now will actually give you the opposite of what you want. What you'll get is instead some neo nazi eugennics caste society where the undesireables are thrown in sweatshops and mines out of sight and the desireables will work leadership and management roles or be concubines for women.

>>30833460
this. Don't cuck yourself with the other stuff.

>>30833443 (OP)
>Paying for sex
Sort of? What I'm actually paying for is to skip the hoops and the bullshit and the uncertainty.

I can get a hookup easily enough. I'm not gonna claim I'm exceptional. I'm not. But I'm in decent shape, clean, and can hold a convo. And like that's really all it takes to get laid if you're willing to put yourself out there. But it's still time, effort, and yes money.

Going to clubs, going on dates, buying drinks, it all has both a real money cost and a time cost and a failure rate. All of that has a total dollar value to me, and honestly it lines up pretty well with what it costs to just skip all that and know that 30 minutes after I'm texting a girl I'll have my tongue down her throat and my dick in her pussy.

I get a girl with the look I want, no hoops, no complications. And at the end of the day they're just girls. Often broken in some way by the work they do but not always. If you legit have a good connection you can go out for dinner and then fuck her off the clock, probably.

Like at least one in four times I pay I get shit off the clock/unpaid just because we clicked. And the times you don't like something about a girl you're under no obligation to ever see her again. You get to just nope out of it. It's harder to do that with a hookup or date or whatever.

Like obviously I'm probably not gonna find a long term relationship that way, but if I'm not looking for that what's the downside of getting to pick a girl I think is hot and just... no fuss, no muss, here's a couple of bucks get blowing, bitch.

Plus I get to sample properly strange strange. Girls with face tattoos. Black fitness girls. Bimbo whores with balloon tits and asses. Two girls. Trans girls. Indian girls. Goth girls.

Fuck it, I ain't looking for a wife, I just like freaky sex. Speaking of, freaky. Good luck getting a girl to let you fuck her ass in a hookup, or choke her, or swallow your spit or eat your ass. If you're paying and looking for that, it's just there.

>>30835180
>Capitalism
you don't fucking live in capitalism you idiot. No one does. At best you live in an oligarchy, but more likely to you live in a social-democrat hybrid of socialist ideology with *some* free actions (within their bounds). There is no capitalist country in existence presently on Earth today and that's a fact.

Plus, all you can do is point to exceptions in Western economies, whereas in socialist ones it's the norm. Get fucked cunt.

>>30833780
You know prostitutes predate capitalism by… like thousands of years… right?

MODS!!! ANOTHER ILLEGAL THREAD! THIS IS A FELONY IN TEXAS. MODS!!!!

>>30835647
Capitalism always was. It's basically human nature. People might have called it other things, but people have always found ways to create a market to clear supply and demand.

>>30835789
No rofl capitalism is a very specific thing you stupid commie… god why are you fucking reds so willfully obtuse

>>30833443 (OP)

Every year my wife gets one year older but somehow the 18 year old girls on pinalove stay 18.

>>30835180
>Capitalism does this all the time too
Does that negate that it happened?
What's the point of that statement?

I do escorts/spa visits from time to time. Honest answer is this. I get to handle/jerked off/fuck woman that I would never get out in the wild. The price is fair (same as a good dinner/date would typically cost). They are pro's, aka clean, safe, they run a business. We are not talking street hookers here.

example: cupidsescorts ca/escorts/

just one of many in my area.

>>30835968
Lol cope harder. Human nature is human nature. (Talk about willfully obtuse baka...)

>>30833443 (OP)
It's like going in a pigs den and expecting not to get covered in shit.
99% of the girls are mentally damaged and zoned out, everything is mecanical and toxic, and if you want something decent you have to pay a lot of money, more than a normal girlfriend will ever cost.

Don't let retarded gooners fool you, relationship sex, with a mid wife/girlfriend that loves/likes you will ALWAYS be more satisfying 9/10 hooker.

>>30833780
Nigger, you are living the consequences of "free love" not capitalism.
The leftover generations will have to painfully rediscover why monogamy was the norm in the European world.

>>30833443 (OP)
Uhm, I pay child support. 15+ years and counting so I'd say hiring a professional is a better option. God damn kid doesn't even speak to me and I just can't get over it, I guess I just take it personally and really should just get over it.

>>30835176

Not with you. And once the party wins its revolution, sex goes to the guy who has the power (also not you). Sometimes she's legit attracted to power, sometimes it's transactional, sometimes he's coercive.

All socialism/communism does is replace money with power as the social currency that matters. The difference is that enough money can make something hard to refuse, but power makes it impossible to refuse, and you don't get anything in return.

>>30833780
Free love to suck your buddies off

>>30833443 (OP)
Work hard and improve yourself physically and mentally so you don't consider paying for sex.

>>30836192
id make the argument that what your describing is animal nature, for most people in the world are not humans but animals so they act like such because they dont know better. a human is a title that is earned though education and experience, people are not born humans they become one. All humans are people but not all people are humans.

lmao at the all the retards espousing capitalism and calling people commies in this thread. Hypertarded amerifags.

>>30836192
Ok so what you dislike human nature? I got some bad news for you retard

>>30835533
>nu-uh, it wasn't REAL capitalism
jesus christ

>>30833443 (OP)
>What is the verdict on modern escorts and sex workers?
Depends
Personally it's been mostly worth it

First depends on your headspace
If you can't get over the moral concerns then don't do it bro, it's not worth the demons - more important and difficult than surviving is living with yourself
With that out of the way, it also depends on your mood, your fetishes and your sexual confidence - but those you can learn and master along the way

Otherwise, the quality of the encounters heavily depends on the girls
I can only speak for European prostituion
But basically, prostitution is a vocation and service like any other
And like any service the price-quality relationship is all over the place - some girls do the bare minimum, some will try to cheat you out every penny, some are very professional about the whole thing and will satisfy you, some aren't very good at it but you can see they're really trying their best and you end up liking them anyway, and some actually have pride in the profession and genuinely believe they are doing a good thing in helping lonely men much the same way a doctor heals the sick
in short you have eveything
The narrative of prostitutes largely being damaged victims of something bad be it drugs, crippling poverty or human trafficking is a fucking meme, mostly cooked up by crazy feminists and pearl-clutching puritans, those unfortunate cases are minority and they mostly happen on shithole regions
The truth of the matter is far simpler and far less dramatic - it's just that easy for a minimally attractive woman to make ends meet by lying on her back
I do agree it's not ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world and honestly prostitution is a far lesser evil than porn, the former is actually a very human vice, porn is just poison and it's laughable how it became more socially accepted than sex
This anon is right >>30834956

>>30836488
Lemme guess, you’ve somehow delusioned you into thinking all the flavors of communism aren’t communist?

> b-b-b-but democratic socialism has capitalistic elements

And is a latte distinct from a plain old coffee? Sure, but its still a coffee.

>>30836562
If you really have a mind to try it, then first and foremost the laws in your region to see if it's legal or not
Then my best advice is join a forum of whoremongers from your region, search their reviews, ask questions, do your research, yada yada yada
Oh and get a 2nd SIM card for the exclusive purpose of asking girls their prices and setting up encounterus
And stick to certified sites

Speaking a bit more of my own experiences

I was fast approaching my wizarding year when I finally had enough of my inceldom
I squared away my ethical concerns after reading some Aristotle
I did some extensive and finally settled on a young busty petite latina
I was super nervous when I met her, she noticed and I said it was my first time
And to my immense luck she was one of those rare whores that does believe her work is fundamentally good, and even better she confessed she enjoyed breaking virgins
It was heaven
Though I had only money for a half-hour session I was with her for one hour and half, we have sex twice, we drank, we cuddled and talked (but like soul talk) and she thaught me how to kongue kiss a woman
Kinda fell in love for her... which is why I never dared to see her again
But I don't regret it, objectively best decision of my life
Specially considering how all my friends always said their 1st time was shitty and awkard, compared to them I hit the jackpot
She filled my heart with passion and gave new a lease on life - melted most of my chudness (not all xD) even my friends noticed that emotional change, and by far the remedy I got against my porn addiction

I've had more encounters since then obviously
Most have been adequate, some very good and couple of then I do regret
My problem is that I am too much of a poorfag my tastes lol

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>>30833443 (OP)
Disgusting & pathetic to be honest

My 42 years old divorced, obese single mother friend was showing me her dating matches
She has a roster of three guys, all of them reasonably good looking dudes. She has schedule for every weekend for the summer. One of them is taking her for a romantic weekend to Italy. Another one is taking her and her kid on a vacation to Egypt (all expenses are paid). Another booked all inclusive wellness stay.
I repeat, this is a 42 years old, obese, unattractive woman with a kid, who is pretty funny at times but that's about it. We are so fucking COOOOOKED and it's thanks to retards like these three clowns

>>30836528
I don't dislike human nature. But that isn't really the point. The point is that capitalism flows pretty directly from human nature. It's consistent with who and what we are. Commie-ism isn't. So good luck with that.

>>30833443 (OP)
damn that's a nice house. is there a clean footage without the whore?

>>30836443
Dangerous thinking bruh. If you start telling yourself, "Yeah, those guys over there, they're not really humans." That opens the door to treating them like the sub-humans they are. Be careful.

>>30833443 (OP)
no problem with escorts, fuck them and go.
street walkers are trash
cam and onlyfans whores need a bullet

>>30836567
Nah. My lol'ing is just at the ignorance and brainwashing evident here in general.

Your coffee analogy holds, except that it actually applies to capitalism i.e the world economy is capitalist and therefore all are because you can't opt out of the system once a plurality of people, power, resources, influence etc is capitalist.

Doubt you or anyone here will get it no matter how well I explain it so cba to elaborate but yeah just try to think from first priciples and you may get there independently.

>>30833443 (OP)
>What is the verdict on modern escorts and sex workers?
nothing more cucked than paying for it.

>>30835647
>prostitutes predate capitalism
prostitutes are capitalist in nature.
commies are cucks by nature because they want to steal the used hooker.

>>30833443 (OP)
/tv/ memed me into watching this shit, thinking it would be a prostitution movie
instead I got an unfunny russian road trip comedy

fuck you and your thread

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I'll try to address the main points of criticism leveled agains my earlier post

1. Yes, prostitution predates capitalism, so what?
Money is the root of all evil but different economic systems will encourage certain behavior over others. Capitalism seeks to expand and penetrate new markets all the time, do you really think it's going to draw a line at sex and relationships? As for Communism, if you open a history book you'd realize that in many communist countries prostitution was criminalized and the way their societies were structured disincentivized it anyways. Education was free or affordable, meaning there wasn't a perpetually underclass of women who had to whore themselves out to survive. And the Weimar Republic was not remotely communist in any sense of the word.

2. Let me explain my analogy further. Back in the day you'd have sex with your gf. The relationship was non-transactional, she fucked you because she wanted to, for free. This is akin to public service. What capitalism did was it realized that there was a mass of lonely men (created by processes that it take too long to describe here) and realized there was an opportunity to make profit off of them.
Capitalism proceeded to privatize this service and transform it into a paid service. Now instead of your gf whispering sweet nothings into your ear an OnlyFans thot sends you a PM. After paying, ofc.
These par asocial relationships are a pale imitation of the real thing and will never be as satisfying.

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3. Yes, we need a sexual revolution 2.0. Back in "trad times" marriages were calculated affairs where economic and status considerations were at the forefront. Families only agreed to marriages if they considered the groom to come from a good (read: wealthy) family. This is the exact same behavior we see in hypergamous whores: they're always angling to snag themselves a billionaire vampire with a 12 incher.
This is bourgeois morality as applied to sex and marriage. The sexual revolution rejected all that in favor of free love. It encouraged people to have sex because it feels good and marry the person they love rather than see relationships through a transactional lens.
Prostitution is awful but it's what the system incentivizes. I've been to a couple of escorts myself and while it might be convenient, it will simply never compare to making love to someone you actually care about. I don't want my relationships to be cold, impersonal mercantile affairs. We deserve better than this.

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