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About Platonism: http://web.archive.org/20240602102700/https://friesian.com/ross/platonis.htm : "Physicists, by and large, are Platonists who seek reality in the archetypes behind the scenes.
"..."
Non-scientists, by and large, are Kierkegaardians for whom the subjectivity of life and thought is more real than scientific models"..."Kant understood Hume better than most purported partisans and followers of Hume in the 20th century.".."Kant wanted to supply an objective correlate to explain Hume's subjective certainties. But Plato had already done so." According to the blogger, people misinterpreted Hume because they can't compute being "atheist" and "conservative".
"Kant, as it happens, wishes to construe reason as no more than the formal rules that become evident in logic, with a couple of characteristics that we can comfortably attribute to those rules."
Before 5 years from 2024 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1Xx_tQNB8 : 2:37:07 France claims to be secular yet pushes back Judaism and Islam meanwhile let Christian denominations.
2:49:51 Plato isn't strawmaning just showing weaknesses in different positions.
2:49:59 "You have to be super-humble when you read philosophy"
2:50:15 "It's a better way of reading the text."
2:50:30 You also have to trust yourself.
2:50:59 Everybody justifies their actions in a no -professional way.
2:51:15 You think what you think for a reason. Just examine the reason.
2:51:50 Translation doesn't matter after personal literal engagement.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ahwx9D4KoO8 : End : Empiricism Part 2: Locke, Hume, and Voltaire: Even Kant said that David Hume's Is-Ought-distinction shattered his dogmatism.
2024-06-01: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLT5VZZuu4&pp=ygUSUGxhdG9uaXN0IHlvdXR1YmVy : 4:11 Hegel is in a way history-end, yet in another pleads reader to confidently and humbly transcend him.
10:04 Modern science has same problem as abstract Christianity, which is why they condition on the same level in a certain way and in right direction.
10:14 but transcending its more or less in atheistic-mode-only, or not even true atheism. True isn't absolute atheism and concrete Christian/religion.
10:21 Any concrete ideology is always genuine philosophy, which is the infinite, in the scientific c form.
10:37 Absolute limitedf.. religious consciousness at Hegel for Hegel's time was Christianity.. but it's stuck to seneousness, so to transcend...
11:23 Hegel is all (philosophies) f them, he's platonist, he's Aristotelian, he's pre-Socratic, Neoplatonist...
11:31 Hegel bashes a bit and gives them credit in other places.
13:24 Both understands Platonism with the bread Spiritman saying Nominalism is the only alternative to Platonism.
13:55 Spiritman: Plato politically advocates to transform society to metaphysical forms.
14:15 forms to be present. Plato wants to embody that in civil engineering...
14:30 Themeiens from The Republic is same than Ancient Athens 1000 years ago when it was first founded by Athena.
15:49 Plato wants return past state. Hegel believes future progress.
16:09 Spiritman dislikes Plato seeing the infinite as positive.
16:39 Spiritman concerns about Hegel confusing absolute and principle of expansion as lesser infinite as same.
17:11 Platonist neon-green shirt: Hegel doesn't confuses anything on my opinion, at least to the level of arguable philosophers...
17:29 Platonist: Because Plato is so previews with his words.
Earlier: Platonist described reading Plato as good experiences others can only fully comphrenenc by experiencing it.
18:30 Platonist: Jay, you know people are starting to listen to the real message. To the real Hegel.
18:45 Right open-mindedness and right rigor to break out from abstract-thinking.
@whitemakesright2177
before 11 months
It would be interesting to know what he was like before. He very well may have always been a little crazy, and Hegel just pushed him over the edge. But yes, he's definitely not coherent at all.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S2YfEXOwpz0&pp=ygUJUGxhdG9uaXN0 : 0:27 : Mathematic realism VS anti-realism (Platonism VS formalism)
0:35 Alfred North wrote that all philosophies are footnotes from Plato.
1:01 Plato said that Mathematics exist in some world out there.
1:22 Most working mathematicians are platonists in their hearts.
1:28 Mathematics exists out there and we're merely discovering the truths of mathematics.
Some time: Frege united almost all logicians, platonists & physicians with his axioms till Bernhard Russell's barber paradox steps in.
3:14 No formal system can capture all truths of mathematics.
3:19 Platonist-fan is physicist.
"platonism merely involves numbers existing nonspatiotemporally not that they hold some higher being of rules."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nppMHu3BUI&pp=ygUSIkkgYW0gYSBQbGF0b25pc3Qi : 10:40 Material world... Non-material realm of platonic ideals adds nothing to our understanding and this we can discard it. 11:00 Platonism fails because transcended realm is unnecessary.
https://archive.ph/ynF1Y "Most american" intellectuals today are aristotelians.
2:02 Aristotle believes that rigorous nature observation is best way for wisdom.
2:13 Plato sought to transcend and confuse this shadowy world to find truth in ideas.
2:25 Aristotle looked biology in the natural world to uncover knowledge.
Not *:** Professor Dave: Aristotle The First Scientist 's YT-comment said that Aristotle gained knowledge from Alexander The Great's conquests writings. That video said that Aristotle only laid most foundations of science without him being first scientist.
2:27 as a result be crowned as naturalism's father, even science itself.
2:37 Devoted energy to classification of natural phenomena and sought to acquire knowledge through labeling.
2:42 Everything he saw and discover it's purpose.
3:01 Aristotle leans to empiricist.
3:33 Evolution made clear that biological truths are merely contingent truths.
3:39 Contingent truth is true but doesn't necessarily have to be true. It happens to be true.
4:46 Most academics and self-described intellectuals of today favor science over less concrete pursuit of knowledge such as religion, mysticism...
5:01 and understandably so given the leaps forward in technological progress and the piercing inside the physical world ... increasing science-focus & -awareness over last 100 years.
5:19 Spiritual beliefs as superstitious and backwards relics.
5:21 However, the worship of science in human empirical knowledge and arrogance that comes along.
5:34 Plato felt that the objects or the particulars in this world.
5:40 were only crude representation of truth.
5:44 experience of something purer that we can't readily observe.
5:55 The world we see are false representations and only a few brave souls ready to leave.
6:07 Ascetic rejection of most worldly pursuits was shadow-champings-avoid-path.
6:15 While I disagree with many Plato's points and share some of his ascetic leanings, this conception of human condition speaks to me. Inspired by Buddhists, I advocate more than Plato for the reality-facing and what is.
6:32 Our goals are linked.
6:45 Transcendence remains the goal. By focusing on what is.
6:50 Plato found inspiration more in ideas than objects.
6:53 More in potential in what could be instead plain observation.
7:09 I doubt we can fully escape the cave at least as humans.
7:13 Afterlite-agnostic.
7:21 Any hope of me leaving cave is purely speculative.
7:29 Like Aristotle, I believe observation is critical for advancing knowledge.
7:33 Siding with Plato, we must always remember that our human experiences are shadows. Mere perceptions, limited by our imperfect minds.
7:40 Our understanding of existence are flawed attempts to label and categorize in a reality we can not fully comprehend.
8:10 Aristotle compared to Plato tho is transcendent forms and ideas aren't necessary for reality-understanding and should be discarded.
8:20 Truth beyond experience can't be access by definition.
8:33 Human language is limited. It's possible that even if those truths stood some level,nits subject to human description, that if absolute ideal truth can be understood by the human mind.
8:49 YouTuber believes in transcended realm for good reason, which philosophers scoff. It simply felt true to me.
8:56 However, I have experience cited. How Plato was on to something. Incendentalism? When I listen music, I feel like I touched a world beyond our own.
9:18 More to reality than eyes.
9:40 Maybe illusion, yet those transcendent moments are too powerful for me to not believe in.
10:49 All this YouTuber wants is to be lit.
"@HappyWithWhatsThere
before 12 years
Putnam represents....about 7 different distinct philosophical viewpoints throughout his career lol.
"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8Iq67yl_8&pp=ygUWImNvbW1vbiBzZW5zZSBzY2llbmNlIg%3D%3D : Common Sense VS Science: 5 likes
Helpful/macrophysical/wisdom VS Precise models/intellect 33:33 Water is H2O. 42:18 & 38 contradicts "Water is H2O"-statement. YouTuber said he linked in comments how water is not H2O. One commenter said he's one of few YouTubers putting actual philosophy in his content.
49:01 Reconstructed Manifest Image. Solidity was defined by common sense as intrinsic property by an object, in 2024-1 being defined in a functionalist view as their function in relation to others.
50:50 Risk of reconstruction is "Changing Subjects".
"What wavelengths will get reflected by the object is indeed its property, the surface works like a filter so color represents its properties while our eyes just act as an detector of those properties." 0 likes, "@douglasphillips5870
before 1 year
Cubism was originally an attempt to view an entire scene at once from every angle. A limit to our perception is that we can't see multiple angles at once. As with common sense and science, we often can't see one perspective as we look at another. If you look purely from a common sense perspective you can miss the underlying causes of what is happening, but if you look at a purely scientific perspective you can loose sight of the effect of the cause.
" 5 likes
Helpful/macrophysical/wisdom VS Precise models/intellect
https://archive.ph/2024.06.05/https://emporium.quora.com/How-To-Think-Like-Nathan-Coppedge : "barely did anything before I turned 19", "make ideas to sound more interesting"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EbK_SU2USzo&pp=ygUOIlBsYXRvbmlzdCIgVlM%3D : 10:07 Aavoll is a big fan of Schopenhauer through Nietzsche.
25:55 Uberboyo: I don't think it's a war in that sense. It's an interesting conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSJvJhn3dVE&pp=ygUhTW9yYWwgcmVhbGlzdCBkZXN0cm95cyBkZXN0aW55IGpj Rem Jhc Realism:
0:10 Brady_Twitcherson: Kant was indirect ...
EliotToller: >reminder: Everyone is doug
0:17 nnn: ok so a hella cute little
chinese girl just moved into my flat
0:26 Saltright: Isn't space-time a perception as well?
0:57 norchandoi: Destiny this conversation has gone nowhere since JHC joined
1:23 Adori: destiny isn't losing, those 3 are just salty that someone without a college debate beat them in a debate ...
norchcandor; Destiny since Martin joined
1:32 DaveTheDank: I choked so hard about sense data *laughAudienceMan*
1:45 QuantitySquared: This is like searching for do vaccines cause Autism and choosing that one article that agrees with you *disturbedPepe* ...
KaMakasa: xartemisx i mean hopefully they will *AudienceManlaugh* they made s2m viable i think? hopefully theyll make sw pain baseline Xailum
2:07 WooraWoora: karl_marx1 I am doing summer school PepeHands
2:13 Xailum: KaMakasa i think f**k it I am going to try and look for a 3 day a guild and try to push a little since I really don't have anything else to do PepeHands
2:21 silverpikatchu1: Fancysloth I only gave up because I thought it was cheating
2:28 Chehgo: KaMakasa xartemisx s2m is a horrible talent that needs to be removed *Gasmask* ...
JF_Gariepy: indiffernet
2;44 KaMakasa: Chego theyre making it like a bit better in ptr no? *disturbedPepe*
picklemancer: silverpikatchu1 I can't nnn is a pro-nofaper
WooraWoora: karl_marx1 So that I can actually graduate next year 2x *AudienceManlaugh*
2:55 picklemancer: GeniuneEO i cant beat other people *AudienceManLaugh*
3:10 AndyMilonakis: Relativity and quantum mechanics have demonstrated clearly that what you find out with instruments is true relative only to the instrument you are using and where it is located. So there is no vantage point from which real reality can be seen, we are all looking from the point of our own reality tunnels - RAW
3:19 dyloner: DaveTheDank Has Destiny ascended to existential realism yet? ...
holys**tballs: I am agnostic to Kant
3:24 nnn: silverpikatchu1: hell no but I am about to do. You should see the two girls just moved into my flat
3:35 KaMakasa: StevenChilton Xailum mythrax this is legit the least melee friendly fight
4:08 CoagulationZed: AndyMilonakis knows the kochen-specter-theorem and measurement contextuality.
4:20 AndyMilonakis: I am getting high motherf*****s
4:29 Saltright: Was Kant the first ultimate skeptic and made it work
4:39 silverpikatchu1: nnn *openeyesOface* there are 2 chicks that live sorta
in the same apartment as me I need to chat them up tbh
4:53 AndyMilonakis: @BigPapaBoston It's a quote. Does it matter, if I quote from the author?
5:19 SoConfuse: I got *head*s in my head but I am a *head*s head
JF_Gariepy: moofish I just got out of jail for touching a mental age 11 girl
5:27 holys**tballs: Ridiculous = retarded
5:33 Laitho90: Heraclitus and Hegel were kinda against contradiction no?
moofish: JF_Gariepy You're out? Who was your lawyer?
5:40 Randomuser39: Destiny There's also paraconsistent logic which is fine with contradictions.
5:52 moofish: Last year, a Beverly Hills tax attorney wrote an op-ed defending Trump's refusal to release his tax returns. Trump appointed him to the head of IRS. Last year an ex-US attorney went on cable news to defend Trump from the Mueller investigation.
He's now the acting attorney general.
6:01 DaveTheDank: @Laitho91 Heraclitus thought everything was a process, so he's a little bit different.
6:28 chos00_0: Destiny We can say it's inconsistent, but we can't falsify it.
6:33 Latho90: @DaveTheDank Will Hegel then thought dialectic?
6:38 Mhythalaria: ImRemTheBathBoi always brings stuff up and then says you brought it up, Destiny ...
DaveTheDank: @Laitho90 an interesting "process philosopher" would be Alfred North Whitehead
Sometime in between: Rem mentioned paraconsistent logic.
7:11 Fancysloth: are they still talking about 3x meta philosophy.
7:33 Blizzardtaint: don't steal my position ...
RaspberryPine: My position now Yoink
7:48 jeco: starting to get angry
7:55 chos00_0: Destiny Falsifiying is also a claim
8:02 slicklikedat muted by Bot.
Bot0: 2m slicklikedat: 100% = your past text ...
felklmao: > Askyourself was right 4Head
8:27 lol_king_123: Who else thinks this entire thing is *irritatedHead*
8:36 ezdude: Moorish So what do you think? Will he budget Mueller out of his investigation? How will he release info into the House, when it has go though the attorney general? What has our politics become?
8:55 ginitro: Rem has been triggered since beginning
9:02 Le_Vinny: I was supposed to eat 3 hours ago, but I can not miss one second of this lol
Swampy_NZ: These convos make me feel so dumb PepeHands
9:24 Ruspe: *golden emoji* 3x ramble *cap* *golden emoji*
someSwag: picklemancer only I get to bully moofish > !voteban moofish
9:48 Ruspe: BOGGED
Conform24: , Evil_MrMuffinz: ,Miasma: ,MagnificentRoB: ,JF_Gariepy: ,
9:50 DaryCypher: , jeco: ,CatDawg7, ..., TechTilla, iDunk_, Korvos, EliotToller, j_packs
9:51 cellardoor, capt_orang,
DontJoshMyTots: INTENSIVE PURPOSE *intense EyesGrandpa*
bundamon: BOGGED
9:53 ...,
TJHginger: BOGGED , Waphlez: , peckerlildevil:
9:55 Oooyay: BOGGED SHUT THEM DOWN BOGGED
, ..., Levlin: BOGGED
9:58 jhcjhcjhcjhc: Have these f**ks been doing this all night?
10:08 Conform24: LET THE TWO PHD GUYS TALK *Peperage*
WooraWoora: @Swampy_NZ These conversations make me feel less autistic. *PepeOpenEyes*
... jeco: Philosophy is suffering *depressedshavedWojak* ...
moofish: someSwag *GlassGoatCritic* let's get picklemancer out of here
10:15 Ruspe: he zed ze code word. proceed BOGGED
10:16 cellardoor: BOGGED zey are approaching ze truth... Shut it down.
MaiAyeNuhs: *USTrumpsavvysmile* Intelligence means nothing
10:19 felklmao: BOOGED this debate is over
10:30 Thegreatcuckster: Thinking Destiny is close *Audiencemanlaugh*
picklemancer: moofish someSwag I agree get me out *redGoatbeardface* /
jeco: ImRemTheBathBoi now's the time *DarthVadercallsDiscord*
11:08 DontJoshMyTots: chat did jhc come on at all?
chos00_0: in a sense he's pretty much iin metaphysically arguing too ...
11:18 Legendofaiur: Is Destiny the Patrick meme right now? *Audiencemanlaugh* ...
Noah: Which theory of truth does Destiny use?
Thegreatcuckster: How do we know that we don't know? ...
picklemancer: someSwag moofish you shouldn't *audienceManLaugh* That picklemancer guy sucks
11:18 zlantanebest: Legendofaiur *AudienceManLaugh*
Levlin: he lost me *Pepesad*
11;49 EliotToller: >how can we know that is true? *Pepethink*
11:49-11:50 Destiny screams rough "ARARARARA" and "HURH" to disrupt ImRemTheBathBoi.
11:57 Many *pepeRage*s and *intenseEyeGrandpa* posted here.
Zodiiakk: THE MATRIX
11:58 Sampladelic: 9x Metaphysical *PepeHeadset*
12:02 Rem laughs and said "Destiny".
Venteon: *heartstab* MY EARS
ImRemTheBathBoi said: "I agreed."
12:11 jeco: literally chimping out
Rem: "It's close to solipsism"?
12:18 furorem: ImRemTheBathBoi YOU'RE SO CLOSE
12:22 Fajosu: philosophy is dumb debate me
12:26 Iyfe: Twitch chat, take a shot every time he says epistemic
12:27 jeco: ImRemTheBathBoi you almost have this
12:29 Mythalaria: ImRemTheBathBoi QUICK - CALL HIM DUMB ITLL WORK NOW
Fat_Ultralisk: Destiny Stop jacking off Descartes ...
choppyfrogs: Destiny is getting destroyed right now guys *sweatyMarkiplierWojak* ...
jchosen: Destiny that's a great question
12:33 theepictool: people study this OMEGALUL
Iyfe: Twitch chat, take a shot every time he says epistemic *AudienceManlaugh*
ThorEl: Destiny just doesn't understand what metaphysics is. This is ridiculous.
12:36 daggfish: this could have been a 5 min conversation *GameOfThrones*
12:39 TheNumberYellow: The entire point of Destiny godsa
chos00_0:'"That's metaphysically"
...
12:43 norchcandor: Destiny. Rem is being a s*****r. You wouldn't assert that there are no necessary moral truths. You would say we don't know when we know a necessary moral truth or just something we think is necessary. ...
Spaghettiisgood: The shrooms were a f***ing mistake. This could be chess autism rn
eli_ali: MiyanoHype ONCE MORE AROUDN THE CIRCLE MiyanoHype
13:03 furorem: ImRemTheBathBoi DON'T GIVE UP, NEVER BACK DOWN!
13:12 jchosen: Destiny it really does put it in perspective, those who claim "well I'd have to adjust how I view the world" those people are being honest, but those who do not...are avoiding the entire point of the question
zlantanebest: ASSUMPTIONS *AudienceManlaugh*
13:16 jhcjhcjhcjhc: someone mod me so that I can kick everyone but me and Destiny
EliotToller: >this is a philosophy class
1:13:50 Continental philosophy being called incoherent and that distinction disgusts a.the only analytical philosopher liking Frankfurter School and calling it too simplistic too and all philosophers agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1Xx_tQNB8&pp=ygUYRGVzdGlueSBheGlvbWF0aWMgc3lzdGVt : 0:33 Philosopher looks at Philosophyworks-database after Destiny googling.
0:49 KogasAlt9999: There's no context in which axioms appears where a single axiom says anything meaningful.
I_Memberino: Don't you always have multiple axioms?
... Brady_Twitcherson: Philpapers *fullShiningwhiteGrandpa*
KogasAlt9999: It's like "multi-word sentence". Like f***.
1:21:11 MarinZep: We're going full Aristotelian, boys.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QGs1wOpUP_Y&pp=ygUQUmVtVGhlQmF0aGJvaSB2cw%3D%3D : RemTheBathBoi VS Infrared :
0:32 About RemTheBathBoi saying that Rem's audience says Infrared runs away from X.
jaan_r: nobody calls him a chicken
Earlier: Haz: What claims did you said about me?
Rem: What claims specifically?
0:34 Rem: Wait a second. I have to adjust my volume model. Oohmm.. Go ahead.
0:37 RemTheBathBoi: Aaaahm... I don't know like ig rahr I said a lot of things tonight I can't...meet.. you have.. Can you give me specific examples?
0:47 Haz: Ok what would be the relevant uh.. point of debate? What would be a relative point of contention... to debate about?
0:52 yungpoop69: that debate when Rem got dumpstered by Train was so based *PepeGrindSmile*
1:25 ImAnAtari: He thinks you're Vaush
2:06 major_brocelot: *InfraredSign* was a child prodigy
4:15 Infrared: Since you're.. Since you're philosophy, I wanna put your philosophy to text.
4:40 virginvindexx: Rem is so s**t-tier, he thinks a 19 year old studying Hegel is child prodigy like incest.
5:38 MercuriusRx: Real hegelians dont use twitch *Mansmirk*
lavarasonjamar: REM we didn't forget how you made QF cry
5:40 Rem asked Infrared about him writing books and means about Hegel. Infrared didn't understood and said about any book.
5:49 After Rem clarifying his request and asked about Infrared incorporating Hegel in his books Infrared said: "Obviously."
9:51 unquantized: consistency is validity not soundness ...
unquantized: soundness is if premises are true *About Rem's claims.
9:57 MatthiewVittorio: You semantic lawyer snake b***h intellectual pissing your pants and run away *cap*
10:06 I33rt: define "x". is their biggest cope
10:13 unquantized: soundness is validity + truth, not mere consistency
10:18 VeganPow: Even that vegan debater was smarter Kantian *SunglassesAndSmokingPepe*
hhurlbutt: I'm a robot
10:28 misterpoopysnail: you are a man child tho, you behave like one
10:43 lavarasonjamar: Okay bro no one is grown
10:51 vigilvindexx: As if Rem cares about the truth. Rem is a nobody, who calls one of the most famous philosophers of history "just a poet". Straight out of his ass.
10:52 BluffMallard: Fake Hegelian *cap*
10:59 atankiesheep: This is gonna be a dank clip
12:51 After Infrared turns mic down for Rem: exploot_jpg: way better actually lol
freckledgraymane: "you are a dips**t" "that's not true" "what is truth"
13:02 mercurial_atom: Crystal clear *ok-sign*
13:35 Some people want bass-gained mic back and one miss it.
15:20 limerickpoem: This guy apparently got a BA in Philosophy. Sad state of affairs.
15:48 hopscatchoblivion: MANCHILD *during Rem being loud*
15:57 hopscatchoblivion: REM IS A MANCHILD
18:18 thejokethatkills: Wow all these guys on Twitch are the same
27:39 Lazu1e: I think Rem have a high degree of autism btw. Non-ironical.
28:22 Twitch-Comments: RemTheBathBoi said, he has autism. That's why he's rude and socially bad.
28:31 Haz: Ordinary-language-philosophy is self-contradictory at terms.
28:41 OfficiallyJED: Chat just calling Rem names, can't follow along lol
m0usetan: TRUE
28:59 Haz: For me, philosophy e DS with Hegel.
Calramorn: @Lazu1e "the world will keep existing" cant know that outside of experience
t0rment1337: Analytical Philosophy is over
29:08 VeganPow: Rembros in denial *fatPepeTeethSmile*
59:40 mercurial_atom: @presidentsunday Yep, I am especially interested if he knows about Clifford Bates *cap*
59:54 VeganPow: Anna Khackiyan is Kantian, she crafts her takes to trigger libs *Fatwhitedrawingwhiteboard*
59:55 bordigalover406: The neo-rats are post-Kantian, Haz. You can name those ones.
1:00:49 Mad3line13: Dude everyone knows this
1:00:50 Lazu1e: @Lazu1e *zoomedAudiencemanlaugh*
1:01:08 Rem: ?: I would call myself a dual aspect interpreter of Kant.
1:01:12 fffeifjewoifjoiewfjiow: Nick Mullen is a Kantian
1:01:15 fogj24: Omar T. Khachouf is a Kantian who utilizes "Transcendental Structure"
1:01:19 Lazu1e: Rem = Insane
1:01:21 VeganPow: Funko pop collectors are Kantian *whiteCatholdingblackshield*
1:01:23 benignentity: LARP
1:01:26 0zym4nd1u5: No its true. You either believe in death penalty or you dont.
1:01:46 CaptainKantw: He immediately said he chooses to read it differently...
1:01:52 anomaly2595: These guys not speaking English lol
1:02:01 mercurial_atom: @presidentsunday *DarkPepeRedLipTeeth* Haz has the idea of the polity as central to his analysis of politics
1:02:17 Lazu1e: @InfraredShow Rem believes the world doesnt exist if humans dont exist btw I have the clip of him saying that, He believes in unironic Cartesian Dualism "Carthesian Daulism". He is insane. Mental.
1:02:24 0zym4nd1u5: Solipsism
1:02:24 Haz: (Kant) He's not allowing us or permitting us to speak about it or have knowledge of it, but he is acknowledging that that threshold is there.
1:02:31 vigilvindexx: Haz has patient of a saint. Seriously I would ban this guy after he said:"people think I am being serious".
1:02:39 BatinalsHeaven: @Lazu1e LMAO seriously? post it on the Reddit.
1:03:06 Hipsco: @anomaly2595 I'll try to explain in my own words: Kant would say that we can experience an object being red; we know what red is, as people. But the object in itself is completely unknowable to us. Because what the f*** is the thing actually.
1:03:25 Haz: (Kant) He's refusing us. Rem:... Haz: Yes. He's not allowing us to speak about what it is in itself.
1:03:31 benignentity: how can the unknowable be measured empirically? ...
xLATCHMEREx: Kant says that thing in itself "iyself" is a positive limitation, not merely a negative one
1:03:34 Haz: So we are not allowed then we are not allowed to say that the content of our experience is all that exists. We are not allowed to say that. Kant is not a solipsist.
1:03:35 pingtest: haz powering up
1:03:58 fffeifjewoifjoiewfjiow: @InfraredShow To win this debate you just need to share screen and pull up the astrology charts
1:04:03 0zym4nd1u5: Its like the romance language of philosophers
1:04:18 VeganPow: DEFINE CATEGORY *whitefatdfawingwhiteboard*
1:04:35 bordigalover406: Rem was educated on Kant in Anglo academia. That's why he brings up people like Bradley and tries to neuter Kant
1:04:42 liquid_chess: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1:04:45 hazalinarmybeloved: "Kant was an empiricist" *oval-openWojak*
1:05:26 0zym4nd1u5: Which is why Kant defines morals as obtuse
ARedAmbience: got em
anomaly2595: REM is dumb
chiitoitsu: @etuthagod rem baited him
... Light is transparent and colourless. "Red" is produced in perception. The speed of light decieved the "eye." Vision is silent. ...
CaptainKarite: Rem is an idiot ...
hazalinarmybeloved: what about aesthetics?, this dude is beyond stupid
1:05:30 3milhouseinweho: Haz, you could be gaming in the zherka Royale. "GOTTA GO, BYE BISH."
1:05:43 Haz: Kant's position is agnostic. It means that we can never be fully certain about anything.
1:05:48 That's why Kant says that the whole aim of his philosophy is to reconcile the uh whatever the religious feeling within and the starry heavens above.
1:06:10 lumitopia: This debate is way more interesting than anything on Zherka's show, no offense
1:06:46 roksov: You can define the negative by what's is not. Literally the building block of being.
1:06:50 Lazu1e: all kant does legit is physics for most of his book ngl lol
1:07:01 barcode_i: @InfraredShow no the debator is correct.
hazalinarmybeloved: it's not just Haz interpretation you moron
1:07:09 Lazu1e: @barcode_i no he aint
1:07:18 jotaharo: All this debate is just so they can find a way of reasoning they agree on *LightBrownFaceBlackBeardLaugh*
1:07:28 barcode_i: @Lazu1e yeah he is. Infrared has an elementary understanding of Kant
1:07:33 Lazi1e: Not really
1:15:40 major_brocelot: Rem calls himself a "bordigist" on twitter
1:23:07 Edited or legit: Rem confuses Anti-Rem-statements with homophobia.
1:24:02 sounds like cutted.
1:26:05 2x like "implying that all" X "are" *insert negative from mainstream-media considered discrimination-type* "What the f"***" is wrong with you?"
1:26:46 Hipsco: I hate cowards so much
1:27:25 slowbrojoemama: why dont you just save it???
... cibenonbat: DMCA does not protect your stream what is this dude saying?
1:28:56 m0usetan: Rem = pseudointellectual virtue signaller who namedrops schools of thought he read about for 5 mins on wikipedia instead of developing arguments.
1:29:26 vigilvindexx: That was the worst case of bad faith I witnessed so far.
1:29:32 Vegan: He is not even a nerd. More like drama-queen.
1:30:52 t0rment1337: literally Kant 101
1:30:55 ekeem6767: Kant is agnostic as to whether or not the thing in itself even exists, I believe
1:31:06 baker0209: Why couldn't you say this without screaming? Not a good look. (Commentator to Infrared)
1:33:48 RoamingAge: Looked at Rem's stream. Just realized I went to grade school with him.
1:34:38 RoamingAge: Bullied ppl really do become philosophers.
@beefsteakozzy9117: I was fine with Rem till post-debate acting like he saves face knowing he lost. I got low philosophical understanding and see Rem as subhuman coward.
Archive.fo/2024.08.30/https://youtube.com/watch?v=3fZAgbOPWr8&pp=ygUWSW5mcmFyZWQgdnMgcmVtIGRlYmF0ZQ%3D%3D : from 1:10:49 at archive.fo/2024.08.30//https://youtube.com/watch?v=QGs1wOpUP_Y : barcode_i defends Rem.
3:02 Lazu1e: he is mentally not well dude, legit he has admitted this @InfraredShow
3:05 lumitopia: He left at such a weird moment
3:08 VermillionSun: @barcode_i if he was winning, why run?