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[–]nearlynorth 240 points241 points  (35 children)

It's troubling to me how people, even here.. are warming up to such content. You can see it when people describe shows with the sentient of "It's not that bad" "sure, it has some woke elements but.." "at least it wasn't as terrible as [insert another even woker show]"

People need to stop judging woke content in a vacuum or against other woke content. Compare woke stuff to content made a few decades ago and you'll see a huge difference. There's enough great older entertainment to last you forever.

[–]Judah_Earl 167 points168 points  (0 children)

It's the 'force behavior' Blackrock was talking about.

[–]Modern_Maverick 53 points54 points  (2 children)

I agree. People are falling for the modern process where they take 2 steps forward and "allow" themselves to be pushed 1 step back, pretend to agree to where they are, then immediately take another 2 steps forward.

[–]mrmensplights 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Overton window and how to move it. Take extreme position in bad faith but pretend to be doing so in good faith, most normies compromise between existing position and extreme position to keep peace. Now compromise is new existing position. Repeat.

[–]Modern_Maverick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I couldn't remember the name of it.

[–]Ywaina 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Thing is for most people they're starved for new things and when the only new things that get made are woke, well, you convince yourself they're not woke or you don't consume new "entertainment" at all. 

Another thing is peer pressure. When your friends talk about something and you're out of the loop, you feel like black sheep. It's not a great feeling, being black sheep. 

Of course I don't really care for it either way, I've stopped watching hollywood since aeons ago, dropped netflix ever since the bastardization of witcher and never in my wildest dream would sub for Disney. My backlog is massive and I'm content.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Growing up is realizing that while one may have a friend sharing similar tastes you can't expect them to like the same things back too like i personally find it all the best to be cut off if you are viewed as the blacksheep just beacuse you don't like woke stuff.

[–]FreeHongKong2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea me and my mates are used to streaming movies to watch together on Discord and i pretty much decline all the new stuff and it's landed me the "negative guy" which is fine atleast im not watching MCU or garbage remake of old classic #761.

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    [–]Voodron 64 points65 points  (9 children)

    Yeah I usually agree with Drinker but I really don't get his take on Fallout.

    Dude dumped all over Westworld season 2, which to be fair was quite woke for its time. And now he's fine with Fallout, which is even more woke by comparison. Looks like his standards are slipping unfortunately. 

    [–]Ecstatic_Act4586 41 points42 points  (4 children)

    To be honest, I heard his review, and all I though is "they got to him". Then I started wondering if he was allowed to do those critics, and not be banned, because he's been controlled opposition all along, and was meant to eventually "come around".
    I mean, I'm still going to look at his videos for now, but I completely disagree with him on his take. If his future video then also diverge from my opinion, then it's simple, EGS plant or not, he becomes useless to me as a reference.

    [–]Halos-117 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    There were a few videos a while back where I felt the same "they got to him" vibes. It seems like he's easing up on them too much. It's fine he's allowed to have different opinions but I too will stop following him if he becomes just another shill. I already look to Nerdrotic and Disparu more than the Drinker because both of them don't seem to give in to anything yet. They call out the BS.

    [–]MazInger-Z 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    "they got to him"

    He's desperate to turn his own shit into mainstream accessible, he will eventually have to "play ball" and "kiss the ring" to be allowed to.

    That's the problem with alternative media. It will never be mainstream without compromise. You either have to be willing to accept the glass ceiling or sell out.

    [–]TheRoofyDude 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    He is releasing an action movie and best platform will be prime for it, so he can't afford to piss them off ig

    [–]MazInger-Z 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This is the right answer.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    These people are literal npcs in the reverse kind of way.

    [–]CrustyBloke 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    There's really no reason to buy new media anymore. I'll keep an open mind for the rare occasion that something good (like Godzilla Minus One) comes along, but otherwise I see no point. I have accumulated so many older movies and tv shows on dvd/blu-ray at good prices by checking slickdeals and my local good will stores. And there is also the trend of older movies getting restored and released on 4k; to me these are like brand new releases. You can also buy seasons of older sitcoms digitally on sale at fairly steep discounts on Vudu. I am primarily a physical media person; but if I can get the entire series of an old show for like $20, I'm not averse to occasionally doing that (and I have the expectation that it can be taken away at some point in the future, so I don't spend too much).

    [–]fxn 42 points43 points  (1 child)

    It's troubling to me how people, even here.. are warming up to such content.

    These people either:

    • were never anti-woke to begin with and are here to muddy the waters;
    • put on blinders when their pet hobby is in the crosshair; or
    • are too naive to think that zealous activists will ever yield.

    Modern media does not entertain. It exists to shame and humiliate people into conforming to the orthodoxy of intersectional feminism and it's satellite ideologies. All of our hobbies are meant to conform such that one of two outcomes happens: you're molded into a "good little feminist baby" or you're driven politically right. Both are a win for the orthodoxy. The former is another cowed consumer feeding from the slop trough of self-aggrandizing elitists. The latter, because it continues to justify and empower the continued existence of the Orthodoxy. They are a cure that is worse than the disease.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    1)Those are called grifters using whatever flavor is going to give them clout the most.

    2 and 3) Pure denialism and delusion at its best honestly.

    [–]Boxing_joshing111 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    There’s a really great Tarantino panel where he talks about breaking into a creative industry that always stuck with me. His advice was “Make Reservoir Dogs.” Robert Rodruiguez was on the panel next to him and said that seemed like a dickish answer but Tarantino explained: Put so much effort and love and time into something that people just can’t deny it. Robert said how is it supposed to stand out when there’s so many movies coming out, even then technology was making it easier to make a movie on a budget, but Quentin said that’s just waves crashing on the beach, nobody cares, make something monumental and people will care.

    Eventually people will get so used to watered down entertainment that when someone does do what Quentin said and makes something people can connect to again it will feel like a revolution, and cause a sea change for the industry. I think we’re going through a dark time but the creatives will pull us out of it if we give them the chance.

    [–]LostWanderer88 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    I'm guilty of doing so with Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, but truth to be told, I enjoyed the main story because your main character becomes more and more powerful, to the point that you stop caring about the girlbosses, and you are able to deal with them on the same ground. I liked that

    But yes, Pathfinder (not owned by Owlcat, the game devs) is woke on par with D&D. It's just that it didn't break my enjoyment or the core experience

    The custodes on the other hand, were a central piece of the lore in W40K. I don't accept including female custodes even with a more elaborated narrative, like many normies pretend. It will affect a central element of the game

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      [–]Talzeron 41 points42 points  (3 children)

      Again, wokeness is usually only a problem for people if the product itself is shit anyway. Then they'll endless complain about the damn wokeness!!! but if they like the product they are usually taking the "It's not so bad, it's just in the beginning, it's not as woke as XYZ" route.

      [–]JohnTRexton 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      I certainly would prefer more people being willing to admit something has woke elements even if they like it or think it's well made. One I won't forget is Nerdrotic saying Spider-man: No Way Home is specifically not woke and that's a reason to go see it. It was usually the first thing he would say when talking about it. I like the movie fine, but to say it's not woke is just wrong.

      [–]DrunkTsundere 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I hate that new Three Body Problem adaptation on Netflix for that reason. It's like my favorite book ever, and so of course I have to watch it. And it's good! Like, they really knocked it out of the park.

      But at the same time, they race or gender swapped like every main character. They put every character into an interracial relationship. One of the characters has a son who's gay for some reason, who didn't exist in the books.

      And yet despite all this, it's good, and I still want to like it. Fuck me, right?

      [–]CoffeeMen24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Comics Code Authority. Hayes Code.

      The reality is that good to great works could still be produced under censorship regimes.

      It is not an endorsement of those censorship regimes. The Soviet Union should not be praised for Andrei Tarkovsky.

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          [–]AboveSkies[S] 109 points110 points  (3 children)

          To add, the irony that to combat what they believed to be "systemic racism" and "institutional racism" which allowed for productions like The Bill Cosby Show, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, The Wire and movies like Blade, Bad Boys, American Gangster, Loaded Weapon, Shaft, The Shawshank Redemption, Rush Hour etc. they actually created a system that is by very definition systemic or institutionally racist will never be lost on me.

          [–]Total-Introduction32 74 points75 points  (1 child)

          "You can't be racist against white people!"

          [–]schnauzzer 35 points36 points  (0 children)

          Position of power something something

          [–]CrustyBloke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Since you mentioned old shows, when I was kid my source of entertainment during summer vacations was often watching re-reruns old sitcoms. I am white and lived in a rural area. One of the shows I liked was Good Times, which was about a black family living in the projects. There were occasionally some "black issue" type moments and dialogue, but the show and the characters always felt completely relatable because at its core was just about a family with good family values dealing with the same types of problems a lot of other families dealt with. The father in the show was a tough man who, despite the often difficult circumstances he often dealt with, worked hard for his family. I also watched some of the other shows you mentioned and admired Uncle Phil and Carl Winslow.

          There have been great shows with minorities, and great shows with almost exclusively minorities appealed to everyone (including white people). The entertainment industry is just pushing woke shit and then claims you must be racist if you don't like their woke shit.

          [–]Judah_Earl 67 points68 points  (1 child)

          Woke-shit with sugar on it is still woke-shit.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          And stuff with sugar can lead to literal diabeetus and its still not good for you.

          [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (1 child)

          Stockholm syndrome

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          You have no idea how many women i've seen online that have that to the point i just pretty much give up on them because they still are super naive.

          [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

          This is the most racist and ideologically flawed list of requirements I've ever seen. When did these "requirements" really become an industry-wide thing?

          [–]dizney-mountain 37 points38 points  (1 child)

          I'd reckon around the Summer of Floyd, hysterical people have made some really awful decisions.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          The summer of floyd made me pretty much stoped being a weeb for a while because i didn't want to support anyone who was supporting criminals like that.

          [–]mars_rovinator 73 points74 points  (17 children)

          I keep hearing this or that new show isn't woke... For the first two episodes.

          They hook you, then they bring in the bullshit. I'm so over it. 

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            [–][deleted] -33 points-32 points  (8 children)

            Have you thought about not quitting if you don't want to?

            Woke was supposed to be toxic because it hindered quality and was a turn off for people that just wanted to disconnect from real life politics and now it's like people are forced to scrutinize every little thing with a microscope, do research in the backscene and refuse to consume anything barely related even if they like the content so you can help with the crusade.

            Why people who just wanted to run away from politics are full activists now?

            [–]mars_rovinator 13 points14 points  (7 children)

            Why people who just wanted to run away from politics are full activists now?

            Because everyone has their limit.

            Everyone.

            The nicest, most tolerant, most accommodating people are the scariest when finally pushed past their limit. We're done being nice. We're done being tolerant. We're done being accommodating. We're giving back exactly what's been dumped on us, against our will, without our consent, for decades now. Wokeism is nothing new. It's been around since before you were born.

            Watch a popular TV show from the seventies. It's full of woke propaganda. It's full of messaging designed to manipulate and control the beliefs and opinions of the viewer. It's toxic mind poison to the average person, who is oblivious to the mechanisms by which their own mind is subtly and slowly changed until they agree with the prevailing orthodoxy, seemingly by choice.

            We're the nicest fucking people on the planet. We've let our homelands be overrun with foreigners who hate us. We've let our history be darkwashed and erased and rewritten. We've let our own ancestry be demonized and turned into something filthy and disgusting, something for which we must feel lifelong shame and self-hatred. We've let our culture be dismantled and deconstructed until there's practically nothing left to salvage. We've let our women be turned into cunts our men be turned into effeminate pussies. We've let our entire existence be corrupted and perverted by people who fucking despise us and are intentionally leading us by the hand into our own total self-annihilation.

            And we're tired of it.

            The nicest people are the most terrifying when pushed past our limit - and everyone has their limit. We don't want to be activists. We became activists to counter the psychotic religious zealots who are hellbent on destroying our entire fucking way of life so they can feel better about adopting a religious doctrine that tells them to obliterate themselves for the greater good.

            [–][deleted] -16 points-15 points  (6 children)

            Bro, do you really believe what you have just written? Literally is the same argument of woke people, you just have to change "woke" and all that for "sexism", "toxic masculinity", "gender conformity", "homophia and racial repression" or whatever fits better. All rhetorics and thoughts that are considered to be imposed by our society, just like you say.

            You are just heavily entitled to your specific doctrine, which is clearly based on a strong conservatism according to your points, that apparently was fed to you before the seventies or by other channels that you don't consider your standard popular TV show.

            Please, just try to not be an unhinged parody of your archetype.It's not that hard.

            Edit:

            The nicest people are the most terrifying when pushed past our limit 

            And honestly, you saying this repeatedly sounds like a poor preparation of an excuse to justify yourself for behaving like a freaking animal.... Are you planning a shootout? Who are you going to terrorize?

            [–]mars_rovinator 8 points9 points  (5 children)

            You clearly don't understand human psychology, or why there has been so much aggressive backlash against wokeism.

            Keep telling yourself that we're impotent and meaningless. Keep telling yourself that you can take giant, steaming shits on our heads over and over and over, and we'll just keep taking it until we finally reach the blissful release of death.

            Or, you could always learn from actual real-world history, and understand that when you destroy a civilization by dogged subversive force, the members of that civilization eventually bite back, and the longer it takes them to bite back, the harder they're going to bite.

            When the collective limit of white pepole reaches critical mass, world wars happen, borders are redrawn, and millions die in the chaos of a war that nobody wanted, but was forced into existence by genocidal psychopaths.

            Now shoo. You're in the wrong sub. You don't belong here. The rest of reddit exists for your benefit. Go there.

            [–][deleted] -10 points-9 points  (4 children)

            You clearly don't understand human psychology

            That's funny.

            Keep telling yourself that we're impotent and meaningless. Keep telling yourself that you can take giant, steaming shits on our heads over and over and over, and we'll just keep taking it until we finally reach the blissful release of death.

            Impotent? Meaningless? I only feel aggraviated by unhinged morons coming from "both sides" uncapable of any critical thought and self-reflection that escapes the given box that fits their imperious needs of victimization and confrontation to deal with their frustration with everyday life. Or just to feel smarter and part of something bigger because they are self-conscious and/or social outcasts.

            Sorry for that, I guess.

            When the collective limit of white pepole reaches critical mass, world wars happen, borders are redrawn, and millions die in the chaos of a war that nobody wanted, but was forced into existence by genocidal psychopaths.

            I'm pretty sure you dream about taking a gun to defend your borders, mate.

            Now shoo. You're in the wrong sub. You don't belong here. The rest of reddit exists for your benefit. Go there.

            Sorry for disturbing your happy place where you can get mad at shit everyday and people doesn't look weird at you for speaking your mind. You can go on.

            [–]mars_rovinator 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            I'm pretty sure you dream about taking a gun to defend your borders, mate.

            You say this like it's a bad thing. I love my nation, my homeland, and my people. I will die to defend my nation, my homeland, and my people. That's a very noble thing.

            Hating yourself and celebrating the destruction of your nation, homeland, and people is a grotesque and disgusting dogma.

            You really get off on harassing people above your station, don't you? It's why you're seething with jealousy and rage, and why you have to insult me to make yourself feel better.

            YOU will roll over when foreigners invade your home and make you their slave. You subconsciously despise yourself for being so craven and cowed, and it shows.

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            [–]Erwinblackthorn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            That's funny.

            Funny because it's true?

            I only feel aggraviated by unhinged morons coming from "both sides" uncapable of any critical thought and self-reflection that escapes the given box that fits their imperious needs of victimization and confrontation to deal with their frustration with everyday life. Or just to feel smarter and part of something bigger because they are self-conscious and/or social outcasts.

            Mad at people who are fed up with an institution kicking them around. I remember there was a word for that when it was specifically blacks and women, but I guess you're only fine when it's groups you find trendy.

            At least you reveal your intentions every interaction. The part where you announced you're anti-borders is a hoot. We're all confident that you live a poor life in the slums where illegals run rampant.

            It's not like you're a champagne socialist or anything...

            [–]Joejoe582 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            For All Mankind says hi.

            That show has a pilot that feels like an 80s movie, then the feminist agenda kicks in. It should be called "For Womankind".

            [–]Large_Pool_7013 27 points28 points  (1 child)

            I haven't watch a TV show in years.

            [–]dizney-mountain 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            I mostly just watch TV/movies from a few years ago now. I'm sure as fuck not supporting netflix/amazon/hulu.

            [–]Augustus1274 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            The show with black Russian characters is British. I honestly think Britain is worse than America with this stuff. They are certainly by far the worst in Europe and no other Euro country comes close.

            [–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (5 children)

            The amount of people on here, getting comfy and cuddling up to the stuff that netflix and amazon makes really is beyond depressing.

            [–]Drogvard 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Tbf, it's a 2024 reddit "anti-woke" community. That's essentially an oxymoron.

            The platform itself filters out most people that aren't extraordinarily malleable. Slow conversion through maniputed groupthink has always been why they allow this place to exist.

            [–]Kevroeques 23 points24 points  (2 children)

            Getting used to being viewed as hogs, then getting hungry for slop

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            that sounds like a terrible way to live

            [–]Kevroeques 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            That’s modern entertainment conditioning.

            [–]Yam0048 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            If you overrepresent the underrepresented groups by making them 50% of what's represented... is that a paradox?

            [–]NGAnime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Great post. It serves as a great reminder of the inherent core of these entertainment products, and that with such a core it is by definition propaganda. It might be entertaining propaganda, extremely well made propaganda, but we must still take issue with the fact of it being propaganda. Until the companies drop these quotas, and the creators themselves stop using quotas, it's important to call it out and reject the product. Even if the mandates weren't explicitly worded by the companies, a good rule of thumb is if it Includes something that wasn't mainstream in the 20th century then they are definitely trying to social engineer you.

            [–]Drogvard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            There have always been two kinds of people here. Those that have a problem with the propaganda itself and those who merely have a problem with the quality of the propaganda.

            There are legitimately some people who think stuff can't be woke if they like it no matter how much evidence you present them. They essentially just use it as a synonym for things they think are bad.

            That's why I stopped listening to KIA claims of "not woke". It's almost always copium bs from a starved audience that just doesn't care about their alleged principles anymore.

            [–]Lizard_myth_enjoyer 36 points37 points  (11 children)

            Its hilarious how often a new thing is claimed to be apolitical then when you go see it it is 100% political but even people here say its fine and doesnt push the woke. I mean fuck me Fallout is very woke and deliberately shits all over New Vegas because they hate the fact NV was the best fallout.

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Fallout new vegas is one of the most reddit pandering games i see long with portal 2 and suda51 and swery and the uchoski games if you ask me.

            [–]sammakkovelho 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            The fact that these policies even exist is peak clown world nonsense. And to think that people still tout the old "it's not woke just because it has x kind of person in it" mantra even with these in place and so publicly stated.

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              [–]tyranicalmoon 32 points33 points  (0 children)

              Yeah most people don't want to understand that these corporations do not need to tell The Message anymore, because The Message has already been received and applied...

              BEHIND THE SCREEN.

              WHERE ACTUAL JOB POLICIES DECIDE YOUR FUTURE.

              AND THE FUTURE OF YOUR CHILDREN.

              As long as you support these products, even if The Message is less overt and more insidious and palatable (which they warned us they would do once they realized that the backlash was getting stronger and stronger), as long as you support these products you are supporting driving males, especially white males, out of a job, with a ripple effect over other industries, not just entertainment (and how ironical it is when you see it in products in which this exact demographic is the largest consumer base).

              [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              It is easy to tell. Just compare you average asian show to an american show and you can tell the difference right away. That's why I jumped into asian entertainment years ago.

              [–]Total-Introduction32 30 points31 points  (0 children)

              Thank you. If you watch these shows and pay for them, you are simply funneling more money to DEI bureaucracies, regardless of how woke or not the show's story is. Also notice that these rules simply exclude a lot of types of shows from being made. Even the settings and stories need to be selected in such a way that they can accommodate "diversity" (or they just force it in regardless where it doesn't fit, like in the Witcher or Rings of Power).

              [–]omegaphallic 16 points17 points  (1 child)

               I feel tired.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              we all are

              [–]Daman_1985 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              When people starts saying "This show/comic/Videogame it's not woke" it's another reason for me to not see those products. Result of a lot of experience with similar cases.

              [–]Runsta 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              I just don't watch western corporate TV. The most recently produced show I watched was Game of Thrones, and I could only stomach through season 5. There just isn't anything being produced worth a damn, and I'd rather go digging through the last 80 years of content than watch something modern. Until I see something change in leftist culture, I refuse to engage, including pirating their trash. Closest I'll get is listen to reviewers talk about it just so I can get a barometer of what's going on. Even then, it seems there is a hunger for good content so anything that would have been considered mediocre 20 years ago stands out, which is all it needs to be accepted by people.

              [–]ThatGuy1571 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I refuse to engage, including pirating their trash.

              They are solving the piracy problem by only producing content that is not even worth pirating. Modern problems require modern solutions!

              [–]Erwinblackthorn 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              I'll believe those people once they remove the gay couple from Turbo Tax of all things.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              That is exactly how I head canon all of my Mikhail Fyodorovich Mindiches. LOL.

              That looks fucking absurd.

              [–]REM777 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              (D)id not (E)arn (I)t. This is essentially handouts for positions they are not qualified for to write half-baked woke bullshit to get ESG points. Deplorable.

              [–]AceKnight1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I assume it's coping cause drinker said it was a good show.

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                [–]LightningEdge756 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                How the hell hasn't anyone made a website or a simple list that lets you check if a piece of media is woke yet?

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                [–]Stinky_DungBeatle -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

                You see when people say there's a culture war, no there isn't there is no movie/TV culture when Israel funded The Daily Wire is your last bastion and the only option is to run into a bunker to watch 10+ year old shows. They never took over games fully, but every other industry is rotten to the core now we are at the stage of preaching to the choir. Sargon was right.

                And no the in debt Rippaverse (failing and pure shite) and The Critical Drinker's low budget short film are not the answer.

                [–]MasterEsura 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                How is the Rippaverse in debt?

                [–]HangARightAtTheSun -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                It was always weird though to only show white male cis stories. There are so so many. Imagine being none of those things but 90% of what you watch is that and the other 10% is still written by white dudes.

                The last few decades have been seeking to redress that. It's good to have options for everyone up on screen. When you concentrate ideas with people that all exist in a similar world (I include wealth in that, we don't talk enough about class in the creation of media) , creators that all think in similar ways you lose something of humanity and you lose authenticity. Then you have audience members believing views of the world and of ppl that aren't true, they are characatures. White males in tv/film have been shown to be real, flesh and blood people who have agency and everyone else, for a long time in Hollywood, was a characature, empty, vapid and ideas like that harm ppl irl. Everyone should have agency.

                At its simplest, I don't need all my art to be reflections of me. I like to see faces and voices I know little about. And sometimes I realize, maybe, just maybe that tv show just wasn't made for me and thats okay too. Art and creation is surely about expanding our knowledge and understanding of others.

                [–]AboveSkies[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Was it? Do you think it's weird that most Chinese entertainment is full of Chinese people and normal Chinese families? Or Korean, Indian, Turkish, Nigerian etc. in Bollywood/Nollywood? Why exactly should it fall on "Hollywood" specifically to "represent" everyone at the detriment of the majority of the audience/population, and doesn't "overrepresenting" the "underrepresented" to try and portray and make people believe the world is a certain way sound a bit sinister to you?

                [–]BeccaRose1999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The only thing i personally care about is if the characters and story is well written 

                [–]serial_crusher -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

                I try not to let my opinion of the person making a product reflect too hard on my opinion of the product they make. I don’t need the guy bagging my groceries to pass a moral purity test.

                So, I don’t care a lot if somebody woke makes a non-woke show and don’t mind making that show successful. I figure behind the scenes the woke crowd is probably in a battle with execs to make it more woke, so making the product successful without being woke (and then ditching it if it changes for the worse), is ultimately going to encourage the company to stop listening to the woke person and focus on making stuff that’s good.

                [–]Drogvard 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                The person bagging your groceries can't inject his ideology into your cucumbers. The person that writes your shows can insert his ideology into his writing. And pushing propaganda where possible is basically a mandatory part of their ideology.

                Especially now with the platforms demanding it, the theory that they can simply be ignored is completely invalidated. The networks are pushing them to do this. And if the show does not meet some baselines of wokeness, it does not get greenlit.

                [–]serial_crusher 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                The thing is, when they start injecting ideology, you can stop watching the show. Like if the grocery bagger was slipping copies of the communist manifesto into my groceries, I’d start avoiding him too.

                [–]Drogvard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Correction, when you notice them start injecting ideology. Which for many is too late or never. And even then they often take you favorite IPs hostage, which adds more layers of problems such as rationalizations.

                Ultimately, this laissez-faire attitude does nothing but enable. A lot of people are willing to spend a lot of money on lobbying and politics. What makes you think that simply not paying them money is ever gonna dissuade them? Entertainment is after all the juiciest of real estates for them to move into.

                If you don't put bare minimum effort to gatekeep ideologues then you may as well roll out the red carpet for propagandists to completely overhaul these industries. This is a no brainer move for them unless we start finding ways to overhaul their cost benefit calculation.

                [–]pumpandkrump -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

                Say what you will... This Fallout show is pretty damn good. 

                I didn't even mind the they/them character because I'm assuming he or she became a squire just to be a cabin boy. That sweet bussy is a necessity on long missions. And Dane wasn't annoying, at least so far. 

                [–]pumpandkrump -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

                Say what you will... This Fallout show is pretty damn good. 

                I didn't even mind the they/them character because I'm assuming he or she became a squire just to be a cabin boy. That sweet bussy is a necessity on long missions. And Dane wasn't annoying, at least so far.