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[–]99Tinpot 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Possibly, that's one of those 'now you see it, now you don't' things that there are a a lot of things that look as if they might be it but not much that definitely is, but one of Wendy's Twitter postings mentions the Rosicrucians, specifically AMORC, who seem to be the US version. Apparently, the Rosicrucians are odd like that, they've been "revived" several times and it's not certain that the different groups really are connected to each other like they claim to be, and there currently seem to be several groups calling themselves the Rosicrucians. (there may be several organisations calling themselves the Rosicrucians).

Apparently, the Georgia Guidestones, which have been mentioned a lot, have also sometimes been suspected to have been done by the Rosicrucians http://guidestones.org/the-guidestones/blog-rosicrucianism-rc-christian/ - the pseudonym the person who commissioned them used, 'R. C. Christian', might be a pun on 'Rosicrucian' and/or their legendary founder 'Christian Rosenkreutz', and some people have suspected that 'Ricky MacChristen' is a pun on that.

Have you seen the wiki https://sojoanabook.fandom.com/wiki/So_Joana_Book_Wiki ?

[–]QuantamLux[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

So cheeky and clever to use such pseudonyms that all SEEM to relate to each and sound similar, but again might not be. The correlation between these two seem strong with the amount of symbolism and indigenous culture involved. I say indigenous because the Native involvement in free masonry , specifically John Ross Cherokee principle Chief in 1826 who was a Freemason. This could be totally irrelevant but I only hypothesize this due to the Cherokee language,locations over all theme used in the book .

I did not know there was a entire Wiki! I’m exited to dig deeper into this mystery..

Thank you for articles and sharing what you know about this !

[–]99Tinpot 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It seems like, Principal Chief John Ross has been discussed a lot but I had no idea he was a Freemason, good catch, that is a find, I've added that to the wiki!

[–]QuantamLux[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I’m glad to have added something to the pot as a new comer !! I had no idea he was talked about in the book so this seems like a good new lead to research into , I mean the fact he was a Cherokee principal chief says something with the Cherokee language so involved and Him being a high ranking official back then…there’s a connection but just like everything else , what ? principal chief John fought from 1836 till in 1838 the trail of tears truly started, has anyone explored these land marks on foot and reported anything yet ?

Something about this feels truly passionate and emotional for me I’m not sure what it is , I’m indigenous American of the North west tribes and even before I found out sacred landmarks,Remarks, masonry and secret societies, everything that is being discovered really peaks my interest that this leads to something of greater knowledge, wisdom , I’m not really sure but it doesn’t feel bad to my intuition..

Any suggestions where they have brought up Chief John Ross in the wiki ? Or is there a delegated section for this. Either way I will look on my own as I’m dedicated

[–]99Tinpot 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I looked him up in the wiki and it seems that there are actually very few, if any, direct mentions of Chief John Ross in the book or any of the associated things like Ricky MacChristen's YouTube channel, he just keeps coming up indirectly via other things that are mentioned. It seems like, he's been mentioned over and over again by people discussing things in the Discord server, I was quite surprised to see how little he was mentioned in the actual book.

Here's the bit I added to the wiki https://sojoanabook.fandom.com/wiki/Connected_groups#Masons .

1838 and the Trail of Tears are referenced directly in various places.

The 'Jenny' co-ordinate turned out to be the site of a school where Jennie Ross Cobb, his great-granddaughter, used to teach.

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principal chief John fought from 1836 till in 1838 the trail of tears truly started, has anyone explored these land marks on foot and reported anything yet ?

Which landmarks? Or just the landmarks in the co-ordinates list etc. in general? It seems like, it's been mentioned a few times (e.g. by Ricky) that some parts of the puzzle make more sense if you're familiar with the places yourself, so if you can visit some that seems like it might be a good idea - some have been visited by various people, some haven't.

[–]QuantamLux[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All the landmarks in general; a dedicated hike through as much of the 3 trail heads you can possibly walk (specifically the trails and rivers Cherokee nations had taken) From the beginning of all 3 known trail ways they took . I figured this is a solid place to start studying in the book where it’s mentioned , then to set out on foot to the locations to truly explore safely . Even if some parts aren’t mentioned , it could be worth a shot diving deeper through these locations . There was Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Ponca and Ho-Chunk/Winnebago nations that all walked the trail of tears . Though they aren’t mentioned , they were all apart of the removal process.

Now how much Chief Ross has to do with this personally , I don’t think much for he died ages ago obviously;Therefore I hypothesize this is possibly carried on by his later lineage of grandchildren possibly , family friends and fellow masonry brothers in secrecy? Again just a hypothetical theory . But how vague things are mentioned of these figures , the pseudonymous names , yet somehow are indirectly mentions would make sense for it to be of ross lineage , to be so secret and hide the family’s connection over all, whilst vaguely revealing parts of the puzzle through hints at these figures and over all theme . (Again I’m just hypothetically speaking , don’t want to sound like I think I even have the slightest clue , but at this point and being so fresh into the subject I think it’s worth the research) I grabbed 2 Cherokee nation books from my local library that write on the political events that took place leading up to the trail of tears , and the journey it’s self, and one speaks on the events after the Trail of tears and how the cherokee settled into Oklahoma , what did they do after ect . I understand there may be no connection at all but with the amount of rich history in this I can’t see it being a waste for future references.

With the “Jenny” Co-ordinate leading to a school that “jennie” taught at is insane.. Now this could be a long run but what about the “Cherokee princess” remarks , I know this could be something else entirely; His great granddaughters technically would be , Cherokee princess in bloodline technicalities even if the quantum blood levels have decreased through the decades .

[–]99Tinpot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Possibly, I'd thought of that about Jennie Ross Cobb and the 'Cherokee princesses' before - in fact, I'd made a list of 'possible princesses that have been referenced', might post that some time, interesting to know that somebody else doesn't think that that idea is nuts!

You may or may not know that there is technically no such thing as a 'Cherokee princess', as being a chief wasn't a hereditary post. Apparently, the idea of 'Indian princesses' is mostly a mistake that grew up from European settlers assuming that it worked like it did in Europe, where leaders usually were leaders by right of who they were descended from!

(It seems like, referencing things that aren't true or might not be true but are famous - not just what's actually true about something but its reputation and the myths that there are about it - is par for the course with the So Joana Book, maybe the idea in this case is that the famous misconceptions there are about something can also have their effects and are also part of the landscape).

So maybe the only valid definition of 'Cherokee princess' here is 'people who would be princesses if it worked the way Europeans used to think it did'. Which would include Jennie Ross Cobb (possibly).

[–]Stoplight25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the wiki has a lot of info that cant be found here on the reddit, especially on the pages. Also on the wiki you should find a link to my google earth file

[–]Stoplight25 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I dont know of any good sources but it comes up a lot. Compass roses also have rosicrucian origins

[–]99Tinpot 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Really?

[–]Stoplight25 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Thats why they are called ‘compass roses’ after all

[–]99Tinpot 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Isn't that just because of the shape? Apparently, compass roses have been around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_rose#Depiction_on_nautical_charts since long before the Rosicrucians are usually said to have existed - but while looking that up I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism#Modern_groups , so evidently they have been known to use them to represent their order even if they didn't invent them.

[–]QuantamLux[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pietro Vesconte drew a depiction of the compass rose in 1311, According to the Rosicrucian fellowship, rosicrucian order was founded in 1313. Composed of 12 exalted beings , gathered around a 13th, good ol Christian Rosenkreuz. Early 32 wind compass in 1325 . The way they all seemed to have been invented around the same time is pretty coincidental, possibly relevant , especially with the amount of geographic knowledge seen in the book .

[–]99Tinpot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Possibly, that's what I mean by 'long before the Rosicrucians are usually said to have existed' - according to Wikipedia, the first public mention of the Rosicrucians is from 1610, and the usual view is that they were making it up about having existed in secret since the 1300s (allegedly, their account of it contains so much symbolism that people suspect it's an allegory) - but they might be, and the time they claim to have been founded does fit rather neatly with the compass rose - anyhow, even if they didn't invent it, it would be surprising if they hadn't used it as a symbol at some point, and in fact they apparently have, so that might be something the people who made the book had in mind.