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[–]Lucina18Researching [REDACTED] square 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Yeah why didn't they just not ally with the entente and still get occupied???

[–]Libyan_lad[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, the Senussis in Libya allied with the Ottomans but got colonised too

Arabs just can't stop losing πŸ”₯

[–]StableSlight9168 45 points46 points  (3 children)

As usual Britain sucked but the Arabs did not betray turkey anymore than the Indians betrayed Britain.

The Arabs wanted more independence and turkey was not granting them autonomy and was pretty Turkish supremacist e.g. Armenian genocide.

[–]Kernanshaw01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the Arabs weren’t a monolith, Arab nationalism took many different forms with many different goals and not all Arabs were Arab nationalists either. The Ottomans by the end were Islamic supremacists first, Turkish supremacists second. That’s why they only targeted Christian groups like Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians but not Muslim groups like the Kurds and Circassians some of which even actively supported the genocides

[–]nametag23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also note alot of this not mentioned is that more Arabs fought for the turks than against them during ww1. Only a few thousand actually rebelled. They leaked info and damaged supply roits, and did assassinations which gave the British a major advantage. As they did all this and disappeared into the normal Arab population.

[–]Libyan_lad[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That I don't deny, I just find it ironic how it seemed they fought the Ottomans the same republican-revolutionary way Kemalists did, only to themselves found their own monarchies and caliphate

[–]ribi_jd20 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Any context? Who exactly was invaded by Saudi Arabia?

[–]Hyo38 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That would be the Kingdom of Hedjaz, what was basically the western coast of Saudi Arabia now.

[–]Libyan_lad[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Ok this is all off the top of my head so forgive me if I forget something.

During the great Arab revolt, Arab nationalists, led by the House of Hashim (the Sharifs of Mecca), revolted against the Ottoman Empire, at the time also Caliphs of Sunni Islam, with support of the British and French, who promised them pretty much all of Arabia. After the revolt however, the Hashemites only got Transjordan (modern day Jordan), Iraq and Hejaz (modern day western Saudi Arabia) as separate Monarchies. Hejaz was ruled by the Sharif of Mecca, the other two by his sons. While Transjordan and Iraq were under British mandates, Hejaz was formally independent, although still considered part of Britain's sphere of influence. After AtatΓΌrk abolished the caliphate in Turkey, the King of Hejaz made himself caliph, but nobody except his sons recognized him. One year later, the Kingdom of Nejd (ruled by the House of Saud) annexed Hijaz without continuing the caliphate, as Wahhabism, the religious movement they were part of, rejects caliphates altogether

[–]ribi_jd20 7 points8 points  (1 child)

OK damn a Lotta stuff happened in the inter war period in the middle east huh.

[–]senior_cynicKilroy was here 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And this was before oil discoveries pumped insane money into the region

[–]Kaiisim 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Wonder if OP has an agenda~

[–]Libyan_lad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ummah is being divided and weakened by those who collaborate with the west killing Muslims abroad and the east killing the Muslims of their countries

I mean uhh grrr I hate RWBY GIFs

[–]No-Effective388 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They had the opportunity for an independent state, but they did make some big mistakes in allying with the British. 

[–]Odiumhumanigeneris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ottoman execution of proto-Wahabbist rebels by playing classical Ottoman palace music with an "orchestra", for the rebels deem instrumental music "haram", and Ottos are masters of adding insult to injury vibes escalate

[–]mohamedornn 0 points1 point  (4 children)

the ottoman were barely an islamic country.

[–]TPasha444 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

By what metric

[–]mohamedornn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

by islam, they were becoming seculars, removed the sultan, and other things.

[–]TPasha444 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That was the Turkish republic not the Ottoman Empire

[–]mohamedornn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the young turks were already starting the westernization of the country.

the whole point of khelafa is that all muslims should be ruled by the charia.