It's this that makes me struggle so hard with the solution of dissolving/erasing Medinat Yisrael, despite how far-right the governing body is and their policies. I am opposed to colonization and assimilation, so I also cannot accept Arab colonization of the Levant by finishing the goal of eroding Jewish peoplehood and self-determination.
While a unified and democratic Israel-Palestine, or a confederation like A Land for All envisions, would be amazing - it cannot currently happen when the ruling power in Gaza and the wider Arab world explicitly state they want to complete an Arab Caliphate and subjugate Jews and other ethnic minorities. And that emptituous for domination is what, in turn, radicalizes Israelis, feeding the cycle of radicalization of both Palestinians and Israelis.
Child, spend some time researching before showing your entire butthole on the internet 💀
As an ACTUAL ISRAELI (we exist, hi. And we might know our government better than diaspora Jews. I don't get why you keep talking over us. And let's hope you at least say factual things, but you're also wrong. So let's get things straight:
"despite how far-right the governing body is and their policies".
- Even if the government was far right, since when is that a reason to dismantle a country? Are you also for dismantling Iran, Italy and the US? Or is the only Jewish state the only country we can have a nice little academic debate about wether or not we should dismantle? From the diaspora no less! And what would happen to your 8 million Jewish siblings? Or are we a small enough sacrifice on the altar of being a good Jew and getting your goyiche followers to like you? Disgraceful and a shame a Jew even lets themselves think that, let alone speak it on the internet.
- The Israeli "National Emergency government" consistent of Likud, HaTzionut Hadatit, Otzma Yehudit, Shas, Yehadut HaTorah, HaMakhane HaMamlakhty (Benny Gantz's party) and Hayamin HaMamlakhty (Gideon Sa'ar's party). Despite what Al Jazeera told you, none of those parties apart from HaTzionut Hadatit and Otzma Yehudit are even fully right wing. They're center, or slightly right of center. Not far right. The only two actually right wing parties have, together, 14 MKs. The coalition is about 70 people. Are 14/70 enough to render the entire government far right? I highly doubt it. Unless you have no Integrity.
- Smotrich— the big bad kahanist boogeyman— is promoting, in his finance office, a plan where 3M NIS, out of the taxpayer's pockets, would go to ensure humanitarian aid to Gazans. In the middle of the war. With our own hostages starving. And Israel has the right to delay aid going into Aza, according to international law. Is that a far right policy in your little lalaland? Because it seems painfully lefty to me.
- "Far right government" "far right policy". Please, name one. Back your buzzwords. Or shut up and let people who know what's going on talk.
Ps: “A Land for All” is a nice bedtime story. The rest of us live in reality, where Hamas still exists, Jews still get murdered, and coexistence doesn’t come from fairy dust and thinkpieces. I’d explain more, but I’m at the bus stop—some of us have jobs, unlike the people fantasizing about almost dissolving countries they’ve never set foot in.
people really need to read likud’s platform and also realize israel is a parliamentary republic, which means coalitions are necessary but anyway listen to israelis
i’m a wordy bitch tho so:
which right wing policies? improving access to abortion? appointing the first gay MPs? acknowledging reform and conservative conversions for aliyah? making the age for marriage 18 (it was originally 17)? access to HRT through national socialized health? changing gender on ids without being on HRT? the idf acknowledging same gender partners and spouses of soldiers? nearly all of this was implemented under this “right wing government.” soooo????
are there weird laws in israel? yeah but there are weird laws everywhere, in every single country, and i dont see anyone saying japan or sweden should be destroyed as states. it’s also extremely short sighted, naive, and offensive to say israel and palestine should somehow combine, especially when you already acknowledge what the goal of the palestinian nationalist project is.
btw compared to america, israel’s current coalition is barely even centrist. likud is not right wing, it’s centrist by israel’s standards. itamar ben gvir is barely right wing in comparison to american right wing politicians and the israeli right wing that exists was formed for very different reasons, in very different contexts. israel is also a democratic country with elections and they have had terrible leftist PMs and presidents and good centrist pms and presidents because that is how it works in countries where you fucking vote.
stop generalizing when you know nothing.
sorry liori 😭 i had to add
Israel isn’t perfect but it sure as hell does better than many other countries.
Patent applications, a decent indicator for ingenuity and invention? (These are absolute numbers, not per million people or whatnot.)
I think all of these have higher populations than Israel. Some also have higher GDPs per capita. And yet.
Gee, Norway.
Child mortality 2023?
2023 death rate?
(I freely admit I only included the DRC to make a point about US death rates. We’re not as old as Europe, which I think is the major cause, along with Russia’s war on Ukraine, so it’s fucking embarrassing literal warzones have lower deathrates than us).
What about equality of civil liberties across social groups (essentially an apartheid measure, as I understand it)
As usual the US does embarassingly poorly, and although I didn’t include it we’re joined by the UK. Regardless, Israel doesn’t seem that bad.
As for political rights across these groups:
I’d like to highlight Palestine for a moment. This is for 2007-2024:
You may notice the uptick in Gaza. (Keep in mind this is relative to other countries) from 2023. In fact it also grew from 2022-2023. If we are to believe this, Israel’s war has actually increased the equality in Gazan political rights.
Engaged society? Here I present a comparison between Israel and the infamous dictatorship of *checks notes*…er…Canada
Aid given?
So Israel is better than Portugal and Greece but worse than Mastercard. (Incidentally, so is the World Food Programme.)
Gender inequality? (Higher is worse)
Israel is also better than the infamously sexist New Zealand.
Income share of the richest 1 percent before tax?
Also apparently in Peru, Angola and Bahrain the 1% control over 25% of pretax income??
The aftertax income/consumption share of the 10%, as compared with the three officially Communist states they had data on:
Israel: more communist than the commies.
Infant mortality rate. Somehow despite a genocide Palestine has been better than the global average since the Six-Day War.
Malta is the best country in the world for queer rights, as of 2019; Nigeria was the worst
Israel’s score on legislation against violence against women, as compared to the highest and lowest scoring countries in the world, the regional average and Palestine (higher is better):
Israel is the world leader in R&D spending as a share of GDP. Women are overrepresented in the Israeli judiciary (Palestine is one of the worst seven countries). It has more rigorous and impartial public administration than the UK.
Data pulled from various metrics listed here
Clearly Israel is the worst country in the world.