October 7 was traumatizing for jews worldwide because this wasn't supposed to happen. Pogroms were supposed to be a thing of the past. The world was not supposed to celebrate the deaths of jews. Attacks and harassment of jews worldwide should not have skyrocketed in frequency in the direct aftermath of the most massive pogrom we've seen since the Holocaust. We thought you'd learned. But once again you proved to us just how strong your hatred for us is.

if you do this and would like to know more about the memory of the person for whom you lit the candle, you will probably be able to find something about them here:

or here:

you can search both sites by their name. 🕯️💙🤍

also just like… the irony of dehumanizing (((zionists))) jews for agreeing that dehumanizing people is bad aside…

after making a post criticizing leftists for dehumanizing floridians, the second she realized dehumanizing floridians provided an opportunity to take potshots at (((zionists))), she took it:

it’s almost like she never cared about floridians, and the only reason she criticized ostensibly intersectional leftists for dehumanizing floridians was because it provided her an opportunity to take potshots at them for not being marxist-leninists like her

it’s also literally khazar theory for americans

and it’s racist since the actual indigenous peoples of florida were y'know non white either

also “hitler YOUTH” they think all us are CHILDREN and are sui baitign those they see as Children

Not to be like that, but same with first nations people... Jews and Natives sit at the bottom of the "human hierarchy". It's easier to step all over a small population, than to just teach tolerance to the 98%...

this isn't even a "would." poland is actively trying to make it more difficult for holocaust survivors and their families to reclaim ownership over the homes that were stolen by the government during the holocaust.

When the Nazis came, the property was confiscated along with the family jewellery. They were forced into the Lodz ghetto. Later, Greenberg’s father and his siblings were sent to Auschwitz, and only her father survived. After the war, the new communist government in Poland nationalised property that had been confiscated while destitute Holocaust survivors rebuilt their lives from scratch elsewhere.
Since the fall of communist Europe in 1989, most countries in the former Soviet bloc have taken steps to provide restitution and compensation to their pre-war Jewish citizens. Poland is the only major country that has not implemented such a programme – and now it is on the verge of making recompense even harder.
In the coming weeks, a new law is expected to pass its final stages in the Polish parliament that will set a 30-year time limit on legal challenges over confiscated properties, in effect axing thousands of claims.
The Polish government has said the new regulations are aimed at preventing fraud and “irregularities”. It has also said it is “not responsible for the Holocaust, an atrocity committed by the German [occupiers]”. But many other countries – including the UK, Israel and the US – have sharply criticised the move.
Israel’s foreign ministry said: “This is not a historical debate about responsibility for the Holocaust but a moral debt of Poland to those who were its citizens and whose property was looted during the Holocaust and under the communist regime.”

the libyan government stole the property of every single libyan jew that fled libya, some estimates from the 1970's totaling $350-400 million, and now libyan jews can't even have jewish relics or records shipped to where they live because the libyan government will not allow those items to be shipped out of libya to their rightful owners. the last time a jew tried to enter libya, who by the way is ardently in support of libyan jews returning to libya and wants to work with non jewish libyans to make it safe for them to do so, he was met by a lynch mob.

i can only imagine the horror stories indigenous people here in north america have, and i'm not going to speak for them. but yeah, this isn't even a "would", and they're not laughing, they're angry.

you didn't even post the best ones

ALT

ALT

feel like I'd be remiss if I didn't post the most mask-off shit in all of this:

“you! conspiracy theorist, are you normal about-“

“jewish people control everything”

Oops! All Antisemitism!

that’s rich coming from anarchistmemecollective, the tankie circlejerk of “zionist bad, Israel delenda est”

even anarchistmemecollective realizes THIS is antisemitism

"goy is a slur" canard

what next trans people are oppressing you by calling you "cis"?

here’s a thing that happened to one of my friends. it really happened. i was there.

basically we were walking down the sidewalk, talking about something meaningless. i think it had to do with a movie. then this bus screeches up, stops next to us, and a buncha jews with “down with goy” shirts climbed out and started beating him up. i was punched and kicked a bit too, but i managed to avoid brutalization by going for their faces. after figuring out what’s happening, i started attacking them back, getting them off of him. he was quite injured but i called 911 and he made a full recovery at the hospital. i was fine with only a cut on my arm that they patched up

don’t give the pro-pal ideas

only you can stop illiteracy

and it starts by not posting weird shit like this!

Haha wow this really seems to have struck a nerve with “Leftist” Anti-Zionists, “Dark MAGA” chuds, and literal Neo-Nazis alike, and I gotta tell you: it should be just a little harder to tell y’all apart…

Anyway, thanks for confirming the thesis of this post that Anti-Zionist accusations are just repackaged Nazi shit! 🤡 Cry harder about it!

it’s the urge to call a jew a nazi

It would be one thing to talk about the ways in which the Holocaust is connected to earlier genocides and to colonialism. Hitler cited both the USAmerican genocide of Native Americans and the Ottoman Turkish genocide of Armenians as inspirations for his own genocidal ambitions, and the use of concentration camps was pioneered by the British during the Boer Wars (though from what I know, they did not use death camps).

It would be one thing to criticise the government of Israel for using the Holocaust as justification for the oppression, forced displacement, and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Holocaust survivors in Israel have been criticising them for the same thing since day one.

It would be one thing to talk about the Nazi genocide of the Roma people, about GeneralplanOst, and about the queer people who were sent to concentration camps.

But that screenshotted post? It's not doing any of those things.

"Holocaust exceptionalism" is literally an antisemitic myth. Two, even - the claim that Jews are making the Holocaust all about themselves, and the claim that the Holocaust was nothing special and Jewish people should get over it. Anyone who knows anything about the Holocaust and is not deliberately lying about it would tell you that while other groups were also targetted, it was primarily aimed at Jewish people - and that the entire Nazi ideology is centered on antisemitism. And while it wasn't the first genocide, nor the first genocide targetting Jewish people, the way the Nazis turned genocide into an industry was new. And the idea that Jewish people should "get over" the Holocaust, that any group should "get over" being victims of genocide, is fucking vile.

And frankly, given where this rhetoric is coming from, I'm wary of the phrase "justifying Zionism" too. For all that the old antisemitic canard that "Jews think any criticism of Israel is antisemitic" is blatantly untrue, it sure seems like a lot of antisemites think any criticism of antisemitism is Zionist.

Also. The deeply western beliefs of the Nazis? I'm all for criticising the west, claiming that colonialism, antisemitism, and genocide are unique to the west, just serves to excuse all case of colonialism, antisemitism, and genocide committed by everyone else.

Relatedly, this is why so much infighting on Tumblr is rooted in attempts at finding out who has suffered the most. Whoever quantitatively possesses the most pain, wins--and the winner gets to punish everybody else.

And it's also why folks try to invent the magical "identity which cancels out all suffering" every few years. That way, you can dismiss the pain of anyone with that identity, which means they can be punished without limit, forever.

Ten years ago, the phrase "gay men are the straight men of the LGBT community" was a real sentiment that really floated around on Tumblr. Nowadays it's "trans men are the men of the LGBT community". Both sentiments make no sense on their own. But when you couple them with the harassment campaigns, bullying, and the total dismissal of any oppression faced by both groups, then it becomes clear.

Both statements are highlighting that it is safe to publicly punish folks in these categories for claiming to be oppressed, when we all know they're lying attention-stealers distracting us from Those Who Truly Suffer.

This is why I'm not on board with "punch a Nazi" rhetoric. All that seemed to mean, to me, was that the speaker could redefine "Nazi" to mean "someone I don't like" or "someone I want to punish", and now, they can justify punching literally anybody.

And, well. The last year's work of redefining "Nazi" to mean "Jew" has shown this concern to be tragically valid.

Once again! We get blamed for everything!

As someone who is half-Jewish, half-Ukrainian the last two years have been a trip. Because frankly I’m used to conspiracy theories and being the cause for Every Bad Thing Ever, from communism to capitalism, on my Jewish side. But now apparently the Ukrainians are the cause of every ill in the world too, like wars and homelessness in America. It’s been eye-opening to know that my existence as a whole is the reason for things like imperialism and possibly even someone stubbing their toe this morning. My bad y’all, seriously

Wikipedia isn't perfect, but let's take a look, shall we? I added emphasis because I found it easier to read. (I'm sorry if it's too much for you).

Russian conquest of Siberia - Wikipedia

Under the leadership of Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 many people, including members of the Daur tribe, were killed by the Cossacks. 8,000 out of a previous population of 20,000 in Kamchatka remained after the first half century of the Russian conquest.

In the 1640s, the Yakuts were subjected to violent expeditions during the Russian advance into the land near the Lena River, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryaks, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to this by the Russians [...]. When the Russians did not obtain the demanded amount of yasak [fur tribute] from the natives, the governor of Yakutsk, Piotr Golovin, who was a Cossack, used meat hooks to hang the native men. In the Lena basin, 70% of the Yakut population declined within 40 years, native women were raped and, along with children, were often enslaved in order to force the natives to pay the yasak.

According to John F. Richards: "Smallpox first reached western Siberia in 1630. In the 1650s, it moved east of the Yenisey, where it carried away up to 80 percent of the Tungus and Yakut populations. In the 1690s, smallpox epidemics reduced Yukagir numbers by an estimated 44 percent. The disease moved rapidly from group to group across Siberia. Death rates in epidemics reached 50 percent of the population. The scourge returned at twenty- to thirty-year intervals, with dreadful results among the young."

In Kamchatka, the Russians crushed the Itelmen uprisings against their rule in 1706, 1731, and 1741. [...] The Russians faced tougher resistance when from 1745 to 1756 they tried to subjugate the gun and bow equipped Koryaks until their victory. The Russian Cossacks also faced fierce resistance and were forced to give up trying to wipe out the Chukchi in 1729, 1730–1731, and 1744–1747. After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730–1731, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely. Cleansing of the Chukchis and Koryaks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war. The command was that the natives be "totally extirpated" with Pavlutskiy leading again in this war from 1744 to 1747 in which he led the Cossacks "with the help of Almighty God and to the good fortune of Her Imperial Highness", to slaughter the Chukchi men and enslave their women and children as booty. However the Chukchi ended this campaign and forced them to give up by decapitating and killing Pavlutskiy.

The Russians were also launching wars and slaughters against the Koryaks in 1744 and 1753–1754. After the Russians tried to force the natives to convert to Christianity, the different native peoples like the Koryaks, Chukchis, Itelmens, and Yukaghirs all united to drive the Russians out of their land in the 1740s, culminating in the assault on Nizhnekamchatsk fort in 1746. Kamchatka today is European in demographics and culture with only 5% of it being native, around 10,000 from a previous number of 150,000, due to the mass slaughters by the Cossacks after its annexation in 1697 of the Itelmens and Koryaks throughout the first decades of Russian rule. The killings by the Russian Cossacks devastated the native peoples of Kamchatka. In addition to committing massacres the Cossacks also devastated the wildlife by slaughtering massive numbers of animals for fur. 90% of the Kamchadals and half of the Vogules were killed from the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries and the rapid slaughter of the indigenous population led to entire ethnic groups being entirely wiped out, with around 12 exterminated groups which could be named by Nikolai Yadrintsev as of 1882. Much of the slaughter was brought on by the Siberian fur trade.

The Slavic Russians outnumber all of the native peoples in Siberia and its cities except in the Republics of Tuva and Sakha, with the Slavic Russians making up the majority in the Buryat and Altai Republics, outnumbering the Buriat, and Altai natives. The Buryats make up only 33.5% of their own Republic, the Altai 37% and the Chukchi only 28%; the Evenk, Khanty, Mansi, and Nenets are outnumbered by non-natives by 90% of the population. The natives were targeted by the tsars and Soviet policies to change their way of life, and ethnic Russians were given the natives' reindeer herds and wild game which were confiscated by the tsars and Soviets. The reindeer herds have been mismanaged to the point of extinction.

The Ainu have emphasized that they were the natives of the Kuril Islands and that the Japanese and Russians were both invaders.

That's what it says about Siberia. What about Alaska? The previous linked webpage says this:

The Aleuts in the Aleutians were subjected to genocide and slavery by the Russians for the first 20 years of Russian rule, with the Aleut women and children captured by the Russians and Aleut men slaughtered.

And @lookninjas linked this Politico article in another reblog chain:

It didn’t take long after the Russian landing for the familiar pattern of colonial crimes to play out, sending Indigenous populations reeling. Almost immediately, Russian colonizers began implementing the same playbook they’d perfected across Siberia. The first step was known as iasak, in which Russian representatives demanded tribute — furs, typically — from Indigenous populations. In order to assure compliance, Russian traders implemented the playbook’s second element: amanaty, in which Russians would seize hostages from Indigenous populations, held until the iasak requirements were completed. Often, Russian representatives would kidnap the children of local leaders — all the better to ensure compliance. In some cases, as historian Anne Hyde has written, the Russians would abduct the children of up to half of the male populations of a given community.

Nor did they stop there. As the U.S.’s National Institute for Health notes, such an arrangement allowed the Russians to effectively “enslave” local populations. Demanding “furs in exchange for [the] lives” of women and children, Russians would “sexually exploit the hostages” — and even “execute the hostages” should the fur intake fall short. All of it, just “to set an example” for other recalcitrant Indigenous populations.

[...]

The total number of Aleuts killed remains unknown, but one Russian observer estimated that Solovyev alone oversaw the massacring of over 3,000 Aleuts. Given that there were only 17,000 inhabitants of the Aleutian Islands upon the Russian arrival, Solovyev may have been largely responsible for the annihilation of nearly one-fifth of the entire Aleut nation. Whatever the final number, Solovyev’s rampage was, said historian Katherine Johnson Ringsmuth, “the beginning of the end of [Indigenous] sovereignty.”

But Solovyev was far from the only Russian guilty of mass slaughter. Not long later, near Alaska’s massive Kodiak Island, Russian colonizers shelled fleeing Alutiiq men, women and children sheltering on the appropriately named Refuge Rock. Aiming cannonade at the defenseless Alutiiqs, the Russians “carried out a terrible bloodbath,” one Alutiiq elder later remembered, with “the stench of the corpses lying on the shore [that] polluted the air so badly that none could stay there.” Hundreds died — some shot, some flinging themselves into the sea from nearly 10 stories up. Other remembrances place the number of deaths even higher, reaching into the thousands. And all of it, without the Russians suffering a single casualty.

But obviously, it doesn't stop here either. Here is an incomplete list of other genocides, ethnic cleansings, mass killings and mass deportations carried out by Russia or the Soviet Union - under the cut because the post is getting pretty long.

Content warning for... more war and genocide, famine, mass murder, mass deportation, forced labor, rape, graphic violence and more disturbing things you can expect from this topic.

Keep reading

finally finished updating this. @spot-the-antisemitism, if you would like to reblog the full version it's here. thanks and sorry for the hassle.

reblog this version everyone

they're not pro-pals. they hate palestinians who support coexistence. they help hamas continue to silence palestinians civilians.

they're faux-pals.

honestly I think "Hamasniks" is the best term for these people

Agreed I've been using "Hamasniks" for these exact reasons

you know it’s funny I was about to object that pro-palestiean activists want peace pro-pals are misinformed but don’t support hamas and then hamasniks want war death and martyrdom and like

when is the last time you’re seen a “hamas is bad but Iof is worse” pro-pal, those died off during the summer

hamasnik it is

I think why hamasniks and co despise this phrase is because they cannot fathom seeing jews—not just israelis—try to cling to hope and celebrate life after oct 7. They recur to conspiracy theories, nazi propaganda, soviet canards, medieval blood libel, anything and everything with a lot of zeal because they want to cause maximum hurt. No righteousness involved at all when they’re so determined to target our communities in the name of their cause, and they justify it because we are acceptable targets who deserve abuse st best in their eyes.

Instead, they become baffled and enraged when we try to pick up the pieces. We’ve survived worse, and we will continue to survive. That’s also why they get so angry when they, in turn, are replied to with mockery. How dare we not roll over and beg for their mercy instead of trying to live our lives?

It’ll be hard, but we have to keep family and friends close, and have hope for the future that we can and will survive this.

want to see the tankies promote them NOW

I need to talk about this, forgive me for using your post to do it, but the utter complicity and irresponsibility (or outright malice) of the media through all of this remains such a source of frustration and anger.

these are headlines from yesterday:

(there was good coverage from different outlets too, though the examples I saw of that were pieces from morning and cable news shows that I'd wager most people don't watch much anymore. there were good articles - many, of course, penned by Jews or in Jewish publications and thus less likely to be read.) if I saw these, and I didn’t know what had happened, if I, like many people, only read the headlines, and not full articles, I would see these mentioning October 7th, see that year marker, and conclude that on that day, out of nowhere, Israel attacked Gaza. that is how they read.

there was no war in Gaza on 10/7/23. there was a ceasefire on October 6th. HOW they can run these and not phrase them as, “a year after the attack on Israel,” “a year after the Hamas massacre” simply defies description. they could commemorate the war itself and the catastrophe that’s followed any other day, and set aside October 7th to give space to Israelis and Jews and victims of the pogrom on Simchat Torah (this, by the way, rarely mentioned, that the attack was on a joyous holiday), but they don’t. THIS is part of why people don’t know what’s going on and won’t listen when we try to tell them. the inciting violence of this war, the slaughter that took place, should not be an aside or a footnote, it needs to be understood (aren’t these the people who obsessively mention “context?”), and to bury the lede on the year anniversary is troubling. I mentioned the other day that often people still don’t seem to know, that I’ve seen so many Jewish advocates say that when they go to campuses or do outreach, students have no clue what they mean when they mention the massacre.

this video from yesterday highlights that a bit:

it’s very difficult to see the misleading headlines and the disinformation and the historical revisionism and the rampant antisemitism and not feel despair. but that’s exactly why we have to keep fighting it.

there is it they’re mad that WE ARE human

they’re mad we aren’t making ourselves easy to hate and easy to kill

There's also: Jew makes a post about humanitarianism & social justice, antisemites reblog it with hateful things about Jews

.... If they're so against antisemitism, why are they singling out a Jewish reblogger who's only crime was stating that they stand with Israel?

Seems counterintuitive to not being antisemitic.

Becuase they're full of shit just like every other prog

You'd think they'd want to free Palestine from the theocratic dictatorship that hasn't allowed free elections since they came to power. But no, it's clearly the Israelis that are the problem... somehow.

all they had to do was shut up and ignore the tag

“I picked a side but I stand with Jewish people” is code for “I only like fictional Jews not real ones”

LMAO the very likes

They also called Oct 7th an example of “commitment towards decolonization” and said it was “resistance… not terrorism”

I know I go to school with these people, I feel it in the general sense of fear and dread I experience whenever I’m on campus. Yet somehow seeing it so blatantly always sticks with me.

whether you like it or not, whether it makes you uncomfortable and forces you to change your worldview or not, the vast majority of jews globally are zionists in the broadest sense of the word - i.e. they believe that israel has a right to exist, or they believe that israel needs to exist in order to provide a safe place for jews to flee to, or they feel a connection to the land of israel as the homeland of the jewish people and feel that we should be able to live there if we want. the vast majority of zionists i know also care a lot about the safety of palestinians and want them to either have their own state or live safely and equitably in one state alongside jews.

there absolutely are plenty of antizionist jews, particularly in america. their views being a minority among the wider global jewish community doesn't mean they don't exist. but it is wildly disingenuous to insist that a minority of jews must in fact be the majority simply because they agree with you and hold the position you think is the only acceptable one, because you don't want to confront the implications of them being a minority and what that means for your feelings about the majority of jews across the globe.

bc honestly? i think the reason y'all are so insistent that most jews aren't zionists is that you know the way you talk abt "zionists" is disgustingly antisemitic, but because you've convinced yourself it's only a small minority, the "bad jews", that it couldn't really be harmful. a little bit of antisemitism never hurt anyone. in fact, it's liberatory if used correctly! or at least that's what you tell yourself so you don't have to face the consequences of your actions.

I think one of the things a lot of fucking Tumblr people don't get is that, for Jews, Zionism isn't a thought exercise or a hypothetical or a side to pick for a team sport. This isn't just a topic for debate club for us, and it's not about our blog aesthetic or an excuse to pick fights at Thanksgiving.

This is real. I am a Zionist because I believe in self-determination for the Jewish people, yes -- just as I do for the Palestinian people, by the way -- but even more than that, at the core of my beliefs, when you drill right down to it? When you really get in there?

More than anything, I would like Israel to continue to exist because my friends fucking live there and I love them and want them to continue being alive. I want them to be safe. Most diaspora Jews have some connection to people in Israel, whether friends or in many cases family, and at the end of the day the safety of our friends and family is at the core of our positions with regards to Israel and Zionism.

If you don't understand this, if you refuse to understand this, then you have no business commenting on the subject. That's it.

I think the other thing tumblr users don’t get (frankly: don’t want to get) is that political anti-Zionism is also not a hypothetical thought exercise for jews, and also bears directly on our safety.

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when anyone says anything is ‘Just like the holocaust" I point to the sign

but there is a genocide in gaza but actual comcentration camps in china are a psyop sure

don’t threaten me with a good time

“only good Jew is a dead one” canard

"Stalin's inner circle was full of Jews"?

Citation

fucking

needed.

Oh, wait. That link totally contradicts such a bullshit statement. It includes data that amount to such statements as "the few Jews Stalin counted among the members of his inner circle were mostly there so he could use them against Trotsky, and as soon as they became critical of him or he found an ethnic Russian he could replace them with, they were donzo."

You're right. The only Jews among Stalin's associates after 1926 were Lazar Kaganovich and Lev Mekhilis. Perhaps if you wanted stretch the definition of "inner circle", you could include the women, Maria Kaganovich, Polina Zhemchuzhina, Dora Khazan, Ekaterina Voroshilova, Maria Korona, and Bronislava Poskrebysheva, the Jewish wives of Kaganovich, Molotov, Andreyev, Voroshilov, Alexander Svandize (Stalin's former brother in law), and Poskrebyshev.

But since Korona and Poskrebysheva were both arrested and shot during the Purges and Zhemchuzhinza and Khazan were both arrested and sent to the Gulag in the late 1940s during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, it doesn't really make Stalin look like someone who loved Jews.

Admittedly, the arrests and deaths of Korona and Poskrebysheva didn't have much to do with their Jewishness, but the arrests of Zhemchuzhinza and Khazan absolutely did.

Sudensk-the-stallionist perhaps genuinely doesn't know what happened to Korona, Poskrebysheva, Zhemchuzhinza, and Khazan as he seems to exclusively read Stalin apologia produced by avid Stalinists like Ludo Martens and Grover Furr.

ah yes they sent holocaust survivors to gulags so philosemitc! /s

“History will remember me well for harrassing Jewish women” ah do you imagine history books will be written by fourth reich?

"Stalin's inner circle was full of Jews"?

Citation

fucking

needed.

Oh, wait. That link totally contradicts such a bullshit statement. It includes data that amount to such statements as "the few Jews Stalin counted among the members of his inner circle were mostly there so he could use them against Trotsky, and as soon as they became critical of him or he found an ethnic Russian he could replace them with, they were donzo."

You're right. The only Jews among Stalin's associates after 1926 were Lazar Kaganovich and Lev Mekhilis. Perhaps if you wanted stretch the definition of "inner circle", you could include the women, Maria Kaganovich, Polina Zhemchuzhina, Dora Khazan, Ekaterina Voroshilova, Maria Korona, and Bronislava Poskrebysheva, the Jewish wives of Kaganovich, Molotov, Andreyev, Voroshilov, Alexander Svandize (Stalin's former brother in law), and Poskrebyshev.

But since Korona and Poskrebysheva were both arrested and shot during the Purges and Zhemchuzhinza and Khazan were both arrested and sent to the Gulag in the late 1940s during the anti-cosmopolitan campaign, it doesn't really make Stalin look like someone who loved Jews.

Admittedly, the arrests and deaths of Korona and Poskrebysheva didn't have much to do with their Jewishness, but the arrests of Zhemchuzhinza and Khazan absolutely did.

Sudensk-the-stallionist perhaps genuinely doesn't know what happened to Korona, Poskrebysheva, Zhemchuzhinza, and Khazan as he seems to exclusively read Stalin apologia produced by avid Stalinists like Ludo Martens and Grover Furr.

ah yes they sent holocaust survivors to gulags so philosemitc! /s

Hey, you're right the romanovs were fucking antisemetic as hell, that is when pogroms took place, but when Jews talk about how their parents barely managed to escape out of the iron curtain while their family was left, and they never heard from them again, and they're probably dead, that wasn't the romanovs.

Holocaust inversion is the most harmful form of antisemitism there is, outside of actually physically hurting Jewish people. In my opinion, the ICJ case is a form of Holocaust inversion by South Africa, which is a country known for its rather extreme antisemitic cultural norms.

Just recently, a university student from there created an "art project" where she vandalized a memorial that stated 6,000,000 Jews were murdered. She crossed out 6,000,000 and Jews and replaced it with 38,000 and Gazans.

There are not even six million Gazans living in Gaza. Can you imagine the absolute narcissism and entitlement of crossing out six million and replacing it with 38,000? Do you even know how many civilians died during the Iraq war? Excess deaths are listed at over a million. The Gaza death toll is not even a quarter of that, yet Israel is accused of genocide and America is not.

So either we need to change the definition of genocide to simply mean lots of people being killed, regardless of intention or we need to acknowledge that Israel's actions do not rise to the current definition of genocide and we have very little evidence to suggest that they do.

Does this mean we will never find evidence of this? No, we could find it. Does this mean Israel will never cross the red line into genocide? No, they could. But they haven't, and we haven't found it. Does this mean Ben Gvir and Smotrich aren't spewing genocidal rhetoric? No, they are. But that isn't genocide. It's speech.

People are going around saying that the ICJ found proof of genocide. They haven't. The ICJ did not make any type of ruling whatsoever. If you read the actual court transcripts, you will see that the ICJ merely determined prime facie that South Africa has the right to accuse Israel of genocide and that the ICJ has jurisdiction to hear their case.

They also told Hamas to free the civilian hostages. So if we're going by the ICJ, Hamas has obviously completely disregarded this command. So you cannot tell me you support the ICJ proceedings without also agreeing with what the ICJ told Hamas to do. And they didn't do it, in fact they executed six of them just for pure sadistic glee.

Accusing Israel of genocide is a type of schadenfreude at being able to invert the Holocaust and be like, "those silly Jews! I can't believe they're now the Nazis!" as though they're comic-book villains with an origin arc. (By the way, as an X-Men connoisseur shall-we-say, this is an extremely common fandom interpretation of Magneto and people love making this comparison with him, a literal Jewish Holocaust survivor.)

You can tell there is a certain amount of smug satisfaction with these people, that they no longer have to care about the Holocaust (since look, the Jews are now doing a holocaust!), and that Jews no longer have any standing with which to discuss our marginalization.

Obviously this comes from a place of resentment, that it was not culturally acceptable to hate Jews so they had to keep quiet, but now all of a sudden they don't. This means that now, more than ever, people feel emboldened to be virulently antisemitic with relatively little push-back.

genocide is killing with the intention of elimination of a specific people, whether that be an ethnic, religious, or otherwise marginalized group. to say that Palestinians are not marginalized is a lie. and isreal is absolutely acting with the intention of eliminating Palestinians.

this. is. genocide.

1) Israel is not acting with the intention of eliminating palestinians, they're acting with the intention of eliminating Hamas, which is a radical terrorist organisation that is harming both israelis and palestinians

2) a genocide isn't necessarily against a marginalized group, it's against an ethnicity, a race, a religion, or a nationality. it's an act of wiping out a specific group from the population. if America went nuts and rounded up all their redheads and slaughtered them with the intention of having no more red heads in America, that would be a genocide.

3) what's that has to do about a post talking about why you shouldn't call Jews Nazis?

1) Isreal clearly makes no attempt to reduce civilian casualties and bombs locations with inoccents and without any proof. they have also recently released remote communication devises with hidden bombs into (iirc) lebanon, with little to no insurance that the devices would actually end up in the hands of millitary personel.

2) genocide is an act of marginalization and could include queer people or, like you said, even redheads. there isn't really any better word for any such group. and many people making the decisions on strikes by Israel have stated the intention of making it the reality that there are no more palistinians in palistine.

3) I am specifically addressing the claim that what Israel is doing is somehow not a genocide.

1) you've clearly never tried to listen to Israel attempts of reducing civilian casualties, since they have used and coined several different tactics of reducing civilian casualties, by sending mass texts and calls to every individual in an area, "roof knocking", and other methods. moreover, they are often in charge of allowing humanitarian aid inside gaza and have recently distributed polio vaccines after a recent case of polio in exactly 1 person.

the pager attack is an interesting example of how Israel massively reducing civilian casualties, so it's funny you bring them up. pagers are this type of equipment you're never supposed to take off so it will alert you at all times, and these pagers belonged only to members of Hezbollah, a well known terrorist group, by faking an important message before detonating, Israel ensured as many terrorists would be looking at the pagers away from civilians. the explosions was also small enough to not cause significant or collateral damage most of the time, as a way to minimise civilian casualties. yes, a child has died from one of the explosions, but in a remote attack you can't control every single device separately, this is a way to minimise casualties, not completely avoid them. one Hezbollah's recent rocket attacks on Israel hit a soccer field and killed 12 arab druze children, not to talk about all the collateral damage and destruction in northern Israel, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced from the North due to Hezbollah's attacks.

2) you're trying to explain a genocide to a descendant of holocaust survivors and a refugees from the ethnic cleansings in both yemen and Egypt, you clearly don't see israelis as a marginalized group regardless of their thousand year history of oppression, even though combining the populations of the west bank, gaza, and Israel, the Palestinian population is equal to the Jewish Israeli one (5 million in Palestine + 2 million in Israel == 7 million Israeli jews).

3) if there was a genocide attempt would they not start by deporting or attacking the Palestinian population in Israel? idk if you've ever visited Israel, but almost every time I've entered a train I've seen a group of hijabi women excitedly chatting in arabic, half the doctors I encounter (as a chronically ill person) are arab, I've had work friends where I talked with them for about 3-4 weeks before suddenly hearing them speaking flawless arabic to a customer and realising they're arab and I'm blind, racism is a thing that exist as it does everywhere, but the far right's opinions isn't an indication of actual living conditions of palestinians in Israel, and while I'm at it, the head of military and the prime minister are different people who while one can influence the other due to their position, none can command the other. when Netanyahu makes a speech in English, he's trying to convince both you and his own people of his lies, because the reasonable people here don't support him and we've tried to vote him out numerous times (you can google Israel's election crisis of the 2020s).

Accept I don’t want the deportation of Jews, I was the deportation of European colonizers from stolen land. Acting like these things are the same is A, erasing Palestinian Jews, and b, colonialist apologetics.

Cool, so would you support the deportation of 220 million white Americans back to Europe? How about 25 million white Canadians?

Deportation is not a practical or even feasible solution.

If you don’t see the obvious difference between these two circumstances then there is no point in having a conversation.

"I want to deport white colonizers"

"ok so let's start with the ones in America"

"NOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!111!1!1!"

“the hitler is coming from the yeshiva” is such an antisemitic thing to say like “no Jews are real nazis now” because Israel has busses? really?

hmm the two people tagged there are both gentile allies to Jews, I wonder why they were targeted

Nasrallah sure had charisma, so did Hitler and Stalin