from hamas’ charter:
meanwhile…who else said they “struggled” against the jews?
hmmm lmao.
*pinching the bridge of my nose and staring into the void for like ten minutes*
Oh goddamnit. How did I miss that one?
Workers looking to understand why Hamas thugs and their backers in Tehran organized the systematic slaughter of over 1,200 Jews, as well as a few dozen Bedouin Arabs and immigrants, Oct. 7 will greatly benefit from a look at the group’s origins and history. It revolves around their determination to solve the “Jewish Question” by exterminating the Jews.
Their origins lie in ultra-reactionary Arab forces that formed a yearslong alliance with Hitler’s Nazi Party in the 1930s based on a common desire to carry out the “final solution” — the slaughter of Jews worldwide. These forces include Amin al-Husseini, who became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the forerunner of Hamas. They emerged out of the deepening worldwide capitalist crisis and the revolutions and counterrevolutions that would lead to World War II.
Massacres of Jews in the Middle East by Islamist forces began decades before Israel came into existence. The record of these atrocities by Hamas’ forerunners are hidden today by the Stalinists and middle-class leftists who present Hamas as a national resistance movement.
Beginning in the early 1920s, al-Husseini — from a wealthy landowning family — orchestrated a series of massacres of Jews in Palestine. The capitalist rulers in the U.K. had taken control over Palestine as part of the notorious Sykes-Picot backroom deal that redrew the borders of countries in the region and divided the riches of the Middle East between London and Paris.
honestly kind of love The Militant, the world needs more accurate fucking socialist takes on this shit
By 1937 al-Husseini no longer limited his horizon to attacks on Jews in Palestine. “Whoever believes that, if the Palestine problem is solved or if the Jews are defeated in this conflict everything will be fine, are wrong,” he wrote in Islam and Judaism. He set out to forge close ties to Hitler and his Nazi regime, to extend the Holocaust to the Middle East.
He said Arabs were “the natural friends of Germany because both are engaged in the struggle against three common enemies: the English, the Jews and Bolshevism.”
yep. Yep yep yep
A pro-Nazi regime was established in Baghdad, Iraq. Al-Husseini was based there. [Beware the passive voice, it betrays ignorance. He was the one trying to establish that regime.]
When that regime was brought down in 1941, he accused the city’s Jews of being responsible. Days later, a series of deadly pogroms led to the murder of 180 Jews. Later, mass graves of 600 more victims were found. The British army had troops based just 8 miles away, but chose to do nothing to stop the slaughter.
Okay, I did NOT know about the mass graves. Cool. Coolcoolcool.
Anyway, people have been pointing out that these are Nazis exploiting the working classes for literally a century now. I could probably make a long list of times people in power have weaponized antisemitism to pit the rest of the people against the Jews, but I'm TIRED. The left needs to stop jacking off to tankie power-over fantasies for like five minutes and get it together.
Now I really want to make a YouTube video about this and call it "MY struggle (against your self-sabotaging hatred of Jews)"
a friend of mine told me my imaginary video titles sound like I'm trying to speedrun "getting hated on the Internet" lmao
listen I just like to be EFFICIENT
That "accurate socialist take" doesn't cite any sources, so that's the first sign it's not trustworthy.
The second hint is the extremism of blaming al-Husayni for the riots in Mandatory Palestine. The 1929 Nebi Musa riots are more complex than "al-Husayni instigated a pogrom against the Jews" and Terry Evans leaves out the impact of the tension from the recent Balfour Declaration, which announced Europe's plan to make Palestine a homeland for Jews. His alleged responsibility for the 1920 Nebi Musa riots and 1929 Palestine riots are absolutely not historical consensus, although he did use these events to further his cause. He did work with Hitler. Historians dispute how influential he was.
The third is that it rests on a claim that al-Husayni is intricately tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, and therefore Hamas, but that doesn't hold up. Arab Higher Committee that he founded lasted three years. It doesn't rate a mention on his page in the Holocaust Encyclopedia. Afterwards he was the leader of the All Palestine Government but was sidelined from that. He died ten years before the establishment of Hamas. I can't find any significant ties between him and the Muslim Brotherhood except that they supported him. That's his only connection to Hamas, the Brotherhood, so...no connection, ultimately. Not a defense of him or Hamas, just saying that article is WILDLY suspect.
I don't know why you would go to this much effort to say they aren't the champion of the working class when you could just like...point to their well known authoritarianism and their recent executions of Palestinian dissenters. I wouldn't base a podcast off Evans work is all I'm saying.
nothing like goyim defending pogroms 😂 “tensions from the balfour declaration.” ah, so you’re saying it was the jews’ fault we were burnt alive, raped, and beaten to death?
“historians dispute how influential he was.” which ones bb? the man helped create muslim ss units. that’s pretty damn influential. he didnt directly influence the final solution as some argue, but he was influential in other ways…like recruiting.
i want your sources on this. you barely named any and yet you criticized others’ sources.
why not hold islamists accountable EVER by the way? instead of coming up with slimy, barely reputable arguments in favor of their behavior. you also seem incapable of deductive reasoning and connecting ideology to figures. the reason hamas and the muslim brotherhood are descendants of the mufti is the IDEOLOGY that connects them.
doesnt help that you were wrong about them NOT BEING CONNECTED, but i’ll get into that later.
you also fail to mention baathism, pan arabism, and the black hand group that inspired the mb and hamas.
here i’ll help out:
first, you claiming violence broke out mostly because of bitterness re: balfour erases the history of pogroms and oppression of jews in the region, including dhimmi laws. first mistake.
moving on:
Izz ad-Din al-Qassam, who helped create the Black Hand group in the 30s, was assisted in his appointment by Husseini. they had shared goals and ideology rooted in panarabism and baathism but disagreed on execution. they interacted throughout their lives and Husseini supported al-Qassam for a long time. later, hamas named their military wing after al-Qassam. al qassam brigades??? hello???
“In the mid-1920s he had demanded that waqf money be spent on arms rather than on mosque repairs, causing the Mufti to deny him employment as an itinerant preacher for the Supreme Muslim Council. Al-Qassam, however, went on to found a mosque in which to preach his revolution, and he practiced what he preached. He not only preached a jihad against the twin “infidels," the Jew and the Briton, but also began buying arms and recruiting workers and peasants in his northern Palestine power base.”
even now, hamas and their supporters acknowledge his "martyrdom:"
plus yes, the MUFTI was an important figure in the area and a LEADER. not only was he from an influential clan, but he held a position of authority as a MUFTI. so yes, him calling on fellow muslims to harm jews was influential. it’s exactly like hamas calling on muslims and arabs worldwide to pick up knives and guns and fight the jews. notice the uptick in attacks and attempted attacks after. like last year when hamas called for people to burn land and guess what they didddd
in fact, husseini framed the statement in the exact same way hamas does: he said jews were threatening al aqsa.
per the one source you listed: "In August 1929, anti-Jewish violence again erupted in Palestine. On August 23, Arab crowds marched into the orthodox Jewish quarter of Jerusalem and initiated a wave of violence over access for Jews to the Western Wall, or Wailing Wall, in Jerusalem that degenerated into regional violence that left 133 Jews and 116 Arabs dead, and 339 Jews and 232 Arabs injured. Al-Husayni cultivated the perception that the demand of the Jews for free access to the wall (the holiest place for Jews) had threatened the very existence of the al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock shrines (one of the holiest sites in Islam). He thus had exacerbated religious tension, infused the secular issues of Jewish immigration and land purchases with religious fervor, internationalized the political dispute by equating the Jewish presence in Palestine with an existential threat to the Muslim faith, and enhanced his own political position among the Palestinian Arab leaders."
re the nebi musa riots ^^
also i suggest reading this in its entirety because you seem to be missing numerous parts of history:
the book quoted is by two german professors and called nazi palestine. it focuses in the history of antisemitism in the region, the role of various arab groups as allies to the nazis and WHY they allied with them, etc
again it is IDEOLOGY that links these groups and figures across history, but the mufti also DID have personal connections to the MB.
per The Society of the Muslim Brothers in Egypt: the Rise of an Islamic Mass Movement by Brynjar:
as for the nebi musa riots being “more complex than a pogrom”…fam lmao
NOT a pro israel source:
https://corescholar.libraries.wright.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1029&context=history
notice:
The festival took on greater political importance after Muslim pilgrims rioted during the celebrations in April 1920. Four Muslims and five Jews were killed; 251 Arabs and Jews were wounded. These riots confirmed the British notion of 'Islamic extremism', in which Islamic rhetoric, themes, and rituals could be used to mobilize an anti-colonial resistance, a fear prevalent throughout Britain's colonial rule over Muslim popula-tions. The British authorities stressed that Arab political leaders had to prevent any further violence from erupting at the festival.
That is most likely why in 1921 the British appointed Al-Hajj Amin al-Husayni as mufti of Jerusalem, bestowing upon him the new and esteemed title of mufti al-akbar (Grand Mufti). In 1922 they secured his election as the president of the Supreme Muslim Council (al-Majlis al-Islami al-A‹la), the most important Islamic body in Palestine. So eager were the British to appoint a member of a leading Arab family to the post of mufti, the first British High Commissioner to Palestine, Herbert Samuel (1921-1925), even pardoned Al-Hajj Amin for his involvement in the riots. Al-Hajj Amin promised to cooper-ate faithfully with British officials, explicitly assuring them that the violence of the 1920 Nabi Musa festivities would not be repeat-ed.? As the leading religious figure in Pales-tine, Al-Hajj Amin was responsible for orga-nizing the festival and leading the cere-monies, becoming an important player in at-tempting to erase conflict between the Arab Muslim community and the British colonial rulers. A report on the political situation in Palestine for April 1922 expounds on the im-portance of his role:
[The] advice given prior to the Nebi Musa celebration by the president [Al-Hajj Amin] of the [Supreme Muslim] council contributed not a little to preventing disturbances; and the obviously sincere spirit in which the president lent his cooperation is in itself a sign that the establishment of the council has been a means of improving the relationship between the government and representative Moslem opinion.
An important element in how the Arab élite incorporated British participation in the festival was by evoking the festival's Islamic nature, which, in effect, artfully sanctified Britain's role in Palestine's Islamic, religious culture. This approach appears in an appeal by Musa Kazim al-Husayni, a relative of Al-Hajj Amin and president of the Pales-tine Arab Congress, issued a year after the 1920 riots and printed on the front pages of many Arabic newspapers. In this message, entitled 'A Message to the People of Noble Palestine', Al-Husayni wished Palestinians a joyous celebration in the upcoming holidays (i.e. Nabi Musa and Easter), but urged that these be conducted peacefully, claiming that, 'the government of Great Britain [...] will not fail the trust of the people because what the people want is what God wants." Incorporating the British into Islamic religious discourse became a powerful method to deflect widespread, public resentment against British rule.
hmmmmm.
i would also recommend:
a quote: Hassan al-Banna, one-time watch repairer and teacher who in 1927 founded the militant Islamist group the Muslim Brothers, was not only an unabashed admirer of the German tyrant Hitler but also organized the society's 'shock battalions', responsible for most of its terrorist attacks during the 1940s, along the lines of the notorious Nazi SS." So did Ahmad Hussein, spiritual father of the Young Egypt Society, a nationalist-fascist organization that mimicked its German and Italian counterparts, in which future President Nasser was schooled in the early 1930s. Nasser's fellow officer and successor to the presidency, Anwar Sadat, was an equally staunch Nazi sympathizer who was imprisoned in World War II, together with scores of fellow officers, for attempted collaboration with the Nazi forces in North Africa.
Such sentiments were echoed in Iraq where pro-Nazi officers seized power in the spring of 1941 only to be deposed by the British army. In Palestine, then under British rule, a Nazi official reported to Berlin as early as 1937 that 'the Palestinian Arabs show on all levels a great sympathy for the new Germany and its Fuhrer, a sympathy whose value is particularly high as it is based on a purely ideological foundation'. He added: 'Most important for the sympathies which Arabs now feel towards Germany is their admiration for our Fuhrer'. Years after the war, Hajj Amin Husseini, former mufti of Jerusalem and leader of the Palestinian Arabs from the early 1920s to late 1940s, who spent the war years in Berlin helping the Nazi propaganda as well as its war and killing machines, boasted of his close friendship with Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's murderous henchman, Hitler's admiration for the Palestinians as proof of their true patriotism.”
so where are your sources? do you know the history of pan arabism, arab nationalism, baathism etc and how they contributed to the mufti’s ideology, which bled into black hand, muslim brotherhood, the arab league armies, etc and then trickled down into hamas and the plo and pflp? like fam read more than an encyclopedia entry.
try out books like hitler’s muslim allies, the ones i linked above, nazi propaganda for the arab world,
outside of personal connections and political influences, it’s the ideology that links all of them and also connects them to nazism.
also let’s briefly go into hamas’ direct ideology and how it all connects:
yassin as in hamas’ founder:
Yassin’s Vision: Ideology and Armed Struggle
Yassin traced Hamas’ origins to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, whose ties to Palestine dated back to 1935 when Hassan al-Banna’s brother met Jerusalem’s Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini and helped found the Central Committee to Support Palestine.5 He revered Sheikh Izz al-Din al-Qassam—the Syrian-born preacher who led armed resistance against the British and Zionist settlement in the 1930s—as the uncompromising symbol of jihad after whom Hamas’ military wing was named.6
Yassin justified violence against what he called “the Zionist enemy” as a religious duty. Citing Hamas’ 1988 Charter, which proclaims all of Palestine an Islamic waqf—sacred land that can never be surrendered—he condemned the PLO for accepting U.N. Resolutions 181, 242, and 338, seeing them as a de facto endorsement of a two-state solution and a betrayal of the goal of liberating all of historic Palestine.7 “It is the duty of every Muslim to work for the liberation of Palestine,” he declared.
this is further shown in their charter. have you read it?
anyway. hope this all helps bc ooof
1) I did not say that the Balfour Declaration was the fault of Jews or that Jews were responsible for the riots. I said it was more complex than "al-Husayni started it." However, I do think that intercommunal violence was unavoidable after Europe became involved in determining who the land belonged to and that the context of the British Mandate is essential to understanding this history. You can't start contextualizing the riots on the day of, you have to begin at least with the Balfour Declaration, and better in the 1880s with the rise of colonialist Zionism. Removing this context presents a narrative of some sort of natural Arab hatred of Jews, which is ahistorical and absurd. Lives In Common is one book which explores the coexistence of Jews and Arabs in Palestine before the Mandate and the development since.
2) The thesis of the Evans article is that Hamas descends from Nazism, as proven by the case al-Husayni. I wasn't discussing any argument except that one. Sharing ideology does not prove that groups descend from each other.
3) I didn't defend any "Islamists." I never denied that he was a leader, nor did I deny that he worked with Hitler. I can see where it sounds like I said he didn't have influence in his own time, but I mean that historians dispute his lasting influence and legacy, which I brought up to point out that Evans screed is untrustworthy. As for which historians dispute his lasting influence: Christopher Browning, Peter Novick, and Robert Fisk, to name a few. The Yassin connection in your last article supplies a stronger connection than Evans did. Which, again, was my point: The Evans article is not credible.
However, none of this changes the fact that "Hamas are literal Nazis" is a rhetorical sleight of hand designed to justify military violence against Palestinians. Nothing justifies the level of violence Gaza has been subjected to.
ah okay so you really wanted to start with me i guess. cool, let’s go.
1. you’re addressing sources i didnt discuss. did you even read? no? it’s obvious lmao
2. where are your sources? no sources? no knowledge? no point? no argument? okay 👌
3. no one said you said balfour was the fault of the jews. maybe READ. but you did try to justify pogroms, dude. you did several times. considering you don’t read, i’m not surprised you’re trying to backpedal.
4. no one said hatred of jews was intrinsic to arabs either you fucking illiterate tool. islamists. AKA EXTREMISTS. HATE JEWS. and yes, jew hate is built into some muslim and arab societies just like it’s built into most european ones too lmao. but it is not EVERY SINGLE ARAB. societal issues are different from individual and not every individual is an extremist. you are generalizing and pulling arguments out of your ass because you don’t actually have any.
yeah lmao no one justified violence either except for you, sweetie, with your “pogroms are complex” horseshit.
also? defending people who sided with the nazis is not the flex you seem to think it is.
funny how violence against jews is explainable to you, but violence against palestinians is condemnable. “but but killing jews is okay if there’s context!” is what your reply boils down to and that is DISGUSTING.
did you even read the songs they sung while killing us? lmaooooo i provided sources.
if you think there’s no excuse for violence against arabs, you should feel that way about jews. immediately responding with “well violence was going to happen”? is defending it.
it’s also not treating arabs like human beings. refusing to hold islamists accountable is engaging in the bigotry of low expectations. it shows you think what islamism and hamas espouse ARE islam. not the case. millions of muslims do not feel this way. millions of arab dont either. in fact, millions of israeli arabs don’t. your white savior bullshit is offensive. also? it does arabs and muslims no favors to ignore, gloss over, and excuse arab colonization and dhimmitude, which you did in your last reply. in that case, do the same for european christian colonialism hmm? no? oops
you claim i am generalizing arabs etc when YOU are the one treating them like children. bigoted as hell.
plus? nazis could come up with the same arguments to defend their treatment of us and THEY DID. not a good look.
also your lutheranism explains a lot about why you’re justifying all of this, considering that man’s history. was his book “on the jews and their lies,” understandable too?
“begin with the balfour declaration.” “COEXISTENCE” fjfj
LMFAOOOOOOOOO okay why dont we!! in the middle east alone and then israel/palestine, before 1917:
guess you think this long ass history of oppression and massacres BEFORE BALFOUR is justifiable and explainable too hmm? i bet you think dhimmi laws are fine as well.
stop justifying pogroms and speaking on shit you know nothing about, you antisemitic fuck.
and don’t talk to me about violence against palestinians when you justify my people being attacked, mass murdered, and raped. you can contextualize pogroms but not a war palestine started with a fucking MASSACRE? shows intrinsic bias.
as for your other points…you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for the both of us. putting islamists in quotes like differentiating between islam and extremism is a bad thing 🤣 woooooo wow
anyway maybe focus on something else, like saving up for a fursuit, and leave the geopolitical discussions to people who aren’t total fucking jokes.
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one addition.
I'd like to highlight something that I honestly don't understand why more people don't flag this in the Hamas charter, because IMO it's easily one of the most damning parts, if not the most damning: article twenty-eight.
Yes, I'm aware there's a lot to unpack there.
But I'd like to highlight this:
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem [sic] people.
They distinguish! They know the difference between Medinat Yisrael, Judaism, and Jews! And they don't care! They're not conflating Israel and Jews! They're not ignorant!
Okay, fine, maybe they're not Nazis! Sure! I'll buy that, Nazism is a very specific ideology!
They are still antisemites! And it's not a stretch to say their charter is genocidal, at that!
Other highlights.
ignore the weirdness, but they want this. they want to kill all the jews, explicitly. that's genocidal.
spot the antisemitic stereotype that's not brought up here:
for what it's worth for the next one, zionism is definitionally constrained to roughly, well, zion. and the protocols are a russian hoax because you gotta justify your genocide, ironically plagiarized from an enlightenment era play that stood against what it advocated
so yeah, genocidal antisemites.
and again, this is their fucking founding document. let's compare israel real fast. the complete text, excluding signatures:
(presumable) translation drawn from here (hamas) and here (israel)
