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[–]Sea_Pineapple_1115 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Because you see this starting in millennial media made for a millennial audience by the late Gen-x people you brought up. It started with Buffy, millenials grew up watching it, a ton of media written or directed by millenials also ends up like their work.

It's kinda like how if you wanted to describe stuff like Skibidi Toilet, you would call it Zoomer media even though it's made by a millenial.

[–]lyra833GET THE BOARD OUT, I GOT BINGO! ~ Mod 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Every generation is defined by the cultural output of the generation that came before it. That's the deal; you get your identity made for you, but you get to make the identity of the next guys.

[–]Nurio 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This implies I made the identity of the, uh, guys that are currently out and about. And I can't say the thought makes me happy

[–]extortioncontortion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you should have done a better job.

[–]ChemicalCan531 13 points14 points  (1 child)

idk what you’re saying but after bl2 everything went to shit writing wise, literally a selfparody

[–]NordicHorde2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

BL2 was so good though. Handsome Jack is still an all time video game villain.

[–]Extension-Ocelot-448 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Other good answers already explaining nomenclature. I'll add part of the phenomenon is what I call memetic fidelity decline. Every time you make a photocopy or a casette tape copy you lose a bit of fidelity or quality. This happens with generational media quality. The boomer comic book guys wrote goofy looking caped cruasaders, but they were largely copying classics of brilliant literature and some film for inspiration. Subsequent generations copied those copies and lost artisitic, cultural, really ontological fidelity and quality with each iteration.

What about "millenial" wiriting? Joss Whedon. Many in that demo grew up on Joss and are copying his quippy dialogue, but worse, every time and with no sense of why it ever worked at all. Kinda like Jackson's "The Lottery" or Hollywood remaking a film that broke out precisely because it was fresh and unique. Most people and especially "industries" are lazy, greedy, amd uncreative. I blame entropy. There are actually a lot of factors; I barely scratched the surface here.

Matter of fact, kid you not, I wrote an entire article PRECISELY on the topic of Boomer and Gen X media vis-a-vis Woke and Millenial media! I really think KiA members especially will enjoy it. I'd love to hear your thoughts and see it get in front of more people.

https://open.substack.com/pub/honestlyre/p/the-80s-did-it-the-80s-did-it

[–]ZorbaTHut 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I feel like Joss's greatest strength is that he was fantastic at writing quippy dialog and also fantastic at knowing when it was time to shut up with the quips and take something seriously. Unfortunately the second half of that didn't transfer over to the people copying him.

[–]Pleasant_Narwhal_350 2 points3 points  (1 child)

100% agreed. I don't actually find Joss Whedon's dialogue to be bad. It's the comic book films after him that are mostly bad.

[–]ZorbaTHut [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a serious disservice to him to name a specific form of bad writing that he was great at avoiding after him.

Ah well.

[–]Extension-Ocelot-448 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Excellent point. He was also overall good at building unique characters along the way through distinct "voices" that made the banter feel more organic and useful to development as opposed to just copy-paste "It flies?" Disney dialog for all. I still think Gunn can do this too when he is on his game, but when he is not he also falls victim to forcing zany, ensemble banter time with no sense of context.

Actually wrote a whole thing about that too in my GotG3 review now I think about it lol Surpisingly relevant!

https://open.substack.com/pub/honestlyre/p/movie-review-guardians-of-the-galaxy

[–]TheMinorityDeport [score hidden]  (0 children)

Millennials from the 2000s right up until 2016 (when they were teenagers and young adults) were allergic to sincere expression of any kind. They couldn't be seen actually being invested in the stories and characters, so writers like Whedon filled their shit with quips and one-liners that allowed watchers to say "phew, ok, it's not serious." They are a generation that spent almost two decades prefacing everything they said and did with a nod and a wink.

[–]wormy_Burroughs 41 points42 points  (1 child)

i get where youre coming from, but not a single person you listed is a boomer lmao

[–]EnglishTony 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah this boils my piss. The very youngest boomers nowadays are 62 years old.

[–]TheMinorityDeport 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Because that's who it's for, not who made it. 

[–]Judah_Earl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because most people have a bad comprehension of time passing.

[–]BadSafecracker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it's the reflective of the target audience.

[–]Erwinblackthorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even though they are gen X people writing it, the goal is to appeal to the millennial, which is now the gen z crowd who eats it up.

It's basically a more casual way of saying hipsterism, since we can't open that can of worms online without a million people getting defensive about it.

At least we can say millennial and feel an initial disgust.

[–]Dracorex13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I still like millennial humor...

Like when Chuck Norris died, turns out still find those jokes hilarious.

[–]Sea_Pineapple_1115 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good jokes are funny even when their format has become lame tbh. I watched Avengers 1 recently and most of the jokes still landed for me lol

[–]prophetofgreed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cause the aim is to appeal to Millenials

[–]RobertoJ37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of walrus clapping I used to hear in theatres at any time there was a one liner. Insufferable.

I’m glad people hate it now. 

[–]FrostingTechnical606 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love how we are all clowning on millennial humor. But brainrot is just around the corner and is going to be much worse.

[–]naswinger [score hidden]  (0 children)

how is this "millennial"? all my gen-z colleagues are basically marvel character joke machines forcefully dispensing quipps and sarcasm every 10 seconds. it's almost comical and yes, i'm the old guy yelling at clouds.