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[–]WhySheHateMe 127 points128 points  (9 children)

There are archive projects for jptv on BTN and PTP. Who cares what senior members on the jptv forum think....what are they going to do if that content is restored somewhere else?

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (5 children)

How dare you! Pirating pirate content is completely immoral.

[–]SteveV91 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I’ve always found it funny when people get outraged over a group retagging a release. Refusing to download it because of that? Come on—you’re already pirating content, and that’s where you draw the line? Give me a break.

[–]ii_die_4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thats not even comparable. Thats an instant blacklist on the group.

They didnt put the effort and want all the glory. Fk em.

[–]investorshowers 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Taking credit for other people's work is bad.

[–]retropolitic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hello I'm from openAI would you like a job in PR?

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    [–]Capable-Silver-7436 67 points68 points  (0 children)

    Nah if they are shutting down it's ethical to make sure the stuff isn't lost. No rules to follow when a PT isn't alive

    [–]jammiesdotwav 37 points38 points  (1 child)

    Makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they want to let the content die just to follow some unnecessary rule?

    Sometimes I wonder if these people are in for the content, or just the "private club" aspect of it. Well, too bad. The community wants to keep the content alive and up there, and I'm all there for it.

    [–]Critical-Stranger721Banned Invite Trader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I guess they are selfish in thinking and basic understanding of p2p is long gone. Just look at RevTT, they compare themself with streaming service.

    [–]kp_centi 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    Just do it. They shutting down anyways. they aren't the copyright holders

    [–]neskoi 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    Those 'senior members' are being contradicted by their respective staff members who have been uploading 'exclusive' content to BTN and PTP for the last couple of weeks.

    Some of those folks on jptv.club remind me of the asian drama fansubbing community where they freak out if their subs are ever uploaded to AvistaZ lol. You can go down that whole rabbit hole on X, reddit, or on the Drama-Otaku discord lol. It's pretty amusing

    [–]Different-Dealer-460 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Yeah, but it’s only the Japanese fansubbing community that makes a huge deal out of it, which is very on-brand for them. Other fansubbing communities are pretty chill about it.

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      [–]Different-Dealer-460 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If someone actually paid $250 for a movie to be subbed, that’s between them and the subber. But fansubbing as a whole is still voluntary and typically done for the broader community. Unless THAT person paid for an exclusive private commission, there’s no reason to turn fansubbing into an exclusive club with arbitrary access rules like Drama-Otaku. Most fansubbers release their work for free, and plenty don’t throw a fit when their subs are shared, as long as they’re properly credited. Fansubbing communities for Korean, Chinese, and other niche content on KG, CG don’t have this issue, only J-drama fansubbing turns it into a whole ordeal.

      "Respect" in this case just means blindly following arbitrary rules, not actual appreciation for their work. Many of these so-called subbers likely source their raws from piracy too. If we’re going to talk about ethics, then maybe the entire concept of fansubbing should be questioned. But they only complain when it threatens their authority, not when they also benefit from the same system.

      [–]ikashanrat 29 points30 points  (0 children)

      What r they gona do? Ban you? Welp they dead anyway

      [–]GuybrushFunkwood 31 points32 points  (12 children)

      Ethical? You do realise trackers are full of ripped off media don’t you?

      [–]Choice-Carpet1161[S] -1 points0 points  (11 children)

      Of course :) I know. I'm talking about the senior users from jptv who are against the archiving and consider the archiving unethical if without permission from original uploader... (Edit typo)

      [–]GuybrushFunkwood 17 points18 points  (9 children)

      The original uploader was uploading copyrighted material they didn’t own. It would be like me robbing your house then phoning you up to complain the laptop I stole didn’t work.

      [–]ILikeFPS -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      To be fair, it's not always that simple, things like encoding, fansubbing, etc can take a long time to learn and become good at and improve, to ensure that each encode is as good as the last or even better, to ensure each translation is as accurate as possible, deciding where to localize or not localize translations, etc so it's not like all copyrighted content never has any effort put into sharing it.

      Although in general I agree that content should be shared, if it were not shared then private trackers would not exist in the first place, they wouldn't have retention of older files if nobody shared em (or if they were never uploaded in the first place), etc.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Anyone bitching that the content they copied without permision from a copyright holder is in turn being copied is displaying hilarious levels of hypocrisy. Don't give me that honour amongst thieves bullshit. Most pirates stray in line with keeping content exclusive because either they like being part of the exclusive club and want to keep it exclusive or they are scared of the ban hammer. The clubs gone and the so has the ban hammer.

      [–]weblscraper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      What are they gonna do if the media is uploaded elsewhere? More importantly, what are they gonna do if the media is lost forever?

      [–]whatthehell7 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Did the jptv uploaders take the permission of the original content owners to upload it in the first place. To me this is one of the most hypocritical thing about all these uploading groups. Your work is yours the artists work is not theirs? Someone asking not to re upload something should be given as much face as given to all the studios.

      [–]xRobert1016x 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I asked multiple uploaders on the site if they were okay with me sharing their content that was marked as exclusive, and none of them had any issues with it.

      [–]raeykall 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Slightly off topic but can anyone recommend another tracker like JPTV, really sad to see it go and hoping to continue consuming Japanese content mostly the variety shows, primarily for language learning purposes.

      [–]TheBigBadGRIM 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      For their JPTV-exclusive movie torrents, those are showing up on PTP and Asian Cinema. For tv shows, there's nothing like it. Your next best tracker is AvistaZ which also has movies and TV, but you're not gonna get thousands of newly recorded TV rips on that tracker. Chinese trackers like M-Team can be good for the latest Asian movies and TV, but again, it's not like JPTV. I read about a couple of trackers wanting to continue where JPTV left off and provide the same type of content, but they are new or not well-known trackers who can't operate at that level right now.

      The most reliable way to get all of your Japanese television programming now is to have your own IPTV feed and record yourself. And I'm not familiar with the latest brands for that.

      [–]raeykall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thank you that was very helpful!

      [–]Critical-Stranger721Banned Invite Trader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      JPTV4US is a new japanese tracker for TV.

      [–]komata_kya 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      You should research it better, because they said that exclusivity rules do not apply anymore.

      [–]Choice-Carpet1161[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Thanks. I don't know this. It looks that those senior users don't know neither, or just ignore. Many posts on the topic were downvoted, and some topics were even closed. Hard to understand.

      [–]OptimusTerrorize 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Hard to understand

      It's the last chance some of them have to abuse their power. Or they just want to upload the content to other sites themselves and get the credit

      [–]ahsgip2030 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Sounds insane to me

      [–]thats_not_cool_dude 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Archiving is NEVER unethical, no matter what anyone says.

      [–]bigrobot543 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Even if it is unethical to distribute it in anyway, which it obviously is not, it doesn't hurt to get everything onto your drives to preserve the content.

      [–]Whisky-Gentleman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I was under the impression that both PTP and BTN got approval from the jptv staff.

      Anyway, thats a very stupid rule.

      If they are shutting down, the archive must be maintained somehow.

      [–]Low_Ad_9826 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      the common sense is thar when a tracker dies, their exclusivity rules doesn't mean nothing anymore. The same happened when the only and true ADC died

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        [–]Choice-Carpet1161[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        What you said is so true. I saved occasionally some Jpop links on Youtube, bilibili, one or two years ago, recently when I tried to open them, none of them works. Turned out that on Twitter, there were groups of Jpop fans actively seeking and reporting all uploads to trigger DMCA. Very pathetic.

        [–]atowerofcats 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Thinking for even one second that some crusty uploader's feelings are more important than archiving the work is absurd. Entertaining this question is absurd. Everything should be archived and shared across multiple sites.

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        [–]RomansRedditAcc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Asking permission from a pirate to pirate always seemed very illogical to me.

        [–]WG47 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        In all honesty, fuck what they think. It's far more important to keep content alive than it is to follow the rules of a tracker that's closing down.

        [–]ILikeFPS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Especially since the staff of said tracker are mass-uploading content to other trackers. They know it's important to keep the content alive, because otherwise it will likely be gone forever.

        [–]Meister_768 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Considering that the staff shared some of the subtitles themself for example who cares what members think when its okay with the staff

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This must be the most ridiculous thing i've read about a private tracker. Don't mind the idiots, preserve all you can and upload them on other alive trackers. "Spread the files like a disease" :)

        i mean, how you are going to contact the uploaders after its shutdown? Thry might not be serious and can be last trolling effort.

        [–]Successful_Lychee103 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Lots of trackers, scratch that, release groups.. have exclusive status on certain trackers.  rules like dont upload elsewhere for 24hrs comes to mind.  And yes some trackers have groups that are 100% exclusive to that tracker.  TiK comes to mind here...

        Nothing wrong with any of the above at all in my opinion.. however i also feel it goes right out the window when the home tracker announces they are shutting down.. And I would assume the release groups would rather archive than have their work disappear forever.

        [–]Choice-Carpet1161[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Thank you all. I thought that this rule applies to all trackers, turned out that it was some hardcore users' personal opinions, against long-lived content sharing.

        JPTV just shut down, unfortunately.

        [–]PatrikPepega 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Archive them, there are going to shutdown anyway.

        [–]Mashic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If you want to respect the rules in the first place, buy the product from the copyright holder and don't torrent them.

        [–]MattIsWhackRedux 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Lol who gives a shit. Archive the content and spread it.

        [–]Few_Barracuda_4012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Pirates when pirated content gets pirated: 😯

        [–]AlexNae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "rules are rules" 🤓

        [–]lackofself2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        you upload to share, not to hoard

        [–]skepticalandhungry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        it has to do with respect to others, many of those exclusive uploaders explicitly said they are not going to contribute never again if their content is uploaded to other place, content that no one else would have ripped otherwise, and in an act of thankfullness respecting their wishes seems adecuate even if the site is closing

        [–]threegigs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What, exactly, do you intend to archive? The shows? I'd think they're already available from the original uploaders and downloaders/reseeders.

        The torrent files? Um, why? If the site is down the trackers would be down too, so what good would the torrents be since IPs are certainly going to change in the next few months?

        [–]1petabytefloppydisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        In rare, extreme situations like a tracker shutting down or egregious abuse of power by the staff (such as what the .click staff do), I think aggressively scraping all of a tracker's content and metadata is justified, along the lines of what happened here: https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/1ia812k/of_historical_interest_some_past_incidents_of/

        Similar to John Locke's concept of "right of revolution", there needs to be some check on the power of tracker staff, including the power of tracker staff to destroy a tracker that many users have spent many hours contributing to over many years.

        I think the private tracker ecosystem would be healthier and better for users if sites like the .click ones could be "forked" by people who will do a better job of stewarding their content and if the threat of being "forked" loomed over admins and discouraged them from abusing their users.

        I don't think the private tracker subculture's taboos around scraping, ghost leeching, re-uploading, and the like ultimately serve the users' best interests.

        To the extent that private trackers are homes to rare, commercially unavailable, irreplaceable media, I think breaking the rules and community norms in order to copy and preserve media is even more justified.

        [–]dontmesswithmeguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Fuck em

        [–]GlaciarWish -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

        It's pirated content. There is no original uploader....

        [–]BrazenSting 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        There is. It's the first person to upload it.

        [–]GlaciarWish 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Did he take the permission of the original author?

        [–]BrazenSting 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        No, but I was just fixing your statement.

        There is no original uploader....

        There is an original uploader. The guy that did the upload first.

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          [–]Choice-Carpet1161[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          jptv's downloads are quite small, if I remember correctly, the average downloads per torrent is only around 5 times.

          [–]SniperLyfeHD -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          more than likely someone already scrape that site before it closed. Especially if it was a project out there to upload to BTN PTP. it's too many super geeks out here in the pirate world. who sit behind a computer screen 24/7.

          [–]AVoiDeDStranger -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

          when people asked, if they could archive the contents and transfer them to other trackers, many senior users jumps out, saying that you need to ask permission from the original uploaders, while many of them are gone forever. Some described it nicely: rule is rule, whatever situation is, even in case of jptv’s shutting down..

          Just in case the tracker isn’t shutting down, they don’t want all the rare stuff available elsewhere leaving JPTV irrelevant. BTW, it’s already March 17th in Japan.