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Sectionalism's avatar

What we think of as the "supernatural" today wouldn't have been considered such back then. Divination, transmutation of substances, remote viewing, curses, charms, etc. wouldn't have been considered any more "supernatural" than smithing, carpentry, the preservation of foods, agriculture, or the tanning of leather. All of these were just skillful techniques that may or may not have relied on drawing something down from the divine or spiritual world, which as you say was considered a part of nature.

That being said... Every Pagan religion incorporated belief in at least the possibility of things that we today would consider "not naturally possible", including Germanic religion. In fact, it is because Abrahamists developed a sort of insistency that supermundane = divine intervention, rather than skillful human techniques such as "drawing down" gods or currying their favor, that Abrahamists are more digressive of the supermundane in practice. The problem with Moses to a Pagan would be that his ability to draw down Jehovah would not be considered evidence of Jehovah's almighty authority over the universe so much as it would demonstrate the uniqueness and skill of the man Moses. But, it was given that there were these forces beyond the mechanical world that had power over it in some sense, but that were free from its own power.

I think you are throwing around terms like "Semitic" and "Indo-European" too haphazardly. Abrahamic religion shares a few quirks with other semitic religions, but it should be considered its own phenomenon. Babylonian, Phoenician, and Assyrian religion are completely different animals... Even in the earliest myths of the Old Testament there are still lingering elements of what you are describing as "natural religion". The term "nature" is also loaded and obscures what you are trying to get at in my opinion, but judging by your descriptions of it I thought perhaps you might enjoy this essay:

https://viatorinterra.substack.com/p/cyberpunk-daoist-aristotelianism

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Very interesting. While I wouldn't be qualified to discuss the topic you cover (natural/supernatural as the core aspect of Nordic versus Judeochristian tradition), I can share an observation I had from another culture, West Africa where magic and supernatural is part of everyday life (in a perception of a common man). While most of my interlocutors believed in magic and were wary of it, I was met many times with surprisingly practical approach to it. At one situation, I was told of magical spell being cast, but according to the person I was not in danger "because you don't believe in that spell". At another situation, described below, people who witnessed tragic death caused by sorcerer's magic, were well aware that the magic did not work alone: someone helped it, by poisoning the victims to make sure the sorcerer's spell works as it should: https://nomadicmind.substack.com/p/how-the-devil-killed-idrissas-dad?r=31fxoh

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