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[–]This-Wall-1331 423 points424 points  (12 children)

Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake.

[–]Xali100se 40 points41 points  (9 children)

Art of war

[–]420-GOONER-69 25 points26 points  (3 children)

No, that’s Napoleon

[–]Xali100se 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounded like something that would be in the book. But thanks for the information.

[–]mamas_drunk_again [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes but he prefaced it with "Confucious say..."

[–]Psyko [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, that's "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"

[–]ihateslowdrivers [score hidden]  (0 children)

Sun Tazoo. You should read it Chrissy hehe 🤘

[–]NotMyRealAccountV 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Ahh a book intended to teach basic strategy to unqualified aristocrats and politicians... fitting.

[–]tinticred 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I love how much of The Art of War is stuff like "soldiers fight better when you feed them."

[–]DistrictObjective680 [score hidden]  (0 children)

...Which is actually a lesson that generals never took to heart for a long, long time. So how much can you knock it when it would have been an actual revelatory lesson for at least 1500 years?

[–]Naive-Monk9330 [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is the answer

[–]Euphoric_Maize7468 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Lol more like never interrupt your enemy when they would f you up. They would love to be in the middle east rn protecting Iranian oil.

[–]ghostdeinithegreat 49 points50 points  (0 children)

For the same reason no one is intervening

[–]No_Raspberry_8478 101 points102 points  (33 children)

None of these answers are correct

China doesn’t have any interest, nor investment to have any geopolitical interest in the middle east like the united state does. The United States for better or worse has an ally (Israel) that has a bunch of unfriendly neighbors bordering them, and fought an 20 year anti insurgency war. China didn’t have 9/11 and China isn’t allies with Israel.

The United States (for better or worse) has had many “situations” (let’s put it that way) for the past 20 years.

This isn’t to say “china is wholesome chungus” and “America bad” and “China good”

Read and look up what China is doing with the south Chinese sea

The south Chinese sea is kinda equivalent to Americas Middle East

Geopolitics is a very, messy, complicated, thing that is (usually) pretty nuanced and not black on white contrary to what Reddit believes.

Also look at what China is doing with Africa.

Of course; it’s not the same as a 20 year long anti insurgency war like what America was involved in. But a narrative that this thread is trying to peddle that America is the only global superpower that gets involved in foreign affairs, and China just “minds its own business, sticks to itself” is misinformed at best, blatant propaganda at worst.

[–]mahavirMechanized [score hidden]  (3 children)

It’s also just not at easy to project force like that…yes China is undeniably an ascendant power but even now they don’t have the mastery and extensive logistics network the United States has. Really there are no other nations that can do the kind of interventionism the United States can as a result. Not at the same scale.

[–]mydickinabox [score hidden]  (1 child)

Yea very few countries can project force of any significance across the globe. China certainly can’t with their navy.

[–]mahavirMechanized [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m not sure there are any peers. Maybe the British in a limited capacity but I’m not familiar with their capabilities nowadays. The Russians certainly can’t. Pretty vast military but mostly confined to Russia. There aren’t really any other nations to discuss.

[–]MiliVolt [score hidden]  (0 children)

America sends soldiers, China sends bankers. The Belt and Road initiative is China using economic power to gain control of critical resources around the world, while making themselves look good to local populations by doing massive infrastructure projects. The US will barely take care of its own infrastructure, let alone help anyone else.

[–]physedka [score hidden]  (2 children)

I would add that China also plays a modern version of the old hegemony strategy in a lot of places where it doesn't have a direct interest as you mentioned. They just buy influence, build relationships (debts), and establish their dominance the slow way like mafia-style. They're very busy doing that in Africa and South America right now.

[–]alexthealex [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hell they’re buying land in major metros all over the world.

[–]Zkang123 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Also, China is actually quite involved in the Middle East. They brokered a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia and probably buys Israeli arms while giving diplomatic support to the Gulf States and Iran

We don't hear all that because China exercises its influence through soft power and the media just focus on the US (and sometimes Russia) shenanigans

[–]Animegx43 [score hidden]  (1 child)

First answer I found that didn't feel like anti-American propaganda.

[–]mahmoodthick [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah bcos it’s the other type of propaganda, the one you’ve already bought into. It confirms perspectives you already hold.

[–]BernieMP [score hidden]  (2 children)

(Israel) that has a bunch of unfriendly neighbors bordering them

I'd be an unfriendly neighbor too if the duchebag next door kept inching his way across my yard for the past 70 years

[–]Gold_Telephone_7192 [score hidden]  (7 children)

The US doesn’t involve itself in the Middle East just because of Israel. It involves itself whether or not it affects Israel because it believes (for better or worse) that the instability of the Middle East is a breeding ground for terrorism and anti-western fundamentalist groups.

[–]BernieMP [score hidden]  (4 children)

And that's why they funded Al-Qaeda and Isis? To stop the destabilization....of course

[–]Gold_Telephone_7192 [score hidden]  (3 children)

The region was destabilized long before we got involved lol. And no, the US doesn’t just want it stabilized, they want it stabilized in a way that aligns with their interests. At the time, (they believed) backing those groups aligned with their interests/against other groups who they deemed worse

[–]BernieMP [score hidden]  (2 children)

And nothing says "stability" like changing leadership because it "doesn't align with my interests"

It's hilarious, you try to defend US destabilizing a country by letting us know that the reasons they're destabilizing a country are purely selfish, and you truly believe you're helping

[–]Gold_Telephone_7192 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’m not trying to defend anything, I’m just clarifying the motives

[–]Wooshio [score hidden]  (0 children)

Ask Afghani women if they preferred USA backed Afghani government or what they have now. The reality is that countries that align with USA usually end up more democratic and have higher standards of living than counties that don't. So yes, USA is helping (or at lest it used to before Trump), but sometimes the conditions in some of these countries make it impossible to "help".

[–]RickyNixon [score hidden]  (0 children)

Uh I think the American military killing innocent people and empowering despots for half a century was the main catalyst for terrorism and anti-Western people.

[–]Shackram_MKII [score hidden]  (8 children)

While china didn't suffer something as big as 9/11 it has suffered multiple terrorist attacks from islamist extremists since 2001.

The south Chinese sea is kinda equivalent to Americas Middle East

The shit redditors say with a straight face.

[–]No_Raspberry_8478 [score hidden]  (7 children)

Tell me with a straight face how you can’t draw parallels to south Chinese sea ambition to Americas investment in the Middle East

1:1 comparison? No. But you can draw rough comparisons.

[–]PlatypusBillDuck [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't think it fits because of geographic proximity if nothing else. Wouldn't the South China Sea be more analogous to the Monroe Doctrine and US intervention in the Caribbean? Operation Just Cause and stuff like that?

[–]Intel2025 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Thanks for the common sense answer. Something terribly lost on Reddit politics

[–]zx7 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The South China Sea and the US Middle East aren't really equivalent at all. Even Africa, China is building infrastructure at the request of African governments and luring them into debt traps; hardly the same as bombing elementary schools, assassinating leaders and imrisonment/physical torture and whatever else the US is doing in the Middle East. Russia is more analogous to the US than China is.

[–]SexyJazzCat [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nobody is saying China isn’t an imperialist nation. We’re saying the US is unequivocally more brutal. The amount of muslims the US military has killed dwarfs whatever China’s the past few decades.

[–]Stromovik 21 points22 points  (2 children)

  1. China has no expeditionary capacity ( aircraft carriers and marines )

  2. China has no network of military bases

  3. China has relatively poor military history.

  4. US has no history of invasion of their mainland and has relatively uniquely isolated. This means that US population is rather bloodthirsty due to knowing that reprecussions of their campaigns is next to none.

  5. China uses economic influence around the world rather than military.

  6. China lacks puppet states to use as fodder. ( Occupation of Iraq had how many partipicipants ? )

[–]mahavirMechanized [score hidden]  (0 children)

This answer should be more highly voted

[–]fatalexe [score hidden]  (0 children)

They also re-educate extremists and invest in modernization and integration of the areas that historically harbored jihadists in their western lands. Hard to ferment religious terrorism when your publishing, speech and religious activities are strictly controlled.

[–]Kingcosmo7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China actually has a VERY STRONG INTEREST in the middle east, actually, and they have been increasing their influence in that region for years. They mainly focus on diplomatic and economic influence however. That's not to say they wouldn't intervene militarily if if they could, but being able to exert military power anywhere in the world within a short time is something that only the US is uniquely capable of.

So, to answer your question, they do intervene. And regardless of all the pros and cons of doing so militarily, they really don't have the same kind of capacity to do so as the US does anyways.

[–]Subject_Pass_5256 6 points7 points  (0 children)

china's got its own vibe, focusing on trade and not wanting to get too entangled in messy conflicts. plus, they're probably trying to avoid the whole "forever war" situation the US is in.

[–]picknicksje85 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Playing the long game. Increasing soft power around the world. Increasing stable business deals as the US declines.

[–]Wloak [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is the correct answer.

China is currently investing in infrastructure and technology in emerging nations making them dependent to China for the next several decades at a minimum. This includes many countries in Africa with rare earth resources.

This was what the TPP (that Trump refused to move forward with his first term) was intended to prevent. As written it was to solidify alliances for trade and weaken China's position globally.

[–]Minute_Mongoose_20 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Trump is such a fool for defunding USAID, we had a lot of soft power and influence that he allowed China & Russia to fill that vacuum

[–]picknicksje85 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's him, his own greed. His blackmailers and billionaires behind him. Musk is sieg heiling in Germany at far right parties. Vance is cozying up to a dictator right now in Europe. All to take away our freedoms. You guys are losing a lot of old allies. We're going to strengthen ourselves, make deals with other nations like India and China, other good nations in NATO. You have to stop this madman PDF file.

[–]myredditlogintoo 14 points15 points  (2 children)

They're smarter.

[–]Potato-in-ur-ass [score hidden]  (0 children)

What the US is doing in Iran is dumb as shit. That doesn't automatically mean what China does is "smart".

The main reason China relies less on power projection through force is because they do not yet have the means for it, their military isn't there (yet). When they think they do have the means they go for it (e.g PLA Navy attacking Filipino fishing vessels to try and assert control over other countries' territorial waters).

In a general sense? Let's see now... looming on the cusp of the greatest demographic collapse in industrial history, check, giant real estate bubble, check, rampant corruption, check, quickly losing control over astronomical internal domestic debt, check. The list goes on; China is just as mismanaged as any other major nation.

[–]Independent-Buyer827 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or maybe they still can’t project that much military power far from their home yet.

[–]Florflok 10 points11 points  (4 children)

They're just focusing on taking over the regions around them

[–]Potato-in-ur-ass [score hidden]  (1 child)

The writing on the wall is already there.

That being said, even though they are still salty about it, their failed invasion of Vietnam in 1979 really broke their confidence. That was a wild time for sure; while Communist Vietnam was busy invading Communist Cambodia, Communist China thought they could surprise with an attack from the rear but failed.

For anybody who like me had missed that whole bit, the 1979 Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia is sometimes called "Vietnam's Vietnam". They repeated many of the exact mistakes that had made the Americans lose in Vietnam: they managed to take and hold most major cities while their invasion force got slaughtered in the jungle by fiercely motivated local guerillas. This went on for 10 years until the war's unpopularity was causing so much dissent back home that they withdrew. Even though Vietnam did oust the Khmer Rouge from power from most of the country, most of them came out of hiding and went right back into politics as soon as the Vietnamese left and most of them were pardoned and saw no punishment for their genocidal activities.

[–]claisen33 [score hidden]  (0 children)

China doesn’t like countries meddling in their affairs and doesn’t like seeing other countries do it. On the other hand, they also think Taiwan, Tibet, etc are part of their country.

[–]DoritoSteroid [score hidden]  (0 children)

They don't have the Navy to project power like we do. Nobody does.

[–]zoqfotpik [score hidden]  (0 children)

They are following Napoleon's advice: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

[–]costabius [score hidden]  (0 children)

They do. They just use soft power. Money, technology transfer, expert assistance on large projects, educational exchanges, etc. Increases their influence and no one starts shooting at them for being imperialistic douchebags.

[–]EgoSenatus [score hidden]  (0 children)

China doesn’t really have expeditionary forces to attack another country- it’s why it’s taking them 15+ years to invade Taiwan. That being said, they do have their fingers in a lot of pies, but it’s mostly in Africa and they more so do the blackmail game than the overt violence game.

[–]XOM_CVX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They do business with them and trying to build relationships.

While we had a business with them but we are destroying a relationship just to get people's mind off the Epstein file.

[–]Read_The_Fing_Manual [score hidden]  (0 children)

1) China does not have the ability to project military power much past its borders 2) China has never had a desire to and uses soft/economic power more effectively than the US or other western powers

[–]Illustrious-Gas-9766 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why on earth would any nation want to become involved in a war in the mid east ?

[–]happy-cig [score hidden]  (0 children)

They intervene a lot in Africa you just don't hear much about it. 

[–]ShootingRoller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No other nation can project military power around the world the way that we can. It takes things like long range bombers, military bases in other countries and aircraft carriers to do that.

[–]WitShortage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trump is going to end up legitimising theft of other nations' territory. Putin will use this to justify taking Ukraine. This will give China the "permission" to take Taiwan.

China doesn't give a fuck about the Middle East.

[–]EpicPotato806 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hide your strength, bide your time

  • Deng Xiaopeng

[–]polloyumyum [score hidden]  (0 children)

Meanwhile, the thread immediately below this one on my main page says

"Chinese AI satellite intelligence helping Iran target US forces with 'incredible precision', analysts say"

[–]highangryvirgin [score hidden]  (0 children)

Their are literally reports they just did with the recent ceasefire announcement. Trump himself is making china seem like a stable alternative to the western world order. The west is fractured no more NATO or us europe alliances. That gives china a huge boost as the more isolated America is the better off China is.

[–]B2utyyo [score hidden]  (0 children)

They have with their UN vote today about the Strait

[–]Donnicton [score hidden]  (0 children)

China at present has very little force projection capability. "Why doesn't China" is a non-starter when China simply can't.

[–]yknx4 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because china has been doing almost nothing and winning for the past decade. The us is self inflicting so much damage to itself it just doesn’t make sense for china to do anything. They can just wait for US to do their next eff up, meanwhile china keeps selling everything to everyone because they haven’t burned so many bridges as US

[–]TheDadThatGrills [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because there isn't a significant Chinese population in the Middle East.

[–]tech_creative [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why should they intervene in the Middle East? They are taking lessons for free, right now. Maybe the will intevene, but not now. Chinese, unlike Trump, like to think and then act, not the other way round.

[–]Pomstar1993 [score hidden]  (0 children)

China is too busy bullying SEA nations.

[–]mozebyc [score hidden]  (0 children)

They are too busy waiting for Taiwan

[–]honestduane [score hidden]  (0 children)

China gets all of its oil from that Island in Iran; But because it's sanctioned they typically use Malaysian proxies or other ghost fleet type ships because they basically are doing the same thing Russia does, to avoid sanctions.

Thing is, this means that Officially, China has no reason to get involved in this fight, so from their perspective if they intervene it would show weakness (The concept of "Saving Face" is BIG in China) because if you actually look at the numbers... China's getting like 90% of all that Middle East oil shipped to it directly because it requires that for its own function. So officially China doesn't act because they need that oil too much and they are worried about the political fallout of being officially tied to it more publicly.

[–]biophazer242 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They are busy in Africa and Asia... especially Africa. If it is a mine, highway or railroad being built in Africa it is a good chance China is involved with it.

[–]Nostonica [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because they don't have the decades of entanglement, the US has been installing and propping up all of groups in the middle east.

There is 3 powers in the middle east, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran. The US supports two of them.

China on the other hand doesn't want to play regime change and is perfectly happy to trade with whoever is in power. Much better for business and they don't have to keep the petrodollar relevant.

[–]S0meFriendlyAdvice [score hidden]  (0 children)

Oh they do..they just do it after the bombing inevitably stops, rebuilding bridges and hospitals amd factories.

[–]Objective-Duty-2137 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They're going to be the big winners and they're probably the worst system in regards to human rights. Talk about genocide, mass surveillance, total control.

[–]caveat_cogitor [score hidden]  (0 children)

What "intervention" has the US done? I mean there's obvious reasons why there's no interest for China to interfere or spend resources on current events, but putting this back to u/ArdaBerkBurak what is your perception on the actions by the US that anyone else would presumably like to participate in? There has been plenty bad happening in Iran and the surrounding region, but I'm not aware of the US using any of that to even pretend it had anything to do with recent military actions.

[–]cruisin_urchin87 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They just did apparently. They asked Iran to be reasonable

[–]AndyceeIT [score hidden]  (0 children)

I still haven't figured out why Iran was attacked in the first place. I would expect "not intervene" to be the norm.

[–]Bikerbass -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

Because they aren’t warmongering cunts like the USA is

[–]redditmethisonesir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They worked out economic dependence is better than violence, especially when backed by the ability to undertake that violence. They are buying up the world and having whole countries indebted to them for critical infrastructure. Same outcome, world domination, less war.

[–]Minute_Mongoose_20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a US citizen, this is correct.

As long as I’ve been alive for the most part we’ve been in some sort of war that the public did not want. Iran is no different and most Americans do not want to be involved in another war with no real reason and no exit strategy

[–]Joe_Exotics_Jacket [score hidden]  (1 child)

That’s a funny way to say less capacity. They aren’t more moral per say.

[–]Bikerbass [score hidden]  (0 children)

China: hey let’s made a trade deal where both you and I win, sound good to you?

America: I’m dropping bombs on you until you do what I say, so I can steal all your resources and make your people as poor as possible while I sponsor this guy over here to also bomb the fuck out of you to achieve this.

Hmm you have an interesting way of describing the above.

[–]Oliver_Klotheshoff -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Lmao they literally are hostile to far more countries than the US. Just because their attacks are economical, or political, or proxied, doesn't mean they are not attacks, don't be an idiot.

[–]Bikerbass -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Looks at everything you just said, then looks at the USA that does the exact same thing, but twice as bad…. Your point?

[–]TedW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not as warmongering as the US, obviously, but Tibet, Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea, and others come to mind.

[–]Bikerbass -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Then you will understand the 1979 reference of that’s the last time China was at war….. and currently the USA is at war. I’ll let you do the math

[–]madeupofthesewords -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Not disputing the US isn’t a war mongering cunt, but if nothing was stopping China, how long before they invade and annex Taiwan?

[–]Bikerbass -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’ll remind you that Taiwan is officially called the Republic of China, and that the majority of the world accepts that there’s only one China, and that’s the people’s republic of China. And that major powers like the USA officially recognise that Taiwan is a province of China.

It’s literally a non event that’s blown out of the water by morons

[–]ack4 0 points1 point  (1 child)

does it look like anyone is benefiting from US middle east intervention?

[–]No-Theory6270 [score hidden]  (0 children)

We’re fighting aunty semen ticks in the region

[–]BlackmillMiracle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because unlike Trump and his braindead, crayon-eating cult, China actually understands the importance of "soft diplomacy"

[–]Aggressive_Ranger_10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

China in 5000 years of history has never been interested in conquest but does want to “influence” their immediate neighbors. A hegemony, not a tyranny.

[–]ElijahNSRose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because they'd fail.

Because they're incapable of getting an army far beyond their borders.

Because they have no interest in the region.

And because they'd annex explicitly, not maintain a facade of local independence.

[–]No-Experience9432 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

they said when IsraHell tries to Nuke Iran they will Nuke IsraHell! So if this would escalate further they will intervene

[–]FormerlyUndecidable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only country that has threatened to nuke anyone is Iran threatening to nuke Israel, so it's a meaningless  threat: there's zero chance Israel would strike first with nukes.

I know you're bloodthirsty for Jewish blood,  but 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Israelis. That's 2.1 million other people in Israel besides Jews (That is not even including  the West Bank and Gaza, which they'd have a hard time seperating from their target).

 Not that you actually care about anyone in this conflict, but probably don't want to salivate too much over Israel being nuked given that fact.

[–]PuzzleheadedAd6401 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look what it's doing to the US.

[–]Oliver_Klotheshoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

China intervenes everywhere, they just do it differently than the US. China controls its private companies, it uses them to buy land and build infrastructure in other countries while avoiding most diplomatic barries. Look at their investments in Africa for example, they have private companies buy up land and build infrastructure that African nations want, and the minning rights end up with the Chinese, so they can punk African nations with no other option for the natural resources like platinum and cobalt, which China relies on them for otherwise.

The US gives the most food aid and noncommercial foriegn aid, but its free and clear, we get nothing in return because we dont buy the land or control the companies. As much as people don't want to believe it the US is actually a good guy (not saying we are perfect, by any means)

[–]codece [score hidden]  (0 children)

They play the winner in the next bracket

[–]Fit_Context_6064 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Chinese navy doesn't have that kind of reach.

[–]ah-boyz [score hidden]  (0 children)

Americans like to project their own aggression on to other countries. Has it occured to you that China prefers to spend time on things that matter like, oh I don’t know pushing through trade deals to allow more exports of their EVs?

[–]2ez2b4ortun8 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Much, much smarter than this administration. The bar is low.

[–]crimeo [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because intervening like this was dumb and doesn't make sense. There was no plan, no realistic goal. Why WOULD they? "Not being led by dementia patients" is your answer

[–]Odd-Law-3401 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because china didn’t have “Iraqi” passports that somehow survived a plane crash and black box audio with of people with Israeli accents fake an attack on one of their buildings. Yall should look at who owned the twin towers and what kind of insurance profits they made from that “terrorist attack”