I always appreciate the time and effort you take to respond to obvious nonsense in a way that is easy to follow for people who don’t have the perspective and knowledge to *already know* it’s nonsense. “Watch the Pitt” took me out BUT I’ve had a pt tell me that he didn’t realize how hard it can be until watching the show and if anyone gave us a hard time, let him know. Thank you sir, I will not be doing that ❤️
I worked for the Department of Emergency Medicine at an East Coast University Hospital for a decade after working closely with the ED at another hospital the six years prior. Ours was the only Level 1 Trauma Center for hundreds of miles in most directions, so we got a lot of serious cases and a lot of airlifted patients. I saw a Blackhawk helicopter land and take off from our roof once.
Want to learn how difficult that kind of work is? Watch The Pitt.
When health professionals tell you The Pitt is accurate, they’re not just talking about the way the show portrays the practice of Emergency Medicine.
The way the hospital administrators (too few of whom are clinicians, too many of whom are MBAs) treat the ED as the only department with rubber walls, making the ED responsible for dealing with the hospital’s staffing and bed unavailability issues with no regard for how that degrades emergency care…is wholly accurate.
The way administration utterly relies on the ED without giving it the respect it is due is accurate.
The way some specialists talk down to ED clinicians (whose specialty is one of both depth and extraordinary breadth) is accurate.
The shitty way too many people treat health care professionals, the constant threats to their bodily safety and the verbal abuse they’re expected to endure are all too accurate.
The dedicated, passionate, hard-working, imperfect people who are doing impossible, under-appreciated work under ridiculous conditions while suffering from acute PTSD and endless moral injury and are unable to get a break…are accurate.
The Pitt is great television - but I don’t think that’s why health care professionals love it.
I think The Pitt makes them feel seen in a way they just haven’t been in their entire professional lives.
I was listening to a really interesting interview with our lady j where she talked about her conversion journey and how her Jewishness intersects with her transness and which bible passages are especially meaningful to her as a trans person and I’m wondering if you have thoughts on the intersection of those identities and how ppl can be better allies to Jewish trans ppl. I always want to make sure my allyship to the trans community includes trans people of all backgrounds.
But none of that speaks to the experience of being both Jewish and Trans. From talking with Trans Jews, my impression is that they’d very much like their LGBTQ+ communities to stop being so unthinkingly and viciously hateful to Jews - but you don’t want my thoughts- you want the thoughts of Trans Jews.
Here are some trans Jews who have interacted with some of the above posts and who would likely receive a polite and sincere Ask cheerfully:
I always want to make sure my allyship to the trans community includes trans people of all backgrounds.
Maybe it was just hasty writing, but your phrasing indicates you’re only interested in being an ally to Trans Jews. I suspect that Trans Jews would similarly notice this and call it out.
When you’re a young adult, you discover that sometimes you need to explain things to middle agedadults who have missed something which changed in our rapidly-changing world. If you’re lucky, you have a solid relationship with your parents and they can hear you and listen and benefit from your perspective.
If you get older and have kids, you spend a lot of time trying to explain things to your kids in age-appropriate ways. If you’re smart, you never treat them like they’re stupid, you just patiently try to help them understand on whatever level they’re ready for.
Then, being in the middle of a generational sandwich, if you were lucky and your elderly parents never treated you like you were stupid, it seems obvious that you need to be patient with both your kids and your elderly parents as they go through late-life cognitive changes.
But the weirdest part comes after that when you enter the last third of your life.
You know that you’re entering the last third of your life when you realize your kids often understand things which youmissed in our rapidly-changing world. It might be popular culture, language, or social change - but they see things you miss and understand things you don’t.
If you’re lucky, your kids remember that you didn’t treat them like they were stupid, and they return the favor, explaining things to you with the same patience and kindness, helping you to avoid the worldview calcification and mental rigidity which seems so horribly common in aging folks.
I’m very lucky.
I have known plenty of teens who had none of this patience and even less humility - expressing mostly disdain or contempt for anyone over 40. But my kids aren’t like that.
My kids are smarter than I am and are rapidly building knowledge bases which exceed my own in many dimensions - and they clue me in on what I’m missing without ever treating me like I’m stupid.
And it seems worth taking a moment to be grateful for that. In a few decades, my teens will be at their cognitive peaks while I’m experiencing late-life cognitive changes which I may not even be able to perceive. And I can see, even while they’re still teens, that this will be okay - because they’re not going to treat me like I’m stupid.
I’m very lucky - and proud of my kids not just for their intelligence, curiousity, and communication skills - but their kindness.
Abi Gezunt was released in 1938 in the Polish film Mamale, but the Barry Sisters (US artists, given names Minnie and Clara Bagelman) recorded their version in 1957:
I love the Barry Sisters version. For comparison, here's the 1938 original, performed by Molly Picon (US actor, given name Malka Opiekun) in the Polish film Mamale:
Less than half of Americans read even a single book in a given year. If you're not reading regularly, you'll have trouble recognizing misleading rhetoric. You won't have the historical & media literacy needed to distinguish truth from lies. This is why they want you illiterate.
Ok but are Americans really so much more infuenceable than other people? I think that if there’s anything the last few years prove is that with the right approach, EVERYONE is susceptible. Yes, even people who read a lot of books.
Don't be. Studies have shown that the people most susceptible to start shilling supplements or straight up sugar pills as a miracle cures for cancer are healthcare professionals, and even moreso specialists.
From what I remember in the report I read, it's about ego. They're academics, experts of their fields. They have the paper that proves they know more than laymen.
So when explanations (in the healthcare case: "the cure for cancer") is something they cannot provide despite being experts, they will be in a vulnerable enough situation where gurus will prey on them. This is why so many gurus are "ex-doctors" or talk about how many years they have in the field.
So when faced with the incomprehensible cruelty of what Jews have faced for so long, it's far easier for someone who feels the need to have an answer to believe propaganda that "Jews deserve it" rather than admit that they simply do not know.
Please cite a study showing that "the people most susceptible to start shilling supplements or straight up sugar pills as a miracle cures for cancer are healthcare professionals, and even moreso specialists."
I'm a former medical librarian. I went looking for any studies suggesting this. I found none.
It's true that a number of snake oil shills are former health care professionals, but that's not the claim you're making.
Well if you searched for a study in english, you'll not have found anything, no, seeing how it's in french.
The book i read was "Gare aux gourous" by Georges Fenech, éditions du Rocher. Fenech is part of the Miviludes, which is the french anti-guru and anti-sectarian derivatives group.
You're just going to have to learn french, I suppose.
Thanks! My spoken French is merde, but I read it just fine.
Fenech draws on MIVILUDES data, which estimates that thousands of doctors (approx. 3,000 cited in MIVILUDES reports) are involved in sectarian or pseudo-therapeutic movements.
That's a far cry from the claim that "the people most susceptible to start shilling supplements or straight up sugar pills as a miracle cures for cancer are healthcare professionals, and even moreso specialists."
No such studies exist.
Data from MIVILUDES (which Fenech relies on) consistently shows that healthcare professionals are not the majority of "gurus."
Recent MIVILUDES reports indicate that roughly 20% of health-related sectarian drifts involve licensed healthcare professionals (doctors, pharmacists, etc.).
The vast majority of those (~80%) involve "pseudo-therapists" (naturopaths, life coaches, energetic healers) who have no medical degree at all.
So...no. There are no studies, in English or in French, supporting your assertion....and the source you cite directly contradicts your assertion.
There's a difference between half-remembered and misunderstood info from a book you once read...and actual scholarship supporting your assertion, boychick.
Want to develop media literacy skills but not sure where to start? Start by developing your research skills.
By developing the ability to actually examine claims, you’ll sharpen your bullshit detector as a side effect.
Ask questions. Ask for sources. Read the sources. Call out the bullshit.
I get why many are wary of the allopathic, western medical world. It’s not perfect. There are fools and snake oil salesmen operating within it, as there are in every field.
It is, however, more effective at reducing human suffering, improving quality of life, and lengthening human lifespans than literally every other effort in history combined.
I’ve worked in healthcare for the last 20+ years. Clinicians are mostly flawed human beings (watch The Pitt) who work their asses off mostly because they believe what they’re doing is an important way to help others.
Generalized condemnations of healthcare professionals should set off your bullshit-detecting spidey senses faster than you can say Evidence-Based Practice.
This post is about religious ideas so thoroughly embedded that most of us don’t realize we’re thinking inside them…or that others might think solely inside contradictory religious ideas.
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I stumbled across this clip of Pastor Aria Anna Miller speaking from the pulpit:
We are called to be visible and to trust and to believe that all are made in the image of this God of love. And if that’s true, then God is transgender.
And that means God is not only masculine but feminine also. And it also means that God is agender and intersex. Now you know why God is such a badass.
What interests me here isn’t the specifics of Pastor Miller’s claim, but the fact that Pastor Miller so confidently declares anything about what God is.
Pastor Miller argues that because God loves all people and all people are made in God’s image, God must contain everything humans are.
Pastor Miller is entitled to preach her beliefs about the nature of God, but it got me thinking about how and why a declaration about what God is could be readily heard from the Christian pulpit, but not from the Jewish bima.
The difference between these two traditions can be framed as this question:
Does God reach down to become like us,or do we reach up toward a God we can never fully comprehend?
The former is Christian, the latter is Jewish.
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Pastor Miller is engaged here in a bit of cataphatic theology - describing what her God is.
Maimonides, the 12th century rabbi (and arguably the most influential Jewish philosopher ever) spent much of his major work, the Guide for the Perplexed, stripping human characteristics away from God.
Every time the Torah describes God’s hand, God’s anger, or God’s regret, Maimonides says the same thing: that’s a concession to human language, not a description of divine reality. We cannot say what God is. We can only say what God is not.
This is called apophatic (or negative) theology. God is not finite. Not composite. God is not embodied…and therefore not gendered - and this is not because God contains all genders, but because gender is a property of physical creatures, and God has no body, no form, no attributes that map onto creaturely categories at all.
Pastor Miller’s progression from “all are made in God’s image” to “therefore God contains everything humans are” is exactly what Maimonides argues against.
B'tzelem Elohim (the image of God) says Maimonides, refers to the human capacity for reason and moral agency. It tells you something about humans. It tells you almost nothing about God.
PAstor Miller’s claim unsettled me even before I stopped to think about it - not because I think trans folks are any further from the divine than anybody else, but because the Jewish perspective is to resist the slide from “God loves humanity” to “God resembles humanity.”
Infinite love, in Jewish thinking, doesn’t require infinite similarity.
Our being like God ≠ God being like us
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This isn’t just an abstract philosophical difference between Jewish and Christian thought. It shows up everywhere.
Christian art often depicts God as the white bearded father…
…or as the glowing figure looking down through the clouds…
…but these are only possible if God can have a form.
Jewish law doesn’t prohibit depictions of God just to avoid idolatry, but because attempting to depict God is, to Jews, theologically incoherent.
You can’t depict that which has no depictable nature.
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Ideas about the emotions of the divine are also wildly different between Christianity and Jewish thought - and for the same reasons.
When Christians speak of God’s grief or heartbreak, they’re describing God as responsive, moved by events, affected by human choices, and experiencing emotions the way humans do.
Maimonides explicitly rejects this, not because God is cold, but because being acted upon implies limitation. God doesn’t have moods.
The words the Torah uses for divine emotion, in Jewish thought, describe how God’s actions land on us, not what’s happening in God’s inner life.
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The difference between these two ideas about the nature of God has a single source which is obvious if you think about it: The Incarnation.
If God became a person, then God has (or at least had) a body, a nervous system, an endocrine system, emotions…and a gender.
If God has been fully human, the idea that God contains the full range of human experience is almost inevitable.
So it seems to me that Pastor Miller isn’t doing anything eccentric here in the context of her own faith tradition, she’s following this very Christian idea in the direction it points.
I’m not criticizing that - I’m just trying to explain to Christians why Jews do not anthropomorphize God.
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It’s worth noting that the differences between these ways of thinking about God have downstream civilizational impacts.
A civilization built on “God became like us” naturally leans into universalism, confession, and the assumption that inner life should be made visible and witnessed.
A civilization built on“we reach toward what we cannot fully comprehend” leans into debate, irony, comfort with ambiguity, and the suspicion that anyone claiming to fully grasp (or speak for) the divine is probably selling something.
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These differing ideas about the divine produce more than completely different religions. They produce completely different ways of understanding our humanity.
One tradition closes the distance between God and humanity while the other guards that distance.
That single choice quietly determines how much certainty we trust, how much ambiguity we tolerate, and how suspicious we are of anyone claiming to speak for God.
As an Israeli who isn't terribly excited or supportive of the current war for various reasons, I still do come across countless hypocritical opinions about how "Israel's war" is illegal and I'm genuinely amused by the mere idea of a legal war. I usually comment to ask those who claim that what, exactly, is a legal war and if they could name a legal war recently fought anywhere in the world. This of course bring about anti-Semitic tirades in response and nothing else. Of course there's international law and the Geneva Convention but none of these people actually mean THAT nor can they ever actually quote anything relating to international law. What they don't say but usually mean is that Western countries aren't ALLOWED to fight what they consider to be 'oppressed' people, as though Hezbollah or Hamas are helpless little children and not two of the most well-funded, well-organized and well-armed Islamist organizations in the Middle East. All they mean, really, is Israel Bad/America Bad. So I wonder if you have any thoughts on the matter of 'legal war' and those claims that Israel's wars are 'illegal', not based on vibes but compared to the legality of other wars.
Legal War: An Infodump Explainer
In the framework of international law, the legality of a war is determined in one of two categories:
1. Jus ad bellum: The right to go to war
Under the UN Charter, there are two ways a war is “legal”
Self-Defense (Article 51): A state can legally use force if an “armed attack” occurs.
UN Security Council Mandate: Action authorized to maintain international peace (like the 1991 Gulf War).
Critics often call wars “illegal” when they believe the “self-defense” justification is a pretext or is no longer proportionate or necessary.
2. Jus in bello: Right conduct of war
This is where people often get confused. A war can be “legal” to start but actions taken in its execution are “illegal” if a party violates the Geneva Conventions (like targeting civilians).
This works the other way, too. A war can be “illegal” to start (an act of aggression) but still be fought “legally” according to the rules of engagement.
Words Mean Things - Specific Things
Anon, you’re absolutely right that In modern discourse, “illegal” is often used as a moral pejorative rather than a legal finding. It’s similar to the way the words “genocide” and “apartheid” are used against Israel not by their legal definitions, but as moral condemnation that is applied selectively.
Many modern conflicts (Iraq 2003, various proxy wars) exist in a “grey zone” where legal scholars might argue for decades - but the public simply applies the “illegal” label to conflicts they find morally or politically distasteful.
Does “legal” / “illegal” make sense for assymetrical conflicts or non-state actors?
International law was designed for uniform-wearing armies. When a state fights a non-state actor (like Hezbollah or Hamas) that 100% doesn’t follow these rules, the legal framework becomes incredibly messy while selective application applies not wildly different moral standards.
Ultimately, a “legal war” is one that fits into a specific, often narrow, treaty-based exception to a presumed global prohibition on inter-state violence.
Anon writes:
What they don’t say but usually mean is that Western countries aren’t ALLOWED to fight what they [leftists] consider to be ‘oppressed’ people, as though Hezbollah or Hamas are helpless little children and not two of the most well-funded, well-organized and well-armed Islamist organizations in the Middle East.
Funded and armed for decades by Iran, yeah.
Again, in the eyes of many modern professional havers-of-opinions, legality has been replaced by a faux morality based on relative capability and emotional resonance.
The relative capability argument is a kind of Underdog Bias. There is a pervasive (and often non-legal) belief that the party with more advanced technology, a formal state, or “Western” backing is inherently the aggressor.
Anon is right that this framing also involves a denial of agency. By framing groups like Hezbollah or Hamas as merely “oppressed people” rather than sophisticated military entities (run by intelligent adults who are capable of moral discernment), critics effectively pretend they’re not armies/combatants. (Perhaps worse, this is also a racist dehumanization of Hezbollah/Hamas members, casting them as reactive animals instead of intelligent human beings making conscious choices.)
This creates a useful rhetorical shield. If one side is “helpless victims,” any action against them is dishonestly framed as a crime rather than a war, regardless of the actions of the supposed victims.
Under the Geneva Conventions, the status of a person as oppressed or an underdog is irrelevant to the legality of a strike.
What matters is Distinction,Military Necessity, and Proportionality.
That’s why Israel was not committing a war crime by attacking Hamas in hospitals or killing combatants disguised in Red Crescent uniforms and riding in ambulances. Using the hospital or an ambulance for military purposes, as Hamas did and does, is a war crime called perfidy - feigning protected status to commit an attack. Targeting those objects after Hamas militarizes them is not.
This principle allows for the use of force only if it is actually required to achieve a legitimate military goal (like neutralizing an enemy combatant or destroying a weapons cache). You can’t just blow things up for “fun” or out of spite. Hamas using a building as a command center makes that building a legit target - not the whole block. That brings us to…
Even if a target is valid (Distinction) and hitting it is helpful (Military Necessity), it still may be “illegal” to pull the trigger if the collateral damage is too high.
The expected loss of civilian life must not be excessive compared to the direct military advantage gained, so you can’t (for example) level an entire occupied apartment building just to take out one sniper on the roof. The “cost” in civilian lives would outweigh the “value” of that one kill.
This is some of the most nauseating math I can imagine, and that’s the root of the problem with proportionality.
The law doesn’t define “excessive” No numbers, no ratios.There’s no objective standard. Instead, it leaves that judgement to the “reasonable commander” at the time of the strike.
Critics often see a resulting tragedy and call it “illegal” out of emotional resonance, ignoring distinction, the military value (necessity) of the target, and the proportionality.
Can we name an unambiguously legal war in modern times?
You bet.
The 1991 Gulf War to push the Iraqi military out of Kuwait was unquestionably legal by all standards.
There was explicit Security Council authorization.
There were clear acts of unprovoked Iraqi aggression against another sovereign state.
The US was invited into Kuwait by the sovereign Kuwaiti government
Preemptive framing based on that fabricated justification
Now let’s apply the same framework to the US/Israel strikes in Iran:
On jus ad bellum, I think the US attacks on the regime seem closer to Iraq 2003 than to the 1991 Gulf War.
The US is using preemption (hitting them before they hit us) as the primary legal justification and that doesn’t hold up.
Israel’s justification, though, is easier to argue under article 51 of the UN Charter. Israel has been attacked for years by the regime’s proxies, including on 10/7/23. On OCtober 1st, 2024, Iran launched what was at the time the largest ballistic missile attack in history - at Israel. The regime has openly worked to destroy Israel for decades.
The jus in bello questions can’t really be answered yet.
To do so so would require detailed knowledge about specific strikes and specific targets.
Distinction, Necessity, Proportionality…we can’t apply any of these tools without much more information than we have.
Meanwhile, when most people say “the war is illegal” they’re not talking about any of this.
They’re just reaching for the strongest possible moral condemnation they can think of. They don’t (and can’t) articulate which provision was violated.
We can - and we should. We should do so objectively and honestly, regardless of our feelings or group alliances.
Does it matter if the strikes on the regime by the US are illegal?
Was anyone in the GW Bush administration ever held accountable for the errors and deceptions of the 2003 invasion of Iraq?
Nope.
If enforcement is weak, inconsistent, or non-existent…is it still “law”?
Some argue that law requires centralized enforcement, and International Law doesn’t have that. Those folks say that this means it isn’t truly law.
Others argue law is a system of recognized rules that states treat as binding, even if enforcement is diffuse, indirect, ot reputational. These folks say international law is real…but structurally different. Enforcement may be delayed, but not absent.
(Tell that to Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, et al)
So when critics say “international law isn’t real”…are they right?
Their strongest arguments are:
It has no central enforcement authority
Powerful states can ignore it
Compliance is inconsistent at best
Courts lack jurisdiction over key actors
They’re undeniably right that enforcement is uneven and usually political - and that power seems to matter much more than “legality.”
But I would argue:
Law does not require perfect enforcement to be real
Many domestic laws are also unevenly enforced
International law regularly influences state behavior
So what is international law?
International law is a system of rules that states generally follow because it is in their interest to do so, backed by decentralized and imperfect enforcement mechanisms. It’s neither a global criminal justice system nor meaningless.
International law is real, but structurally weak.
Enforcement is diffuse, political, and inconsistent.
It still shapes incentives, behavior, and legitimacy over time.
So…is International Law “not real”? Is it fake?
No, that’s too simplistic to be accurate - but the people claiming it isn’t real are capturing something true about its limitations, biases, and wildly uneven/selective enforcement.
The same people would be really mad if Mizrahi Jews were upset by the star and crescent and were wary of Muslims after being forcibly expelled from their homes. They'd be downright pissed if Israelis Jews were afraid of Muslims after a bunch of far right, extremist Muslims invaded their country and killed over a thousand people and kidnapped more.
While this seeks to justify collective punishment of Jews worldwide, the same people would be outraged and screech about Islamophobia if they heard someone assert that perhaps some Westerners are fearful of Islamists due to the extraordinary amount of Islamist violence.
Do you think returning Gaza to Egypt and parts of the West Bank to Jordan would be best at this point? I feel like the Arab world needs to take some responsibility for their part in this mess. I don't think the two state solution is viable at this point, if it ever was to begin with.
TLDR: Israel tried to give them to Egypt and Jordan.
Egypt refused to take Gaza in 1979
When Israel and Egypt negotiated the 1979 Peace Treaty, Israel was actually eager to wash its hands of the Gaza Strip.
The primary goal for Egypt during the Camp David negotiations was the return of the Sinai Peninsula. Israel tried to include Gaza in the package.
President Anwar Sadat famously refused. Egypt had occupied Gaza from 1948 to 1967, but they never annexed it and did not want the administrative, security, or demographic burden of 2 million Palestinians.
Sadat insisted that Gaza’s future be tied to a future Palestinian state rather than becoming part of Egypt again. This resulted in the treaty specifically defining the Egypt-Israel border along the old Mandate line, excluding Gaza. Egypt effectively said, “We’ll take Sinai, but Gaza is your problem now.”
This freed Egypt of the security and administrative burden while continuing to use Gazans as a political tool - and that suited Sadat just fine.
Jordan washed its hands of the West Bank in 1988
The situation with Jordan and the West Bank is even more legally distinct because Jordan actually did annex the West Bank in 1950, granting Jordanian citizenship to its inhabitants.
After losing the territory to Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, King Hussein of Jordan spent two decades trying to find an arrangement where he would regain control.
By 1988, two things changed King Hussein’s mind:
The First Intifada made it clear that Palestinians wanted independence, not a return to Jordanian rule.
The PLOwas gaining international recognition as the sole representative of the Palestinians.
On July 31, 1988, King Hussein gave a televised speechrenouncing all claims to the West Bank. He severed administrative and legal ties, essentially telling the world that Jordan is Jordan, Palestine is Palestine, and it was no longer Jordan’s business or responsibility.
None of this is going to change now
I feel like the Arab world needs to take some responsibility for their part in this mess.
Anon’s point about Arab responsibility is a common sentiment for good reasons which we won’t go into right now, but Egypt and Jordan have gone to great lengths to avoid any responsibility.
From the perspective of Cairo and Amman, taking back these territories is a strategic trap.
Egypt views Hamas (which has roots in the Muslim Brotherhood) as a direct threat to its own internal stability. Jordan fears that absorbing the West Bank would turn Jordan into a substitute Palestine, potentially destabilizing the Hashemite monarchy. Some estimate already suggest that already 60% of Jordan’s residents are Palestinian.
Both countries argue that if they took the territories back, it would liquidate the Palestinian cause by permanently denying Palestinians a state of their own, which would cause massive unrest in their own populations.
Keeping the Palestinians in limbo and under Israeli control, despite the fact that they don’t want it, makes Israel look bad. Egypt and Jordan love that. The Arab league has always been happy to screw the Palestinians if it hurt Israel.
I don’t think the two state solution is viable at this point, if it ever was to begin with.
I think you’re right, but that’s too big a topic for this post. If you’re interested, I wrote a three part series on that topic.
For more on Jordan, see this post. (There’s no mature content.)
Today, @edithsweetithh reminded me of the Mark Twain quote: "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
I don't trust the judgement or competence of the Trump administration. I don't know if this will turn out to have been a good idea -
...but people behaving as if the regime is something other than evil and profoundly dangerous to Iranians and the world are either useful idiots or propagandists.
I rarely see people show their own asses on this scale: Our 19yo Turkish friend argues that antisemitism isn’t a thing…in a nakedly antisemitic pinned post.
Israeli Jew here (just so you know where I’m coming from):
I agree with you that the right of return is unfesable and absurd and that Palestinians need to accept that if we’re going to ever have some semblance of peace
But
How do you reconcile that on moral terms with the large scale aliyot during the Ottoman Empire and British mandate? I’m just curious on an intellectual level how you make the distinction. Do we not argue that Jews had a right to return to their ancestral land?
I think you see a possible contradiction here because you’re equating two forms of “return” which are not comparable.
When Zionists talked about Jews “returning,” they were talking about immigration and national self-determination. Jews were scattered across dozens of countries, usually persecution. The goal was to rebuild a national home in the place Jewish history, religion, and identity came from. In practice that meant immigration, land purchases, and eventually statehood.
The Palestinian “right of return” claim is something different. It is usually framed as a legal right for millions of descendants of 1948 refugees to move into Israel itself today for the explicit purpose of destroying Israel.
That difference matters.
One is a claim that a people should be able to build a state in their ancestral homeland.
The other is a claim that millions of people should be able to enter an already existing state in numbers large enough to execute their intent end it.
Those are not the same political demand.
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None of this means the Palestinian refugee problem is fake or trivial.
The 1948 war created a refugee population and many families lost homes and property. That history is real, and any serious peace deal has to address it through things like compensation, resettlement, and perhaps some negotiated return.
But acknowledging a refugee tragedy is not the same as accepting a demand that would effectively dismantle the state that now exists.
So the distinction is actually pretty simple.
Jewish return meant immigration and rebuilding a nation. The Jews agreed to peaceful partition and only a tiny sliver of what had ben mandate Palestine. It was the Arabs who instead choose a war which they lost. That’s been the case every single time:
Israel tries for peace
Arabs choose war instead
Arabs lose the war they started
Arabs complain that Israel is evil for winning wars it didn’t want and didn’t start.
That’s what happened in 1948, and every time since.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The modern Palestinian “right of return” claim is about mass immigration into an existing country.
Once you separate those two ideas, the supposed contradiction mostly disappears.
Imagine any other circumstances in any other nation where a population demands entry to a sovereign nation for the explicit purpose of destroying that nation…and having the chutzpah to call that a “right.”
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Why are there so many Palestinian “refugees,” though?
Because resettlement was a never a goal of the Arab League, which explicitly, refused to absorb any of them, sought to avoid resettlement anywhere, and instead kept them in an artificial “refugee” status as a weapon against the existence of a Jewish state.
Palestinianism has always been the conscious choice to increase Palestinian suffering for the purpose of weaponizing it against the existence of a Jewish state.
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Thought experiment:
Take Palestinian culture and subtract the feverish, deranged hatred of Israel’s existence: What’s left?
Really, what else is left to distinguish Gazans from Egyptians? What distinguishes Arabs in the West Bank from Jordanians?
I cannot even begin to explain how fucking stupid and pathetic one has to be to type any of this nonsense out into words. How can the absolute hypocrisy and embarrassment not immediately hit you. Where to begin the first sentence bit is already insane enough „Palestinians should just accept genocide“ One doesn’t need to read further. Everyone who reblogged this positively should be arrested. Proof again that every Isntreali is guilty of perpetrating Land theft and ethnic cleansing and that also applies to people of jwsh faith in general because parroting these nazi talking points is normal to you and by how hard the jewish tumblr community seems to mirror and also parrot them it’s a general belief
Oh my God you are priceless:) You used the term 'Isntreali' after a description of how Palestinianism is more about hating Jews than loving Palestinians. Holy shit, bud, you're perfect:)
What a pointless, semantically empty comment from @ecobags1.
I cannot even begin to explain how fucking stupid and pathetic one has to be to type any of this nonsense out into words.
Translation: You’re stupid, pathetic, and should shut up. (No support for these allegations)
How can the absolute hypocrisy and embarrassment not immediately hit you.
Translation: You’re a hypocrite. (Asserted without evidence, written as a question but without a question mark.)
Where to begin the first sentence bit is already insane enough ,Palestinians should just accept genocide" One doesn’t need to read further.
Translation: I condemn as insane something not said anywhere in the post and I condemn it despite not having bothered to read it. (The “genocide” libel is never supported, just asserted.)
Everyone who reblogged this positively should be arrested.
Translation: Freedom of speech should be suspended for people I don’t agree with.
Proof again that every Isntreali is guilty of perpetrating Land theft and ethnic cleansing and that also applies to people of jwsh faith in general because parroting these nazi talking points is normal to you and by how hard the jewish tumblr community seems to mirror and also parrot them it’s a general belief
Translation: All Israelis and all Jews are thieves and Nazis. (This racist holocaust inversion and libel is asserted with no support of any kind.)
@ecobags1 needs to touch some grass and read a book.
@jraker4, did you see their blog? They have no facts to build on, no moral reasoning to share, and no rhetorical ability with which to communicate the facts or reasoning they don’t have.
This is an angry, know-nothing teen venting their spleen on the internet.
Hi, I saw a post on here the other day implying that Russia is pushing/making pro-Palestine propaganda (something along the lines of its surprisingly easy for Tumblr users to fall for Russian propaganda using the pro-Palestine movement as an example). I feel like I've heard this before but nothing concrete, and I'm genuinely curious if you know whether this is happening and to what extent?
These images illustrate how the Soviet Union visually equated Zionism with Nazism and colonialism throughout the 1960s and 70s.
You’ll notice striking similarities between these graphics and the infographics commonly seen on social media today.
This is not coincidence.
Most of the slogans and frameworks used in the “Free Palestine” movement today weren’t created by Gen Z activists. They were engineered by the KGB and Soviet Agitprop (Agitation and Propaganda) departments over 50 years ago.
The Great Pivot
In 1948, the USSR actually supported Israel. But when Israel aligned with the West, the Soviets needed a way to turn the “Global South” against them. They launched a massive ideological campaign to rebrand Zionism (the movement for Jewish self-determination) as a form of “white supremacist colonialism.”
They created a state-sponsored “science” called Zionology. The goal was simple: make Zionism synonymous with the world’s greatest evils (Nazism, Racism, and Imperialism) so that opposing Israel became a “progressive” moral requirement.
“Zionism is Racism” (UN Resolution 3379)
The crowning achievement of this era was the 1975 UN Resolution declaring “Zionism is a form of racism.” This wasn’t a grassroots human rights initiative; it was a Soviet-led diplomatic hit job.
Though the UN revoked it in 1991, the damage was permanent. It gave activists a “scholarly” and “international” license to treat the Jewish state as uniquely illegitimate. When you see modern infographics using these exact terms, you are seeing the tail-end of a 50-year-old Soviet PR campaign.
And yes, Russia is doing this again (along with Iran and Qatar).
Today, Russia (and its modern disinformation machine) uses the Israel-Palestine conflict in the West as a wedge issue. They don’t have to invent new lies. They just amplify existing tensions. By flooding platforms like Tumblr or Twitter with high-emotion content, they force Westerners to pick sides and fight each other.
If Russia can make young Americans believe their government is funding a genocide, it weakens domestic support for all Western foreign policy, including support for Ukraine.
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It is surprisingly easy to fall for it because this propaganda is designed to look like social justice. It uses the language of liberation to hide its origins in Cold War geopolitics.
When you see a post that frames a 3,000-year-old indigenous connection as settler-colonialism, or equates the Star of David with a Swastika, you’re seeing a Soviet turd that’s been polished for 21st century “progressives.”
Going to add another source that covers specifically Academic "Antizionism" and how that derives from Zombie Soviet bullshit. Feel free to remove/ask me to delete if you don't feel it serves your point.
Hi, I saw a post on here the other day implying that Russia is pushing/making pro-Palestine propaganda (something along the lines of its surprisingly easy for Tumblr users to fall for Russian propaganda using the pro-Palestine movement as an example). I feel like I've heard this before but nothing concrete, and I'm genuinely curious if you know whether this is happening and to what extent?
These images illustrate how the Soviet Union visually equated Zionism with Nazism and colonialism throughout the 1960s and 70s.
You’ll notice striking similarities between these graphics and the infographics commonly seen on social media today.
This is not coincidence.
Most of the slogans and frameworks used in the “Free Palestine” movement today weren’t created by Gen Z activists. They were engineered by the KGB and Soviet Agitprop (Agitation and Propaganda) departments over 50 years ago.
The Great Pivot
In 1948, the USSR actually supported Israel. But when Israel aligned with the West, the Soviets needed a way to turn the “Global South” against them. They launched a massive ideological campaign to rebrand Zionism (the movement for Jewish self-determination) as a form of “white supremacist colonialism.”
They created a state-sponsored “science” called Zionology. The goal was simple: make Zionism synonymous with the world’s greatest evils (Nazism, Racism, and Imperialism) so that opposing Israel became a “progressive” moral requirement.
“Zionism is Racism” (UN Resolution 3379)
The crowning achievement of this era was the 1975 UN Resolution declaring “Zionism is a form of racism.” This wasn’t a grassroots human rights initiative; it was a Soviet-led diplomatic hit job.
Though the UN revoked it in 1991, the damage was permanent. It gave activists a “scholarly” and “international” license to treat the Jewish state as uniquely illegitimate. When you see modern infographics using these exact terms, you are seeing the tail-end of a 50-year-old Soviet PR campaign.
And yes, Russia is doing this again (along with Iran and Qatar).
Today, Russia (and its modern disinformation machine) uses the Israel-Palestine conflict in the West as a wedge issue. They don’t have to invent new lies. They just amplify existing tensions. By flooding platforms like Tumblr or Twitter with high-emotion content, they force Westerners to pick sides and fight each other.
If Russia can make young Americans believe their government is funding a genocide, it weakens domestic support for all Western foreign policy, including support for Ukraine.
—
It is surprisingly easy to fall for it because this propaganda is designed to look like social justice. It uses the language of liberation to hide its origins in Cold War geopolitics.
When you see a post that frames a 3,000-year-old indigenous connection as settler-colonialism, or equates the Star of David with a Swastika, you’re seeing a Soviet turd that’s been polished for 21st century “progressives.”
Going to add another source that covers specifically Academic "Antizionism" and how that derives from Zombie Soviet bullshit. Feel free to remove/ask me to delete if you don't feel it serves your point.
Even though I understand the First Amendment issues with them, I'm thrilled that there's been laws popping up in local and state legislatures saying that protesters can't be within a certain distance of houses of worship aka synagogues, especially in New York City where Mamdani is crying about that bill being essentially veto proof. Maybe if the Pro-Pals didn't get off on harassing Jews... I'm sorry, "Zionists" at their synagogues, maybe this wouldn't be a thing, now would it? They have nobody but themselves to blame and the schadenfreude of it all brings me so much happiness in these times.
i can’t take anyone seriously who’s mad about this because of the first amendment or whatever. we already have a similar law in place in new york (and in other states/municipalities) that establishes buffer zones at abortion clinics because of the history of targeted harassment and violence against them. and having worked at an abortion clinic for 7 years, i can assure you that the anti-abortion freaks are without a doubt still able to exercise their first amendment rights every. single. fucking. day. it just means that they’re not able to be right up at the building or intimidate/harass anyone (theoretically at least. they still get away with nonsense all the time that shouldn’t be allowed but that’s a whole other thing).
the double standard is just so blatant that it’s insulting.
I am the anon who sent in an ask about if antizionism is always antisemitic, which was quite a while ago.
I wanted to thank you for such a thoughtful response. Because of your response, I have, since then, been reading up on and learning more about antisemitism and its history (its very very long history).
Anyway, I recently finished the book “Why the Jews?” by Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin, which has an entire chapter dedicated to antizionist antisemitism. Before this, before your response, I had no idea how much antisemitism was on the left, which is ignorance on my part. Having done much reading and as the left has progressed further and further into antisemitism, I find that so much of what the left is saying in regards to Jews could have been and sometimes is pulled straight from Soviet era antisemitic propaganda.
I’m sure none of this is a surprise to you. I’m rambling though.
I want to say that your responses and care and thoughtfulness matter. They matter so much. Your response to my question prompted me to look deeper, to read more, and to understand something I had been ignorant about previously. So thank you. Thank you doesn’t really feel like enough, but I have no other words than that.
I wanted to know your thoughts on if antizionism could be not antisemitic? Most of what I see touted as antizionism reads antisemitic to me and I was curious to know if antizionism is inherently antisemitic?
You noticed that contemporary antizionist rhetoric seemed like Jew hatred. You did that just by paying attention and thinking critically.
Despite the fact that you’re not Jewish and the issue doesn’t much impact your life, you decided to submit the Ask.
The answer was submitted anonymously, so you weren’t notified when it was answered. This means you cared enough about the topic to come back looking for it.
You took the time to thoughtfully read the very long answer.
You decided to follow up by seeking out more information from multiple sources. You chose to spend time learning more.
Youdecided to look deeper, to read more, and to understand something you had been ignorant about previously. You did that.
Then you came back to close the loop and tell me what you’ve learned.
That was a gift, Anon. It gives me hope that hate can be fought with information and that there are still people who think critically and read broadly.
“Thank you” doesn’t really feel like enough, Anon - but please know this comes from the bottom of my heart: thank you.
So your post about mutilating a child always being wrong even if it’s for religious or cultural purposes, where do we land on circumcision in the “wrong or right” scale?
That only works as a gotcha’ if female genital mutilation and circumcision were the same kind of thing.
Because they are not, you’re not exposing a contradiction, you’re just dishonestly avoiding the difference in severity, intent, and outcome.
The example in the post is female genital mutilation. Let’s be clear what that involves, mkay?
WHO classification of FGM
Type I (Clitoridectomy) Partial or total removal of the clitoris (and sometimes the clitoral hood)
Type II (Excision) Removal of the clitoris and the labia minora (sometimes also labia majora)
Type III (Infibulation) Narrowing of the vaginal opening by cutting and repositioning the labia; may or may not include clitoral removal
Type IV (Other harmful procedures) Includes pricking, piercing, scraping, or cauterization
Types I and II are direct attempts to eliminate sexual function. These cause significant, permanent harm and carries serious medical risk.
Male circumcision does not do that. It does not eliminate sexual function, it does not operate with the same intent, it causes nothing like the same level of harm.
If you flatten those into the same category, that’s carelessness, not consistency.
That said, there’s still a real question underneath your comment.
I’m not enthusiastic about unnecessary cosmetic procedures on children who cannot consent - and that includes circumcision. Moral discomfort, though, exists on a spectrum, not a false binarism of “wrong or right” as you put it in your Ask.
FGM is an easy case. The harm is severe and targeted. Prohibition is justified.
Circumcision is not in that category. You can (and should, IMO) question its ethics without pretending it is equivalent.
(Related: There are aspects of some circumcisions I would absolutely favor banning. Metzitzah b’peh introduces a direct, preventable infection risk to infants and isn’t required by any religious standards. At that point, you’re no longer talking about an abstract cultural practice, but a concrete public health risk to a non-consenting child. That justifies regulation, including prohibition. I think it is a major failure that it isn’t totally banned in the US.)
So the framework doesn’t break.
Not all practices are equal. Some are clearly and severely harmful, and those are the ones that justify intervention.
If you want to argue about where circumcision belongs on that spectrum, that’s a real conversationwe could have - but pretending circumcision is the same mutilation as the excision of the clitoris is either clueless or dishonest.
Today, @edithsweetithh reminded me of the Mark Twain quote: "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
I don't trust the judgement or competence of the Trump administration. I don't know if this will turn out to have been a good idea -
...but people behaving as if the regime is something other than evil and profoundly dangerous to Iranians and the world are either useful idiots or propagandists.
this is an extremely unserious comparison. Antiwar sentiment here isn't the dumbass "well if America is the bad guy the other guy is the good guy" logic you see in twitter leftists who have missed the point by a mile. The American public has had at least 20 years of experience that leads them to think that regime change via airstrike isn't a very useful approach to geopolitics. "I don't trust the judgement or competence of the Trump administration" neither did I, and they've somehow done worse than I could've predicted. That's a pretty big factor in the protests too. And anyone who thinks the plight of the Iranian people is on their minds or part of their goals, they're the useful idiots here.
Well, you’re right they’re not the same, but both are idiots. These contemporary protestors aren’t just opposing Trump’s actions in Iran. Look closely.
Second, nobody thinks Trump is motivated by concern for the people of Iran.
The people of Iran and everyone else in the world who understands this regime don’t care.
Today, @edithsweetithh reminded me of the Mark Twain quote: “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.”
I don’t trust the judgement or competence of the Trump administration. I don’t know if this will turn out to have been a good idea -
…but people behaving as if the regime is something other than evil and profoundly dangerous to Iranians and the world are either useful idiots or propagandists.