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Andy Wingo

in these days of coding agents and what-not, i often think of gerald sussman's comment that one no longer constructs systems from known parts, that instead one does basic science on the functionality of foreign libraries (wingolog.org/archives/2009/03/); he was right then and i hate it as much as i did 16 years ago

wingolog.orginternational lisp conference -- day two — wingologwingolog: article: international lisp conference -- day two

@wingo (flipping heck at that penultimate paragraph)

And people keep adding layers and layers of abstractions where it’s causing more problems than it solves. In the web framework world my push against that is mastrojs.github.io

mastrojs.github.ioMastro: the simplest web framework and site generatorA minimal tool for people who care about their users and the web.

@wingo same, but i feel it's worth noting that early programmers were doing science with the hardware available heh

and that agentic stuff is more pseudo science: "here's how i operate a deeply stochastic process: i have convinced myself it understands language on a semantic level"

@wingo see also: people are using "lines of code written" as a measure of progress

it does the first 70% for you etc

when you're actually writing the code, lines of code is a reasonable proxy for "how well you understand the problem and the solution"

but that isn't true when you outsource or delegate the work

you don't know what's done, what's missing, what's working, or what might be tricky

your actual progress is closer to zero even if you have a lot of code generated

@tef @wingo

I often measure my progress by lines of code removed.

@tef Holy crap, that's a really good point I hadn't thought about. It really is a retrocess to the LOC counting thought process...

@wingo I sometimes say programming is a great hobby and an ok job, definitely feels like the latter is less true over time.

You’ve got a dangling %29 in the URL sir

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