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James Tucker's avatar

Óðinn, Vili & Vé would have originally alliterated (the initial v/w was dropped before a back vowel in Old Norse, but was still preserved in West Germanic forms like Wóden & Wótan), as was common in Germanic poetry. There is no way that Snorri, or even a Pagan author retelling the old story, could have known that, and it proves that the story must predate the Old Norse language.

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I am not very familiar with the Eddas or outright mythological literature, but I am better acquainted with the Nibelungenlied and Volsunga saga, the works of Germanic legend, rather than myth.

The legendary cycles come from an interesting time when Germania was in the process of Christianization, Francia was a Germanic country, and real historical events blend with myth. The real life Siegfried was probably a Nicene Christian from West Francia and not a pure German pagan hero; the same goes for Brunnhilde (not that either of these characters are necessarily paragons of Christ-like virtue). The figure from which we probably derive the hero Siegmund is a canonized saint in the pre-schism Church, King Sigismund of Burgundy (patron saint of the Germanic peoples, btw). Gunther of Burgundy (Sigismund’s ancestor) and his vassal and kinsman Hagen Tronje were figures from a time of transition when Burgundy was embracing Christianity, but had not fully left paganism behind. And I think we all know who Attila the Hun is and where he relates to the historical record.

Of course, a lot of these figures are composites, as Brunnhilde is sometimes Frankish, sometimes Icelandic, and sometimes a mythological Valkyrie. But the main point to derive from all this is that the Germanic heroic legend isn’t pagan and it isn’t Christian—it’s German, and it transcends religions because it was developed in a time of religious transition.

And most of these legends are interfaced into the modern world through the operas of Richard Wagner, whose works represented his own religious beliefs: a complicated blend of Lutheranism, Catholicism, paganism, atheism, Nietzschean vitalism, and even traces of Buddhism. As an Orthodox Christian, I am none of these things, yet I think there is still a lot of value and meaning we can all derive from the ancient works and their romantic-era operatic adaptations.

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