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[–]Less_Fortune_3561 62 points63 points  (4 children)

I mean good troll but it seems like kind of a waste of time considering before this the search was basically dead anyway. If you pulled this off in like 2023, 2024ish it might've hit harder. I've mostly lurked the search for this just out of curiosity for 9/11 lost media in general so I'm not that invested in the community as a whole but I think the biggest troll job you could've did was go completely silent again and never reveal you faked this.

[–]jevendany 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I do think they should have let everyone stew for a while longer, but if this troll was motivated by instances of harassment they might have wanted to pull the rug quickly to avoid more happening.

[–]ComfortableChip8242 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yeah but now you’re probably going to have people who are furious about this go and start bombarding people who want to be left alone with messages about LSM. And they’re going to do it out of spite.

Probably would have been better to just never respond again and leave everyone hanging.

[–]Swiss_Halberdier 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Right now we can just hope for people not to get too angry, but honestly I'm worried because this is one hell of a fuckfest. If the sub gets reported for harassment we're just done.

[–]Less_Fortune_3561 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's going to stop regardless of their troll job but I get your point. Legit the only reason I was even on this board at all the past week was because of this lol. Like I straight up assumed lolsuperman was fake for years but then I caught word of this and thought it was interesting. Having said that, I'm kind of glad he revealed this is a fake because I can think of a particular cameraman on 9/11 that has been harassed to the ends of the earth and given the letter or name involved in this clip, one can put two and two together as to who I'm referring to and I wouldn't want to see him relive the trauma yet again.

[–]Successful_Arm4887🏦Archivist 38 points39 points  (0 children)

[–]Main_Scientist_4145 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Hmm. While I respect the level of troll here, this is going to actually have a negative impact. People are going to be absolutely pissed, and double down.

[–]drcurtisreed 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Stop plastering your site logo on pre-existing 9/11 media without permission.

What an insanely specific thing to say.

[–]qprima 87 points88 points  (10 children)

Making fake footage of a real life tragedy is kinda fucked lol

[–]MonsterDCST 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Right? It doesn’t really vibe with his whole holier-than-thou attitude 

[–]qprima 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I called out someone in the mttj discord yesterday for doing something similar. He was making AI recreations of what lol Superman would look like on a computer and when I asked why he said “just for fun”. I don’t see how muddying the waters of a tragedy is fun to people but sure ig

[–]RDA_SecOps 8 points9 points  (1 child)

People have too much free time on their hands to do shit like this fr

[–]Zopotroco👀Lurker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For real, it surprises me

[–]AnotherWeirdouu -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

i mean, we are searching material of people dying so, idk

[–]Shadowcow4967 57 points58 points  (1 child)

‘i got upset that people were insensitive about 9/11 so i started a hoax video about 9/11’s shattered corpses, but you guys are in the wrong i swear bro’

[–]Anasphore_ 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Your life must be so sad. Really.

[–]Osiris2Times 52 points53 points  (3 children)

That was a good fake, and it is kinda nice that you came clean after a day instead of dragging it for ages.

But you wasted 2 years to troll a community that’s mostly entirely different people than what it was when you started. Not only that, but most of us don’t really care and we always knew of the possibility of it being not real. You seem like a chronically online troll, who’s using a guise of virtue to justify that you’re just looking for attention. Because if you were really morally sound, you wouldn’t recreate a tragedy piece by piece, and you also inadvertently caused a lot more people to be harassed in the time you’ve been working on this.

Not only that, but you’re still in contact and talk to buddies from your early 2000’s gore phase. You obviously never grew up.

[–]ComfortableChip8242 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit lol.

[–]FoxxoMcFoxFace 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Cooked his ass

[–]AnyRecommendation994 20 points21 points  (0 children)

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IS REAL MY PEOPLE

[–]DValentino23 18 points19 points  (1 child)

[–]Illustrious-Orchid90 40 points41 points  (0 children)

LMFAO why would you waste your time doing that to prove a point?!

[–]SupermarketBrief6332🔎Researcher 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Turns out, LSM was indeed only the friends we made along

[–]dead_5775 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I found the most suspicious detail to be the high compression. It didn't make sense for someone making a gif, presumably with the original source video, to compress the video so much before turning it into a gif. It pointed toward an intentionally obscured 3d model more than anything.

I appreciate the coming clean though, had a lot of people pretty annoyed that there wasn't a single obvious smoking gun as far as a fake goes (9/11archive discord gets a ton of AI fakes and the like) and that we had to rely on pointing out stuff like h264 compression artifacts and missing reflections from the tower's steel beams. We would have had to put a lot of time and effort into debunking it with the sheer volume of people reposting the gif.

[–]throwaway63249234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was skeptical of it at first cause it reminded me so much of previous recreations but I ended up believing it to be real cause it was just so out of the blue after the search had already gone cold for years

[–]MidnightMercer 47 points48 points  (10 children)

Only became aware of lol Superman a couple hours ago and now seeing this post. Can’t add much other than this seems sad. What a sad life.

I’m thinking this has to be some sort of generational fumble. An elaborate troll that has been in the making for two years gets revealed in one day? Mf just could not stay quiet.

[–]cur4ymuncha9000 15 points16 points  (0 children)

should've let it linger longer lol

[–]_ferko 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Lol, and I was downvoted for essentially exposing this exact fabrication with the intent to look as genuine coincidence. Great work guys.

[–]sarah_herself 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Me aswell it was actually my comment you replied to. Ive been trying to tell everyone the story is just way too coincidental, one dude told me someone would never waste a year to troll this community, low and behold...

[–]murlocgangbang 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The strangest thing to me is this guy has been building this up for 2 years, posting fake testimonies on random websites, manufacturing a fictional character with a complete backstory, dedicating weeks of his life to making a fake recreation, just to release the clip and not even 2 days later reveal it as all being fake? What was even the point of revealing so soon? He might as well have just uploaded the clip saying it was fake, it would have had the same effect. Didn't even give people enough time to get duped by it. Honestly hilarious this guy wasted all that time and effort for literally no reason.

[–]fat-emo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

we live in a society ahh reveal

[–]Zopotroco👀Lurker 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You’re definitely not right in the head. And you thought that you were sending a message

[–]Appropriate_Escape23 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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It’s you

[–]Cheap-Pepper928 31 points32 points  (0 children)

lol

[–]_Freakmenn_ 39 points40 points  (6 children)

i joined this sub 3 days ago, from a single post on r/InternetMysteries and i feel like im joined the show at the ending season

this is the most wild shit i have ever seen in my entire fucking life. everything about this was perfect. i learned about interpersonal drama between entire communities dedicated to finding a video they MIGHTVE seen with whole ass conspiracies and plot points and everything. the fake username and YT, the lack of anything popping up when searching the username, the fucked up metadata, the endless arguments, the whole goose chase mystery

just fucking amazing. gg wp

[–]jevendany 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I've been following this mystery for years and I feel the exact same way. There's a shocking, cinematic finality to it all, like a controversial twist ending of a TV show: all along it wasn't about the video, but the search and those conducting it. I love it from a psychological and sociological perspective, too. Nothing has convinced me of the fallibility of human memory more than this.

[–]_Freakmenn_ 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Lol for real. The GIF was EXTREMELY well made, all of my arguments against the gif were from the prospective of the supposed accounts, fucked up metadata, etc. Extremely impressive!!

[–]RDA_SecOps 5 points6 points  (1 child)

End of Evangelion type shi

[–]Basic_Ad_8587 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Evangelion: You are (not) Lol Superman

[–]Spotty_Etc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If this doesn’t shut down the LSM search for good, nothing will lol. This was a fucking ride

[–]Intrepid_Caregiver53 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Wow, you might as well have just took a dump on the graves of those people that jumped.

[–]MonsterDCST 17 points18 points  (17 children)

You got too much free time on your hands man lol I was skeptical from the beginning though because the debris pattern and the way bodies were placed look identical to the Rosbrook footage. Rosbrook zooms in on the plaza at 9:03, whereas LSM is long said to be recorded at 8:58 when there were only two bodies on the ground. You got the time wrong, because otherwise one would expect things to have moved around. 

Next lead: the mystery first responder that u/BetweenTwoTowers mentioned who. was filming bodies in the plaza

https://www.reddit.com/r/lolsupermanofficial/comments/1rrv46r/comment/oa7mwp4/

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 17 points18 points  (14 children)

Not filming. They had a still frame camera that was lost. It was later found in the rubble.

They do not have their photos but they did end up in the investigation. It wasn't until much later they learned the camera survived.

[–]Notchsmind 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Im sorry for my earlier statements, does this mean lol Superman is faked from this douchebag DVD or could it still be real in with different people?

[–]RDA_SecOps 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am so lost right now trying to process everything, I want to know too.

[–]Interesting_Engine15 2 points3 points  (11 children)

On a scale of 1-10, how relieved are you that this was an elaborate fake

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 20 points21 points  (10 children)

Not at all, I find it very stressful when that much effort is out in to decieve people.

[–]Interesting_Engine15 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Fair enough. Let me ask you this then, how sure were you that this was fake, did you ever start to wonder if this new gif was real?

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 11 points12 points  (7 children)

I never believed the gif was real. There are genuinely 'off' things about like a lack of depth that 3d renders can never replicate. Also the odd zoom and other aspects.

That and just a genuine doubt over the origin and odd facts that didn't seem to line up.

I will engage completely honest that there wasn't exactly a single thing that I would say immediately said 'this is fake' other than my intuition and a load of small details.

[–]Interesting_Engine15 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah this was obviously very well put together compared to all the other recreations that constantly get spammed here. My only worry was, like many others, that it was too ”good” to be true. And it’s of course easy to say in hindsight but I had a moment where the gif did look ”off” somehow.

[–]RDA_SecOps 2 points3 points  (5 children)

May I ask, why was the debunking response cancelled?

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I will make a more expansive post later but, over 24 hours ago someone anonymously contacted our mod team with information claiming the gif was a hoax. They did not provide much information but it convinced one of the moderators to act on the information. However I only learned about this info 24 hours ago and wanted to investigate it further as well as gather more information about the search all together to verify if the information was legitimate.

I was going to make a more formal post about it later today but we had not anticipated the confession.

[–]RDA_SecOps 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thank you, makes much sense in retrospect.

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No problem. I did what I could to directly communicate with people involved in the search and share what information I did have.

[–]drcurtisreed 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You said in the other thread that you received 3d renders at some point that I would imagine were connected to the final gif, right?

[–]Zopotroco👀Lurker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even more after there’s screwed up people like this one creating an hoax about LSM. This is about to reach YouTube channels and have this thread reaching to millions of viewers just by “sending a message” like he’s The Joker or something. I think this is about to blow off even more

[–]dhopt29 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]dhopt29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was going to post that on the other thread that BTT was gate keeping but of course that post was deleted

[–]ReoPha 10 points11 points  (0 children)

holy chud

[–]MickyWasTaken 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Maybe now you can finally shower.

Ps. Nice try, I don’t have Facebook. Happy to dm you my full address if it makes you feel better 🤣

[–]ghostmachinery 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is such 4chan behavior.

I love Blender even more now. My god.

[–]Just_Garlic3536 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is a worse waste of a few years than genuinely searching for lsm

[–]Ellefique👀Lurker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

lmao

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[–]AnyRecommendation994 12 points13 points  (0 children)

lmaoooo good onee, u revive my love for lost media tho

[–]the_reddit_guy777 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The effort put into this is so insane I'm not even mad

[–]stewart13 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The only thing more unemployed than an LSM/9/11 archivist is you

[–]Sure-Chart-3903 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Weak and lame. You must be quite a loser in real life my lord to do all this.

All good I didn’t really believe it anyway honestly. It didn’t feel right from the get go but we wanted to believe.

[–]Spotty_Etc 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Buddy played the long game

[–]Interesting_Engine15 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is so insane lmao, biggest troll job I’ve ever seen!!! I wonder what all the people who were certain that’s the video they’ve seen are thinking

[–]Superb_School 4 points5 points  (0 children)

now do the same with the "play2.mp4" video

[–]No-Cry2852 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Enough internet for today.

[–]jevendany 10 points11 points  (0 children)

An elegant long-con deserving of a more anarchic internet age. Bravo.

[–]Afraid_Feed6365 13 points14 points  (0 children)

[–]EdisonB123 8 points9 points  (0 children)

H264 never lies. The proof was in the pudding the whole time

[–]TheAveragePlebbitor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well played sir. At least you ripped the band-aid off early and didn't leave us hanging for 2 more years lol.

[–]Darkcradius_ 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Did 911archive know about this trolling?

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For the past two years? No. But the majority of the mods and members of our research team including myself highly doubted the veracity of this claim

I had a short DM exchange with DVD ripper this last summer that I tried to probe their knowledge of 9/11 Media to determine if they knew what they were talking about and they showed they did not have much in depth information or were playing dumb.

Only a little over 24 hours ago (after the gif was posted) did an anonymous user using a throwaway account message the mod chat on our server claiming to have evidence of the hoax, they sent us a few short non descriptive emails and a 3d model image of the plaza claiminf it to be the source of the one used in the hoax. They said they would send us the 3d render, when pressed for more details they never responded.

I was not aware of this until late last night, I had reached out to and participated in the investigation for the past 24 hours trying to gather more information.

To be clear, I did not have enough information to determine the validity of the hoax claim so I did what I could to inform key people on the MTTJ community and share what observations and information I was certain about and tried to be a voice of reason. I did not want to share the little information that was given to us because I was unsure if people would listen or if it was even valid.

A lot of people have been attempting to get our community to react to things or take bait so they can call us out so we genuinely do not react to things the majority of the time. However I did what I could to help people address the situation.

[–]drcurtisreed 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They absolutely did, and admitted to it in the other thread. Somehow they found hiding this "unverified" information was better and instead helped this to happen. 

[–]Cheap-Pepper928 5 points6 points  (1 child)

We received a DM from a burner account saying that "something big was about to happen in regards to the gif" but we weren't given any further context.

[–]drcurtisreed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is straight from BetweenTwoTowers in the other debunking thread:

I believe that we had suspected DVDripper was creating a hoax over a year ago. I believe that someone anonymously contacted our mod team a day ago sharing us images supposedly from a 3d render claiming someone was making a hoax but they did not say who. So when the gif was posted that was our immediate reaction.

So, info over a year ago plus images of a 3d render, which would clearly match the gif and immediately expose this as a hoax? Why are you running defense for this approach? It didn't work.

[–]Anasphore_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Go to hell

[–]PunishedBrorThor -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

hahahahah

[–]Vriyk 9 points10 points  (1 child)

ggwp been in the community since 2023 and i can't even be that mad because this has about 100x more effort put in than other lost media hoaxes

[–]Interesting_Engine15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same, I don’t even remember how I first found out about this but I’ve been here since 2022 I think. This has to be one of the best trolls ever

[–]vicvegajuas_36 13 points14 points  (0 children)

...at least I respect that you didn't go the easy way with gen ai and actually handmade that.

[–]DashingSimp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This sub should just be deleted at this point, nothing to see here folks

[–]Fine-Dog-9874 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I felt like I was watching Scream 7 reading that text… what a boring and silly motivation lol

[–]PunishedBrorThor 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Lolsuperman is no more more

[–]Detatchamo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

NOOO NOOOOOOOOO

[–]ComfortableChip8242 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why do I get the feeling this is about to make a lot of people start bombarding cameramen, gore site owners, etc with messages out of spite.

[–]Fun-Chest2172 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ahora sube el correo donde te amenazan

[–]notsafeforwork96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit I’m so done😭

[–]JakobJewel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nasty move tho, but in a way understandable considering the motive behind it. Since I’ve always been interested in the topic of 9/11, that sub tempted me to binge-watch 9/11 videos over the past few days. I found many videos I had never seen before, including the Guy Rosbrook footage. Because of that, I had two or three really interesting evenings. Thanks for that.

[–]AggressiveVegan3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Well fuck

[–]AggressiveVegan3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gg I guess

[–]slitfaces 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What a loser bro 😭😭 Just complete waste of time

[–]Oootaldohaardcasee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

wait, so after the so called ''debunk'' promissed by the 9/11 archive was completelly canceled and they looked like shit to everyone, the ''dvdripper'' guy shows up of nowhere to say its all fake and ''lolsuperman'' doesnt exist? You know what is really strange in all of that? Why did those guys seems like to HATE this media? Like, if dont exist just post about it debunking, or saying something. ''oh, but a neo-nazi was mod'' fuck it? What is this about? This really has some weird vibes to me and this is strongly suspect. Like some people said, this whole situation with the other sub gives a ''me and my friends'' vibe.

[–]titanicman300 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The amout of effort put into this means I can't even be mad. GG

[–]retrocollect0r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]Front_Function_9575 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does this mean all of the lol superman stuff was fake if so I still believe a video like that exists since a guy on a interview talked about it back in the late 2000s I believe but well had with the fake video but playing the long game while claiming it’s for the greater good is obviously bs or just engagement bait and don’t fall for OPs replies guys they’re definitely him trying to get a last laugh I’ve always found 9/11 media interesting so I found this whole thing very interesting and if we never find something at least similar to lol superman at least through the search we found and dug up some other 9/11 media (apologies if grammar is terrible English isn’t my first language and I rushed typing this)

[–]Dramatic_Chipmunk306 1 point2 points  (0 children)

always the blender man 😔

[–]Honest-tinder-review 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Told ya

[–]Glum-Text-1140 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Los que decían que era exactamente el video que vieron hace 10 años: 🤡

[–]OverToaster9501 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who would have thought… Turns out the thing that looked like bullshit from the beginning was, in fact, bullshit. I just got harassed and downvoted for saying it earlier.

[–]Main_Scientist_4145 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn idk how to feel about this. Touche my man touché. So this has been a gigantic troll that’s been years in the making

[–]Fun-Chest2172 1 point2 points  (0 children)

La cereza al pastel que le faltaba al 911 archive 🐒

[–]GuyMartinsDog -1 points0 points  (2 children)

All the downvotes I got. I can happily say, told y’all. Video doesn’t exist. Go live your lives

[–]cur4ymuncha9000 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Was fully conviced it didnt exist until 2 days ago when i saw the supposed snippet on my fyp. I knew it could've been a fake but I was fooled nonetheless. The search was stagnant for so long, especially with those shitty recreations.

[–]PunishedBrorThor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🗣️🔥

[–]BlueMarioLM🏦Archivist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, guys. I guess that's it.

[–]pickuptruckdude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was a well put fake well done! Got so much detail right but my initial suspicion was the pattern matching Guy's footage and I felt it was traced over, Very well done good work.

[–]Important_Memory_698 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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[–]NationsOfToday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are the best chief!

[–]Interesting_Engine15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough

[–]UnknownRedd1ter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lmfao beautiful

[–]Fun-Chest2172 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Muy chistosos 👻 Y si comemos a bombardear con fotos gore el monumento al 911 hasta que lo cierren

[–]fat-emo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

?? what

[–]Fun-Chest2172 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Cristal

[–]Sea_Roomba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your service 🫡

[–]palemoonxx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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9/11 archive rn

[–]Aggravating_Vault -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The original video, gif, image, whatever, will never be found.

[–]Excellent_Cap_1848 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WE GOT HUMBLED!