Preservetube - A Youtube archival site.

If a video is never watched after being archived for a set amount of time it gets deleted is the easy solution. See if you can find a reasonable amount of time you can set an unwatched time limit. Even 1 watch a year might preserve the video.
 
Wait tho, Jan 22, 2025:

The archive has grown to 50TB, which is getting pretty expensive, though not crazy expensive. I’ve got enough funds to keep it running for a few centuries (at its current size)

Growing 15 TB in a year has changed this calculus that significantly?
 
Growing 15 TB in a year has changed this calculus that significantly?
15 TB in a year with probably accelerating amounts of archiving and nobody watching all the archived videos. If there's people that use preservetube as their google drives (as I assume they are), then I can see why he wouldn't want to pay for that
 
If a video is never watched after being archived for a set amount of time it gets deleted is the easy solution. See if you can find a reasonable amount of time you can set an unwatched time limit. Even 1 watch a year might preserve the video.
That defeats the whole purpose of preservation though. The way I see it, this isn't supposed to be a YouTube replacement where people are spending a bunch of time watching videos. It's an archival service where we can still access videos once YouTube arbitrarily takes them down because they're full of Indian faggots.

This is a necessary and important service, but unfortunately one that's going to be pretty thankless. I don't really see a solution besides shilling more and asking for donations.
 
It's an archival service where we can still access videos once YouTube arbitrarily takes them down because they're full of Indian faggots.
Its an archival service that anyone can self-host, and for that matter it makes little sense to put all burden on one person/server. I stand by my idea of putting videos publicly on notice so that other people can grab them off preservetube dot com and onto their personal instances. I say grab them off preservetube because some of them are probably already off of youtube and there's no other way to get them.
 
15 TB in a year with probably accelerating amounts of archiving and nobody watching all the archived videos. If there's people that use preservetube as their google drives (as I assume they are), then I can see why he wouldn't want to pay for that
Enough money for centuries of hosting at 50, but 65 kills it?

What's the benefit of people watching the videos? Doesn't that actually require serving it to them which costs money? Or are there ads that help with the hosting costs?

Like others have said, a big part of the point of an archive is that people aren't actively using it. It's a backup that you put in a safety deposit box and pull it out if you need it.
 
I had emailed you about setting something up but didn't follow up yet because it's a low priority idea at the moment. You probably need to reduce automated archiving and you should look into something that prunes enormous videos based on their value. There's a lot of YouTube on the Kiwi Farms I would want to keep a copy of though. If you can provide some sort of API to permit me to download videos, trigger archivals via webhooks, and make certain archives as high-importance to peg them from prunes, I'd be interested in all that.

Are you running servers yourself or is this all on an S3 Cloud? It would also help to be clear with goals.
 
Enough money for centuries of hosting at 50, but 65 kills it?
If you have 15+TB a year, in 10 years that'd be at 200TB. In 20 years at 350TB. And realistically it will grow much faster than 15TB/year as more and more people (read: bots) use the service and more and more videos are uploaded in 4K. Oh and also storage got quite a bit more expensive in the past year.

It's smarter to worry about it now than wait until 1 month before he needs to turn the lights off.
Like others have said, a big part of the point of an archive is that people aren't actively using it. It's a backup that you put in a safety deposit box and pull it out if you need it.
Sure, but also I don't see why you'd need to preserve automated/bot uploads, for instance. Most of those are likely to be junk, and if people want something preserved then they can definitely take the 2 seconds it takes to manually add it to preservetube.
 
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  • Ban Indian IP's
  • Prune videos with more than X million views (they'll be re-uploaded on YouTube and everywhere else anyway)
  • Limit free archives per day
  • Free low res copies
  • Donation to archive high res copies / more videos
 
I assume you already have a max quality (720p?).

You could probably save a decent amount of space if all your stuff was encoded in AV1. Either by taking the quality hit and re-encoding it yourself or by checking to see if youtube has done so from source and pulling their AV1 encode. Be warned though videos with the same ID can have sections muted or even be edited without changing the ID so you'd need to check for that first. Re-encoding is a lot more straight forward.

Getting one A310 or A380 and having it chug though 4 of your biggest H264 videos would probably buy you a lot of space.
 
I'm not usually watching the videos archived on PreserveTube if they haven't been deleted from YouTube (yet). Maybe I'd do so if there's something I want to watch with a VPN turned on and YouTube and frontends (e.g. Grayjay) are shitting the bed under that condition.

Here's an example of what I'd consider a good use of PreserveTube:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/florida-state-university-shooting-april-17th-2025.217454/post-21179428

This potato looking retard shot a bunch of people. Apparently, the ADL found and publicized his YouTube account which contained edgy and retarded stuff. I PreserveTube nearly the whole channel, many dozens of videos, lotsa gigabytes. Amazingly, the channel doesn't get terminated and these are still accessible AFAIK.

I was not wasting storage in the opinion of Mr. PreserveTube, because I emailed him about the too large videos and he said, "Could you send me the specific links to those 25 videos? The gaming livestreams of a shooter are not a waste of storage."

I really wouldn't expect most of these videos to get a single view a year, except for maybe the big one mentioning white genocide. This is niche content on a niche YouTube preservation site. Subject to a popularity metric, they'd get deleted.

I understand this is a thankless situation with tough choices to be made, being exacerbated by storage cost increases (cited in the imminent death of Myrient). It sure would be nice if we could store a hundred terabytes like it was nothing, although the amount of slop generated worldwide will probably grow in proportion with storage advancements.
 
If a video is never watched after being archived for a set amount of time it gets deleted is the easy solution. See if you can find a reasonable amount of time you can set an unwatched time limit. Even 1 watch a year might preserve the video.
That's a good idea. Usually I feel like if something people actually care about is gonna get deleted and mirrored, the dangerzone I think is the first 8 months to a year. It would at least be enough for popular videos or things that cause a lot of controversy, that someone wants to hide, ban or forget about. Occasionally I've pulled things out of old archive sites from Sonic Sega Gamer or someone that were like 2 or 3 years old, but it's unusual.
 
Is there any way Null can help with USIPS? Maybe he can help?

If it ever comes to the point where you need to shut it down PreserveTube, you should create a torrent that contains all the data in case people need it and upload the torrent on Seed boxes that can handle all of the data.
If a video is never watched after being archived for a set amount of time it gets deleted is the easy solution. See if you can find a reasonable amount of time you can set an unwatched time limit. Even 1 watch a year might preserve the video.
I feel like that's a bad idea mainly because people may needs those videos if the original uploader has decided to DFE.
 
I feel like that's a bad idea mainly because people may needs those videos if the original uploader has decided to DFE.
One simple mitigation would be to not delete videos that are deleted from YouTube. Delete videos that are still available (and accessible, not privated) on YouTube.

If children and jeets are uploading Angry Birds playthrough part 14/88 or whatever, and those are live on YouTube, they aren't going to be missed by anyone.
 
Genuinely I appreciate your hard work and effort you've put into Preservetube, it has been one of the best sites I have used for archival. See, the only way I can say getting more traffic to actually watch the videos archived to the site, you might have to become a video sharing platform visually, with an alluring front page design showing more recently saved videos front and center with a faster to access library through word tags. I know that sounds stupid since the site is already easy to use and has it's function as soon as you access it, but most of the population are legitimately brain-dead monkeys that click mindlessly at easy shapes and bright colors before reading anything. I think building a more visual identity might help. That could have people donating to upkeep the site too.
 
Genuinely I appreciate your hard work and effort you've put into Preservetube, it has been one of the best sites I have used for archival. See, the only way I can say getting more traffic to actually watch the videos archived to the site, you might have to become a video sharing platform visually, with an alluring front page design showing more recently saved videos front and center with a faster to access library through word tags. I know that sounds stupid since the site is already easy to use and has it's function as soon as you access it, but most of the population are legitimately brain-dead monkeys that click mindlessly at easy shapes and bright colors before reading anything. I think building a more visual identity might help. That could have people donating to upkeep the site too.
I don't think he wants people to start watching the archived videos, he just wants people to only archive videos people will watch.
 
Maybe a bad idea for an archive, but what if videos that aren't watched within a year get deleted? Like if a year goes by and nobody clicks on it, fft, out it goes. You could even put a warning on it or something so people have time to save it if they want.
 
Could do like a token based system where an IP address is only allowed to save one video a week and could pay for more credits. Or maybe an option to do an audio archive only? like saving only the videos audio with a transcript/subtitle file and providing like 5 screenshots from the video from different time intervals so worse case there's still enough context clues about what's being said if needed
 
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