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I'm wondering what would happen if this Iran stuff leads to an Article 5 response if Turkey is hit.

I don’t think Article 5 will be invoked, but take all this with a whole shaker of salt because military analysis isn’t something I’ve spent a lot of time studying:

  • Was article 5 invoked when Russian drones deliberately, provocatively entered Polish airspace?

    Nope.

    Why not?

    It wasn’t worth the cost or risk…yet.

    A great deal of European resources are invested in Ukrainian defense at the moment while they scramble to produce more and build up their own defenses against future Russian assholery.

    Why get involved in Iran when they can’t absorb the cost and the US/Israel will do it for them?

    I think it’d require significant damage for anybody to invoke Article 5.

    But let’s imagine circumstances where Article 5 is invoked.
  • Thought Experiment:

    Imagine a ballistic missile reaches Turkey and does serious damage, killing 30 civilian citizens of Turkey and three members of it’s legislature. Imagine that Turkey, in response, invokes Article 5.

    Could any other military, right now, join in against Iran, over the skies of Iran…and actually be helpful?

    Even if they could be helpful and not get in the way of the US and Israel, why would they take on that cost…when they don’t have to?

    I think NATO nations, whether or not Article 5 is invoked, will focus on their own defense against regime ballistic weapons and let the US and Israel do the most expensive, difficult, dangerous work.

    European leaders may sometimes be wrong and/or feckless, but they’re not stupid.

    During the 12-day war, Germany’s Chancellor Merz said:

    “This is the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us. We are also victims of this regime. This mullah regime has brought death and destruction to the world,”

    No European leaders want to see the regime survive this. Almost no Arab leaders, either. It’s in everyone’s best interest for the regime to fall, and nobody has any reason to take on the costs or risks which the US and Israel have embraced.

    The US and Israel are well-coordinated, and any other power attempting to help, I think, would get in the way more than they’d contribute. The US and Israel prepared for coordination.

I don’t trust the motives of Trump, the competence of Hegseth, or the judgement of either.

I don’t know if it will end up having been a good thing that the US and Israel chose this time to at least cripple the regime’s ability to wage any kind of war or sell oil to China.

But I think none of that changes the current calculus for others contemplating action and I think most world leaders are glad it’s happening, regardless of what they say to their domestic audiences.

I don’t think there’s an enormous risk of a world war. I don’t think world leaders are stupid enough to over-react to the regime’s provocative attacks.

I think US involvement is almost entirely about China and it’s weird that’s not getting more media attention.

I think Israel’s desire is to end the need for constant defense against the regime and its proxies.

For once, there’s a US administration which is allowing them to finish yet another war they didn’t want and didn’t start - and I don’t blame them for taking advantage of that opportunity.

Given this permission by the US to actually defeat their attackers and finish a war, I think Israel can (and likely will) at least seriously degrade the threat of the regime and its proxies for some significant time.

I think a world where the regime and Hezbollah are defanged would be a better world for everyone but the regime and Hezbollah.

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