[–] ▶ №2986889[Quote]>>2986900>>2991230
can you believe that the bugman known as Baroobkek took a screenshot of the first image and it was unreadable? he took a screenshot of a 4k image.
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>>2986889Idk anything about namefags mate, i just want more of these images, i posted here because turkey is banned on /soy/
▶ №2987029[Quote]>>2987066
>>2986907Privacy isn't guaranteed when you're not using the internet as well Geg
If the current commercial satellites can see in sub-meter scales, do you not think the goverment has better ones that are 5-15 years ahead? And why wouldn't they use that to track (you)? They're already imaging all of the globe, just upload those as 3D snapshots of the globe, then send it all to Palantir so the ai in there can categorize what everyone is doing
▶ №2987049[Quote]>>2987063
>>2986907Also
>Your devices are listening to youThis might be the most surface level shit ever GEG
▶ №2987056[Quote]>>2987061>>2987066
I just hope local ai tech gets good enough that we can run a half decent model on practically no RAM
▶ №2987061[Quote]>>2987066>>2987068
>>2987056Since you need pre-2008 tech for no
(((Intel ME))), but maybe you can scavenge trash bins to find old ThinkPads and connect them together to get like 128Mb RAM? Idk I'm just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks geg
▶ №2987063[Quote]>>2987335>>2987350
>>2987049trvke…
my thing is i do believe they are listening. but there's just so much shit going on that its better to blend in then to completely drop out
▶ №2987068[Quote]>>2987085
>>2987061there are other ways to avoid or get rig of intel me afaik
▶ №2987072[Quote]>>2987084>>2987101
shit mayne, i bought a lenovo laptop and im gonna run linux on it, am i fucked
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>>2987072i used to be a genuine schizo who thought the government installed invisible unremovable keyboard trackers and screen recorders on my computer until i wiped it clean and installed linux. which could mean nothing.
▶ №2987085[Quote]>>2987117
>>2987068Not completely, Intel made sure to put practically every vital thing (like clock cycles) through it so iirc it still turns on briefly during startup, and it probably sends your exact location to Mossad in that time frame
▶ №2987101[Quote]>>2987112
>>2987072You're fucked no matter what, since even if you had perfect digital OPSEC, they would still track you with NSA satellites and security cameras, only way to have privacy is to live in the forest Ted style, but even then they can spend on you with thermal satellites, so all you need is enough OPSEC to dodge scams and that's enough
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>>2987096Same, i called it "schizo" because that's the style, not because it's fake or something
▶ №2987112[Quote]>>2987116
>>2987101im gonna go get lost in siberia, build a hut and hide from the glowies
▶ №2987116[Quote]>>2987119>>2987138
>>2987112I wish, your thermal footprint will bright glower than 4cuck after the Mossad bought it
▶ №2987117[Quote]>>2987129
>>2987085well there are non-intel and non-amd products but afaik snowden just disabled intel me manually and if it's good enough for snowden it's prob good enough for you
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>>2987116Holy fucking ESL how did i manage to write that bad?
▶ №2987129[Quote]>>2987135
>>2987117Call me schizo but Snowden was probably a false flag. The feds know they can get away with anything, they got away with the leaks, they got away with Epstein, they can rape your children in front of you and they would still rule the country, they leaked some of the things they did, then Snowden gave some "OPSEC tips" about already compramized systems (like TAILS and shit which has blobs), so the feds could spy on the schizo's easier
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>>2986872 (OP)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik33 people under the age of 18
A picture of the after math of a bomb taken 33 minutes after the explosion
Anders was a freemason which has a history with 33
33 years was how old jesus was when he died
▶ №2987135[Quote]>>2987148
>>2987129>which has blobswhats a blob doe
▶ №2987138[Quote]>>2987160
>>2987116even if so, im sure my status wont get updated for a long time unless they update it to dead or disappeared, only way of them of knowing is if they cooperate with russia in scanning all of the forests
▶ №2987141[Quote]>>2987260
>>2987108how is happiness destroyed by energy in this context
>happiness is a zero sum gamefalsenuke
▶ №2987148[Quote]>>2987153
>>2987135Small piece of close source software/microcode, usually installed so "
essential" things like modern wifi work, TAILS has this, making it a practically compromised honeypot
▶ №2987153[Quote]>>2987164
>>2987148>TAILS has this, making it a practically compromised honeypotis qubes compromised?
▶ №2987154[Quote]>>2987167
In all honesty if you dont want to be tracked you shouldnt even use the internet to begin with
▶ №2987160[Quote]>>2987196
>>2987138Nigga they already are scanning the entire globe, are you ok?
Go to glowgle maps right now and zoom into anywhere except the ocean, you can see individual people, that's how high quality it is. And since the feds are always 5-15 years ahead (we know these from the leaks), why wouldn't they just scan the globe 24/7 and download a daily snapshot, then give it to Palantir (data Organisation company) so they can see where everyone is at all times?
I might be starting to sound ESP but that's because it's late and in typing this on my phone
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>>2987153I think so but check the 2 original pictures for more info
▶ №2987174[Quote]
>>2987064>The kikes make you fight each other for moneyWhat's next? The tooth fairy is fake?
▶ №2987185[Quote]>>2987193
THEY CAN MAP YOUR EXACT POSITION WITH WIFI
by utilizing the radio-waves reflections
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>>2987108Ev&oe you can gain satisfaction from helping other and raising the total amount of happiness in the world
▶ №2987196[Quote]>>2987212
>>2987160you think they'd care about a nobaldi in the middle of nowhere?
i dont think they even care about the uncontacted tribes in the amazon or papua new guinea
▶ №2987212[Quote]>>2987214>>2987246
>>2987196Great point
They don't "care", but they want data. The glowiest absolutely fucking LOVE data, because they know in the future, they will be able to organize it to gain info on EVERYBODY. Look at it this way:
FACT: the glowies are always 5-25 years ahead of consumer technology (Snowden leaks)
FACT: The glowies are willing to do anything for more data or power (radioactive oatmeal, weeping angel, large area coverage etc.)
FACT: ai is really good at organizing info
Why wouldn't they use their years ahead ai to organize all info on everybody? It's free data, after all.
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>>2987212My autocorrect is a retard, it keeps changing "glowies" to "glowiest" and other ESL mistakes, please try to ignore
▶ №2987217[Quote]>>2987223
graphene isn't backdoored by the feds doe
▶ №2987223[Quote]>>2987236
>>2987217Ev&oe it is (read 2nd pic)
▶ №2987234[Quote]>>2987240
Also i wanted to say thank you to everyone who posted images or participated in discussion
▶ №2987236[Quote]>>2987256
>>2987223right but how do you explain multiple instances of feds not being able to access info on graphene phones
▶ №2987246[Quote]>>2987252
>>2987212they may have advanced technology, but at the same time, they still have trouble finding people who have disappeared, even for decades, especially in the US; either they aren't that good or that its not their main priority
▶ №2987252[Quote]>>2987266>>2987270
>>2987246I feel like we grossly overstate how advanced the government really is
▶ №2987256[Quote]>>2987279
>>2987236They don't want to give their backdoors away. If they accessed those, then those backdoors would be patched, and they would have 1 less trick up their sleeve. Currently they are using those backdoors to gain info, then connect the dots using legal means to imprison people as to not make the public aware of those backdoors
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>>2987240Thanks, ill look into it
▶ №2987260[Quote]>>2987274>>2987439>>2991281
>>2987141okay think of a hypothetical colony of giant sentient spiders
these spiders behave like jeets and niggers because they wanna colonize new territories and consume resources so their offspring can succeed further
they want to lay their disgusting larvae and sticky webs everywhere so the world becomes like a niggerhell
the spiders themselves think they are le good doe because they work for benefit of them and their offspring
they may realise that genociding their kind would be better for the whole but it would painful for them, thus creating a zero sum between happiness of their extermination and negative experience of said extermination
even the most disgusting and retarded nigger wants to live and that is horrifying
because the nature is fucking whore that can't distinguish between morally good and bad so it makes us fight in unconventional ways for the place of moral high ground
if these disgusting nigger spiders came first and we after them they would think we are the vermin (evendoe we are good)
this is called an Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
>hecking redditpseudointellectual redditors and buddhists adopt this mentality and think they can escape it by sabotaging their own instinctual urgers in favor of the happiness of foreign nigger spiders. But they are wrong, because their self destruction would still create an amount of pain they will experience for ironically doing the right thing from the perspective of supposed cosmic moral compass or god (evendoe even if such a higher system exists it would be likely a selfish little fuck too). There is literally nothing in this world that you can do to avoid pain, because it's a nature higher than any physic law, applied to any possible world system - life is an infinite battle for the good things. This is literally what life is so WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS don't be jesus christ, don't sacrifice yourself, and live in favor of yourself and your group (which is an extension of yourself) like a normal organism
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>>2987252it's probably advanced, but only for specific parts, like criticizing israel can get you in trouble;
▶ №2987270[Quote]>>2987307
>>2987252They want you to think that nigga, Elon goes and posts some retarded shot with grok, trump ai generates some bullshit and makes himself look like a sperg, it's all to make the ones in power look weak
▶ №2987274[Quote]>>2987277>>2987301
>>2987260If i helped a grandma crops the street because it mad eme happy to help my community, is that not a net positive?
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>>2987274>Crops the streetI'm gonna fucking murder my ESL autocorrect bro
▶ №2987279[Quote]>>2987294
>>2987256so when are they going to use all those supposed backdoors?
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(((The ones in power))) thrive on misinformation, they want you to think that revolting is impossible, or it's trivially easy, they want you to think they're all powerful, or a bunch of retards, they hate when they don't know something, or when you know something
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>>2987279Extreme scale threats to the ones in power, and they're already using them, just not making it known
Like say they get stuck on a lead, they use the backdoor, get more info, then they make it look like they didn't use it at all and got all info through legal means
▶ №2987301[Quote]>>2987322>>2987323
>>2987274that grandma would crash an ant on her way through the road so it would bring a minuscule amount of pain first of all
secondly in her youth granny probably made some people mad or angry because while her soul and underlying brain structure was developing it demanded psychological resources sustained by net negative which she gained by being a child rebel in her teenagehood
thridly(?) somebody else might've helped her and you selfishly took this opportunity and subtracted potential happiness
▶ №2987303[Quote]>>2987342
The only way i can think of to have OPSEC, is to start an underground civilisation with 1000 people to minimize the risks of inbreeding, underground so the glowies can't track you using thermal satellites.
Of course this is ridiculous, but it just shows the extend of their reach
▶ №2987307[Quote]>>2987338
>>2987270i actually think the government wants you to think you are smarter than it
everyday i see trannies on xitter going
>oooh i dont trust the government but everyone else does!like everyone else is retarded, ev&doe everyone else also doesnt trust the government
its strange
▶ №2987322[Quote]>>2987326
>>2987301oh! and also you've made a mild inconvenience to the cars that wanted to ride through that road but instead they had to wait while that old ass woman crossed the road
<i am not saying that helping old people is le bad but instead that every action of will is selfish and consuming to some extent
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>>29873011: the first scenario is purely hypothetical, why would it happen? It relies upon itself (why would the ant die? My theory demands it. Why is the theory true? The ant dies.)
2: yeah but that wouldn't stop me from making a net positive by helping her while being happy
3: it's a potential loss, not a realized one, also there are practically infinite opportunities to help people, this isn't a once in a lifetime opportunity. Even offering a neighbor food qualifies.
▶ №2987326[Quote]>>2987380
>>2987322What if she crossed when the light was red though?
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>>2987063What if you just disappear
▶ №2987338[Quote]>>2987351>>2987551
>>2987307Yeah you're right, the goverment wants to isolate and misinform the citizens to stop them from rebelling.
They give infinite entertainment, misinformation, they stop you from thinking, they EPI children to make them porn addicts
Honestly, brave new world is a good read about this, I'm about halfway through the book and i recommend it to everyone.
▶ №2987342[Quote]>>2987354
>>2987303What about on antarctica
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>>2987063That's logical as well, the NSA has specifically tracked people who searched "Tor", so it might make sense to blend in completely, but your actions triggered by your thoughts might still give you away
▶ №2987354[Quote]>>2987357
>>2987342Satellites nigga, thermal satellites
▶ №2987357[Quote]>>2987361
>>2987354No but your clothes are cold
▶ №2987361[Quote]>>2987373
>>2987357But your body is still hot, you radiate away heat
▶ №2987362[Quote]>>2987385
>>>2987063
>That's logical as well, the NSA has specifically tracked people who searched "Tor"
snopes?
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>>2987361Then wear some kind of suit with ventilation that is sealed and regulates the temperature of the exiting air. Like a space suit.
▶ №2987380[Quote]>>2987395
>>2987326then she wouldn't need help i suppose
if you helped her while the lights were red then she brought you an unnecessary inconvenience by making you drop what you doing and help her
which negates satisfaction she consumes from your act
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>>2987362Snowden leaks, gonna be honest i heard that from an ai after feeding it the leaks and it told me that, but in pretty sure it's correct, search for it yourself of you want to make sure though
But i know for a fact that they had a tool to completely bypass Tor, and they had the ability to see every google search made since 2007, and they can switch real websites for fake ones that look identical but download fake software with data leakers
▶ №2987392[Quote]>>2987408
What if you went underground in antarctica. It would be like le hyperborea o algo
▶ №2987395[Quote]>>2987433
>>2987380Let's say this scenario happened:
A lady wants to cross an empty road, but the road is rugged and hard to walk on. You see her and ask of she wants any help, she says yes, and you help her. Isn't that a net positive transaction?
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>>2987395And honestly, the scenario might just be unfalsifiable due to the potential of how many unknowable variables there are
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>>2987260i don't need metaphores, i'm not retarded. could you repeat this?
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I understand where the dude is coming from, i have a similar ideology (but mine doesn't prevent me from helping my community GEG)
▶ №2987484[Quote]>>2987554
Any more schizoid gems, 'teens?
I like going down the rabbit holes of these types of posts, i already downloaded everything in this thread, gonna look into them even more in the coming days
▶ №2987551[Quote]>>2990676
>>2987338Tiktok made this so easy man
▶ №2987598[Quote]>>2987626>>2990690
>>2987554This is stupid because the cross Christ was crucified on wasn't rectangle shaped
▶ №2987626[Quote]>>2990690
>>2987598Well, the "Christianity" the kikes synthesized for the masses certainly does have Saturnian currents, that's the main idea there.
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>>2987551Yeah it's practically a drug
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>>2987626>>2987598>>2987554I keep seeing this Saturn shit, what does it mean?
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>>2990703Oh i already read that Geg, thanks anyways
▶ №2990751[Quote]>>2990753
there was somephono that posted all archives and sites that discredited the caust i wish he could send more here
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>>2990751Damn that's valuable info, do you have any 'chived links to the thread or something?
▶ №2990756[Quote]>>2990761
>>2990723NIGGA POST MORE VIDEOS OF THIS SPERG
▶ №2990761[Quote]
>>2990756That PURE BLOODED VRYVN BEVST might be the geggiest plebbitor i ever saw
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>>2990730Multiculturalism and mixing le good but only when we wypipo mix with each other
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>>2990730Racial politics are as impactful to real life as theoratical maths
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>>2990772I hate these fast paced "edit" style videos because you have to pause every 0.2 seconds to actually see what's happening, just explain it like a normal person nigga, even the schizo babble OP posted is more understandable than this shit, it's annoying
▶ №2990846[Quote]>>2990855>>2991153
>>2990838what do you want, truly? you hear speaks, the first 3 metro games, speak for you…
▶ №2990855[Quote]>>2990863>>2991153
>>2990846what does it mean to be pushed to your limit?
what does it mean to not give up as if you are undead?
what is life except the willpower to live?
▶ №2990863[Quote]>>2990867>>2991153
>>2990855and what man has answers, except a man ask questions
and what man has a mind, to ask many questions?
▶ №2990867[Quote]>>2991153
>>2990863ask me, i speak much
▶ №2991281[Quote]>>2991308
>>2987260OMGSISA I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THE WOMAN IN THAT GIF
▶ №2991304[Quote]>>2991326
>>2991254I know that guy, it's the "theres a nigger on the moon" and "i ain't blogged to Stan no nigger fooling" guy, he's geggy as fuck
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>>2991304>Blogged'Bliged*
▶ №2991332[Quote]>>2991424
>>2991254Please post more of these, they're interesting and in gonna look into all of them.
▶ №2991356[Quote]>>2991359
>>2991271It's extremely easy to learn about what the NSA and other glowniggers are doing, i started noticing all of this after seeing a meme video of dancing beans with glownigger operations, and i asked the ai about them and other things the glowies did, and it told me everything, it was crazy…
And it wasn't even jail broken, i was using Claude opus 4.6 online
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>>2987108>your every happy moment creates a pain in the other creatureNot sentient ones
>your love and vvill to exist and reproduce is inherently egomaniacalHow
>the best outcome for everyone in this situation is to equate levels of happiness between various individuals, mathematically (fritata!)Objectively retarded, try to make a measurement system for happiness. Basic philosophy 101 FAILED! Revoked upvote.
>sacrifise your self for the gooder of the whole>YOU ARE FUCKING SELFISH BECAUSE YOU WONT GIVE ME MONEY, YOU WONT PAY FOR MY KIDS, YOU ARE FUCKING GREEDY BECAUSE YOU WONT GIVE AWAY YOUR LANDJew
<my suggestion is that we continue being selfish little fucks and exist continuing the karma cycle or some shitAryan opinion.
▶ №2991389[Quote]>>2991441
>>2987108Our existence will not mean a selfish totality of being as we had no prior reality in which we could fathom to drive ourselves to be existant, we became what we are now suddenly so thus by our selfish value, it is shaped by the individual means of the mind and not by our existence just like what the turk had replied. I believe it's the act of pushing new attendees for this world's ups and downs that is selfish doever with that, a justification is that by their existence they will be in the touch of reality and thus comprehension of pleasure, it is only our duty that we organize a world that has the characters for them to cherish that
▶ №2991398[Quote]>>2991403>>2991405>>2991449
Holy shit, I'm just seeing this now, the glowniggers used a weapon called "Voice of God" back in 2004 to make people hear things, and this is declassified, it's true.
They could make people hear voices, while bystanders didn't hear anything, and this worked from hundreds of meters away
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>>2991398If their tech allowed them to do that back in 2004, just think about what they can do now, 20+ years later, holy shit…
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Apparently, it's range was 500-800 meters
I'm not even kidding or schizoing out, google it it's literally declassified
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>>29914242nd one is geggy as fuck, made me laugh
3rd & 4th are useful as well
Reading the 1st one now
▶ №2991437[Quote]>>2991442
>>2991424are SEAmonkeys even allowed the shotgun shells doee
▶ №2991441[Quote]>>2991445>>2991454
>>2991389Sorry for this ^ESL Niggerbabble
I'll be your Marge if you want to know something here in better detail
▶ №2991442[Quote]>>2991444
>>2991437I'll make the black powder myself
▶ №2991444[Quote]>>2991452
i saw some latinx brap make one of those slamfire shotguns, and it exploded and shot steel into his neck and he died
>>2991442[shit fed care about gif]
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>>2991398Honestly now we know how those at the early heads of modernisation felt when they are met with mechanical serfs far more efficient and lasting than them
▶ №2991452[Quote]>>2991456
>>2991444I'll try to tie a grip onto the wooden platform to then pull back and see what happens. I don't even plan to create these but I have ideas on how to test it if I were to create it
▶ №2991454[Quote]>>2991466
>>2991441Do you have a higher quality version of the 4th pic? The newspapers are barely readable
▶ №2991456[Quote]>>2991461>>2991481
>>2991452Same, but the risk is it working fine for the first few dozen times, then exploding
▶ №2991461[Quote]>>2991467
>>2991456nophono is making slamfire shotguns in 2026
fgc-9 is wonned
▶ №2991463[Quote]>>2991477
Btw where do y'all get this info? I tried looking at 4cuck but it was full of Tranime and 'p
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>>2991461Idk I'm not a gun guy, but o should start looking into that as well
▶ №2991477[Quote]>>2991483
>>2991463I actually found these GEMS here on the sharty, just be at guard here for gems longer as you wouldn't know when they would SHINE. Also some chuddy sites where I got to know due to the matters from that site managing to get posted here
▶ №2991481[Quote]>>2991500
>>2991456I'd say push 10 rounds for the tester and to see what happens, then patch up the wobbling parts
▶ №2991483[Quote]>>2991506
>>2991477I don't use the sharty anymore since it's gone to shit but thanks for letting me know anyways
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>>2991466Thanks for these as well
▶ №2991500[Quote]>>2991507>>2991509
>>2991481when it comes to guns it either blows up or doesnt
blackpowder shotgun shells arent that high pressure doe
the halle synagouge shooter used such a shotgun, and he killed people (even doe it was a failraid)
▶ №2991506[Quote]>>2991523
>>2991483Honestly it is. It's a bitter sweet realization that the place where I know for damn sure will be my familiar to home in the Internet going to raisin yet having just as much fun comparable to when I first become a poster even now. There are still some routine gem hours passing by such as Euromutt hours here and /Soy/, doever the latter have equal span with Mvtt hours, but I still do have the vision that the culture is dying due to anti sharty kulchur being prominent here noawadays
▶ №2991507[Quote]>>2991523
>>2991500I won't commit homicide nigga I just want to have one for fun
▶ №2991509[Quote]>>2991516>>2991523>>2991524
>>2991500I truly don't understand the ideology of those who kill because their main goal is to kill
Like i understand Ted, he killed so he could publish his book (ev&oe his book hasogical inconsistencies as well) but why would you kill with the end goal of killing?
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>>2991509>HasogicalHas logical*
▶ №2991522[Quote]>>2991526>>2991539
I dont know anything about the elders of Zion or the whole "Saturn" thing, can someone explain those?
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>>2991506its so asad
>>2991507me as well, but i am just using it as example
>>2991509misanthropy, nihlism, stuff like that
if someone is dead they cant do anything anymore, so sometimes it is helpful
▶ №2991524[Quote]>>2991543
>>2991509Well a lot does so due to the aftermath of their crimes being widespread and thus their accompanying ideology, along with its products, spread in pair with the media coverage
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>>2991522asoori would but he ack'd
▶ №2991539[Quote]>>2991544>>2991556
>>2991522>Elders of Zionkikes meet up to devise a coded strategy of imprisoning the Goyim socially during the late (i don't know I is forgetted) 19th century
>SaturnEvery Jew (sometimes somephono revised it to be every Abrahamic s) worship Roman Paham god Saturn in proxy
▶ №2991543[Quote]>>2991552>>2991553
>>2991524I feel like even making posts on 4cuck or even here would reach a greater audience compared to killing like 5 people + yourself then hoping O9A reads (let alone taking it seriously) your manifesto
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>>2991543i think its retarded to shoot nophonos for the sake of publicity, troon-tier attentionwhoring
▶ №2991553[Quote]>>2991567
>>2991543I agree deeply with you doever these people, I assume, thinks that if they had walked along your path they won't have as much normgroid exposure
▶ №2991559[Quote]>>2991568
>>2991498>The request has been blockedIt's not even "that page doesn't exist", it explicitly says I'm blocked from viewing it, wth?
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>>2991553Yeah you're right
▶ №2991568[Quote]>>2991580
>>2991559Yet they call us right wingers schizophrenics GEGGEGEGEGEGGEGEGEGEGEGGE we saw everything
▶ №2991608[Quote]>>2991609
>>2991585>MPA for 3 minutes on a 20k user siteJSID…
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>>2991608my last mpa was 25 minutes
