I’ve been noticing that most of you are risking yourself by exposing you left the religion to your parents openly. Unless your parents are freethinkers or atheists, DO NOT DISCLOSE YOURSELF THAT YOU APOSTASY!!!!! IN ANOTHER WORD, JANGAN JADI BODOH!
Not only you’re risking losing trust but you’re risking us too in here since some parents will take legal actions by reporting us to the police or jabatan agama Islam. I understand that you guys are in your rebellious phase where you yearn for freedom but doing this makes the situation worse for you and the community. Stay low until you’re no longer financially dependent on your parents or no longer live with them. We all had to live and be financially dependent to our parents too when we’re younger. We all had to go for Agama classes too especially we all had to fake pray at one point.
WE’RE ADVISING YOU BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT YOU AND WE SAW THE CONSEQUENCES OF OTHERS AND THIS GOES TO THOSE WHO ARE QUEER TOO, STOP EXPOSING YOURSELF TO EXTREMIST.
Freedom will come along soon, just hang in there and work yourself to being out of their house and being financially secure.
And for the last part….
DO NOT FUCKING SHARE YOUR IDEOLOGIES IN SCHOOL KNOWING SOMEONE WILL SNITCH ON YOU. YOUR NON MUSLIM FRIENDS CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT YOU. ITS YOU AGAINST THEM AT THE END. SO KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND RANT IN THE FORUM HERE!!!!
Is saddening how most of my classmates wants freedom in relationship, and the only way to break through it, is marriage.
I don't see marriage as a way of freedom, i see marriage as an act of love or loyalty for a person to a certain someone.
I had never seen the problem with boyfriend or either girlfriend, society makes it seems as an a disgrace act, what's wrong with wanting to know someone first, it doesn't take months, but years, such as living with the partner.
The same way how I see lesbians and gay relationship, I never seen the problem in wanting a relationship with the same gender, even animals do it, so it proofs these things are biologically nature.
They where restricted of freedom with the opposite gender, you can't be friends, you can't be acquaintance, and yet let alone, date.
for context my brother already knows that im an atheist and hes okay with it but im getting tired of pretending im still a muslim in front of my mom. like when she talks about any islam related things it just feels so awkward and i hate it. futhermore i dont want to fast anymore because i had problem with food and stuff iykwim and i dont want to be reminded of it anymore.
my main concern is that im a minor and i cant even get a job yet if i were to be kicked out. shes not extreme about religion but she have always expected her children to be religious. i was forced about religion a lot when i was younger but i kinda fought back and live how i want to live so she knows that im not interested in religion but she doesn’t know im an atheist. i just want to make it official that i am an atheist in her eyes so i could stop faking things.
idk if this is tmi but my dad is extremely religious and i tried to give hints that im an atheist but we got into a fight and i stopped talking to him since then. so im scared he might do something stupid if my mom tell him about this, because last time i was sent to exorcism for struggling with my mental health. i can never understand religious people.
oh and most of my friends knows im an atheist and i love them sm
what do you guys think though
VIP sama ahli politik memang suka tunggang agama dan rakyat jadi lebih bodoh sebab diorang boleh senang lingkupkan negara untuk kuasa sama duit.
Ahli politik cuma tipu janji akan mermatabatkan agama but at the same time rasuah, r-g-l, pedo, curi, bohong, kahwin empat sama simpan mistress bagai tapi pentaksub agama tak kisah pulak.
Gay people and moderates who are harder to conform pentaksub sibuk jaga tepi kain kita buat apa we don't even bother them why bother us?
Banyak ustaz gila seks liwat budak sekolah rendah, fukcing other people's wives pentaksub agama mati-mati kata fitnah pulak? Tak nampak ke patterns that keep repeating? Critical thinking, hello??!?
Tunku Abdul Rahman wasn't actually a saint or anything but he fought for independence in order to make Malaya a secular, modern, affluent, liberal country with top tier living standards. Honestly, we wouldn't get the independence if an extremist and bigoted Malaya were pitched instead.
Tunku would be devastated seeing what has become of his beloved country.
Can't pentaksub agama see that secularism is the only way to go in order for the country to prosper?
You can continue to be pentaksub but stop trying to control and have power over anything else.
Goodday everyone.
iran is proof malaysian support palestine because of their religion not humanity like look at how malaysian don't support "free iran" just because they're a muslim country lol. All of them completely ignoring the fact that Ali Khamenei was a dictator who forces every women to wear hijab regardless your religion. The craziest part is many of them supported Ali Khamenei for killing those women because they 'deserved' it.
Tujuan purdah tudung jubah adalah untuk tidak menarik perhatian atau untuk tidak menaikkan syahwat lelaki but instead teaching virtues/Iman and self control to evangelical/Muslim men they opress women instead.
Why can't Evangelical/Muslim men take accountability for once? Power hungry, egomaniacal sex pests. Blame women and then satan. Also somehow it's the gays and liberal people's fault never their own. Why is it so hard to self reflect and see their own scumminess is the one at fault?
Back to purdah/niqab. Pakai purdah yang memang tak wajib sebab I am my husband's property don't you know??!?
Adakah untuk tidak menarik perhatian. Tapi purdah lah yang menarik perhatian semua orang lepas tu pakai celak, maskara and contact lens Kaler purple. What the fukc is going on?
Hey, How do you guys sneak food and drinks while fake fasting? like my sister that I'm not getting along with, is always at home and Idk what food that doesnt make much sounds and it's easy to eat. any tips on how to survive ramadan 🙏
“Kita kena pertahankan agama,” kata Azman (bukan nama sebenar).
Dia cakap sambil hisap rokok Dblend waktu azan Asar.
Bulan puasa.
To teenagers who JUST discovered themselves being Ex-Muslim or JUST discovered this community. Stop trying to tell everyone that we should start a rebellion. our community is spread thin as it is. And why tf do you wanna drag non-Muslims into this? This is our fight. Don't drag others into this. And no, just because some people accepted us doesn't mean they're willing to fight for us.
I get that you just want to be yourself and show the world what you believe in. But for fucks sakes chill. Do you literally want to start a civil war just so you can be Ex-Muslim on paper? You can't even have a heart to stab someone.
I want to leave Islam. Trust me I do. But what makes us better than them if we behave exactly they way they're told to behave in the Quran? Don't build our foundation in bloodshed or anger. Our base itself isn't that strong yet. And the amount of members we have pales in comparison to the Hardcore Muslim believers. And we NEED legal representation if we want to exist legally. But which government body would be daring enough to support us? The royals won't even entertain us. There no political party in Malaysia out there that's willing to take us into consideration.
Look, I and many people have worked hard to spread trust being an Ex-Muslim isn't as bad as many claim it to be. And many of us already have a community of friends and colleagues who acknowledge that.
What you guys are asking is LITERALLY ignore everything we have build for ourselves and throw ourselves in jail, just we could go fight for your rights to drink some ice cold beer out in the open? Sleep in cheap motels and get arrested?
Many of you guys ARE STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL. Yes learning about Islam can suck. And you probably already made your decision. But, who tf is even caring enough to take you in? You're still a child. No SPM, no job, no company even wants to hire you as of now. Why risk it? Just so you don't get scold by uour parents? Your parents are still gonna scold you regardless if being Ex-Muslim is legal or not. They're still obligated to push Islamic agenda to you as long as you live under their roof. This isn't America.
Yes it sucks you can't be an Ex-Muslim out in the open. But then again, I don't want people here to throw their lives away, and for a rebel group that's is destined to fail. Maybe in 20-40 years, MAYBE we'll get what we want when more and more people acknowledge us. But don't sabotage others in this community when I tell you right now, we don't have the numbers or chance to win nor any of us are fighters or even have a legal case to win at courts for this. Malaysia just isn't build for this kind of beliefs we have. At least not yet.
Let's build a stable Ex-Muslim base first before even THINKING of starting a rebellion. Let's build a legal Ex-Muslim community based on trust and respect. Not out of fear and bloodshed.
My closing argument. Not enough people trust in us. They FEAR us. And that's why they're willing to go out of their way to keep us in check. Don't give them more reasons to fear us.
I think this is a huge milestone. Imagine many others who are just visitors. Also, I think the number increases exponentially during the holy month. Are we getting stronger?
I feel like growing up we never question about jinn at all like we're just told they already exist long before humans but never ask what their origins are so i'm gonna talk about it;
Islam didn't invent the whole jinn thing, they integrated it into the religion from pre islamic folklore with some tweaks, evidence for this is pre islamic poet like imru al-qais when he depicts the desert and ruins has "invisible" presences that influence humans or some sort. Also this concept already exists in earlier religion/culture like mesopotamians (~2k years before islam) they believed in Uttuku or shedim in judaism or daevas in zoroastrianism (persian) which all of them has similar characteristics to jinn.
And the word j-n-n yng bermaksud "to hide" or "to conceal" dh wujud dalam vocab arabic dulu sebelum islam, waktu pre-islam dorang guna perkataan ni untuk mcm spirit ah so orang yang compile quran ni dorang amik cita tu pastu modify skit ubah yang jinn tu diperbuat dari "smokeless fire" n boleh ubah rupa jadi binatang apa semua.
NOTE part last tu aku oversimplified supaya senang faham
hi everybody. struggling, on-the-fence kinda guy here haha (if thats a thing lmao). please don’t attack me. im just sharing an excerpt from a local queer tiktok that struck a chord in me. (video owner seemed scared for their safety if their video gets too spread around so im not sharing the link). word is paraphrased here btw.
“when you grow up in a religious household and a religious boarding school, you’re taught that believing in God/ having a strong faith brings you peace. its just hard to make sense of it now because i feel like it has always been out of fear, or at least recently it has been more out of fear.
there’s discussions about how religions are coping mechanisms for our uncertainties about death and things that we dont know. but then then there’s also the argument that being a non believer or an atheist/ agnostic is also a coping mechanism in being comfortable living a ‘sinful life’, whatever that means.
on one hand i do believe that the things that are considered sin are reasonable for the most part. but then i think again, how my entire being is almost (in itself is) a sin. that paradox is an entire level of hell that is my life.
it just feels like this contradictory of myself where i’m aware in a way, religion does make me a better person. and im not saying that without religion i have bad morals. but i feel like religion has also taught me a lot of good virtues that i hold now.
part of me is still holding on to possibility that islam might be true and if i dont pray or believe in God, then i might go to hell. but thats also such an insane foundation of belief; solely practicing religion just because you dont wanna go to hell. believing for the sole purpose of avoiding hell just makes myself feel vain.
if you practice faith on any religion or practice devotion to god, then why is there such a specific conditioning to how we love god?”
I'm not serious. Just a shower thought. What do you think?
I always see the pattern where so many religious people turn away from what they once believed. It’s like the deeper you learn, the more you start questioning what’s actually true. how did you guys manage to believe that whatever we have learned was wrong all along? I just want to listen abt your experiences :)
THE "ONE QURAN" IS A LIE: There Are Actually 20 Versions.
TL;DR: Everyone is told there is only one Quran, perfectly preserved to the letter. That’s a marketing script. In reality, there are 20 different official versions in print today. They have different word counts, different meanings, and different grammar. Even big universities like IIUM in Malaysia teach this in specialized classes while the public is kept in the dark.
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IIUM Course Catalog (RKQS 2322): (Study of Variant Readings)
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IIUM Press Textbook (2022): by Dr. Nashwan Abdo Khaled.
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IIUM Staff Directory: (Teaching "Variant Readings" for the 2025/2026 session).
1. The 20 "Official" Books
If you go to a mosque in Malaysia, you see one version (called Hafs). But if you go to Morocco, you’ll see a different one (Warsh).
Scholars admit there are 10 Main Reading Styles, and each one has two "Authorized Versions." That makes 20 Qurans. These aren't just accents; they are different printed books with different text.
2. The Smoking Gun: Different Verse Counts
If the Quran is "perfectly preserved to the letter," the number of sentences should be the same, right? Wrong.
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The Global Standard (Hafs): 6,236 verses.
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The African Standard (Warsh): 6,214 verses.
How can they be the "same book" if one has 22 more verses than the other? Mathematically, the "one book" claim is dead on arrival.
3. Words That Change the Meaning
They tell you it’s just "pronunciation." Don't believe it. Actual words and meanings change between these 20 versions.
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Surah 3:146: One version says a Prophet "Fought," while the other says he "Was Killed." (Huge difference!)
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Surah 2:184: One says to feed "A poor person," the other says to feed "Poor people." * Surah 1:4: One says God is the "Owner," the other says God is the "King."
4. The "IIUM" Secret
The International Islamic University Malaysia (IIUM) literally has a degree program (Bachelor of Quran and Sunnah) where they teach these 20 versions as "distinct textual data sets." They know the truth, but they don't tell the average person on the street because it would break the narrative of "perfect preservation."
5. Why Don't We Know This?
1,400 years ago, the third leader of Islam (Uthman) realized people were using different versions. His solution? He picked one version and burned all the others. He destroyed copies from the Prophet's closest companions (like Ibn Mas'ud, who had 111 chapters instead of 114). The "One Quran" we have today only exists because the competition was physically deleted.
Conclusion
The 2 billion people aren't stupid—they’ve just been fed the "Standard Edition" their whole lives. The data is clear: There is no single Quran. There are 20 versions, thousands of variations, and a long history of hiding the receipts.
Ini aku tak akan faham. Kau nak rosakkan hidup anak-anak ko lantak lah kenapa sibuk suka paksa sama kontrol orang lain jadi macam ko?
Please be careful guys of what are we posting on social media. Just be mindful of what we are saying and what we are doing <3 .
Hopefully people will finally realize that theocracy doesn't work and that religion simply cannot be forced on an entire population. Iran is the clearest example of this in modern history.
When people are literally celebrating the death of their own Supreme Leader in the streets, that's not just a political moment — that's decades of suppressed anger finally spilling over. This is a country where an entire generation grew up under a system they never chose.
Every Iranian I've personally met regrets the Islamic Revolution of the 1970s. Not because they are against their culture or faith, but because they watched their country get hijacked in the name of religion. They lost freedoms, opportunities, and in many cases, family members.
I think the biggest reason I was able to tell my mom, my family, and the people who matter to me that I no longer wished to practice or wear the hijab was faith. Not faith in a doctrine, but faith in myself. I had a strong sense of individuality and a deep need to live an honest life.
I know my mom by heart. We have gone through so much together. We faced hardships and never left each other’s side. At my lowest points, she believed in me, in my dreams, even in my stories about my boyfriends and my heartbreaks, haha.
My mom is the love of my life. Because of who she was and is to me, I trusted my gut that I had to tell her. It was not an ask. I was not seeking approval. I was telling her what I wanted and what I would do. As someone closest to me, I hoped she would know me fully, in every episode of my life.
I was in my mid 20s then. My family ni simple Malay family who lives in rural kampung. My parents are not tertiary educated, but both had worked in the cities before. My mom had vibrant adult years. She embraced the challenges of her work and travelled in the 80s and 90s.
We were sitting outside near the car park, peeling green bananas to make kerepek pisang.
'Mak, kakak nak bagitahu mak something ni. Mak, kakak dah lama tak practice agama, sebab kakak dah tak percaya and kakak tak kan pakai lagi tudung. Kakak tak mintak izin. Kakak bagitahu ni sebab kakak sayang mak and apa apa pun kakak mesti bagitahu mak.'
'Walaupun apa kita percaya lain lain, kakak nak mak tahu yang kakak sayang mak sampai bila bila. Ni je.'
She asked me why. I answered simply, 'Kakak dah tak percaya, mak. Ni yang kakak pilih.'
She replied, 'Janji dengan mak satu, kakak jaga diri. Bukan semua tempat akan terima kita, bila macam tu, kakak masuk kandang kambing, mengembek. Kakak jaga diri, jangan buat benda bodoh yang merosakkan hidup. Tu je mak mintak.'
I used to think unconditional love was a myth. But when I hugged her that day, I felt it. She reshaped what love meant to me. My heart felt swollen in a way I did not know was possible.
I had prepared myself for the worst. Years before, I had been chased out of the house for standing up to my dad when he disrespected my mom. I was ready to be disowned again. Ready to detach. What I was not ready for was acceptance and softness. For swollen eyes filled with tears instead of slammed doors.
The transition was not easy. My siblings struggled. They did not say it outright, but I felt it in small ways. Photos where I was cropped out. Family pictures chosen without me. I tried not to take it personally. I tried to stand in their shoes.
About a year later, at Aeon Mall, my brother casually volunteered to take my picture. My youngest sister later admitted it had been hard for her at first. Only after going to uni and meeting people from different backgrounds did she begin to understand that life experiences can shape someone in ways you do not immediately see.
I tend to expect the worst. Urgh.I assume I will not be accepted as I am, and that I must stand firm even if it feels lonely. But again and again, I have been proven wrong. My heart is swollen again with renewed love.
I enrolled uni in my late 20s. On my first day, there were students who made snarky remarks about me not wearing a hijab at a public university. I heard it. I knew what it meant. But I did what I do best. I stayed present. I helped anyone who needed help. I showed up as my capable self. And I showed up as my presentable, fashionable self too and slay, hahah!
I let the competence, kindness, confidence speaks. I took every opportunity to learn and grow myself while in uni. I learned that sometimes you do not fight every comment. Sometimes you outgrow it in real time, simply by being undeniable in who you are.
The day that I untangled my cognitive dissonances, I knew I wanted to live authentically. I no longer want to continue practices that would be expected of me if I still wore the hijab. I have always seen the hijab as a declaration of faith. Taking it off is an act of integrity. It was respect for myself and respect for the faith. I did not want to carry a symbol so deeply sacred without belief in my heart and sincere submission.
Speaking out against norms did not come naturally at first. I remember struggling when asked about prayers. 'I’m on my period' used to be my default answer. It was easier, less confrontational. Until I pushed myself a little further and simply said, 'No, I don’t pray. 'Why?' 'I don’t practice.'
Small smile. No further explanation.
I am grateful to work in an MNC that promotes inclusion and brings together people from different backgrounds. I feel that I belong. At town halls and department hangouts, alcohol is served for those who want it. I have tried it, joined izakaya outings, and toasted sake with my team and leadership. I once told a manager about wanting to visit the Netherlands to see a drag show, and they enthusiastically suggested I attend Pride next year.
Some close Malay colleagues have confided in me about beliefs and questions that might be considered heretical or unorthodox. They told me it is rare to speak so openly with someone like me, and that they are glad I am here as someone they can trust.
When this journey began, I was 21. It has been more than a decade. Back then, I had no subreddits, no forums, no visible community. There were many down days, days when I felt like I was losing myself.
Today, at the very least, I have carved out a personal safe space. In my relationships and in my work, I practice my freedom firmly. I also hope that one day I will find a life partner who shares the same values as me.
I would not trade my hardships for anything. They are part of my life’s texture and flavor. They shaped me. I did not abandon faith. I transformed it and placed it inward. Faith became the courage to live truthfully, the willingness to risk rejection for honesty, and the hope that love, when it is real, expands rather than shrinks in the face of difference.
There is no law that prohibit free hair or enforce tudung
If anyone force cant just say you ask expm wife 1st to wear?
Masa tunjuk perasaan awal tahun ni berjuta memang dah jadi atheist, agnostic atau paling kurang pun moderate diorang dah tak boleh tahan sama rejim ayatollah.
Lepas tu senyap lama. Bila ayatollah mati, berita keluar jutaan rakyat Iran meratapi kemangkatan ayatollah bagai??!?
Apa cerita?
Selective and bias news? Not just Malaysian news but international media says the same thing.
sumpah tak faham, is this their way of coping with the fact that they can never be openly queer/ally ke macam mana 🤔🤔
especially muslim girls (those around me at least) love watching thai BLs and then stopped during ramadan…. and then continue bila raya dan seterusnya??? like wadehek and they are all so blatantly homophobic too
same confusion applies to muslims who “break up” during ramadan then continue their relationship during eid
Im not from the religious authorities promise! But I am just very interested. Was it the religion itself or have you embraced another religion?
Hey.
Just want to share some tips for people who drink water but still refrain from eating.
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Hydration is key. Bring a water bottle with you so you can sip plain water throughout the day. Plain water. No caffein. No sodas. Definitely no alcohol.
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Electrolytes are as important. Since you aren't eating and some of you is sweating buckets in this weather, you may be depleting electrolytes in your body. You'll have headache, nausea, vomiting, muscle cramps and may feel faint.
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The best form of electrolytes (also the cheapest) is oral rehydration salt ORS. Can be bought at any pharmacy at less than RM1 per sachet. It has a bit of glucose to perk you up as well. You can get the fancy effervescent sports ones but ORS works just as well. Mix with a bit of water and drink in one go or sip throughout the day.
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If you can get away with eating small chunks of food - bananas, oranges, grapes, any fruits. Those are easy to carry around with you. Dates are actually good too. Instant sugar with a decent amount of vitamin, minerals and water content.
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Eat a well-balanced meal in sensible portion in the evening. Complex carbs at this time is better at releasing carbohydrate slowly. Example - whole grains. Don't skip sahur even if you are drinking water throughout the day.
Remember, your health is your number 1 priority. Someone caught you eating, tell them that even in Islam, fasting is only when you are healthy. All the best.
Islam and it's regime has officially started falling. Cheers🍻
Afghan vs Paki
Iran vs Arab States & America & Israel
Malaysia? I don't have to explain about what is going on currently :)
i really don't understand this obsession about akhir zaman with muslims. Every single shit that is happening like this current conflict they take it as tanda kiamat... like bffr dari zaman nabi lagi akhir zaman akhir zaman atp they just showing how dumb and blind they are believing in that cult.
I just discovered this yesterday and I'm shocked it took place in our very homeland! How many of y'all knew about this? How come I just learn about this now? Was this taught in our schools?
Sources:
Do you pretend to fast at work? Or don’t fast at all? If not, what do you tell people at work? I’ve been pretending to fast at work and always go to my car to eat and drink. i want to stop pretending but don’t know what to say when people ask
Sy sebagai kakak kdp exmuslim muda, harap sgt semua brhati² bila create posting di media sosial. Tak perlu nk share identiti sebenar. Biar muslim / yg lain kata fake atau apa saja. Utamakan keselamatan selagi masih ada di negara masing² yg melarang untuk murtad. Bukan kita takut, tapi ini demi keselamatan masing² & keluarga.
I've never been to Iran but I've been to turkey, pakistan-iran-turkey they are like thailand-malaysia-singapore
How do I articulate this...
My people are psyops for centuries
This needs to end
Fuck islam
Alright back to osint
I'm getting sick of pretending to be muslim. Can't even fake it outside cuz kene pkai tudung always time keluar
How safe is it to go freehair if I move to another state? I'm thinking of moving to a different state where none of my relatives reside in so I can be safer but I'm kinda scared
So nk tanye la, korg yg ex muslim perempuan deal dgn problem tudung ni camne? Or mmg kene pindah negara baru truly free
Guys, saja lah nak tanya sikit kan, sementara menunggu waktu berbuka (bagi yang fake fasting)
Sebagai exmuslims, memang susah untuk kita bina relationship sebab agak berisiko tinggi, kan ?
But let's say someone dari circle kawan2 atau kenalan, tiba2 beritahu yang dia sukakan korang. Tak kisahlah dia Muslim ke bukan Muslim, because the latter needs to convert at the end of the day.
Apa yang korang akan cakap/buat ?
Me, personally, saya suka guna "in this economy ?" punya line, and I think I’m more than justified to use that excuse, sebab you know, lelaki kan kena jadi provider (at least that's what abang Madnor cakap lol🤣)
Korang pulak ? Ataupun korang palau buat2 tak layan je ?