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@lislegaard yeah i'm just grateful i still have a wifi toggle
@elifyalvac no need :D nice to read
@lislegaard i think friction was one of the things that brought me joy as a kid, like not knowing what a track was or meeting people being a special thing, having time to think about stuff
staring into space
@incentive @lislegaard oh my, ouch
@defaultmediatransmitter @lislegaard ok maybe i'll look at that one day, when i have time (i vaguely remember what that's like)
@incentive @lislegaard yeah this is similar to how i roll on here, i prob don't need 'fedi signal' at all
(it is a bit leaky here though so i'm not gonna put my signal id in a dm, rather post an email alias - there are levels :))
@lislegaard i mean yeah i guess, but insta seems to make people depressed and fb makes them fight
like idk if it has any lasting value being in touch with people if that ends up happening, why even bother
(i do have some privilege here though cos i'm usually findable somehow, even if people are just emailing my agent/label or whatever)
@lislegaard it's all the blocking and stuff, it would do my head in trying to weed out bad actors (or i'd flip and go mad with the banhammer like tony montana)
i'd love something like signal but federated - if that was even possible, not at all well up on the technicals around this
kind of granular levels of encryption or something, idk, what am i even saying i have no clue
@lislegaard yeah defo i mean when i briefly looked at self-hosting (before i realised how much of a headache it can be) i thought about using one of those services, but you're right - if enough people use them there's that (now) obvious drawback of half the fed going down at once
@lislegaard all fine here fwiw
@mcc you have the technology
@silvermoats ts1a was max yeah
i swapped a bunch of .rns files with aaron years ago and some of his patterns had wild numbers of steps and were running at really high bpms, and he'd have weird things like events every 5 steps, just so that now and again he could do some sneaky clock division
his stuff was really pushing the idea of what you can do with that kinda interface, but within limits - like he wouldn't use the delay function in there much (you can really place stuff as arbitrarily as you like using that)
but really most of these interfaces can be pushed into whatever form you like - they might suggest certain flows but if you don't mind a bit of work you can get p much anything to do anything these days (and he is def the kinda person to do that kinda stuff)
@silvermoats yeah - idk about this cos you can have any number of steps in a tracker pattern (at least in renoise) - but if ur using hex values i guess it can skew toward a 4 grid, depending on how you edit
@silvermoats yeah basically you tend to step on beats, so 1/4
i mean- you could do 2 bar loops of 7/4 at 174bpm and dance to that half time but then you'd be in 7/4 at 87bpm, not like 3.5/4 at 174bpm (i guess you could call it that but why lol)
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> i know some of those white hotel people by association, a few of my mcr mates are connected to them</p><p>not surprising if someone from mcr doesn't like london though, it's kind of a mantra up there (there are reasons but i'm not gonna list them)<br />if anything it gets a bit boring, but at the same time i get it, cos mcr was onto acid and electro in a better way than london ever was imo (less cheesy, more twisted)</p><p>i rem reading a weatherall interview where he talked about thunderdome and said it was terrifying</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> >Are there any Jay Wearden mixes in that manchester radio wordpress link you sent?</p><p>i don't think so, there aren't many mixes of his online, he was mainly a club dj (the bits that are up aren't really representative, people tend to upload the cheesy bits)</p><p>>And are you aware of any of Manchester communities that still try to keep that warehouse spirit or did they all die after crowds changed? </p><p>i'm prob not the right person to ask - there are free parties and stuff (i have one mate with a sound system still doing bits round there) but afaik nothing on that kinda scale (like the old blackburn parties) happens indoors now</p><p>i've got that spiegel release, i really like her stuff esp the modal things</p><p>>Let me know if you recommend any books/articles that I can read about the specifics?</p><p>greg wilson's been doing an excellent job of documenting the mcr i grew up in - at least as far as the early days:<br /><a href="https://electrofunkroots.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">electrofunkroots.co.uk</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>this is jay's book:<br /><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56686582-going-underground" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">goodreads.com/book/show/566865</span><span class="invisible">82-going-underground</span></a></p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@logotype" class="u-url mention">@<span>logotype</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> nah not really - used icq and kdx though</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@silvermoats" class="u-url mention">@<span>silvermoats</span></a></span> yeah i love 7/4 it's prob my fav timesig, you can do loads with it (apart from dance halftime)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@mathew" class="u-url mention">@<span>mathew</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs" class="u-url mention">@<span>thomasfuchs</span></a></span> really interesting this, cheers</p><p>I didn’t know it played a role in memory formation, that’s crazy</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> yeah early on (pre 91) you didn’t hear the word ‘rave’ much up north, people called them ‘parties’ (they were similar but in warehouses/ old factories not fields, with less glowsticks and fluoro maybe)<br />It’s a subtle thing, not that easy to explain, the tunes were on the darker/rougher side as well</p><p>Jay Wearden was the main dj in Hippos in my home town (Middleton), he was on a similar tip to us back then and he even wrote a book a few years ago about his experience - in Mcr there were a few parallel scenes (like the Hacienda/Legends with all the Mcr media lot, Thunderdome/Konspiracy/Hippos which was more our end of it, and Bowlers which was more on the prog house end, loads of others besides) and there were only small overlaps at first until it all got kinda smushed, the crowds changed a bit around 92 and it solidified a bit into something less good imo, at least for a couple of years</p><p>Actually now I think about it Jay was the first person who played us Coil so he was a bit responsible for us getting sidetracked into weirder stuff back then as well</p><p>You could prob write several very different books about Mcr club scenes (a few people have) cos there was a lot going on, goes back to the 70s really (we only got involved in 83/84 thru electro and all that)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@silvermoats" class="u-url mention">@<span>silvermoats</span></a></span> well I like bits of it like I say, it’s a nice tempo to work at, and there’s a lot you can do with it</p><p>jungle (or what people call jungle now) is just a thin slice</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> ah I didn’t mean to imply an opposition there, I was more meaning them as two separate facts</p><p>Although now you say it, I might have done that unconsciously (there was def a lot less of that smug 90s irony up north, but I wasn’t really meaning that there)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@logotype" class="u-url mention">@<span>logotype</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> naughty warp, tut tut</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://sonomu.club/@c_reider" class="u-url mention">@<span>c_reider</span></a></span> what about astronauts?</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> i mean who knows really, they were pretty proactive sending their stuff out so i imagine someone would have picked it up, i was prob just the most enthusiastic (and least london iykwim)</p><p>we had a good connection for those first few years, we did gigs together and so on, good times; and they def had their own thing going on, a slightly diff mindset to most of the other artists knocking about</p><p>idk what they're up to these days, it's been a long time of no contact</p><p>i know andy still hears from them now and again, although he's very secretive about what they tell him, as he should be :)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> yeah maybe, i've not seen it</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> idk the first thing i heard was twoism but i can't rem most of the track names now, there was one really awkward one on there, 'iced cooly' was it? i rem that being the clincher, but i liked the rest of it as well</p><p>was actually andy maddocks who played it to me originally, he didn't know what to make of it at first and i was like 'are you kidding this is amazing' and immediately rang up mike</p><p>off the tapes i kept coming back to 'northern plastics' which is still a fav really, it still really reminds me of something i can't put my finger on</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> yeah that might be semi-accurate on rich's part but i rem listening to nlogax with him and him going 'uhhhh' when that 101 melody comes in around 3 mins</p><p>he probably just forgot or something :)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> ehh it would have happened anyway i think, i just jumped on it before everyone else and steve from warp heard me playing it</p><p>idk if mike or rich really got how good it was early on, i rem mike boards saying that mike p had told him 'i like the funky ones', which prob wasn't the right thing to say</p><p>rich was well into it harmonically though, he just slept on it too long and by that point skam were involved so that was that</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs" class="u-url mention">@<span>thomasfuchs</span></a></span> yeah i get what you mean - dna gets a bit hazy but it's not strictly speaking 'a program', so you're right in that sense</p><p>i mean afaik it's coding for proteins and has a strict order of operation, and you could argue (i'm not that guy but i've seen it done) that the 'purpose' of dna is dna propagation </p><p>but i'm not gonna die on a semantic hill over that, it's kind of a side point really</p><p>and i think you're right that a computer isn't gonna yield anything close to 'agi', whatever that is (but that's just an intuition really)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> right i see</p><p>idk if i'd bother hunting that down tbh</p><p>one cool thing i rem about those tapes was that everyone got slightly different versions, so i guess at least one of them is lost to time</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs" class="u-url mention">@<span>thomasfuchs</span></a></span> ok my mistake, as you were</p><p>('meaningful' though? 🤷♂️)</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs" class="u-url mention">@<span>thomasfuchs</span></a></span> i'm not suggesting for a minute that they're on the right track or even that agi can be defined, but dna can probably be described as an algorithm</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.art/@junklight" class="u-url mention">@<span>junklight</span></a></span> my partner follows a woman on insta who has a particularly funny stallion, and that woman's mentions are full of people trying to call her out for causing the funniness of said stallion</p><p>i think some people just like to criticise strangers, esp if they'd have no chance of knowing them irl</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> yeah difficult is one word for it</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@artiom_constantinov" class="u-url mention">@<span>artiom_constantinov</span></a></span> i mean obvs i'm being a bit cynical here, mainly to offset a lot of what i see as hype</p><p>i think you'll get the kind of people who were already in fairly artistically null territory using it a bit and no one really noticing cos what they're replacing was already fungible to some extent</p><p>i think it's a bit like cgi - as in, the only time you'll notice it is when it's bad, so people will complain about it when it's prob right to complain, and other times they won't notice it at all and will assume it's not there (and i'm not gonna get into this but the q then is does it even matter)</p><p>i mean obvs looking at it as a techbro corporate takeover of the type of work traditionally done by humans makes it super shady in any context (cos it's a corporate takeover), but from a purely artistic standpoint i think you can only say whether it matters or not based on results</p><p>and bad results are bad regardless of the method used</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> nah not spoken to him in years, idk where he's at these days, heard he moved back to uk but just grapevine really</p><p>lmk if you get to do it</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@artiom_constantinov" class="u-url mention">@<span>artiom_constantinov</span></a></span> i mean machines making music for adverts feels like something that was always on the cards</p><p>i rem getting a sync req for a margarine advert for a track of ours, which we refused - and then a couple of months later seeing the ad and it having the most obvious soundalike copy of our track on it</p><p>so i'm like ehh, now they don't even need to pay someone to do that graft</p><p>any loss for human culture? idk, if anything they're doing everyone a favour</p>
sean_ae<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/@elifyalvac" class="u-url mention">@<span>elifyalvac</span></a></span> yeah i have a couple of those boc tapes still but i think i left one of them in my ex wife's car (i guess someone else inherited that now)</p><p>i'm usually working on stuff basically so it's partly a time thing but mostly me liking routine and being in a bubble - and the way i'm working now is kinda reflexive, just extending the same thing indefinitely, so it makes sense to just live in it iykwim</p>