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[–]Smogshaik 110 points111 points  (9 children)

In the last part, the country‘s name is completely different though. How come?

Apart from that, I find it amazing that this old tale was actually solved. Did not expect this to happen!

[–]Nalkarj[S] 59 points60 points  (7 children)

I’m not sure, but it may be a mistranslation or a misunderstanding based on the language barrier. According to the site “Kook Science”:

According to the Province, a sample of Zegrus's apparently invented language was written in Latin characters on the passport, beneath the official stamp of Tuared: "Rch ubwaii ochtra negussi habessi trwap turapa".

That last bogus phrase looks like the bogus phrase quoted in the Japanese newspaper article, and I wonder if Japanese officials misunderstood what was the fake country’s name. Or maybe the translation is wrong. u/taraiochi also posted the original Japanese.

[–]whatsnewpussykat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Province is such a comparatively small newspaper I was truly shocked to see it play such a big role in this story!

[–]erinthecute 64 points65 points  (6 children)

This is awesome, I always wondered if this story had any truth to it. “Taured” registered to me as a variation on “Tuareg”, a group of Saharan peoples in southern Algeria and neighbouring countries, which tracks with the second variation’s identification of the country as “south of the Sahara”, and the man’s native language being French (as the whole region was part of the French colonial empire, and most still speak it today.) EDIT: If he was a Tuareg he would not have spoken French natively.

[–]fuckedupceiling 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I was thinking the same thing! I've always been interested in this case and just now thought "hey, it sounds like Tuareg". I'm not familiar with the culture but there used to be a small shop in my small town where I bought a dress for a school dance once called "Tuareg". I don't know how I never made the connection until now!

[–]blueberrysprinkles 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is a big problem with native languages and assumptions made around that, especially outside of linguistics research. The concept of a "native language" is very blurry and ambiguous, and there are plenty of reasons a person may not have the same native language as the rest of their cultural group, or that they may have multiple native languages.

An example in this case might be that Zegrus was Tuareg, but didn't use Tamashek often, or perhaps never learnt it (cultural reasons, politics, power, prestige). That French is the language of a conqueror doesn't mean that those people native to the region wouldn't speak or would refuse to learn it. English is the language of conquerors - the Anglo-Saxons invaded England and brought English with them. I am from a region that would've been predominantly Celtic at that time, but I only speak English. That's generations of people not teaching or not using a language due to outside influences which were more powerful than keeping the language. Not everyone cares about saving a language or using it for cultural reasons if this other language is the one that's going to get you money and education.

It could also have been that he was bilingual and raised with both languages. In this case, "native language" is a vague and imprecise term. Both are then considered his native language or first language.

The concepts and assumptions that come along with language learning and acquisition, like "bilingual", "monolingual", "native language", etc. have changed throughout time and have different meanings in popular culture than to how they are used in linguistics. "Native language" and "first language" are often used interchangeably, but in linguistics someone's first language can change throughout their life. It could mean the language you learn first, but it could also mean the language you use most. You could grow up speaking Finnish, move to Japan in your early twenties, learn Japanese to a native level (so then is that a native language for you now if you could pass as a native?), and never use Finnish again. If Japanese is now your primary language, most linguists would consider that your first language.

The fact that he spoke French is important, but it does not mean he wasn't Tuareg. I know nothing of the Tuaregs, but these are still important influences on any speaker of any language, especially minority languages. What his speaking French shows - and the documentation/language surrounding that - is more related to the environment and culture at that time than how he might've actually spoken or what language was his primary language.

[–]RoombaTheCleaner 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Great write up. The story of this guy has always intrigued me.

[–]Easy-Tigger 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Wait, I'm confused. So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

[–]FeatureBugFuture 17 points18 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about? There is nothing like that in there.

[–]Nalkarj[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I don’t think internal affairs plays any role in this…?

[–]aidyfarman 13 points14 points  (1 child)

[–]Nalkarj[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ah. Thanks! :) Just lets me know I should watch more Simpsons.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_OUIJA 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is great, it’s like a bizarro Catch Me If You Can story and I love it. Knowing the “truth” makes me appreciate the myth even more. I’d watch a movie about this.

[–]Hanging_out 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s damn fine work, detective.

[–]PoopyMcDoodypants 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this! I've always wondered about this one.

[–]Pamplemousse991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I'm a bit surprised he stole so much money but I suppose with a fake passport that might be a good idea haha

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I always felt the story had some truth in it and most likely got embellished over time, but had no proof. Great post OP, always love seeing people research past the surface level of mysteries 😎

[–]RelaxedOrange 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so fascinating and makes me so happy! I just assumed that the story had been made up entirely from scratch and I’m delighted to learn the real background that led to it

[–]Logic_Linguist_1111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When googled his passport photo taken in 1960, I saw it has a NFC symbol in the right corner. How is it possible to have a NFC passport symbol in 1960?

[–]sixpensenonethewiser 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about him disappearing though?

Edit: sorry if I’ve overlooked that part in your write up.

[–]Smogshaik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe bribed the guards

[–]darkages69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good work !