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  • The fact that there are several strips of Eddie interacting with this uncle and zero with his parents has some pretty depressing and highly-relatable implications

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  • awww, I like how he's trying to relate but doesn't know how. it's at least better than what his parents are doing.

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  • His uncle doesn't seem to have bad intentions actually

    Also ima be real with yall the stereotypical gay accent that kind of sounds like a valley girl accent is one of the most obnoxious accents of all time but thankfully not every homosexual dude sounds like that

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  • Where did it came from actually? Cuz back in days there were gay bars of some sort and all that comes to mind are muscular cops. Or is it another stereotype?

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  • mromg said:
    Where did it came from actually? Cuz back in days there were gay bars of some sort and all that comes to mind are muscular cops. Or is it another stereotype?

    There's a lot more to it than this, but as a somewhat-brief answer: it's an ancient trope going all the way back to how the ancient Romans saw sexuality: Men who top men are just as 'manly' as straight men, but men who bottom are lesser, effeminate and/or otherwise woman-like.

    That became how straight people saw gays: Men behaving as women, because there must be a man and woman archetype in every sexual relationship, which was reinforced even further after the birth of psychoanalysis and Freud's bullshit ideas spread.

    As the US became more and more of a major player in cultural exports, their own takes on the trope became more widespread: The goofy, effeminate man so weak even his speech is slurred, and so dainty he may as well be a woman. Throughout most of this time, too, gender dysphoria was miscategorized as homosexuality, so the existence of trans women would just confirm this bias in the eyes of straight people.

    The trope was so pervasive it also started to actually influence how gay men behaved, because every book, play, movie and etc. gay men could consume, all written by straight people, told them that's what being gay is.

    In short, it's a very old trope, culture made it widespread, gay men were inundated by it and either consciously or subconsciously adopted it because that's all they could find out about their sexuality from their culture

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  • dragoe said:
    His uncle doesn't seem to have bad intentions actually

    Also ima be real with yall the stereotypical gay accent that kind of sounds like a valley girl accent is one of the most obnoxious accents of all time but thankfully not every homosexual dude sounds like that

    That accent makes me want to jump into a pool with a cardboard box full of solid sodium

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  • mromg said:
    That was nice to read but now I can't stop imagining an ancient greek shaming a bottom man.

    The Greeks didn't actually care. They even had mandatory (not actually mandatory just very common) gay teacher/student relationship.

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  • fur_rulz said:
    The Greeks didn't actually care. They even had mandatory (not actually mandatory just very common) gay teacher/student relationship.

    That's pretty far from what we believe of ancient Greece. There was no stigma about being a man that penetrated men, but huge negative stigma to be the man that's penetrated. In their society, anally penetrating someone was considered an insult to them, male or female. It was mostly reserved for sex with slaves or prostitutes. More, you'd lose social and political standing if you allowed yourself to be anally penetrated by anyone of equal status as you, and probably outcast if it was someone of lower status. It's very probable that some relationships existed against these norms in private, but wouldn't have been socially condoned. And the student - teacher sexual interactions, called pederasty, specifically forbade penetrating a young male ward. Instead, intercrural sex, or thigh sex, was performed, as the idea was that anally penetrating a male charge could effectively ruin him for the future and prevent him from taking a wife later. They were pretty serious about these sexual codes, far as we can tell.

    As for the lisp accent of the 50s - 90s gay scene, it didn't really have to do with feminine mannerisms, but was part of a series of gay code. Some people legitimately have a lisp like that, gay or straight, so while it wasn't exactly "normal", it didn't immediately draw attention. Gay men began adopting it as a signal to each other in a time where homosexuality was considered a mental illness that could get you committed to some seriously awful treatment, and when gay sexual activity was outright illegal. If you heard someone with the accent, it let you know to look for some other signs that you both played on the same team, but even then it wasn't guaranteed. A lot of gay men even adopted the accent without realizing it, because that's just how their chosen peers spoke. It's largely died out in the US since homosexuality stopped being considered a mental disorder in the 90s and non-vaginal sex became decriminalized in the 2000s, as well as from the increased use of the internet for socializing and hookups. And, well, because by that point everyone knew about it anyway, so it wasn't very good code anymore.

    And, yes, that means the accent was mostly "fake", but if you fake any way of talking long enough, it becomes what your brain and vocal cords default into. No more fake than someone seeing a vocal coach. But, yeah, it's got a particular ring to it that is somewhat grating to me.

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