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    Sunday, July 30th, 2023
    10:08 pm
    VenteGus - BtDigg
    SB = Steven Bergis <steven.bergis@ventegus.com>
    B  = BtDigg <mail@btdig.com>
    
    
    =[12]====================
    
    B> Dear Ventegus Team,
    B>
    B> We regret that our efforts to ensure a fair and transparent process
    B> have led to such a response from your side. We want to emphasize that
    B> our intention is not to ignore your requests but to address them with
    B> due diligence and accuracy.
    B>
    B> While we strive for constructive dialogue, it is disheartening to note
    B> that the tone of your recent message seems to be shifting towards a
    B> less cooperative and more aggressive approach. Cyberbullying and
    B> personal attacks are not acceptable, and they do not contribute to a
    B> productive resolution.
    B>
    B> As previously mentioned, we have concerns regarding certain aspects of
    B> the provided information, and we have simply sought clarification to
    B> ensure the accuracy of the claims. Our intention is not to support
    B> copyright infringements, but rather to uphold the principles of
    B> fairness and due process.
    B>
    B> We believe that a cooperative and respectful approach will lead to a
    B> more productive resolution. We are committed to doing our job
    B> responsibly and professionally, just as we expect from all parties
    B> involved.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[11]====================
    
    SB> Amazing, we are absolutely speechless. That´s really great. Most likely
    SB> you have the wrong job - oh sorry - most likely it´s only ChatGPT - but
    SB> nevertheless,
    SB> it is unbelievable how much time you spend to answer our requests. We
    SB> assume that you are aware of the fact that it is better not to ignore
    SB> our requests...
    SB> But you waste our time. You are not willing to cooperate, you prefer to
    SB> support copyright infringements - and we are tiered of you empty words.
    SB> It would have been much faster and easier for you to cooperate. But you
    SB> prefer to play tricks and start useless discussions. The big unknown. A
    SB> coward without name and address.
    SB> Invisible and untouchable. But is that really the case? Wait and see.
    SB> You do your job, and we do our job. Best of luck!.
    
    =[10]====================
    
    B> Dear Ventegus Team,
    B>
    B> Thank you for expressing your impression of our efforts to align BtDigg
    B> with legal requirements and industry standards. We take this responsibility
    B> seriously and aim to foster mutual trust and transparency in all our
    B> interactions.
    B>
    B> While we appreciate your willingness to provide the requested documents, we
    B> must inform you that any "goodwill gesture", as you mentioned earlier, is
    B> not the basis for our collaboration. Our approach is grounded in a fair and
    B> thorough examination of all relevant information to ensure proper handling
    B> of incoming claims.
    B>
    B> Regarding the request to send the documents via letter, we understand your
    B> concerns about data security and privacy. However, we have established secure
    B> channels for the submission and verification of documents, which comply with
    B> data protection regulations. We kindly request that you utilize these secure
    B> channels for sharing the necessary documentation. In the spirit of transparency,
    B> we must address certain aspects that have been raised throughout our
    B> communication.
    B>
    B> Firstly, we have attempted to verify the identity of Jens Kükelhahn,
    B> the managing director of Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH, through social
    B> media channels and other public sources, but unfortunately, we have
    B> been unable to find any credible profiles or information related to
    B> him. It is unusual for a managing director in today's professional
    B> landscape not to have any presence on social media, particularly
    B> on platforms like LinkedIn. This lack of presence raises questions
    B> about the authenticity of the provided details.
    B>
    B> Additionally, the company address of Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH with
    B> the postcode 31137 appears to be unconventional, resembling more of a
    B> h4x0r'ish leetspeak reference rather than a legitimate business address.
    B> Such inconsistencies contribute to the doubts surrounding the legitimacy of
    B> the information.
    B>
    B> Furthermore, the use of a offensive communication style with
    B> thuggish phrases like "who do you think you are?", "live and let live",
    B> "ridiculous requests" and "to find a different solution" is not conducive
    B> to fostering an open and cooperative atmosphere. Being highly
    B> unorthodox and unprofessional, they do not align with the claimed
    B> position of a rightful owner of the copyright further adding to the
    B> doubts surrounding the authenticity of the communication. Our
    B> intention is to work together to find a fair and respectful resolution to
    B> copyright infringement issues.
    B>
    B> Given these concerns, we kindly request that you provide additional,
    B> verifiable evidence to support your claims and prove the legitimacy
    B> of the reported copyright infringements. To proceed with this matter,
    B> we kindly request you to provide verifiable evidence of Jens
    B> Kükelhahn's identity **and** his position as the managing director
    B> of Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH. Note, that an aged social profile with decent
    B> number of connections would make this step unnecessary. Additionally,
    B> any other relevant and credible documentation that supports your claims
    B> would be helpful in resolving the reported copyright infringements.
    B>
    B> We understand the importance of protecting your customers' interests,
    B> but we must prioritize ensuring that we are engaging with legitimate
    B> representatives and claims. Our verification process is in place to
    B> prevent any potential misuse of the reporting system and to maintain
    B> the integrity of our platform.
    B>
    B> We acknowledge your willingness to cooperate, and we are committed to
    B> resolving this issue in a fair and transparent manner. However, we
    B> must address these doubts to ensure the accuracy and legitimacy of the
    B> process.
    B>
    B> Thank you for your understanding, and we look forward to receiving the
    B> necessary information for further review.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[9]====================
    
    SB> Dear BtDigg Support Team,
    SB>
    SB> We are really impressed by the fact that currently striving to bring the
    SB> legacy platform in
    SB> line with the necessary legal requirements and industry standards.
    SB> That´s great.
    SB> Of course we are willing to provide you the requested documents.
    SB> Mutual trust It is a standard practice in the copyright enforcement
    SB> field to ensure the legitimacy of claims and
    SB> avoid potential misuse. Therefore we can send you the requested
    SB> documents only by letter.
    SB> We are looking forward to receive your business address and the name of
    SB> your managing director.
    SB> As soon as we receive the necessary information we will send you a
    SB> letter with the requested documents.
    SB>
    SB> Have a nice weekend,
    SB>
    SB> The Ventegus Team
    
    =[8]====================
    
    B> Dear Ventegus Team,
    B>
    B> We appreciate your understanding and cooperation in providing the
    B> necessary information regarding the copyright owner and the Letter of
    B> Authorization. However, please be aware that our diligence in
    B> verifying such details is crucial to ensuring a fair and transparent
    B> process in handling copyright infringement claims.
    B>
    B> As you have noticed earlier, BtDigg's management has undergone
    B> changes, and we are currently striving to bring the legacy platform in
    B> line with the necessary legal requirements and industry standards.
    B> This includes implementing a more rigorous verification process to
    B> protect the interests of all parties involved.
    B>
    B> Regarding the request for an ID card and additional documentation, we
    B> understand your privacy concerns, but it is a standard practice in the
    B> copyright enforcement field to ensure the legitimacy of claims and
    B> avoid potential misuse of the reporting system. Our intention is not
    B> to harass or cause inconvenience but to uphold the integrity of our
    B> platform and the rights of content creators.
    B>
    B> We respect your commitment to protecting the interests of your
    B> customers, and we are equally committed to maintaining an open and
    B> friendly atmosphere in our communication. Our ultimate goal is to
    B> ensure a fair resolution for all parties while adhering to the
    B> relevant legal frameworks.
    B>
    B> In light of your request for a deletion within 24 hours, we must
    B> adhere to our established protocols. As soon as we receive verified
    B> and valid documentation for each project you have previously reported,
    B> we will expedite the review process to address the reported copyright
    B> infringements appropriately.
    B>
    B> We value your willingness to cooperate, and we will work diligently to
    B> resolve this matter as efficiently as possible. Please be assured that
    B> we approach this with the utmost seriousness and fairness.
    B>
    B> If you have any specific concerns or questions, we are open to
    B> addressing them in a constructive manner.
    B>
    B> Thank you for your understanding.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[7]====================
    
    SB> Dear BtDigg Support Team,
    SB>
    SB> Of course we understand that you need some information about the
    SB> copyright owner, a PoA etc. That´s fine.
    SB> We have provided all necessary information. That is more than
    SB> sufficient. Everything else is an unnecessary harassment.
    SB> Who do you think you are? You request an ID card? Really? That´s really
    SB> a very bad joke!
    SB> Don´t get us wrong! We really appreciate your willingness to cooperate,
    SB> but stop playing tricks and continue to be as cooperative as you have
    SB> been in the past.
    SB> Live and let live. You do your job - we do our job. If you are not
    SB> cooperative, we are forced to find a different way
    SB> to protect the interests of our customers.It´s your decision. We
    SB> appreciate an open and friendly atmosphere.
    SB>
    SB> You will receive proper PoA for each project. That´s sufficient.
    SB> Everything else is not appropriate in this situation.
    SB> We expect a deletion within 24h as a gesture of goodwill. If you prefer
    SB> to continue with ridiculous requests, we search for a different
    SB> solution.
    SB>
    SB> Thank you for your understanding.
    SB>
    SB> The Ventegus Team
    
    =[6]====================
    
    B> Dear Ventegus Team,
    B>
    B> Thank you for providing the updated Letter of Authorization from Amped
    B> Software, which you received today. We acknowledge the appointment and
    B> authorization of Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH as the Appointee to protect
    B> and enforce Amped SRL's copyright in its copyrightable works under the
    B> copyright laws.
    B>
    B> We have also noted your assertion that Jens Kükelhahn is the managing
    B> director of Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH, and you have provided several
    B> sources to verify this information. However, we must reiterate our
    B> need for direct proof of identity to maintain a rigorous and unbiased
    B> verification process.
    B>
    B> Due to the nature of webpages and online information, they can be
    B> subject to alteration or manipulation, especially considering the
    B> legal matters involved. As such, we are unable to solely rely on web
    B> links to confirm the identity of individuals or entities. Instead, we
    B> require an official document, such as a government-issued
    B> identification or any legally recognized proof of identity, to ensure
    B> the accuracy and legitimacy of the provided information.
    B>
    B> We understand the importance of resolving this matter promptly, and we
    B> appreciate your cooperation thus far. However, our policies mandate
    B> stringent verification protocols to maintain the integrity of our
    B> processes and decisions.
    B>
    B> Once we receive the requested proof of identity for Jens Kükelhahn,
    B> and if the provided Letter of Authorization is valid and continuous,
    B> we will proceed with the investigation of the reported copyright
    B> infringement.
    B>
    B> Thank you for your understanding. If you have any further questions or
    B> concerns, please feel free to let us know.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[5]====================
    
    >>>> On 7/27/23, Steven Bergis<steven.bergis@ventegus.com>   wrote:
    SB> Dear BtDigg Support Team,
    SB>
    SB> We appreciate you support and your cooperation. We assume that you are
    SB> aware of the fact that you have received and accepted numerous DMCA
    SB> reports for numerous different
    SB> Ventegus projects in the past.  We asked Aped Software for a fresh PoA
    SB> which we received today. Please fin it attached to this email.
    SB>
    SB> Jens Kükelhahn is the managing director of the company. You can find
    SB> numerous sources to check that:
    SB>
    SB> https://www.northdata.de/VENTEGUS+Anti-Piracy+GmbH,+Hildesheim/HRB+201876
    SB> https://www.companyhouse.de/VENTEGUS-Anti-Piracy-GmbH-Hildesheim
    SB> https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/reporters/50111
    SB>
    SB> Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
    SB>
    SB> The Ventegus Team
    
    =[4]====================
    
    B> Dear Steven Bergis,
    B>
    B> Thank you for providing the Letter of Authorization from Amped SRL
    B> dated 13/04/2017. We acknowledge the appointment and authorization of
    B> Ventegus Anti-Piracy GmbH, represented by Jens Kuekelhahn, as the
    B> Appointee to protect and enforce Amped SRL's copyright in its
    B> copyrightable works under the copyright laws.
    B>
    B> To ensure transparency and accuracy in our investigation, we have
    B> carefully reviewed the provided Letter of Authorization. However, we
    B> must also request proof of continuity in your authorization.
    B> Considering the date mentioned in the letter, which is valid until
    B> 31/07/2017, we need to ascertain whether this authorization is still
    B> in effect.
    B>
    B> If the Authorization Letter has been renewed or extended beyond the
    B> mentioned date, please provide us with the updated documentation that
    B> confirms the continuation of the Appointee's authority to act on
    B> behalf of Amped SRL.
    B>
    B> Additionally, as per our process, we need to verify the current
    B> identity of Jens Kuekelhahn as the representative of Ventegus
    B> Anti-Piracy GmbH. Kindly share a recent government-issued
    B> identification document or any official document that confirms Jens
    B> Kuekelhahn's identity.
    B>
    B> Please be aware that while we proceed with our review, the outcome is
    B> not guaranteed, and our decision will be based solely on the merit of
    B> the provided information and adherence to our policies.
    B>
    B> Your cooperation is highly appreciated, and we will await the
    B> necessary documentation to move forward with the assessment of the
    B> reported copyright infringement.
    B>
    B> If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to let us
    B> know.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[3]====================
    
    SB> Please find our PoA attached.
    
    =[2]====================
    
    B> Dear Steven Bergis,
    B>
    B> Thank you for reaching out to BtDigg regarding the copyright
    B> infringement notice you have received. We take such matters
    B> seriously,
    B> but as per our policies, we require proper verification and proof
    B> of
    B> your authority and identity to address this issue appropriately.
    B>
    B> To proceed with the investigation, could you please provide the
    B> following information:
    B>
    B>         Proof of authorization: Kindly submit a document or legal
    B> agreement demonstrating that you are indeed authorized to act on
    B> behalf of Amped SRL, the copyright holder, and are entitled to
    B> request
    B> the removal of the mentioned hyperlinks.
    B>
    B>         Identity verification: To ensure the legitimacy of your
    B> claim,
    B> please share a government-issued identification document or any
    B> other
    B> official document that confirms your identity as Steven Bergis.
    B>
    B> Once we receive the requested information, we will initiate our
    B> internal review process to determine the appropriate course of
    B> action.
    B> Please understand that we cannot make any promises regarding the
    B> outcome, as our decisions will be based solely on the merits of the
    B> case and adherence to our policies.
    B>
    B> If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to
    B> let
    B> us know, and we'll do our best to assist you within the boundaries
    B> of
    B> our guidelines.
    B>
    B> Thank you for your cooperation.
    B>
    B> Best regards,
    B> The BtDigg Support Team
    
    =[1]====================
    
    SB> *Dear Gentlemen,
    SB>
    SB> By order from the copyright holder
    SB>
    SB> *Amped SRL, AREA Science Park, Padriciano 99, 34149 Trieste,
    SB> Italy,
    SB> Phone: +39.040.3755333 Web: https://www.ampedsoftware.com*
    SB>
    SB> we send you the following list of hyperlinks, containing illegally
    SB> uploaded, copyrighted data. Please delete these files immediately.
    SB>
    SB> For further questions don't hesitate to contact us.
    SB>
    SB> Ventegus is specialized in searching the internet for
    SB> infringements
    SB> of
    SB> copyright laws. We are acting on behalf of the copyright owner.
    SB>
    SB> I have good faith belief that the use of the copyrighted materials
    SB> described above and contained on the service is not authorized by
    SB> the
    SB> copyright owner, its agent, or by protection of law.
    SB>
    SB> I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the
    SB> notification is accurate and that I am authorized to act on behalf
    SB> of
    SB> the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
    SB>
    SB>
    SB> *Ventegus Anti Piracy GmbH*
    SB> *Steven Bergis*
    SB> *Am alten Wasserwerk 1*
    SB> *D-31135 Hildesheim*
    SB> *Germany*
    SB> *Phone +4915752005419
    SB> https://www.ventegus.com     <http://www.ventegus.com/>*
    SB> *steven.bergis@ventegus.com*<mailto:steven.bergis@ventegus.com>
    SB>
    SB>
    SB>
    SB> https://btdig.com/4b3766b99a202c7c65210ae30fdcf103e2681ee1/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/89a43ed916409937a342960f878fd115040f7fa9/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/1ad66ec6420e4939a764316815b86902a518692b/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/1778d00a252390985598347d41fdc968bd1192fb/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/c87e98266ad42c6fb2ee4e68d9f8cbf1e073a3b0/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/8a5e08130318166978b1067f3450fd4b5ecfadd6/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/0b6cc1529f4a1b9904c9f224bdb5f872d269ee15/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/0c9cb8c9e8a66cf779e61a5fa5f1372f12c6d6a2/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/08240c5e9076a69d881fe354c97b4ffbf7460607/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/bacfaf3f1a1bbb10332e51771c93c16a26e4d493/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/8caf4e51212af6e291c35c07343847c3a3d4831a/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/0b5630e78efd17dac969299e933874d83dfaa20e/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/3c6dc7a6bb46155b500ebbd5c671955783a07a7b/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/ba10f1f9107d3ef6a7c1ccdc96ba89839eb27b04/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/4a9c1e1574a9be11138b14d52c9634ad8d2d02f3/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/07d90f1c806464ef636fb4be975e4d462a927bdf/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/33ff39632ea1e46b6b72107e9f8be8fab10bf2ca/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/8e4cac82431344fcf1a6e4861f7082bd5cb633e1/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/eb026419975da80632797dccb5615aa3f091d4e1/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/d8dbe941e1051627ac4ffd245fbf168a1b4e8722/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/2e5b8839a873d9ee44bad82fe36fc2d28ee5a978/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/bc3ae3c7099e8c3c9c26e694e134995be25220e3/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/06054dcd21ab5d4793975c4887e4bf1ff91b48c4/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/5e106675538b9af18d9c6d3327be412f0eab004f/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/1263ba6ce6380f31fa94500ef852155f086e1212/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/440d8f1a85eb23b5c7241d4da2ba369cbbecf784/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/5a7fc7317e189e1fb7757bf2fccbf5803e770f3f/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/6ea4b3ca35741d8cfd030054da5cf454514a060e/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/5dc523efb2831ebdf220bcf354bafd2c592dc28c/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/3ee702d5f6e31a73c6daddc2070438292000cd06/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/4a99461b414db26caa9b244ce04d29de491f5b7f/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/61e6e8f3ad248fcc59ff9d02b1bf509b3643275a/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/73509f549d8284917b43e26d06f6308e8c9f6334/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/88024598edfdf6623e11bf691c8abc8205201cc3/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/9cfdf8785c88e84ba1edf0d54140370a815842b2/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/99825ca7efae6dce4a79b2fdf6148da298b61a1b/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/d864880dc810fe92f5e32db707483bd3eb00fdc3/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/fb77e23c88e5547a8e5a9f9868f5fede5ad385ab/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/816e85afa916b01247b9c67de2482dcb78f1505f/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/653900b97c45c368a90bd45c5f75a1fa634bc0f7/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/ca2d6db6a39a1aebbbdc866449337dceca0b80dd/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/d5a92fe48a33d172e250d92d2bce058346769cf1/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/485b4daac2f871b19824a2749db19f8ac45f1730/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/22bafd0037d4b66ffd021295e5086490b018edf3/amped-five
    SB> https://btdig.com/815c64575da93dbc36ab599766cd495377858d2a/amped-five
    
    =[0]====================
    Friday, March 26th, 2021
    11:10 am
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