Razerer92

There are people my height on this sub who told me that they felt more comfortable on the L, there was one however who told me that the Medium fits him better. It's frustrating to be right in between M and L and not know what to choose. I made this post about a year ago and look at the comments there were people saying they felt better on the Large. Recently, about 2 weeks ago i finally decided i was going to purchase the bike online, so i sent Tenways a mail asking them for advice on the sizing. They said I should pick the Medium...I'm beyond confused..

Most likely M for you. I'm 177cm/5'10 and i've no idea which size to choose between M and L for the CGO600 PRO, and i cant take it for a ride before buying because they have no shops here in my city. I'm leaning towards the M but i'm not sure..i heard conflicting answers from people with my height which makes me very confused.

Yep that was it, thanks. So any money that i make with cash dollars is automatically converted to real money?

Hi, i just joined a normal cash table, but it didn't ask me whether I wanted to buy in using the money I deposited or my virtual cash dollars. How can I use cash dollars to play at the table?

From the comments here, including myself, most people actually prefer the belt drive.

Right, but i get the feeling that the vast majority of people who own the belt drive, did not test the one with a chain at all, since it came out at a later date. So almost every answer here is based, no one wants to feel like they made the wrong choice and im trying to be as objective as possible, ive made research for months and compared both bikes a lot and i just cant see how the Pro is better than the Plus in any way. Yes, there are cool aspects with the Pro but i do feel the Plus offers more advantages.

I'll copy paste my answer from another similar thread:

My question is this: Why would anyone buy the PRO version of the CGO600 when you can buy the PLUS version which has a slightly more powerful motor (45NM on plus), (as opposed to 35nm on PRO). I also heard that the motor on the plus is slightly less noisy too. Also, the plus offers you 8 gears, and even if you live in a flat area, why wouldn't you want 8 gears as opposed to just 1 gear just in case you leave your local area and you encounter hills maybe even mountains? Maybe at some point you'll also move places and the terrain is not going to be flat all the time. Both bikes are the same price too.

Does anyone here believe that the PRO is a better choice than plus? If so, why? The maintenance-free thing doesn't sound like a big "plus" to me because it's not a big deal to oil up the chain every now and then, so I have yet to see a good reason why one should go for the PRO and not for the Plus. You get way more advantages with the Plus than with the Pro.

But there's not much maintanance to do on the chain..just oil it up every now and then and that's it. It's not a big deal. You have more advantages than disadvantages with the Plus.

My question is this: Why would anyone buy the PRO version of the CGO600 when you can buy the PLUS version which has a slightly more powerful motor (45NM on plus), (as opposed to 35nm on PRO). I also heard that the motor on the plus is slightly less noisy too. Also, the plus offers you 8 gears, and even if you live in a flat area, why wouldn't you want 8 gears as opposed to just 1 gear just in case you leave your local area and you encounter hills maybe even mountains? Maybe at some point you'll also move places and the terrain is not going to be flat all the time. Both bikes are the same price too.

Does anyone here believe that the PRO is a better choice than plus? If so, why? I have yet to see a good reason why one should go for the PRO and not for the Plus.

Ha. Thank you for letting me know about this, appreciate it! Just checked the website and you're right. I might buy the 'classic' PRO which apparently offers more assistance than the new PRO since it has a slightly more powerful motor.

edit: Nvm, actually according to the Tenways website the motor is the same on both. It's the Plus that has the slightly more powerful one. Now i'm not sure what to choose between old PRO and Plus. Would you say the assistance is more powerful on the Plus, the same, or worse? I would ride it mostly on flat roads, but i do want the one with better assistance, that's the point of buying an ebike after all. It does look like the Plus comes with a better motor but what if the PAS levels are f**** up like on the new PRO? and as a result it won't feel more powerful even though it is. Very hard to decide between them if i can't test ride them.

What if they actually aren't, and they're just saying this so that people continue buying their bikes? I refuse to believe they're so incompetent as a company to release a bike with this kind of an issue, and even if it wasn’t intentional, they should've addressed and fixed the issue much sooner. Remember, any serious (and even not so serious) company would make a ton of tests before releasing a bike. There's no way they didn't know about it.

I mean look at the top comment in this thread, someone said the following: "Bike shop employees themselves told me it's now limited to 23kmh instead of 25 on the 2025 cgo600 pro & cgo800s. Tenways told them it's working as expected".

So, again, i doubt they are working on a fix when in reality it's working as intended.

Did you try both sizes and L felt like the better fit for you? I'm still undecided between M and L, seems like i'm right in between them.

Which size did you end up going for? I'm 1.78cm tall and kind of in the same boat as you. Don't know what to choose between M and L.

The 2025 versions are now limited to 23kmh, not 25 but for some reason tenways doesn't communicate this.

Are you talking about the 2025 PRO or the Plus? Or both?

Thanks for the clarification, appreciate it. So in other words, the 2025 Plus is superior to any other CGO600 model in every way, right? (gears, rear light, better motor etc). I just hope that the 2025 Plus doesn't have the same issue as the 2025 Pro.

Unfortunately I can't test ride them in my area. But i am just confused about this aspect, you're saying it's a 10nm difference (in the favor of the Plus) but these guy say that the Plus feels less powerful, so what's up with that?

Thanks, very helpful. But i want to know, on assist level 3 how do the pro and plus compare? do you feel a stronger "push" on the plus since it has more NM or not?

But this is the part that makes no sense to me. The motor is slightly more powerful but the assist levels are "less powerful"? Then what's the point of making the motor more powerful? Sounds like a downgrade even though they make you think it's an upgrade.

Thanks for letting me now. Tenways AGO X it is then.

I wanted to order this bike. So if i end up ordering it, there's no way of knowing which model i'll receive?

What do you mean by the "newer" version though? Where can i read about it? I had no idea they changed their models. Did they do this without notifying people?

Great! It would be awesome if GG added this new feature in the near future. As a programmer myself, I'm pretty sure that this is not something that takes a long time to implement either, imo it's relatively easy, and it would improve the multi-tabling experience for many players.

Thanks for that.

My suggestion is for GG to improve the way Smart Focus interacts with hotkeys. My post already explains what the issue is, but in a nutshell:

When it's my turn to act on a table, that table should receive full focus (not just visual focus), so that I can use hotkeys without needing to move my mouse over every single table every single time it's my turn to act.

This would allow players who multi-table to fold or act quickly on multiple tables using only the keyboard, improving efficiency and overall gameplay comfort.

You said "what is improving to you could be bad for others". I disagree because ideally this could be added as an optional toggle in the settings, so players who prefer the current behavior can keep it as is. This way, everyone will be happy.

My suggestion isn't about 'mimicking another platform', it's about improving player experience for those who multi-table and want to rely on hotkeys. Why would this be a bad thing?

At the moment, Smart Focus and hotkeys don’t work together smoothly on gg, which makes multi-tabling feel frustrating and unintuitive.

In other words, why not make the experience better for all players if you can?

That explains the behavior, but it's a bit disappointing that ggpoker's Smart Focus isn't so smart and doesn't actually bring focus to the active table, which is needed for hotkeys to work properly. On PokerStars you can press a hotkey and fold across all tables without touching the mouse because the active table gets full focus when it's your turn. It's a more chill experience and the #1 reason i still play there and not on GGpoker.

Any chance this could be improved in the future? It would make multi-tabling a lot smoother for everyone.

Yeah the nose has to be on a certain part of the overlap.

Holy crap i just tried this and it worked!! But how was i supposed to know this if i didnt make this post lmao. So no player actually makes use of this feature, since everyone tiles up their tables for that clean look right? I got it to work for 4 tables but it looks.. unpleasant. The mouse ALWAYS has to be in a particular spot where ALL tables overlap each other, this is crazy. Why wouldnt GGpoker fix this?? I complained about the same issue 4-5 years ago, STILL nothing!! On PokerStars, this feature works flawlessly without the tables overlapping each other and without positioning the mouse in a particular spot.

What i dont understand is, if you play at 6 tables, your screen will look really messy if all tables overlap each other, no? Why can't it work properly with all tables being properly positioned like when you're tiling them up. Shouldn't they fix this? Also, do you keep your mouse in a particular area on the screen?

If there is no overlap it won’t work.

I didn't know this. I just tried this though and didn't work. Like i said, visually, the table where it's my turn does pop up, but i STILL have to move my mouse over that particular table in order to fold the hand using the hotkey on my keyboard. Are you sure you tried this using hotkeys?

I changed my mind and didn't buy it. But based on the research I made months ago, I think size M should fit you well.

Yep...it's not working. They did not bother to fix it. I stopped playing at GG because of this, I now only play on Stars where this feature has been working for years.

Scandinavian trip? Is it going to be uploaded to youtube? Been a month since you posted this but he still hasn't uploaded it.

Nice, thanks for the feedback, although, this makes no sense to me! Because what you and the other person in this thread are saying goes against what the manufacturer is saying, lol. On Tenways's website it says that size M is for people between 1.65 - 180m and size L is for people between 1.80 - 195m. So the medium should fit us better shouldn't it? Can't understand why the very manufacturer would lie about it, because at this point i can't say you're an exception either, i've heard from a couple people saying that the Large fit them better.

Hey, did the medium fit you well? I have the same dilemma, i'm between size M and L.

Exactly! So how can i make sure that the bike i'm receiving (if i am to buy it) is going to be the "easy to pedal" version, lol. One thing to keep in mind is that many of these people who make reviews are affiliated with Tenways, they get a certain percetange of each purchase when people use their promo codes, so it makes sense that they will make exaggerations about how easy and fun to pedal the bike is.

1. So based on your experience, can you tell me how easy it is to pedal in terms of percentages, compared to a non electric bike? So let's say a non electric bike the effort you have to put in is 100%. How much effort do you have to put in on each level of assist with this bike? Is it something like.. 80% first level, 60% second, 40% third or...? I'm just confused because it's a single speed bike so i've no idea. The fact that these people who make reviews tend to exaggerate and/or in some cases straight up lie to their own subscribers, makes it hard for me to make the decision to buy this bike, especially because where I live i can't test drive it and judging by their return policy, you can't return the bike once you've used it either.

2. You said that the range is not as advertised. What's the actual range on each level of assist based on your experience?

3. Do you recommend this bike as a city commuter?

Cool, let me ask you some questions.

1. How long have you had the bike for? Any problems with it so far?

2. What do you think about what this guy is saying here? He seems to be tired, he's gasping for air, he's going really slow and he's on level assist 2. Has your experience been the same? I just don't understand why some people seem to be flying with this thing, whereas others seem to struggle.

3. Do you find it easy to pedal on level assist 3? Or do you still have to put in some effort since the bike has a torque sensor? The reason i'm asking is because it's a single speed ebike so..ive never ridden anything like that before.

Huh. So there's people who are complaining about all sorts of problems with this ebike? From what ive seen, everyone says that the bike has premium components 🤔. Also, people who leave positive reviews saying they love the bike are also very likely to do so after just short period of buying and testing the bike, so we don't know if they encounter any problems later down the road.

I can't test ride one either. I mainly want to buy it because I love the minimalistic style, the fact that it only weights 16kg and that it has a torque sensor. This ebike is really interesting to me but I don't like the fact that it comes without a front suspension, and i'm not sure about the single speed belt drive either, never ridden one of those. Like i said in my post, i just can't tell if it's easy to pedal or not, and realizing that these reviews were more like ads, makes it hard to discern between what's true and what's an exaggeration.

I also believe that the bike is quite pricey, costing around 1800€. I wonder if I can find something better or just as interesting for the same price or maybe even lower.

Problem is, this 250W(max 500w) Bafang m400 motor that one of the ebikes im interested in has seems to be very old. I can't even find reviews on youtube with ebikes that have this model. The only thing i found was this, and if you look at the date, it was uploaded in 2016. It sounds pretty loud too. This is the bike, i can get it for about 1500$ in my area.

So it's the same motor but less heavy? lol. Thanks for the links.

Hi, i know i'm replying to an old comment of yours but i want to ask you something.

You said:

Taking this point a step further, you can actually program a Bafang torque sensor to behave exactly like a very sensitive and accurate cadence sensor if you want to for some reason, so long as you fully understand the settings made available in Bafang's programming software. This is true for their torque sensing mid drives as well as their torque sensing bottom bracket that is usable with their hub motors.

Can you explain how I can do this? My ebike has a hub motor but also a torque sensor, so can i actually make it so that the bike behaves like one with a cadence sensor when i want it to? This is the display and controller of my ebike if you're wondering.

Gotcha, thanks!

Thanks for the explanation! One more thing:

The benefit of a torque sensor, in my mind, it that instead of picking a relative cap on power the motor will be supplied via the mode, the system actually measures your input. If you are putting in very little effort, the controller sends very little electricity to the motor. If you begin pedals hard, the controller will send a lot of electricity to the motor, to help out. It is proportional to your effort.

So if you ride a bike that has a hub motor with a torque sensor, then you pretty much have to put in the same amount of effort as you would on a non electric bike, except this time your effort is being amplified by the motor x times depending on the level of assist, correct? Because that sounds like what i'm looking for. I do not want to ghost pedal, although I wouldn't mind ghost pedaling when i'm tired and want to get back home asap, lol.

Btw, can you actually ghost pedal on a bike with a torque sensor too? Like maybe if you use the highest level of assist and low gears?

Got a question for you, about your "pure cadence sensor bike". You said it's "designed for people who really want to pretend to pedal"

But you see, I don't really want to do that. I don't want to ghost pedal. Is there any way you can pedal the cadence sensored ebike without getting the feeling of 'ghost pedaling'? I want to get an ebike, but i do not want the 'motorcycle' feel where you just sit there and let it do all the work for you. I still want to feel like i'm pedaling, although, nothing too hardcore. Is it possible to do this on an ebike with a cadence sensor? For example, by using the lowest assistance level possible combined with the highest gear possible, would that do the trick if i dont want to ghost pedal? Would that make me feel like i'm riding a non electric bike?

Thanks for the explanation, but i don't necessarily see the ghost pedaling as a benefit. The thing is, i'm planning to buy my first ebike soon. I know that torque sensor ebikes are what you want if what you're after is a leg workout, but im interested in a few cadence sensored ebikes and want to ask: is there any way you can pedal the cadence sensored ebike without getting the feeling of 'ghost pedaling'? I want to get an ebike, but i do not want the 'motorcycle' feel where you just sit there and let it do all the work for you. I still want to feel like i'm pedaling, although, nothing too hardcore. Is it possible to do this on an ebike with a cadence sensor? For example, by using the lowest assistance level possible combined with the highest gear possible, would that do the trick if i dont want to ghost pedal?

Yep, that's what i meant. Thanks for the clarification. So in other words, a hub motor with a torque sensor would feel the same as a mid drive ebike, right?

Someone said that on a mid drive if you want to stop, you need to break slowly, downshift all the way to gear 1 from whatever gear you're in, and then stop. Also to never brake hard unless it's an emergency. Is this true? That would suck and would totally take the fun out of riding the bike. This would be annoying especially in cities where you have to stop often.

Someone said that on a mid drive if you want to stop, you need to break slowly, downshift all the way to gear 1 from whatever gear you're in, and then stop. Also to never brake hard unless it's an emergency. Is this true? That would suck and would totally take the fun out of riding the bike. This would be annoying especially in cities where you have to stop often.

Someone said that on a mid drive if you want to stop, you need to break slowly, downshift all the way to gear 1 from whatever gear you're in, and then stop. Also to never brake hard unless it's an emergency. Is this true? That would suck and would totally take the fun out of riding the bike. This would be annoying especially in cities where you have to stop often.

Hey brother i have one more question for you. If you put the Riverside 520 on level 1 of assistance and then you use the highest gear possible, do you feel like you are making effort pedaling the bike, similar to pedaling a normal bike? Does it still feel like you are "ghost pedaling"?

I want to buy an ebike which i can use to do a leg workout if i want to (so in this case, using assistance 1 and highest gear). But if i don't feel like making too much effort, then i just use level 3 and lower the gears. Hope my question makes sense :).

What about this ebike that i know of, which has a hub motor with a torque sensor. Bicycle or scooter?

Good to know, i wonder if this is the case with all mid drive motor ebikes or just with some of them, such as yours.

Theres an ebike I know that has a hub motor with a torque sensor. Do you think it behaves the same as an ebike with a mid drive motor?

Theres an ebike I know that has a hub motor with a torque sensor. Do you think it behaves the same as an ebike with a mid drive motor?

So you can actually ghost pedal a mid drive? Interesting. The thing is, i heard that you will actually reduce the battery's life if you're going to use the highest level often, is this true?

Gotcha, appreciate the response.

The ebike that im interested in has a mid drive motor and a torque sensor too. Ok so, what if you wanted to cruise at a nice speed but you're not in the mood to pedal too hard because you're tired or whatever? A cadence sensor ebike would do the trick but i'm not sure this is possible on a mid drive motor ebike with a torque sensor?

I would recommend an ebike that has a cadence sensor and a throttle, which means you hop on the bike and you can ride it for as long as the battery lasts, without having to pedal it at all.

Perfect, thank you for the detailed answer, just what i was looking for!

Hey man i have some questions about this Riverside 520e ebike, as i'm interested in buying it.

1. How much does the motor assist you on each level? Does it go straight to 25km/h on all levels as soon as you pedal or is it like.. level 1 = 10 km/h, level 2 = 15 km/h or something like that? do you know how much the motor assists you on each level?

2. Do you ever feel like you are "ghost pedaling"? Ive heard this complaint from some people with certain ebikes, I wonder if it's the same on this ebike. Do you have to actually use your leg muscles to pedal the bike forward or does the motor do everything for you and you just sit and chill like on a motorcycle?

3. Is the saddle comfortable?

I'm no expert either, as a matter of fact this may be my first e bike. Hey man i have some questions.

1. How much does the motor assist you on each level? Does it go straight to 25km/h on all levels as soon as you pedal or is it like.. level 1 = 10 km/h, level 2 = 15 km/h or something like that? do you know how much the motor assists you on each level?

2. Do you ever feel like you are "ghost pedaling"? Ive heard this complaint from some people with certain ebikes, I wonder if it's the same on this ebike. Do you have to actually use your leg muscles to pedal the bike forward or does the motor do everything for you and you just sit and chill like on a motorcycle?

Yeah torque sensor seems to be superior. But here's the deal. Early in the morning i don't mind getting a leg workout on my way to work. But on my way back home, i just want to get home asap without peddling too hard, actually i wouldnt mind the 'ghost pedaling' feel in that case. Is this possible on a torque sensor ebike? Or is that possible only on a cadence sensored ebike?

That's what i was thinking.

Thanks for the long answer, appreciate the feedback. Yeah, I heard mixed reviews about this bike. Some love it and say everything is fine, while others complain that it either came with some kind of a problem (such as yours), or something on the bike, such as the chain, broke within the first week of riding the bike. Which made me a little hesitant to buy it, because it feels like a gamble, I'm either lucky and won't have any issues with it, or i'm going to have to make some trips to the decathlon shop every now and then to have it repaired. But after making some research, i realized that there are mixed reviews for pretty much all e-bikes at this price range. After all, it's not that expensive, at least not when it comes to ebikes, but i can't really afford something more expensive either. The reason i want to buy it is because it seems like an overall well balanced ebike, good on flat as well as on hilly/mountainy areas, it also looks quite cool. Btw, is the saddle comfortable?

Hey OP, i'm interesting in buying the Rockrider E-ST 500 v3 from Decathlon, the one you have.

Some questions for you if you don't mind answering:

1. If the battery is charged to the max how many kms can you make on each assistance level on average? (i understand that there are several factors at play, your weight, weather conditions, the terrain etc). I'm asking because i live in a flat area, no hills no mountains and i wonder if i can do 100km with it on a single charge, perhaps on level 1 assistance level.

2. Can you also ride this bike without using the electric motor? Or is the bike too heavy for that therefore the motor always has to be in use?

3. Are you overall happy with this ebike? What do you like about it and what do you not like about it?

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Thanks!

I just figured out what the issue was. The reason the smart focus feature was not working was because hotkeys were enabled. As soon as I disabled hotkeys, smart focus started working as intended. The problem now is that for me, it's annoying to play without hotkeys. Can you guys fix it so that both hotkeys and smart focus work at the same time? On pokerstars, both features work at the same time without any issues, i don't understand why this isn't the case on a big site like ggpoker.

For example, i want to be able to fold my hand by just pressing a button on my keyboard without having to also move my mouse over that table. Smart focus helps with this. On pokerstars, i press the fold button on my keyboard to fold my hand on the table on the left, then, i just wait until smart focus pops up the table on the right and when it does i press the same button to fold my hand, without having to use the mouse at all (their feature is not called smart focus but it's the same thing). This doesn't work on ggpoker. Can you guys fix it?

I just figured out what the issue was. The reason the smart focus feature was not working was because hotkeys were enabled. As soon as I disabled hotkeys, smart focus started working as intended. The problem now is that for me, it's annoying to play without hotkeys. Can you guys fix it so that both hotkeys and smart focus work at the same time? On pokerstars, both features work at the same time without any issues, i don't understand why this isn't the case on a big site like ggpoker.

For example, i want to be able to fold my hand by just pressing a button on my keyboard without having to also move my mouse over that table. Smart focus helps with this. On pokerstars, i press the fold button on my keyboard to fold my hand on the table on the left, then, i just wait until smart focus pops up the table on the right and when it does i press the same button to fold my hand, without having to use the mouse at all (their feature is not called smart focus but it's the same thing). This doesn't work on ggpoker. Can you guys fix it?

Hi, no, i'm on windows 10. Also read my reply to the other mod for more info.

When you are playing more than one table at the same time( Multi-Table), Smart Focus automatically change the table whereby tables that require action will automatically be brought to the foreground.

I know this, but when i'm multi-tabling, Smart focus doesn't do anything, almost as if it was disabled. I need help to make it work.

Please be reminded that if you move the table by your action, Smart Focus won't change the table automatically, until you make an action on the moved table.

I just tested this now. The focus was on the table on the left and it was my turn to act on the table on the right, and smart focus did not pop up that table. It didn't do anything.

**Smart Focus Is not supported on Mac OS.

I'm on Windows 10.

I was thinking that there's usualy more fish on a 9 handed table than a 6 handed table (at least at the micro-stakes that im playing at) so as long as you play tight and wait for the right spots you can probably make more money in the long run. Like, more action doesn't mean more profit does it?

If im not mistaken, the "player profile" is supposed to be created for each player as soon as they've played 10 hands right? Ive played with the same people for hours and it doesn't show their stats. But every now and then a player I used to play with last year joins my table, and it does show their stats. What should I do?

I tried, but they said that their suppor team on vacation till 8th of January :(.