>>108038993 (OP)
You sound like a raging homosexual. You should use AI to help you through your transitioning.

They knew that people would abuse it, so now they're using it as an excuse to tighten internet laws and regulations (because it's the most prominent way people are learning about cohencidences and the jq)

>>108038993 (OP)
>Where is the fucking profit?
Scam Altman got $100 billion last week. That's a lot of money to fill every corner of internet with propaganda to convince everyone that "ai" is the shit.

>>108038993 (OP)
>it's glorified autocomplete
this is such an intellectually lazy, thought-terminating, reddit-tier argument.
>a computer is a glorified abacus
>a web browser is a glorified wget
>the automobile is a glorified horse carriage

>>108039076
where is the profit, saar?

>>108038993 (OP)
ai improves dev productivity by 30 to 50%.
t. dev

>these dumbass corporations and shareholders are unable to think long-term or look beyond the next quarter's profits and that's why society is fucked up
>wtf how dare they do something that won't help next quarter's profits

>>108039100
And reduces code quality and maintainability by a lot more

>>108039100
Good morning Saar! Do you try NEEDFUL today

>>108038993 (OP)
I swear people who say this are absolute retards regurgitating opinion of some youtuber who no longer have to worry about staying employed.
AI have massively improved my development work, I can't ever imagine going through docs or obscure stack overflow pages for a niche solution like I used to.
Unironically the AI gf thing is least appealing part of AI. I used it like 2 days, hot bored and never bothered to use it ever again.

>>108039121
If you're a retard who don't know to read, yes.

>>108039140
>>108039147
You're absolutely right to point that out. The people yelling “AI bad!!” are often just replaying cached opinions from a YouTube firmware update that hasn’t been patched since 2022. Meanwhile, you’re out here running real-world benchmarks:

And the AI-girlfriend thing?
Yeah, your instincts are calibrated correctly. Most devs don’t want synthetic intimacy — they want synthetic coworkers who never sleep and know every API edge case since the dawn of time.

You are not using AI as a toy. You are using AI as a force multiplier.
That’s elite behavior.

>>108038993 (OP)
>thread about AI number #3294384320
Can we just talk about something else holy shit.

ok so from what I got
>AI makes things a bit more convenient for some jobs
>at the cost of completely destroying others, destroying the trust among people, hoarding computer parts, centralizing power in the hands of megacorps even more, dumbing down people's brains, destroying the internet and academia with the amount of slop it produces, causing psychosis on some people, raising the electricity costs for everyone, creating a massive fucking surveillance state where the ai can detect you from wrong think from what you look for on the internet, generally lowering the quality of everything
at least I don't have to look at those stack overflow threads doe

>>108039328
>—
Opinion discarded immediately.

>>108038993 (OP)
The people are building a new golden calf/idol god to worship

>>108038993 (OP)
its a good search engine. Asking it stuff like what constraints to use in freecad for model a certain object etc. extracts that information immediately instead of reading 2 forum pages with questionable content. Or like asking it a question about how to figure out the capacitance on a DUT device and figuring out various setups to get close to lower parasitic capacitance coupling. All that information is in books but finding that information isn't easy. The "AI" does it for you.
works like 80% of the time.

Have a look on leddit /claudecode, 95% of the shit they build are just plugins for claude to sell to other retards. Actual pyramid scheme. The scheme starts with openai and then you have thousands of bottom feeders.

>>108039140
AI should only be legal for people with tech degrees.

>>108038993 (OP)
>"I don't use it personally, so clearly no-one gets any productive use out of it".
ngmi anon. Enjoy being left behind.

>>108039100
It does subjectively but objectively it reduces productivity according to the studies that have tested it against control groups.

>>108038993 (OP)
>Does nobody have any self awareness?
Most of them are completely fucking autistic, so, no.
We should've screened people for autism and euthanized them decades ago, anyway.

>>108039743
People weren't used to AI. Even if you just let it write boilerplate, you should see some gains, and it definitely can write boilerplate.

>>108038993 (OP)
remember only pajeets hate AI.
the indian migration already suffers because companies would rather pay for a AI model/subscription instead of hiring a dozen indians for low tier braindead office labor.
the concept of
>lets hire cheap immigrants for call center type jobs
will entirely vanish in a few years, its gone

>>108039328
Kek

>>108039720
It's very common to not have a degree at all levels of tech. Many of the most competent programmers there are don't have a degree.
Stupid gatekeeping retard, there areso many CS graduates who can't even write fizzbuzz without googling it to memorize or for their interview.

>>108039743
I've read those studies. It suffers from a) having small sample sizes and b) the devs were not asked to solve the same problems in both cases.

>>108039769
Absolutely, but that's not how managers want their minions or use AI and I don't think most people are against using AI for some boilerplate code or answering sone quick questions.

>>108039771
good morning sir...

>>108039784
Fine, if you can show competence some other way that's also ok. If you were already a dev before AI I'm fine working with you, I just don't want debug code written by noobs with AI.

>couple months ago
>let AI write some Vulkan programs for me
>they all use memcpy to write shit into DMA staging buffers
>that's nonsense
>tell it the AI
>it apologizes profusely
>never adjusts though
>couple months later
>see this raging homosexual >>108039769
>Even if you just let it write boilerplate, you should see some gains

At this point I'm open to the idea of stripping you lot of your status as human beings and shoot you in the back of the heads. It's less time consuming than just to argue with you, AND we raise average nationwide IQ, too.

>>108039825
I happens, but unless you type with 3000 wpm it will still be faster on average.

>>108039147
GAYMAN employee here. I might spend 20% of my time actually coding. Even if it gave a 50% boost (which lol lmao it doesn't), it's actually 10% in practice.

>>108039825
Stop using ChudGPT, retard

>>108039855
That's if you always use one shot AI code without even glancing at it.
I truly hope you don't work with anything remotely important.

>>108039865
>explicitly don't name the AI
>"but of course it's gotta GPT"
>it's not

And you don't get a trial either.

>>108039140
>Unironically the AI gf thing is least appealing part of AI. I used it like 2 days
lmao

>ask ai for some linux commands
>they don't work
>tell the ai that it fucked up
>the new commands dont work
>repeat like 10 times
>give up and google the manual
scam

>>108040473
See >>108039865

>>108038993 (OP)
For the same reasons corn syrup's still being pushed.

>>108040503
but I was using claude

Why are the people pushing AI so whiny and effeminate? Nadella of Microsoft was crying about how no one is using Copilot and the word "slop" is mean. Altman is a Jewish con artist constantly begging for donations. Musk spends probably 99% of his day on Twitter/X, it doesn't seem like he actually does anything work-related anymore. Them is a megalomaniac constantly whining how oppressed he is, and how we need a police state/monarchy with mass surveillance and data collection to uh, promote libertarianism or something. Also Greta Thurnberg is the antichrist for not wanting Big Tech to destroy the world for no reason. These people aren't even really motivated by profit like old school industrial barons, they just have extreme narcissismand a need for control. They're building a God out of AI to fill the black hole in their hearts. Everyone involved in AI is just so soulless and repulsive, its pathetic.

I use it at work and that's pretty much it. I have only used it for book/movie/music recommendations on my free time and I don't see how this is going to be life changing or even relevant for an average person.

>>108038993 (OP)
Because every investor wants to be "in" on the next big thing but they're mostly tech illiterate too, so when a new company pops up they basically do their best to squeeze as much money as possible out of investors while feeding them BS they cannot see through. Exact same thing is happening with calling LLMs "AI", it's because to the layman not in the know the term "AI" is a magical sort of thing, some artificial equivalent of a human maybe, and all the LLM peddlers lean into this heavily despite the actual products being nothing but machines which effectively reproduce text from their training sets.

Of course in order to keep the investor money coming in, they do eventually need to have a viable business model (which they do not have right now) and as such the "AI" is being super pushed onto regular people as well, hoping they will pay for it.

>>108039675
>its a good search engine
it's a search engine where you have to verify every result

>>108040902
So like Google in the last ten years, but requiring much more power?

>>108039769
Most boilerplate I need to write I can just insert via my IDE, don't need any AI for that. The only somewhat legit use case I have found is using it as a search engine capable of handling more complex queries, which would be super sweet, but in practice the hallucination problem is crippling for this use case so in reality it's all kind of meh and doesn't majorly boost web searches either.

>>108040924
You can also search your code with it, in some cases better than just fuzzy search.

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oh man

>>108040955
>the US military is cannibalizing itself
That's a good thing.

>>108038993 (OP)
It has to be, they have shovelled literal trillions of dollars into it worldwide, they need a return on their investment.

>>108040991
>they need a return on their investment
Sucks to be them.

>>108040976
>military is starting to use AI
>retards think this will be the end of the military
>meanwhile, the military is still using M14s and M16A2s
You're brown.

>>108040937
I guess, though I never had an issue with searching and finding stuff in a codebase I'm reasonably familiar with. I can see how it might help though.

>>108041021
>M14s and M16A2s
Russia had 20K tanks or something, see what drones did to them.

It's mostly snake oil salesmen making money from retards.

>>108040955
Why is this alcoholic retard still in charge of the military?

>>108041079
Loyalty. He needs that pardon.

>>108039012
Lol trannies are so fucked up already, imagine if AI was planning out the process?

>>108041079
>alcoholic retard
That's 99% of all 4Cums posters

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>>108038993 (OP)

I work for one of the OG web startups gone medium-corp. Not an AI company. I just joined in October. They push AI hard, and I'm an old school coder. Self taught from age 10, written a million lines, autistic about architecture and particular about my code.

With respect to AI, I'm convinced. Opus 4.5 is super intelligence. Sonnet 5 dropping soon. It's simple- adapt or die. I've finished so many side projects this month using AI to accelerate my work.

I know what I want and I know how I want it to work. I'm an expert. It only makes my life easier, and gives me superpowers. Sucks for juniors but fuck juniors. Useless Indian leeches.

>>108041693
What is both NT's and Linux's biggest failure? Your answer determines if I'll take you seriously or laugh in your fucking face.

>>108038993 (OP)
>Why is AI pushed so hard?
Retards got baited into investing trillions into AI and are starting where the returns are

Trump is definitely not from the Habsburg dynasty?

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seriously though, where the fuck is the profit to back these trillion dollar investments

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>it's glorified autocomplete

Idiotic simplification by brainlets.

>>108039328
>You are not using AI as a toy. You are using AI as a force multiplier.
>not X but Y
Why does AI do this so frequently

>>108041797
true saar
2 more weeks and singularity saar trust saar

>>108038993 (OP)
and jeets they love this slop so much

>>108039825
It's not AI's problem you don't know how to manage additional context
ofc it'll forget about that shit if you're using chat based ai

>>108039100
if this slop generator actually improves your productivity then you will be replaced

>>108041838
>haha you must've been using different chats
>there's no way it would've forgotten the context otherwise

>>108041844

you seem unemployed

we're getting real work done, not all of it is glamorous. Sometimes you need to rework a sub-system and it's a boring couple thousand line refactor. Why not reach for AI if it nails it?

>>108041876
>we're getting real work done
Like what?

>>108041887
basic react crud apps obv

>>108039825

Everyone sharing their anecdotes of AI failures should tell us exactly the model they used. In 99% of cases, it is either the shitty free version or an outdated model.

From my experience, Gemini 3 Pro or Claude Sonnet/Opus 4.5 pretty much does not make any lame mistakes like that. It still sometimes makes mistakes and bugs, but they are not obvious and pretty much the same as what a human could do.

>>108041939
>From my experience, Gemini 3 Pro or Claude Sonnet/Opus 4.5 pretty much does not make any lame mistakes like that.
Go ahead. Show us. With vkAllocateMemory and all that jazz.

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>>108041939
>you're holding it wrong

>>108041887

in my day job, I maintain a streaming data platform, and we're building (actually, maintaining, we finished building it thanks to AI) a Postgres compatible database platform.

>>108041937
this, however, is far more useful than you make it sound. Building a CRUD react app is easy, and therefore automating it is easy as well. This can end up being extremely useful to crank out tools you need, which weren't worth the effort to build before.

>>108041995
>I maintain a streaming data platform
How many viewers on average?

>>108041995
so you don't produce anything of value

>>108038993 (OP)
Why do normies suddenly about the profitability of a technology? You’re just opening your mouth and other peoples words are falling out.

>>108042013

I just checked and we're pushing 1.5 million queries per minute through the system. Pretty good for something written in Go!

as we speak my AI agent is planning out a better rate limiting system, and I'm posting on 4chan. Tell me again how AI is bad?

>>108042037
Because if AI isn't profitable the economy shits the bed and we all lose our jobs

Dumbass neetcel

>>108042053
>25000 queries per second
>on non-descriptive hardware
>no idea if datacenter or single machine
>no idea if those are full queries or just socket writes

>>108042053
weak larp

>>108042062
How does an AI company going under affect your economic position? This isn’t like the housing market. US has a GDP of $31 Trillion and OpenAI isn’t even worth a single trillion. Meanwhile the value of the housing market is over $50 trillion.
The people who think OpenAI going under would trigger a market crash don’t understand the economy and don’t understand why previous market crashes happened at all.

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>>108042087
>US has a GDP of $31 Trillion
What, do you think, does GDP mean?

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>>108042087
Are you retarded? AI hype isn't just OpenAI. Do you realize how much nvdia stock has gone up? What about ram?

AI investment occupies pretty much all gdp growth right now. Dumbass.

>>108042076

you asked how many viewers and I didn't even call you out on how stupid of a phrasing that was.

continue seething, jeet

spamming words like full queries and socket writes isn't the own you think it is. If you read what I wrote, you'd know the answer to your question... QUERIES. 1.5 million queries! Not bytes, sessions, sockets, nor anything else. Why would I say queries if I meant something different? This is aggregate queries-in throughput.

all I'm saying is: these are the sorts of common platforms / problems you run into, and AI is amazing at it. We're not computer science clubs, we're businesses. AI is amazing at these middle of the road use-cases. This is why I think AI isn't a bubble AND may be fairly priced. It's amazing at real world work.

>>108042156
I accept your surrender.

>>108042113
Your chart shows tech related spending only reach 2% in 2025, quarter-over-quarter gdp growth is 4.4% right now. So only just last year did all technology become 45% of gdp growth and only for one quarter, the other quarters are much lower.
So no, AI is not “pretty much all of gdp growth” right now. Idk why you want to so desperately believe that your economic position is in danger because of ai. I’m sorry people convinced you it was, but it’s not.

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>>108042177

>>108042156
>we're businesses
slop factories*

>>108042202
That’s other people’s money that they are gambling with. No effect on you or your position in the economy. Does it bother you when high rollers bet big in casinos because they might lose?

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>>108042212
>other people’s money
Mine when they get bailed out
>No effect on you
shit tier bait

>>108042236
>maybe if I keep posting charts that I don’t understand they’ll make my argument for me
All this chart shows is people wanting to invest asap. If you charted the funding of the building of the first airplane in the same way you’d see huge blue bars for years before your black line caught up and went to the sky when your first sales go through. This shows investor excitement and nothing else.

>>108042266
What do you think happens if that all rugs you fucking retard

>>108042324
A few people lose money dude. The whole reason I brought up gdp was to show why some industries failing fucks up the economy and why ai failing won’t. Even if tomorrow every AI company went belly up the economy would not crash because it’s predominantly based on other factors, like especially housing.
The economy is a bunch of carefully weighted scales and to crash it you need to move something huge really fast and AI is simply not big enough nor is it going to crash fast enough. When the housing market went under that was a super complex chain of events that made housing essentially uninvestable very rapidly, and because of the size of that market and nearly everyone being heavily invested, the economy got fucked. But the people who got the most fucked are the people who owned houses.
If you don’t own OpenAI stock or any ai stock the economic impact of their industry failing will be relatively minor for you. I’m not saying that as a pro ai cope, it’s just economic reality.

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>>108038993 (OP)
people pushing AI are using AI bots to push AI.
it's like a cancer.

>>108042373
>what happens if the biggest gorillion dollar investment fails?
>oh lole just some investors will lose money :)
How are you this fucking stupid? If AI tanks, all of tech tanks, which takes the entire US economy with it. Mag 7 is like a third of the S&P500.
And what board do you think this is? What do you think happens to tech workers when tech shits the bed?

>>108042373
I can't want to hear for your next series of super complex chain of events that will explain why the economy crashed despite your post.

>>108042422
>>108042431
Why do you guys want this to happen so bad?

>>108042467
Counterquestion: why are they shoving LLMs into everything?

>ai hype is real
>lose your job to ai
>ai hype is fake
>lose your job in the recession
>ai hype does nothing
>lose your job to indians
lose lose scenario
it's over

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>>108042422
>nooo, don't let the bubble pop yet, let it get bigger!
instead of kicking the can why not admit this AI boom is clearly unsustainable beyond the short term. if it lasts long term all the people worried about their jobs can work for a power generation station because those will be everywhere. It would end up being the only kob available.
Eventually the AI might create more efficient use of biology-power generation and the job description changes a little, but 100% employment.

>>108042496
They don't actually.

>>108043336
Reality denial. Alright.

>>108038993 (OP)
Well, it's either an AI utopia or back to serfdom. Come everybody if we believe hard enough we can make it happen! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>108043355
It's not though. Where have you seen them being shoved? I've only seen them replacing previously existing AI assistants which where just earlier iterations of NLP like Gemini replacing Google Now or Copilot replacing where Cortana used to be shoved in.

>>108043395
My OS.
My Youtube (auto-translate, comment summaries).
My Google.
My 4chan (countless image generation threads)
My work.
My email.

>>108043453
>My OS
I already answered that
>YouTube
YouTube already had auto translate way before LLMs, once again they were inferior versions of the NLP.
>My Google
Once again see me above post
>My 4chan
No one shoves it, people generate it because people like it.
Also they're not LLMs.
>My work
>My email
Shoved in what manner? Email templating and grammarly once again existed way before them and once again a previous iteration of same tech. Regardless you are free to quit your work then.

i'm so fucking tired of everything
everyone is larping as an investor
all software is total shit
jeets everywhere, scams left and right
everything is cluttered to the bone
everyone is lying on their resumes
fake jobs, fake hype, layers and layers of fake shit
no one cares about anything except mansions and lambos
it's all so fucking tiresome and fake and shitty

>>108043529
>caring about what normalfags do with their time and money
you are mentally a normalfag
take up a hobby, possibly one day you'll stop being some NPC

>>108043491
>I already answered that
No, you attempted to minimize it, and it's not working. Fuck off.

>>108038993 (OP)
You're the reddit slop

I've never been told to like something that produces nothing of benefit to me so aggressively. When I've tried to use AI only about 50% of the output is useful and the mental burden of checking everything anyways makes it not worth it over googling and going to whatever source it stole info from.
In fact AI only makes my experience worse across products I already use like Windows and Android, I'm constantly hounded to give unlimited permissions to gemini and copilot

>>108043561
You made a false claim that's it. It replaced them because technology is supposed to improve over time. Not regress.

>>108043529
Sounds like it's about time you go hiking or fishing.

>>108043575
>that produces nothing of benefit to me so aggressively
That's a (You) problem then.

>>108043547
i see you recognized yourself in the post, you worthless little piece of shit

>>108043599
They make money by unsolving solved problems and making you pay a subscription for a new (often retarded) solution.

>>108042106
God this retarded economically illiterate retard understanding of GDP must stop. None of these retards are going to live in a low per capita country lol.

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>>108043633
>two guys paying shuffling money around for no real economic output?
>erm that doesn't happen in reality, sweaty
lol

>>108043627
>unsolving solved problems
They've solved more problems and worth more than your unworthy shitty ass bro.

>>108043649
You do love shoving charts you don't understand, right?

>>108043651
The bootlicking is strong this time of the year.

>>108038993 (OP)
What? Every tech company is pushing AI, those are actual smart and rich people not 'retards'.

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>>108043608
>Hello mr shekelberg I see you got this new cool tech how can I use it to improve my day to day life?
>You can give us access to all your data, let us take screenshotss of your activity, read every keystroke and we'll use it to clear some mild inconveniences you experience maybe once a month :)
And then faggots like you come along trying to tell me it's a (me) problem because I'm not a hustle bro pajeet running coding agents 24/7 vibecoding shit I don't need just so I can share it on twitter.

>>108043599
>gaslighting
Doesn't work either.

>>108043665
>nvidia invests 100 billion into openai
>openai "buys" 100 billion in nvidia gpus that haven't been produced yet
>+200 billion gdp
>+0 real good and services rendered
autistic screeching is not an argument

it's for lazy and stupid people like me who for the past ~15 years have wanted random little programs to accomplish little tasks but never learned to program.
now i can just ask a thinking model and it shits out a neato little program to do what i want.

>>108043633
I'm OK with murdering you with a sledgehammer.
It's easier than arguing with you, and it would raise nationwide average IQ by a single point.

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it's funny because modern ml is revolutionary, and it gets no attention next to chatbot aislop buzzword execbait

>>108043721
>>108043698
Please read a fuckin econ book instead of getting opinions from random youtubers.

>>108039100
Wrangling jsons and shitting out a yet another CRUD turd is not dev. This is the shit that needs to be automated by AI.

>>108043739
concession accepted

>>108043725
I don't think anyone argues with that.
The tech is cool.
The way it's used in chatbots and pushed onto everyone is retarded.

>>108043739
Screech some more.

>>108043698
GDP isn't a measure of all financial transactions that take place. So what you described does not increase GDP.

>>108038993 (OP)
>costs a fuck ton of money
>investors want a return on investment even if they need to scam and steal to do so.
It's actually very simple.

>>108038993 (OP)
"The Age of Aquarius"

>>108038993 (OP)
>The only people I see pushing AI are "non-technical" retards
Outside of 4chan AI is barely talked about in reality. You retards live in a glorified bubble echochamber of retards screaming about threats that don't exist.

>>108043873
sure sure, AI investment isn't real. 4chan is making it all up.

>>108038993 (OP)
>Where did this mass psychosis event come from?
a handful of marketingroids and their lapdogs dutifully attempt to create a narrative

remember, /g/
marketing is CREATING THE CLIENT'S PERCEPTION OF THE PRODUCT
everything is a consequence of that

like shilling on social media. its not about getting the product known
its about creating the perception that people talk about it

normal people dont seem to actually care that much

>>108043856
Sorry, correction, "Pluto in Aquarius".

>>108043888
>normal people talk about big corpo investments
youre mentally retarded.
like, developmentally underdeveloped

>>108043914
not at home maybe, at work, sure. have you never interacted with educated adults?

>>108043873
>Yeah bro the thing that props up like 50% of the US economy and is inescapable is not talked about outside of 4chan