There is a new short domain name for #PuTTY!
At present, this is just a "landing page": a nice short name to remember, which will redirect you to the full PuTTY website at the same longer URL where it's always been.
But unlike putty.org or other third-party landing pages, this one is run by us, the actual PuTTY team, and it doesn't have a weird separate agenda of its own.
I intend to move the main PuTTY site over to that domain in the future, and leave just a redirector at the old location. But first I want to get the word out, so that people know which site to trust.
If anyone is still linking to putty.org, here's a place to link to instead. Please spread the word!
@simontatham oh, hey! thanks for the heads up! sorry it came to this, but hopefully it helps
@simontatham@hachyderm.io
I feel like I've been using PuTTY for two decades, now. The new URL would feel weird, but I've been using PuTTY-CAC for most of a decade, now.
I know that you have had a lot of suggestions, over the years and recently. software. is a fair enough choice, and is definitely on-point.
On balance, I am glad that you resisted the lure of putty.party. .
(-:
That runs counter to what the FAQ says: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#faq-putty-org
How certain can we be certain that this is not another attempt at tricking people?
Uhm… Nevermind this. I just realized who I’m talking to.
@DevWouter @schmidt_fu for extra verification, there's a news item on the front page of the current main PuTTY website acknowledging that putty.software is ours.
I totally understand people being distrustful, given things that have already happened!
Maybe it would be useful to also mention the new domain in the FAQ - A.9.1-A.9.3? The answers seem to be confusing to some people on Hacker News, at least :-)
@asjo @DevWouter @schmidt_fu yes, I've just been editing the FAQ this morning. The revised version should go up tonight, as part of the build that also bakes a copy of it into a signed PuTTY help file.
(I was thinking that it might be part of a larger process to update, but then again, it looks like a pretty plain webpage ;-))
@simontatham Every time I have had to leave the warm and comfortable embrace of unix like OSs, the first thing I do is install putty.
The .software tld is a garbage tld and takes away credibility.
@kajer you're the first person to suggest that to me – nobody mentioned it in the previous thread, when possible domains were discussed.
any domain that is a glamour domain like .xyz .software .quirky is always a red flag for me. May as well be .zip
No incentive to include a comport dropdown list eh?
One could also ask why this red flag is not seen for the exchange. "glamour domain". Or for io. and nu. for that matter.
In reality, this lopsided mental model has its roots in ICANN digging its heels in during the 1990s. The fact that ICANN dug its heels in back then is reflective of the idea that many people do not share the idea that ccTLDs and gTLDs are somehow more credible than anything else, especially as we've watched many of the antics played with them over the decades, giving lie to that notion.
Hell, we only have uk. itself because the United Kingdom academic community domain-squatted in 1985. (-:
@kajer @simontatham i think the putty dev team wouldn't mind if you give them a better domain for free
@simontatham Putty is love. Thank you <3
@simontatham Indeed, very necessary move Sorry you had to go through this stress!
@simontatham I'd miss the slash-tilde though. You don't see them on the road too often these days.
@andersgo @simontatham We can have our cake and eat it too: https://putty.software/~sgtatham/putty/
@simontatham Well done! And thanks for PuTTY!
Will you celebrate the new domain with a 1.0 release?
I've mostly eliminated (directly using) Windows from my computing life. But if you find yourself there, PuTTY is one of the best pieces of software for the platform.
@snarfmason same here, PuTTY got me through using windows many years ago, and it is still my first recommendation for windows users that need a way to interact using a remote terminal.
@snarfmason Even on Debian with OpenSSH installed, adding putty has its uses - it can connect to older ssh servers that still use dsa host keys, for example. OpenSSH disabled the algorithm.
@wonka oh neat! I didn't even know putty was available on Debian.
I've commented for like a decade that it doesn't matter where the Putty web site is, it was the most reliable Google search in the world that searching for "putty" would lead to pages of hits that would get you there (and if you ever wanted to search for putty as a form of cement, you were out of luck).
But Google is bad now so this is good.
@richpuchalsky someone sent me a screenshot just recently showing the chiark web site above putty.org in the Google search results. Apparently putty.org's "pivot to antivax" stunt burned a lot of its ill-gotten pagerank.
If you search in various ways for "putty wiki" it's wiki's preferred meaning of putty as well. The stuff that people use to fix window panes is relegated to a disambiguation page.
@simontatham Made me want to check if my local version had been claimed, and yes of course, also a squatter but they seem quite well-behaved with a direct link and no faff except a fake logo and two unobtrusive links to their own commercial shit. But I do use an adblocker so maybe it's worse without. No need to promote them with a clickable link, so: putty dot nl.
Thanks for the great work you all have done on this project over the years!
@simontatham NCSC have for some reason blocked it on GovWifi, which seems like an overreaction!
@durandal how strange!
Perhaps just because it's a brand new domain and their blocking system is automatically suspicious of new things?
@durandal or perhaps because PuTTY landing pages are now considered suspicious after putty.org went rogue, so a new one is automatically suspect?
The real PuTTY website at chiark has a news item on the front page linking to putty.software and confirming that it's really ours. So if you need to raise an unblocking request with anyone, that might be a way to convince them that this isn't another putty.org, without them having to trust the text saying so on putty.software _itself_.
@simontatham @durandal
You could also link to putty.software from your profile here (and link back with a rel=me) to verify it some more.
@simontatham Thanks for finally getting a more officially-looking domain.
Let's hope the .org drops from Google cache soon, now that the owner has started pushing antivax bullshit on it...
Amazing how you kept this project going all that time! Even dealing with the horror of msi packaging.
The only terminal program I use on Windows for a long time.
@simontatham This is an excellent start, though y'all somehow you forgot the cookie warning, news letter popup and the "please disable your adblocker" messages though
@simontatham Looks great!
@simontatham I wanted to thank you for building and maintaining this tool over so many years. Your tool was someone I learned on.
@simontatham Ok but wtf is going on at https://putty.org XD
@30p87 the domain-squatter there decided he just wasn't being annoying enough, and raised his game.
@simontatham @30p87 Wow, what a piece of shit.
At least this will likely obliterate his pageranking and overall reach.
What an asshole
@simontatham @Purple @30p87 sadly at least for me .org is still ranked higher when searching for "PuTTY"
Putty dug me out of many holes over the years. Thanks for creating and maintaining it.
@simontatham thank you for doing that, sucks what happened with .org :(
@simontatham is anything gonna happen to https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ ? that URL has been engraved in my brain ever since I was a teen
@domi I'm certainly not planning to break it!
The current URL exists all over the place – in particular, it's baked into every current release of PuTTY itself. So it's really important that people going to that URL will still end up somewhere useful.
Most likely it'll end up as a 301 redirect to the new site, once the move has happened.
@simontatham Do you want me to change the Debian packaging metadata (that shows up on e.g. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/putty) to point here?
@cjwatson good question! Definitely once the whole site moves that will be a good idea. I'm not sure whether it's best to do it before then.
@simontatham OK, you know where to find me if I don't seem to notice :)
@simontatham I'll check my links.
It's a very old page and probably has the original link.
@simontatham Hi Simon.
I'd just like to say thank-you for creating and maintaining putty for all these years! It undoubtedly makes the world a slightly better place for anyone on windows with need of a ssh connection or serial line or otherwise.
many thanks!
@simontatham oh Jesus, I didn't realize the Bitvise people are peddling anti-vax bullshit on .org
@kevin @simontatham whoah, that's not how I remembered that page
@kevin @simontatham and I liked their SSH server for Windows pre-10 ...
@simontatham I have https://putty.cl that redirects to the official page (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/)