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Quality indicator headers[edit source]

We newGODs ah le good and le based "furry sisas"

Anyone else feel like a lot of them need to be nvked off the wiki? Most of them are just

Exceptions to the first point:

Tranzanite can also go since it's just an oppositefagged version of Tanzanite and there were already templates for lies (Template:Hoax and Template:Bullshit) that existed for over a year before Tranzanite was made (by a user that apparently did something bad enough to get xhis username hidden from edits) GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 00:18, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

marge why is everything greentext?

anyways, rust is a coal template that nophono actually uses. vantablack and dust are iron because they add a bit of nuance.

antimatter MIGHT also be needed, but only for real 'p and pedophilia, mayyyyyybe BMT or loli 'p.

vantapurple is funny but idk if it's needed

vantawhite, supernova, singularity? yeah those have very little reason to exist; they're all just needlessly topaz versions of partysaving or partykilling.

thank you for coming to my ted talk Antimatter (talk) 01:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

>marge why is everything greentext?

greentext lists are imageboard culture doebeit. as for vantapurple, i don't think it counts as a quality template as it's mainly used for completely wack pages but at the same time it'd be a little weird having it as the only vantacolor template left. it'd likely work with a rebrand if vantawhite/gray/black get axed. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 03:49, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

I was previously indecisive but have made a decision. Keep the topic quality templates. Anyone who seethes at them deserves to seethe at them. --SprokemowerMan ● Talk Page 22:12, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

They are what give this wiki soul. OopooPoopoo (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

I think this has to happen. I'm sure you've seen the effect that the entire culture around topic qualities has caused on /soy/, with people importing their opinions directly from a .png on the wiki without actually considering what the article says. I knew this would be extremely controversial but I think it will have a positive effect on the wiki and the Sharty as a whole. They serve zero purpose on articles that aren't controversial other than repeating what's said in the body, and on controversial articles, they're even more useless because they change every few days. I know I'm destroying a part of wiki culture that has been here since basically its creation though. There are certain editors on the wiki who don't do anything but switch templates around all day.

I'd like to leave topic qualities in the small 2025 and enter the dark winter of the new normal where people can't just slap a sticker with their opinion on the top of the page, and are instead forced to edit and argue their viewpoint within the article itself. Cobblestone (talk) 23:07, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

here's an example for how I think this change will be good: after I remove these templates, someone would usually go to the article on me (Cobblestone) to change the grading to brim or something because they heavily disagree with this change, but template qualities won't exist anymore, so where previously they would've just changed the quality and left with zero additional input or contribution to the page or wiki at large, they'll be forced to write and edit the page to document this event and use it to prove that I'm a brimmy admin, and that's exactly what I want to happen. Cobblestone (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Alright, I get what you are saying and I agree with you. OopooPoopoo (talk) 23:18, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

The main issue that i see is that topic quality headers have been around for so long that removing them will be like making mario purple, they're so engrained in this wiki that it's basically routine for editors to use them to get a point across.

Another issue that i don't see people talking about is that NEGATIVE topic quality headers are very rarely opinion-based. You can't convince me that according to The Experts™️ CSAM is actually an equinox and not objective antimatter because ">you get to make your own heccin opinion". It doesn't work like that.

It's an interesting debate. - Goopz 05:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

If you need a template to know that CSAM is very bad then that's a you problem. And besides, topic quality headers are going to be kept, just the ones that actually matter (gem for good articles, coal for bad articles that need improvement, and maybe gemerald for featured articles if we ever get a template for those) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gigachad (talk • contribs)

>If you need a template to know that CSAM is very bad then that's a you problem

I'd try arguing against this but i'd lose because there's crayon-eating newfags that actually think like this. I'm mostly against deleting the negative topic headers and am leaning towards the more positive topic headers being removed.

Issue is, there's this little thing known as the "Wikingtog effect" saying that people will gravitate more towards negative subject matter as it generates more reaction within the soysphere. Without gemmy-topic templates to balance it out and correct feeble newfags' minds, nusois will get banned for giga-unquoting "I goon to 'p" on the sharty. In a bid for attention.

TLDR: nusois will gravitate towards things if it has flashy text & gives reactions. It sounds absurd, but trust me, i've seen it happen before.

- Goopz 05:57, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Template:LawAlert already exists; maybe it could be tweaked for things that are illegal instead of actions. And nothing says that we can't tweak templates with actually useful and pertinent information to be more attention grabbing.

>nusois will get banned for giga-unquoting "I goon to 'p" on the sharty

Obsessive Gigaquoting Disorder already existed. And anyone retarded enough to actually post that would probably not end up as a quality poster/editor in the first place as they'd be filtered by rule 2.

Do you understand how easy it is to ban-evade on the soysphere? I bet that if you were to hypothetically take every 'ki editor and managed to magically look at ALL of their past ip's notes that you'd be seeing permabans left and right.

It's not rocket science, no system is perfect. So either have no topic-quality headers at all and let natural selection do the job, or let people have their opinions manipulated by a fancy sticker saying that ">thing is le good". It's a hard choice to make. - Goopz 06:23, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Or we could take a third option and just use a variant of Template:LawAlert instead of incomprehensible wingdings gibberish to mark articles about illegal topics GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 00:12, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

At the very least, only allow quality indicators on common gemerald Soyjak variants with no controversy (Soyak, Gapejak, Feraljak, etc.) FeraljakDeliverZa (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

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..Short[edit source]

I'll rename all of these ...Short templates to ...Topic later, but it'll brap up the recent changes queue Cobblestone (talk) 00:45, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

>but it'll brap up the recent changes queue ev&doe you flood the recent changes log every few days with mass text replacement anyways

Archive deleted templates here?[edit source]

I was thinking it would be a good addition for the gemerald article this will be, but it takes some effort and I don't know exactly how much the utility is

Add this to the sitenotice at the top of the page[edit source]

We had this for the previous template question. Since this one is picking up traction from both several editors and the wiki owner I think this deserves to be up there. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 03:55, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

Singularity[edit source]

I don't think I'll delete singularity/supernova because:

• They're now used in soyspeak, sometimes
• They have a usecase, killedtheparty is for stuff that actually happened and singularity is for hypotheticals like the shutdown of the sharty.
• They're restricted to approvers and above. Cobblestone (talk) 13:43, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

So should they be moved to iron? Antimatter (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

Maybe Cobblestone (talk) 14:47, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

hi[edit source]

Creator of Chaotic Equinox here, I'll admit the template is pretty useless. I didn't even think of using the controversial template, which is genius. Also i didnt even make the template page. i suggested it on cobblestone's talk page, xhe denied it, and some slf made it anyway. have a good day. Perpetualchange (talk) 02:17, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

Some of my thoughts rn[edit source]

1. Iron is iron. It's the third most ingrained rating in soy culture next to only coal and gem. Vantagray and chaos equiunox never needed to exist, but iron, as THE neutral rating, is 100% necessary.

2. The page is not a talk page. There was a lot of discussion on Gemerald that should have been put here.

bonus: i forgot equinox so someone should add that in Antimatter (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

1. You seem to have terminal reading issues. The iron template has a bad usecase because its sole purpose is trying to say that something isn't a gem or coal, which doesn't need a template for people to know. If it's not iron then there's going to be a different, actually useful quality template there. Also the Manual of Style has explicitly mentioned not to add quality templates if the page isn't significantly gemmy or coally enough to need them.

2. You also did not read the main Template Question hub article.

>Template questions are periodically held discussions

There is absolutely nothing wrong with explaining why a given template is good or bad IN THE REASONING SECTION OF A TEMPLATE'S TABLE ROW. It's literally the entire fucking point of having a reasoning field! God forbid someone use it for its intended purpose. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 04:11, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

gemerald template clittyleaking containment center[edit source]

Moved to the bottom because of a SLF breaking reddiquette and making a section at the top of a talk page and not the bottom

- GapeNewell on revision comments

- Me (Antimatter) on revision comments

- GauntletThrown in the article itself

- GauntletThrown on revision comments

- Me (Antimatter) in the article itself

- GapeNewell on revision comments

Okay, now for a civilized discussion happening in one, dedicated place.

1. These pages are obviously meant for discussion, but that does not necessarily mean putting a complete wall of text on its reasoning. 2. "muh soykulchur" is not the only reason I think the Gemerald template is a gem or at least iron. Looking at the main template question page, we can see Vantawhite rated at the iron tier, whose reasoning seems to admit inferiority to the "much older and prettier Gemerald template". Of course, this template question does not have to be exactly copied from the last, but it's at the very least unreasonable to put it at Coal.

I could settle for Iron anyways, because this point is kind of weak, but somebody else needs to weigh in so this isn't just a one-on-one banter.

Antimatter (talk) 02:23, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

The gemerald template is for articles that are more gemmy than gems. There's no chance in hell it's getting deleted. North (talk) 02:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

I get what you're actually saying, and looking at the category page, all of Gem's subcategories combined aren't as common as the base. However, I'm going to leak over your wording before Gauntlet gets the chance to. Gemeralds are more gemmy than the average gem. It doesn't make much sense to say vantawhite is whiter than white. Antimatter (talk) 03:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

"Gemeralds are more gemmy than the average gem" is an entirely useless statement without an actual definition of "gemmier than gem". The entire fucking point of the Template Question is to clean out the template list of templates that don't serve distinct, relevant purposes. I should not have to repeat this, but the only actual difference Gem and Gemerald ever had is that the latter is green and slightly more prone to SLF newfags putting it on their first articles just because they made them. The usecase is effectively the same otherwise; a template to mark good articles.
The only feasible way to meaningfully differentiate them is to rework Gemerald into being for articles that got featured in some way (lots of other wikis have special templates for articles that were featured at some point) as that's the only inarguable measure of quality that'd work for separating gemeralds from regular gems. Otherwise the usecase venn diagram might as well be a single circle, which is what the Template Questions are meant to prevent. Unless you can find another objective way to draw a dividing line that gives both templates reasons to exist, there's nothing left to discuss. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 03:06, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Holy clitty leakage but I get what you mean North (talk) 04:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Niche =/= Bad[edit source]

I don't think that we have to delete a template just because it can only be used on a few pages or even just one. OopooPoopoo (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

But then what's the point in it being reusable? North (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

I think there needs to be some reusability, even a few pages. --SprokemowerMan ● Talk Page 22:27, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Agreed, Only people who HATE the 'ki and sharty want to remove templates for nonsense reasons - AverageSoyjak (talk) 19:52, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

I'm fine with niche templates as long as they have an actually clear usecase, and one that could likely include more articles than the one they were made for, as well as the ones that fill a niche that no other template was adequately filling in the first place. On the other hand, the templates that are just "<template> but more/less X" or "<template> but very specific" or "<template> but it looks different" are ones I feel can be safely removed. There's a difference between something having a useful niche (something that's unique to it that's useful) and something being outclassed by something better and/or more flexible that can also do its niche perfectly fine.

this is retarded[edit source]

Censored by ED oldfag award

most of these templates are completely fine (accept maybe the """""fuggen jerdee""""" template) this project will ruin what keeps the wiki fun. if you delete these we will just become a shitty version of encyclopedia dramatica. you realize how disgusting that is?

-coalfarmer 1/13/2025 (4:41 PM CST)

I agree. It’s funny and pretty entertaining, especially when a topic is totally lame. It also reflects the general opinion of subjects. Plus, lots of them are classics. I don’t know or understand why the hell this is even happening in the first place - because one guy had the shitty idea?

Vantared (talk) 22:56, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

This is an interesting point, I just made it because it existed before. I'm honestly just cargo culting because the last one was good. Thoughever, the article should have had this feedback earlier if it was a serious issue. Antimatter (talk) 23:11, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

nigga have you even BEEN on encyclopedia dramatica before? that site is littered with template spam and stale meme templates. besides a lot of the vanity templates with extremely narrow usecases are better off being cut and replaced with the Example template if all they are is just an image and some text GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 23:53, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

nigga what ED have you been using? all their templates are boring just like the "safe gemmy templates" you faggots have approved on this article and most of the articles don't even have those. you want it to be like that? i don't.

-coalfarmer the selfish little fuck who can't ident xhis posts properly 1/13/2025 (7:59 PM CST)

a version from before you were old enough to post on the soysphere GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 03:21, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

why ya leaking over templates and a dead wiki mane? -coalfarmer the guy who grows environmentally unfriendly coal instead of identing properly and farming sustainable bugs like the selfish little fuck he is 1/13/2025 (7:59 PM CST)

first the FVCK of all, i wasn't the one who suggested the hitlergentina template being removed, and it's pointless regardless of its origins. second, 2021 is not actual oldfag territory for a site definitely older than you, nusoi. also this wiki is absolutely not dead, it gets hundreds of edits per day. a minor inconvenience for a few nusois who are that attached to superflous ADHD boxes is not the end of the soyki.

hey bud our article on them quite literally shows their declining userbase and even if it wasn't why are you derailing this by defending that faggotry? -brimstonefarmer 1/14/2025 (6:39 AM CST)

at no point have I defended ED you illiterate cordie GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 13:14, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

^^^FAGGOT ABOVE ME IS DELETING MY REPPYS AND CENSORING ME^^^ GEEEEGGGGGG! CAN"T TAKE CRITICISM AWARD! -coalfarmer 1/14/2025 (7:56 PM CST)

>if you delete these we will just become a shitty version of encyclopedia dramatica

Have you actually read any ED articles? (because I think you'll find that's not the case) North (talk) 08:06, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

In defense of some templates[edit source]

I personally think this update is fucking retarded as it takes out the fun of editing the 'ki, all because nuswahs got mad at us "influencing the soysphere".

Some of the templates that will be removed soon could be forageable if referring to the page's quality instead of an objective rating about the subject.

{{YinYang}} is only used in pages that regard Asians and I didn't intend for it to be a rating, despite the "cosmic harmony" translation. I wanted something in chink about the Yin-Yang itself and this is what I came up with.

{{CobmanGem}} also seems like it isn't intended to be a page rating since it's refering to Thoughie's Soy Music Parodies and isn't attempting to influence anyone's opinions even from the viewpoint of a nusoi.

{{Vantapurple}} is not an objective rating of a page, and it's moreso inferring that the page is a margerald.

{{Gemmedup}} is not a margerald template, as it has a use for shit pages that have been vandalized before their removal, or that are being improved.

Niche templates such as {{OMGSISU}}, {{Hitlergentina}}, and {{NoNuts}} could be made into a subpage of {{OMGSISA}}, {{ACK!}}, and {{Nuts}}, respectively, like {{Pepe/Q}}. ~ TotalNiggerDeath [ talk ] / [ contribs ] @ 05:15, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

I agree that CobmanGem and Vantapurple should be kept because those aren't actually quality ratings though, and YinYang was only really put on the chopping block because nobeidore except you knew what its intended usecase was. I think Gemmedup is useless because I don't think we need templates specifically for pages actively being vandalized, and for that latter usecase (pages being improved) we can just use existing maintenance templates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GauntletThrown (talk • contribs)

I thought its use was pretty obvious. It only shows up on pages mentioning asians and things related to them.

As for Gemmedup, I still feel it has use as the maintenance templates are only things along the lines of "this page is under maintenance, don't edit". ~ TotalNiggerDeath [ talk ] / [ contribs ] @ 07:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

In that case the Gemmedup template should have its text changed to better indicate its purpose/why it's there, rather than just being an oppositefagged censorship template GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 13:59, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

gradingcaust bitching/stuff that didn't have anything to do with the above topic header o algo[edit source]

i am also of the belief that the gradingcaust is a really stupid idea, it takes away alot of the fun of editing as previously mentioned and removes alot of amusing flavor from pages. if people are really mad that the wiki is "influencing the soysphere" with page ratings then they can just edit the ratings theirselves, you dont even need to make an account to edit pages, and nobody is saying that these ratings are objective fact, people can just form their own opinions on a subject by reading the fucking page theirselves. which, if people are mad about the wiki "influecing the soysphere", they should be more mad about the fact that like half the pages on this 'ki are written in heavily biased clitty leakage episodes^{[citation needed]} rather than keeping an objective view on the matter rather than a colored sentence on the page header that says the topic is heckin' brimstone or something FitchBaggot (talk) 16:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

I agree, it’s the stupidest idea I’ve seen yet. It ruined one of the most fun parts of the wiki. Now it’ll just be boring, and there won’t be any templates for advanced ratings. I hate this and I hate the idea in general. Vantared (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Buddy if you think the wiki's entire identity is/should be copy and pasted pieces of text at the top of articles than you've entirely missed the point of a wiki. I bet you go to soybooru just to look at the tags. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 23:20, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

The majority of edits on pages like Ongezellig and Quote are just rating template changes. That's not "fun",that's boring. North (talk) 17:49, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Agreed, All the gradingcaust does is remove things from the 'ki for literally no reason - AverageSoyjak (talk) 23:26, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

i did not once say that the wikis "entire identity" is based on the ratings, i just think theyre entertaining and add a bit more livelihood to the pages. and yes, i do think that constant rating changes on controversial pages like quote and 'zellig are retarded, but thats a byproduct of edit-warring, not the template system. you can misuse literally any wiki feature due to edit-warring, and it especially can still happen due to headers that can still very much be used for presenting subjective opinion such as aryan FitchBaggot (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

If you wanna make the wiki funny and lively, you can do so perfectly fine without single purpose templates. Just learn to make jokes on your own instead of outsourcing them to template creators. GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 01:42, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Feels empty...[edit source]

honestly i like the templates they bring more life to the page. i am aware that template spam makes page bad but honestly they are very nice. i may suck or lack knowledge to 'ki editing but i think the grading should stay but only if a topic is agreed upon

It’s over. It does feel empty. Vantared (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Lets Let This Poll Decide[edit source]

[Keep in mind that cobblestone may use alt accounts and/or xis worshipers to rig this poll in favor of the gradingcaust] - AverageSoyjak (talk) 01:11, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

This ain't a democracy lil bro 🥀🥀🥀 GauntletThrown (clittyleakage zone) 01:14, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

>This is a totalitarian regime, worship the jannies lil goyim - AverageSoyjak (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2026 (UTC)