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The most popular dilemma is simply called "the Islamic dilemma." It can be summarized very easily. The Quran affirms the Bible; the Bible doesn't affirm the Quran (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:44, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:46, Galatians 1:8-9). This dilemma isn't new and can be dated back to the 8th century (George of B'eltan). The second dilemma I call the "love dilemma". This is more of a dilemma with non-Triune Gods in general, but the argument goes something like this: if God is love, then who does he love from eternity? In a Trinity, you have an eternal bond of love, the Father loves the Son, and the Holy Spirit is a bond of that love, but in a non-Triune God, it needs creation to love, meaning love is an attribute added to a non-Triune God after creation, which means God's attributes change with creation, which creates two dilemmas. 1. How can an eternal, unchanging God change with creation, and 2. How can God be love if love isn't a part of its identity? The third dilemma is similar to the first and is called the "talmudic dilemma." Basically, there is more than enough evidence to support the idea that the Quran copied some parts of the Talmud (Qur'an 21:51-67 - Avodah Zarah 54b, Qur'an 27:16-19 - Gittin 68b, Qur'an 2:30-34 -Sanhedrin 38b, Qur'an 21:68-70 - Pesachim 118a, Qur'an 2:31 - Chullin 60a). This creates a dilemma: not only does the Quran contradict the Talmud, but the Talmud is also not recognized in the Islamic canon. Creating a dilemma, how can an uninspired text make its way into the Quran? (Assuming the Quran is from God and eternal) Allah somehow made a mistake and used an uninspired, blasphemous text in his eternal, undying, and uncorrupted word or the Talmud is the inspired word of Allah not only does this make no sense because the Talmud says Isa or Jesus is burning in fecal matter in hell (Gittin 57a) but the Talmud spefically warns of a prophet that contradicts the Torah which fits Muhammad perfectly (Sanhedrin 90a). (Assuming the Quran is written) The writers of the Quran used an uninspired text that blasphemes prophets and warns of false prophets like Muhammad in the holy word of Allah, meaning the Quran is not perfect and is liable for mistakes, making it unreliable. The fourth dilemma I call the "miracles dilemma". It's pretty simple: According to the Quran Jesus performed miracles and was sinless (Qur'an 3:49, Qur'an 5:110, Qur'an 3:36, Qur'an 19:19). Muhammad, however, the final and greatest prophet, not only performed zero miracles (Qur'an 6:37, Qur'an 6:109, Qur'an 17:90-93), but also sinned (Qur'an 47:19, Qur'an 48:1-2, Qur'an 93:7, Qur'an 66:1) according to Sahih al-Bukhari 6307 Muhammad was sinning 70 times a day on average. Basically, the point of this argument is that even in the Quran itself and hadiths, Muhammad is less great than Jesus because Jesus was sinless and performed miracles, while Muhammad did neither. The fifth dilemma is called the "Uthman dilemma". This argument questions the claim that the Quran is perfectly preserved and unchanging. According to Sahih al-Bukhari 4987, Uthman burned a bunch of Qurans for being "unreliable." This creates a dilemma. How did he know which Quran was reliable without the divine messenger of Allah? This dilemma, in my opinion, is probably the weakest so far, but I digress. These are separate arguments not really dilemmas but point out contradictions in the Quran and Hadiths
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1. Child marriage and Aisha. This is probably the most popular argument against Islam and is the hardest to defend if you live in the West and not some third-world shithole that still practices child marriage. Aisha was 6, Muhammad was 53.
2. Quran and Hadith contradictions. The first one is apostasy, which in the Quran is not punishable by death (Quran 2:256), but later hadiths claim it is (Bukhari 6922). Sharia law requires death for apostates, overriding the Quran and putting man-written text over the Holy and Inspired word of Allah.
3. The Quran, early on, not only affirmed pagan gods (the satanic verses) but was very peace orinated as Muhammad gained power, though it focused more on the sword and spreading the religion by force (Qur'an 9:5, Qur'an 9:29). The argument basically goes like this: Muhammad, once he gained power, overrode the earlier revelations of Allah, and became more power-hungry filled with murder and decite and became the very thing he preached against.
4. The Quran has multiple scientific errors, such as claiming the earth is flat (Qur'an 15:19, 79:30), claiming the sun sets in "murky water" (Qur'an 18:86), claiming humans are created from a blood clot (Qur'an 23:12-14), claiming mountains hold up the earth (Qur'an 78:6-7, 16:15), claiming salt and fresh water can never mix which is false (Qur'an 55:19-20), claiming sperm comes the spine (Qur'an 23:12-14).
5. The "angel" argument. Basically, the Bible in the New Testament warns of false prophets receiving messages from "angels of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14, Galatians 1:8-9). Muhammad received his revelation from an angel. The New Testament is very clear that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Messiah, meaning no prophets are needed after Him (Hebrews 1:1-2, John 14:6, Acts 3:22-23). And warns against false prophets receiving messages from "angels". Muhammad fits this category perfectly.
6. The "aorta" argument. Qur'an 69:44-46 states, "And if he had fabricated about Us some sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; then We would have cut his aorta (or main artery); and there is no one of you who could prevent it." claiming that Muhammad, if he is lying about Allah, will have his aorta cut. Then, in a later Aishan Hadith, it states "The revelation comes to me like the ringing of a bell; sometimes it is so heavy that I feel as if my aorta is being cut." (Sahih Muslim 2316, Sahih Bukhari 7437). Muhammad literally said that he is lying, his aorta will be cut, then on his deathbed says, "I feel as if my aorta is being cut". Basically condemning himself and admitting he's a false prophet.
7. The crucifixion denial. According to Qur'an 4:157-158 Jesus was never crucified. This creates a lot of problems. The first one is that this simply is just false; there isn't a single non-Islamic source that claims this. Literally zero. Two, the Quran never says who replaced Jesus on the cross; it just says "another was made to resemble him". Three, why would God trick humanity, not only created the worlds largest religion but biggest threat to Islam? Fourth, this implies the resurrection never happens, which is also false because we have hundreds of witnesses and dozens of matyrs that went to their death preaching it. Five, if Jesus was never cruificed that He failed His mission on earth, which was to forgive humanity's sins and fulfill scripture. The Bible is very clear that a suffering servant will arise (Isaiah 53) and will die for humanity's sins (Psalm 22:16-18, Zechariah 12:10, Hosea 6:2, Psalm 32:1-2, Micah 7:18-19). If Jesus never did this, then how are humanity's sins forgiven? This means Allah just forgives sins without any justice or sacrifice. Islam basically believes in a purely works-based salvation because they have no savior who bore the sins of humanity. This creates a bunch of problems which I'll probably talk about in a later thread once I know more about the subject.
God bless all who read this, and may Jesus guide you to the truth.
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