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watched a person escape into a hatch instantly with the new change and see this response.
chunguswunguses...were home..

Man, the AR subreddit is an absolute glazer shitshow. No wonder it went from 3.1M to 2.6M members in almost 2 months.

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>>550881421

Please.

Let this game evolve. Let the devs build it out and trust this process. Allow this slow burn of a game turn into the potential it has and just play and have fun.

Allow these threads to flourish with memes and fun clips over constant complaining and crying.

I beg you.

>>550881784
is this a joke all they do is bitch and hate on the game

>>550882008
Sorry you'll get AI goonslop spam and you'll like it

>>550881784
its really fun to navigate on your off time before expedition restarts. discord is another wasteland of retards

>>550882096
I find the "guys stop complaining" posts infinitely more annoying. Toxic positivity is the worst, which is incidentally why the West has fallen as well.

Do Recoil Recovery bonuses do anything for the Il Toro? It feels like the gun kicks up after a shot but never goes back to its resting position anyway. Is it a wasted stat?

>>550882373
the ones defending the game and parroting gamerdad memes are the ones ironically doing the kos niggery and actually, unironically, showcasing it says "pvp" in the tags as for the reason its okay

im just livid at this point. i do not trust the devs at all.

>>550881784
It was 4m at one point

>>550881683
i cant wait till extract points become safe zones
its already enough tryin to make sure the outside of elevators/hatches/vents aren't littered with camping booby traps and sightways, its another when you can get clearsights into gettin fuckin killed while typing on the computer

and you know who would complain about that

>>550882593
The mods are fucking retarded as well (as expected) and censor posts they don't like. Bet that didn't help.

>>550881683
Wow

>>550851150 →
Yeah part of the reason I never get shot at in Chungusville is that I never try to encroach on another raider's territory. Following someone and looting their shit is asking for it

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This game is eventually going to have queue problems.
>each map has its own queue
>they plan on adding more maps
>each map often has a queue for a secondary night/frost/EMS mode
>queues are split between singles, duos, and trios
>matchmaking is pooling like-players together into their Chungartha/ratkanda/etc lobbies
>queues are split between pc/console/crossplay
>no wildcard quickplay queue to fill in the gaps
It's not visible yet since the game is still popular, but populations generally decrease over time. They'll need to address queue dilution at some point. Imagine the shitstorm when people spend 5+ minutes in a queue only to late spawn with 17 minutes left on the clock and extraction campers already in place.

Pic unrelated

>>550882701
If I cared more, I would consider putting down barricades to help block Los to the computer. But I just doubt if it's worth the opportunity cost.

>>550883798
Fix the braindead chungfaggotry and pool everyone into a balanced mixed lobby and limit the event modifiers to 3 per time max.
Team sizes are a big divider though, and you can't really fix it without reworking PvP balance a lot (main;y by lowering TTK so you have more chance against bigger groups) which will further the rat faggotry and shooting first thus decreasing combat depth.

The PvP is fine. Just announce your intention to kill people before opening, miss your first shot on purpose and then reposition. Now both parties are PvPing fairly with full knowledge of what's going on.

Turning the game into an Apex Legends long ttk sweatfest is not a solution imo

>>550884389
>long ttk sweatfest
ttk in apex is half a second to a second. The fact that's too long for grandpa to aim for is something.

>start game with a friend
>we are noobs but slow and steady learning the game and shit
>loot some shit
>hear gun fights in the distance the usual
>suddenly hear a bullet whizzing past me
>damn what
>another one
>spot some dude on the roof
>friend sees him too
>I greet the motherfucker on the roof with a few bullets, hes too far away though
>suddenly another guy jumps down from the higher roof to the lower roof
>just watch him
>he decides to shoots at us too
>okay man
>shoot him with my rattler, see how I hit him a few times
>he keeps running and then suddenly his flare goes up
>tell friend maybe hes faking it because I didnt believe these few shots killed him
>we carefully approach him since the first aggressor is nowhere to be seen
>find the guy I shot back at
>hes crawling on the ground and says "help me"
>friend gives him knock out animation

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>chungarthan's recounting their stories
>rat faggots absolutely seething over lobbies they will never experience
>NO!!! You cant just kill arcs together and take elevators with each other, it's not fucking fair!!!
why are they like this?

>>550884389
>>550884695
I think people get a bit confused with Apex and think it has a long TTK because the base guns are hot garbage (At least this is true back when I played it on launch through to the start of covid sort of era). You got shit like pistols and mozambique getting found off the drop and most guns, even the decent ones, needed lots of attachments and hop-ups before they became laserbeam death machines.

And even then all the weapons are projectile bar one or two exceptions, and then you also need to be in the optimal range for your weapon in a game with HUGE sightlines and lots of terrain, AND you're contesting against defensive/movement abilities etc.

Its not that Apex has long TTK so much as it takes a lot of work to actually get into an optimal scenario where the TTK is fast, which is honestly how gear progression SHOULD work.

I wish Arc raider's grey weapons were more like the zero attachment common weapons in Apex.

>>550884202
>pool everyone into a balanced
We have been citing balance as the primary issue since day 1. The only reason you need to be in a chungus lobby in the first place is because of the balance issues. Do I like having to mind my manners and treat every trip to Stella like I'm standing in line at a cafeteria? Not really, but I like it a hell of a lot better than brazilnigger lobbies where loot goes untouched because a village of third world retards can't find another source of dopamine than to kill people while they are animation locked. Balanced pvp (and maybe a few animation cancels like the new raider hatch) would make the game much more engaging mechanically. Right now the mechanics just kind of suck, so no one has a reason to put them into practice. The devs showed their hand by admitting that rats are playing the game correctly, they don't agree with chungus lobbies, etc. Right now they are Dunning and Krueger sucking each other's dicks saying what a great game they made. Credit where it's due: the map design, aesthetics, vibe, and the implication of unique and diverse gunplay make this game a 10/10; they just need to deliver on that implication.

>>550885415
Performing an animation should double your shield while in the animation if you haven taken damage in the last 30 seconds. Or something similar. Seem an easy fix to the shot in the back of the head problem.

are trailblazers any good? I've seen some people pop a couple during chungartha raids now and they're pretty flashy. Do they do any meaningful damage to large Arcs?

>>550885732
I guess if the animation locks didn't suck there would be literally nothing to do on the skill tree. The faster, quieter breach and loot perks in their respective conditioning and survival trees are goated.

>>550886360
>Are they any good
Short answer is yes but with the caveat of being tricky to land. You basically have to line it up so they get hit by multiple explosions which normally means exposing yourself to danger, so you have to pair it with something to protect yourself (Like a cloak or sneaking or a lure grenade etc.)

In reality its probably easier to damage large arcs with the molotovs.
For PVP they're pretty nice though. You can light up a small room or corridor pretty handily

>>550886360
I saw a video of a guy instakilling a leaper with one

>>550886360
They seem to work better the shorter range you throw them for larger arc, I think they shoot out the same amount of gas regardless of how far they're thrown so if you stack all the gas procs on a short throw it does a lot more damage. I disabled the leg of a bombardier, threw 2 of them basically point blank and it killed the bombardier.

There is a lack of incentive to pvp other than to rage farm because the best loot you could get for the purposes of pvp are in free augment with a few upgrades/attachments, even though a stitcher 1 will do you just fine in most scenarios, as such if you are a pvper there is no real reason to get loot.

The only time there is ever any dynamic pvp scenario where mechanics might come into play are 3v3 scenarios so any "hardcore" pvp scenario is actively undermined by the low TTK, you cant create interesting pvp scenarios when there are very few instances where you can even fight back

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Listening to Nujabes and drinking a 10% alc beer kinda night.

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>just saved another pour soul from the rats that infiltrate Chungartha
There was so many people talking I wasn't sure if the rat won or the person being ratted, I hate taking that gamble but I gave that dude a chance to explain himself and regretted it. Neither of these two Raiders had a mic.

https://streamable.com/32xt1z

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>>550888095
This image gets better everytime I see it

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>Spawn in 29min remaining
>2 arc above me
>whiling im shooting them down this nigger kills me

fuck this game lmao, turning off crossplay my ass steam fags are just as bad

In Buried City the other day I saw 2 giant white spider lookin Arc in the distance, What are they supposed to be?

>>550888805
Emperors

>>550884920
>>550881784
So is the gimmick here that you make the exact same lame posts as the pveonly players on reddit but pretend you're unique or something?

>>550888693
In Chungartha you can even leave on crossplay. Make the pilgrimage, brother, before the expedition departs.

>>550888693
Yeah man the system people play on has nothing to do with it. There is degenerates across every platform. The only benefit consolefags get by turning it off is not having to contend with superior M&KB and higher frame rates. Also probably cheating, though I've never experienced a cheater.

>>550889002
No worries my brother the game is uninstalled and I'm moving on to something else, I'm good with searching crates for batteries for a worthless time wasting gameplay loop!

>>550889428
Alright see ya

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>Taking a break until Monday
>Bored, decide to load up naked to Buried City snow
>Leisurely opening cabinets looking for candelabras, bulbs or whatever for the event
>Find one candelabra and swing down to South Station
>2 raiders join me on the extract, both have mics
>Extract peacefully
I fucking love Chungartha. Can't wait for Monday.

killing on sight but shaking my head solemnly while I do so, and leaving a :( feedback so the game knows I disapprove

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Are you prepared for the wipe? I am.

okay, tell me what chungartha means and keep in mind I bought this game on friday

>>550890175
I've been sitting on 5m for a week. That's why I'm not playing until the expedition.

Gotta admit seeing how little green weapons are worth has really robbed the game of any tension for me.
Hard to care about anything when a fucking snowglobe from a random residential area is worth more than the gear most players are using

>>550890236
All my excess goes into a "guild stash account" for my whole team.

>>550888917
>le thread boogeyman
kys autist freak

Stupid game, just give me that fucking empty bottle.

>>550890358
I don't care if it's one or multiple people, either way it's lame forced spam

>>550890420
Dam R&A second floor green lockers, you're welcome.

>>550890210
It's the realm of the wholesome chungus raider, where everyone is peaceful and the loot flows like honey. Ratkanda on the other hand is where all the damned PvPers go and get shot 5 steps after loading into a raid.

>>550890523
I will check it out next run.

>>550890420
go to the library on buried and do the lockers there.

Make more Chungartha pics.

>>550889428
>gets niggered
>hates the game, not the player
lol, see ya buddy. nothing of value was lost (including your time.)

>>550890618
Hmm hmmm

>>550890931
Mechanics influence behaviour, you fucking retard.

>>550891442
There has never been an extraction game that encourages pvp less than what ARC does.

>>550891546
It's a start, but the 2 systems completely clash in solo/duos simply because of how lethal PvP is comparatively while having no tangible way of prevention through increased investment.
It needs to incorporate both in harmony, not this stupid shit where you either get bored to death in chungus lobbies after an hour or where you don't get to play the game entirely because PvP is balanced like garbage.

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>>550891442
Then put your money where your mouth is and make the pilgrimage to Chungartha. The game will cater to your play style. If you are in ratnigger lobbies, perhaps you deserve to be there.

>>550891991
>PvEnigger sperging about PvP
What's next? A PvP nigger gonna sperg out the second I would wish for balance between the 2?

>>550891890
>while having no tangible way of prevention through increased investment.
People claiming that better shield and augments aren't worth it are just lying though lol

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>>550892171
>muh balance
We all want balance, but the aggression based mmr is one of the cleverest things the devs have done. If you want more chill lobbies, turn the other cheek. There is middle ground, and if you can walk the middle path like a proper Buddha, more power to you. If you want pvp, then you get picrel.

>>550892328
It buys you too little time in a direct confrontation, if you get the drop on a guy you will win regardless of your gear unless you fumble hard.
Best improvement goes from light to medium shield where you're getting an extra shot worth of ferro/anvil and other high-damage low-rof weaponry, against automatics it might as well not be doing anything.

And that's only on the performance side, most of the time if you win with better gear you spend half your earnings refitting and repairing your shit; there's virtually no reason to run anything above a stitcher/anvil or a similar cheap combo with a medium shield and a blue augment of your choice (excluding survivor).

>>550888095
I saw a rat get btfo in stella last night after a bunch of people took out the bastion and it was pretty hilarious

Fellow Chungarthians, should one shoot in self defense?

>>550889545
Based

>>550892727
Still raises your aggression score. Good boys just take it and accept the fact they will lose their kit every few maps. It's worth it to stay in the hallowed halls, however.

>guy finishes my bombardier just as i run out of heavy ammo fucked up my explosives so i had to finish it with my busted anvil
>thank him and say that he's free to loot some stuff
>he just stands there and says that he hasn't looted anything
>tell him to loot, again
>stands there awkwardly for a few seconds and then says "alright man cya, good luck"
I'm starting to think this game has an issue with your mic output randomly not working or being picked up for certain people. I know for a fact that it worked earlier in that very same lobby because I talked with someone briefly.

>>550890523
kek, first locker had one. Thanks.

>>550893952
Prox chat is all kinds of fucked up. I can't think of a single game that hasn't fucked it up.

>>550893618
Wise words, fellow Chungarthian. I do not wish to return to Ratkanda ever again.

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>>550892328
Your heavy shield, retard.

>>550892727
Most the time I dont even have a chance to. That being said I would say no unfortunately. We get to run around having fun doing whatever we want. Not worth the risk of losing that and going to time wasting kos hell.

>>550893952
probably thought you would shoot him while looting

>>550893618
I cannot fathom being this cucked

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Is Anvil Splitter the only tech mod in the game?

I'm thinking of buying this game, on console if that matters, and I was becoming confused about the goal of the game?

>>550894751
I'd get that but it was just as if he couldn't hear me talking at all. He didn't sound like a supreme autist that can't interact with people so I have to assume something was wonky

>>550894936
Half the time I can't understand what people are saying, even if they are pretty close.

>>550894862
Yes.

>The expedition is optional, you don't have to do it
>What happened to playing for fun?
>Just play something else
Embark glazers on Reddit deserve the firing squad. Do they really not realize that this is a live service game? It's not meant to be something you play for 40 hours then put away. According to them I should just stay at level 75 forever with basically zero reason to get loot? What am I left with, PvP? Even assuming I wanted to leave Chungartha, the meta for PvP is still using free kit weapons.

>>550894904
Nobody here knows either.

Can I get the event cosmetics from just playing or do I need to do the fetch quests? Finding berries and candelabras and what not.

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>common item found every single raid
>suddenly becomes unobtanium the moment you need them
I have been the first person to residential areas so many fucking times now and have yet to find one.

>>550895964
You need to farm the last 80 berries or so. Shit is whack.

Good afternoon to Alice In Chains fans only

>>550896219
It's 2:18 AM.

>shitter tries to rat me as I evac
>put him down like the scum he is but I'm left with a sliver of health
>yet another rat kill me just after
man, fuck this. I didn't even have anything that good on me, but it was a bunch of shit I needed for the event project and upgrading workbenches

>>550894904
It's an extraction looter shooter sandbox. The gunplay is broken, but the map design is so kino and sophisticated that it almost makes up for it. The point is to have fun, which it is. Every person bitching itt, myself included, have already logged hundreds of hours in this game. It's at least worth the money if you just wanna take a look, and now is the perfect time since most of us will me wiping with you.

>>550896020
I swear the faggots at Embark change the drop rate for events, I used to get so much of all that random shit and it took a long time to find any of it.

>>550896321

I’m on the west coast brother

>>550896321
Shalom!

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>watch videos of "high level gameplay"
>everybody is just spamming trigger nades and jolt mines

>>550898401
>image related
niggas always post this but refuse to play garten of banban

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Anons, why don't you have a guild stash account for your gamer group?

>>550898847
Seems like a hassle because I am only one person

As much as I hate rats and KoSniggers, I love nothing more than beating them. Especially since I'm the type of player who waits to defend himself, meaning they should win 100% of the time.

>>550900378
based

Karma-based matchmaking will destroy the game one long run

On my way to a 5-million stash, I found out far too late that there is karma-based matchmaking. My friend, who was also aiming for 5 million, was way faster than I was because he looted strictly following PvE principles. I, on the other hand, wanted to farm the money on Stella Montis by relieving other players of their items, since that’s a lot more fun for me. Turns out it was significantly harder compared to mindlessly looting without interaction.

The question is: what’s the point of a PvPvE principle if, in the end, everyone still ends up in their own lobbies? I either get Helldivers or Fortnite, depending on which matchmaking bracket I’m assigned to. In my view, the lack of mixing simply leads to PvP becoming pointless, because I’m obviously not competing with other players over anything meaningful. To me, it undermines the core concept of the game—that I’m supposed to deal with Arcs and hostile players. And I predict that this will reduce the game’s overall appeal in the long run, but that’s just my two cents.

>>550900496
Wrong, it's the complete opposite, this stops PvEfags from dying too much and quitting the game
And this is good for PvPfags who want a PvPgame

The only time someone seems to hate this is because they are so bad at PvP they can't even kill people crouched with their back turned to them

>>550900496
I'd question why you are a homosexual and what moment in your life led you to becoming a fag. Probably a better way to spend your time

>>550900778
>you're gay and a fag because just because, homosexual
how do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>>550898401
That image is retarded. Developers are subhumans and the consumer should not care about them.

>>550900756
>>550900778
>anon wants harmony between the systems
>PvEniggers come out of the woodworks
pottery

>>550900496
>the game will die because the games not letting me kill people who wont kos me first

>>550901146
because it obviously wouldn't work

>>550900496
I don't mind a karmic based matchmaking system but the current is very flawed. I get that they don't want to over-incentivize PvP, but being basically punished for fighting back, and rewarded with easier lobbies and thus more loot for a boring passive playstyle that pretty much ignores a huge chunk of the PvPvE gamepaly loop seems backwards.

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>>550896219
>when u enter the raid and realize this isn't chungartha anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7r6XgjVdMY [Embed]

i love alt tabbing out of the game and waiting for someone to hit the elevator and then killing them, especially on dam testing annex because it's the extract camper's paradise :)

>>550898847
I was tempted to give someone my spare bps and mule them past the expedition but I really didn't care.

PvPfags like PvP but never a fair or honest fight. What is up with that?

I will never be able to do hidden bunker.

>>550902234
I seriously don't get it, their posts sound schizophenic
>I want pvp
ok so kill people
>NOOO I WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE BACK LOOTING FOR ME
>NOT OTHER PVPERS

>>550902513
>>550902234
dishonest
i can say "i want pvp to be an actual part of the game" while also not wanting KOSNIGGERVILLE where everyone runs a stitcher 1 or 4 with a green shield and never picking up any loot

>>550902234
I do enjoy a fair shootout, and have been known to engage in mutual combat.
however comma part of what makes the extraction genre unique is the ability to disengage when things aren't going your way or using the environment and your gear to stack the odds in your favor.

>>550902685
Yep, called it

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Tfw I now have to hunt high tier arc with hull cracker but will often have negros on my ass due to previous PvP fighting

I lost 3 hullcrackers already

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>>550902234
>>550902513
>sportsfag brain niggers cheering for teams
>no concept of balance, harmony or nuance
Go back

The game would be so much fucking healthier if they literally cut the player count in half for every map and disabled mid-game spawns. I don't think you'd even need to have such aggressive chungus/kosnigger matchmaking.

>>550902994
it would. but for some reason they think its bad if players dont meet other players every single minute.

>>550902760
Hullcracker is not a solo weapon.
You use wolfpacks or deadlines to secure as fast of a kill as possible as far away from the action as possible, loot as fast as possible and gtfo, you guessed it, as fast as possible.

Hullcracker is for when you have a team covering your ass so that prolonged exposure and excessive sound profile are less of a concern.
Also the player amount doesn't change with the teams, people simply get more condensed, meaning in solos there are single players spread out everywhere on the map, so you have an even bigger chance of meeting someone.

>>550900496
There are no separate lobbies. There may be pve and pvp majority lobbies, but people still get killed in Chungartha. Pvp players won’t let the pve players engage in pve content like the matriach. The solution to this without creating completely different modes is to place cooperative players together so they can play the game without getting shot in the back and work together to fend off rats that won’t let them play the game. Really don’t see the problem here. No matter what lobby a pvp player is in, they can kill another player. On the other hand, if a pve player wants to kill the queen or something they won’t be able to do it in a lobby with pvp majority players. This isn’t galaxy science.

>>550903396
It comes down to PvP being much more lethal and needing much less investment comparatively to PvE.
You could afford to create truly mixed lobbies if the gear balance wasn't fucked.

>>550902760
1 Deadline + 1 Lure grenade is literally all you need for instantly killing anything other than the Rocketeer. You can buy one Deadline per day from the grenade vendor. Find a safe place for cover along the ARC's patrol path, then wait for it to get close. Throw a lure grenade to distract it, plant the Deadline one it, then get back to cover. Boom. For the Bombadier, make sure you throw the grenade outside of it's melee range.

>>550903610
and we had a balance patch and the devs obviously like it this way

as someone else pointed out, they are probably freekitters who like killing "better" players and stealing their gear, you can't really do that in other extraction shooters as a noob kit, so it sounds like they made this one

>>550903610
it all, always comes back to free loadouts and the stitcher

>>550903610
Thats a fair point desu. The band aid solution they have is sufficient..for now.

>>550903754
Yeah I think they like it the way it is too. I could see shields getting a slight buff so chungs and people fighting the bosses have a chance to defend themselves but not much more.

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now i can rest

why are people so fucking terrified of pvp? i don't mind helping people out, especially new players, but i feel like a lot of people are 100% opposed to pvp of any sort

>>550904650
FOTMslop enjoyers sperging out that the X that they bought isn't actually Y.

they should add shungite crystals as a trinket you can find

>>550904650
idk about others but I'm 30+ and don't have the reflexes or "talent" to play videogames like all these kids today

I am perfectly content with my casual game where the difficulty is just being aware of your surroundings for the arc and the enviroment, don't really care to play this like some tacticaly shooter where I grenade every room just in case someone is in a corner ready to kill me for...
20k worth of stuff

>>550903754
>they are probably freekitters who like killing "better" players and stealing their gear
Seems like they lost the nuance on the fact that gear is worth peanuts and you are actually an equal, not an underdog punching up.

>>550904650
PvP just isn't very satisfying in this game. It almost never feels like you won because you outplayed your opponent. That, combined with the fact that there's really nothing in the game's systems that reward you for it or incentivize PvP, so when you lose you feel like it was for nothing except griefing.

>>550905093
NTA but can you elaborate on what you mean by the game doesn't reward or incentivize? I'm unfamiliar-ish with the game, but how does loot/gear work?

>>550904980
Basically this for me too. I just dgaf about it. Getting in and out while avoiding conflict seems most efficient to me.

>>550904650
I wouldnt say people are necessarily opposed to it in of itself. What people are opposed to is the current gear balance.

>>550905605
see below, I'm curious as to what you mean by current gear balance.
>>550905270

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>infiltrated chungartha again
Don't run lil reddit

>>550905770
pretty pathetic when shitposters have to re-use insults against them

>>550905270
There's really nothing in the game that actually requires you to fight other players other than just for fun. The optimal way to progress is to avoid fights, and since there is nothing a player can to do one-shot kill you (unlike Tarkov) the optimal play is to basically just leave other players alone because fighting is a risk for really no reward.

>"errrmm im 30+ and i just wanna relax"
Fucking faggots. I'm 37 and can't pvp for shit but I still enjoy the small chances I get to get revenge on rats and to have half-decent fights. Pure PVE in this game sucks balls.

>>550905652
gear is more or less equalized across the board. so a level 1 stitcher is one of the best weapons in the game, good attachments take that even further. what this means is that combined with late spawning and freekit spam, niggas are shooting other people with no investment.
typically in a looter shooter, you risk high tier gear for better chances of survival and higher chance of extracting safely. when level 1 gun is top tier and shields are worthless, this invalidates this entire loop. thus creating a glorified BR game and not a extraction shooter.
which would be fine but this means there is very little endgame content to chase since everyone and their mama is rocking the same weapon and bringing in high tier gear is only if you want to have "fun" with the gear. the player is not incentivised to bring high tear gear.
then you add in the fact that the expedition asks you to hoard gear, youre even less incentivised to bring in gear. add in bad general gear balance like trigger nades nuking anyone in 2 hits, shit like the venator still being the best all around weapon and it is not very fun in pvp right now, especially solo.

>peanut playing solos
>it puts him in chungartha
>he's just murdering friendlies

>>550906062
You don't sound like you're 37, I can understand pvpers wanting to pvp, and thus having their own KOS lobbies, or heck, just queue for trios, OR FUCK, just play a pvp game that's actually balanced

You sound either fucking retarded or developmentally handicapped if you lack any kind of empathy/sympathy

>>550884775
Congrats on a rattler kill at all.

>>550906121
>then gets rolled up on by some third party dude after chasing a screaming ESL
Chungartha takes care of its own.

>Load in
>GLEEP BEEP BOOP CAN'T HEAR SHIT
>HEY RAIDER SHOVE SOMETHING UP MY ASS

Can they just shut the fuck up, for a game that's supposed to be "stealthy" they honk fuckin horns thru ever speaker in the fuckin map, fuckin retards.

>>550906238
You sound like a faggot, nice reddit spacing bro. Shut the fuck up. I run with defibs and don't KO people in extract, enjoy your boring ass gathering game weirdo.

>>550906458
lmao

also reddit spacing was a psy op created by poll to shitpost people for some vague reason they don't like

>>550905270
There are two main issues with the PVP, firstly the best guns in the game are all the lowest rarity, and on top of that are all easily accessible without having to spend any resources, which means that there's little to no reason to fight other players to take their gear, since almost none of it is going to be better than what you can get for free. The other reason to PVP is to take the loot that players find on the map, and the problem here is that the loot distribution is so flat that the average player on an average raid is only going to find one or two items that are truly valuable, and they're going to instantly shove them up their ass when they do, so if you kill them to take their loot all you're going to find is the same random assortment of worthless bullshit you would find if you just went and looted the map yourself. Add to that the fact that the TTK in this game is extremely high and it just becomes too risky to PVP unless you're just bored, since the rewards are low and the chances that killing one person is going to attract the attention of three or four other people in the area is pretty high.

>>550905652
In a nutshell. It is very easy for a player with cheap gear and no risk to kill a better geared player. This is due to the ineffectiveness of shields, ttk and the easy availability of S tier weapons. Someone who has grinded for endgame weapons and shields can be easily killed by someone who takes no risk and just came in with a free loadout and has a stitcher. They could even just craft a stitcher which anyone could do anyways due to the lowcrafting cost. Why should someone with no risk who hasnt done any work be able to so easily kill a player that has spent hours looting and looking for blueprints to craft endgame gear? Someone else could probably articulate all this much better than me.

>>550906062
K

>>550906458
"reddit spacing" is a meme invented sometime between 2013 and 2017—I don't remember the exact year. It's not a real thing. Double spacing has always been common on 4chan, and posts where every sentence is its own double-spaced paragraph isn't a Reddit style, it's Linkedin.

whats the fucking level cap in this game? I thought it was 60 now im 71 and wondering if the extra skill points are worth it because im getting everything I need

>>550908157
75

>>550904650
The PvP is kinda scuffed due to how fast the TTK is, when you go to Stella you need to plan your just lose the guns you bring

>>550906062
>i enjoy being shot in teh back and dying
thats waht you sound like. KEK

Peanut is doing groups with his fans

Lets go boys

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>guy takes a shot at me with a ferro on blue gate
>run up on him, make sure he sees me so its a fair fight
>(turns out it isn't, i have a stitcher/ferro and he has a burletta/ferro)
>down his ass
>he starts calling me every name in the book
>defib him and run off
>"uh.. uhh... wh-what..."
Left that nigga speechless.

>Stupid faggot trying to be funny on comms like a stand up comedian while everyone is running around looting not giving him the attention he desperately wants
>Some other douche running around with his flute

These faggots are mentally ill and lonely, prove me wrong.

>>550908929
then all of them get killed by a single stream sniping cheater lmao

>chungmas server
>matriarch
>no ones alive
>solo
>get downed
>raider shows up out of no where
>yo bro you got a defib?
>GO INSIDE GET INSIDE
>crawl inside
sorry I've never had a legendary weapon
maybe it is mixed with freekits getting their blood in when they're not in groups with no fear of punishment

>>550909319
Deserved. That aside the fact bans are only for 30 days but you can use family sharing to keep using the same license is pretty fucked up.
Level 1 steam accounts should also have some limited matchmaking let them all play together in their hacker lobbies
>but new people
Meh

Anyone want to trade for a trigger nade BP or fireworks box BP? I'm doing the expedition so don't need them but do need money

Here's what the game needs:

- Security cameras. They blink red when they have witnessed a character death. Using a consumable hacking item on them lets you view footage from a few cameras from the local 'cluster', with easy navigation to the points of raider interaction. This will be the hard part to design and implement.

Any visible raider that was seen killing a player on these cameras can be 'downloaded' to another piece of player gear which (with a small delay) alerts you whenever the tracked player is spotted by a security camera somewhere. "Spotted: Hospital, Level 4 lobby." It may also (if that isn't enough) have a color indicator that tells you approximately how close you are to them. This should be visible on your player character somewhere.

The cameras should also let you zoom in to see the players' outfits in close detail, and hear their voices, so you can confidently identify them.

- More information on dead player bodies. Inspecting them should show not just their items, but also some basic info: dead 3 minutes, died with weapon holstered, wounds: 9mm, etc. Not enough to definitely say what happened, but sometimes suggestive. If you see died to shotgun shells 1m ago, and there's a "friendly" with a shotgun nearby...

Basically, we need more tools for voluntarily policing player behavior and avenging ratting incidents. And the other side of the change is this: we need to get rid of aggression matchmaking. Friendlycattle and kosniggers should be in the same matchmaking pool. Just give the friendlies some 'intelligence' tools for getting vengeance once in a while.

Another idea I like is paying a steep fee to redeploy into the same match with an 'emergency kit' you have prepared... But maybe this one would be abused too much, not sure. If the fee is too high players will complain, feel entitled to it, etc.

>>550909601
You can't use family sharing with arc raiders

>>550909181
Always keep the enemy guessing

>>550909780
just sell them for 5k per

>>550900496
>When I play with other people like me, it is hell. I refuse to learn anything from this

>>550896020
go to stella kitchen

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>>550910492
Seek medical attention you are clinically retarded.

>>550892727
Yes. I don't care if it changes my matchmaking. Out of self respect yes you must shoot back.

But most important of all, you MUST salvage any valuable items you can't stow in a safe pocket

>accidentally killed an innocent man in a zipline mishap
>get to the top of the zipline
>immediately KOSed by a random freekigger
>kill him too
my karma is fucking ruined, I will never recover from this

>>550885087
Uh yeah I though Apex was the worst game I ever played and I hope Arc Raiders borrows absolutely nothing from it

>>550911279
>gramps mad he cant aim
Many such cases.

>>550911395
Aimtrainer-Americans can get deported. PUBG is the better game, always was.

>>550911093
Go try it out, it doesn't work. It might have worked initially when the game dropped but they removed that feature.

>>550911737
Plenty of hacker mans utilizing the system I don't know what to tell you.

>try to loot dam control tower for the nth time since I have so many keys
>find the door already open, someone looting
>kill him
>someone else in there fails to kill me with his venator IV somehow
>take everything and leave
I still haven't used my key. I found two in a single locker on spaceport.

It annoys me how winning a couple of fights is enough to get completely filled up. Maybe the limited inventory space is what prompts people to exfil early. There's no point sticking around when you can more or less max out your held value after looting a few rooms.

i am in such chill lobbies that i run around with my weapon holstered without a care in the world
there's also a bunch of women in them which is interesting
kinda miss the suspense of getting shot at tho
might just start lighting people up on sight in stella montis once the expedition thing is over with

>>550911954
All I'm telling you is to go try it out, maybe you are right about how the game was early on but currently it's not working. You can read people talking about this if you google.

What if the expedition isn't a reset its just to escape arc from killing Speranza?

>>550913056
nta, nigger, i am literally using family sharing to get myself a wipe reserve, you are retarded >>550898847

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Peanut's hilarious and I'm tired of pretending he's not

Peanut is evil and killing people in solos

He's a fucking sociopath

>>550887115
They need to nerf the freekit guns dramatically. go full nuclear on them. The only players who need to bring anything of any value into a match are those who are trying to do PvE vs the bigger arc. It is a huge problem that the most viable PvP loadouts only the smallest possible step above free, with the literally free option still being A-tier.

>>550914883
He's an angel and he's only killing people that deserve it, with the help of a guy who only hits headshots

>>550904650
PvP doesn't exist in solos. The TTK is just too low that it is almost never two players fighting each other. Just one ganking another since the shooter will be 80% of the way to victory before a defender can respond unless the attacker completely fucking scuffs his opening shots.

>>550904650
pvp is a negative sum game unless you're extract camping or queueing up with a free kit and shooting everyone you see

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>peanut gets killed by a cheater
>puts his embark ID on stream for everyone to mass report
>peanut teams up with a cheater
>"h-he's reformed!!!!"

Any goopers in /arg/ tonight boys?
https://youtu.be/ul2BDwjLpJA?si=AOXvSrlrwwLm9imV [Embed]

>be in chungartha matches all night yesterday
>decide to bring stuff to go kill the bastion in stella
>not everything can fit into the safe pocket
>late spawn into some guy camping my spawnpoint with a freenigger stitcher I
>dead before I have control of my character
>reassemble the build and try again
>late spawn with 17minutes on the clock. everything is looted
Fuck sweden.

everyone who is posting about some faggot streamer needs to kill themself

>>550914763
Buy and ad

>>550916082
lmfao

Peanut hit 5 million guys

Holy shit, congratulations for him, he deserves it

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Chungartha has been invaded
This is all that remains of a failed raid to kill the matriarch. At least five dead raiders when I late spawned and saw the culprit looting. He had three of these augments on him. He claimed it wasn't him but its impossible to tell when I found the first raider dead and him looting her. I found the rest later on. Keep your ears open and never leave your battle buddy.

>>550916347
>carried by an ESL cheater to the finish line
>actually thought you needed 5 mil to expedition so he didnt even sign up until he got it

>>550904650
It just is not fun. Less than 1 second to kill anyone with free wall peaking behind safety, its not even PvP its just seal clubbing for whoever spots or shoots first.

>>550916082
It's one fucking guy, just like the pve chungartha shit

>>550916625
yea this whole thread is one guy
moron

>>550916347
He's so funny and good, I love his stream and I love talking about it in this thread

>>550916724
this

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>>550915965
Peanut reported him and also showed the guy's Steam name to everyone on stream (basically allowing everyone to report the cheater too)

Cheater's steam profile name was "officialmodx495" (and his steam profile was on private with 1 previous VAC ban) which made me laugh my ass off too. You couldn't think of a more cheater name if you tried

>>550905652
>>550906938
It's all about risk/reward and how that affects the overall violence level of the match. If the most powerful PvP equipment is very rare and hard to replace, then it's not going to be that common on the battlefield. People aren't encouraged to constantly PvP with the good shit since it will be hard to support the income stream to keep that equipment repaired and replaced. Most players will trend towards using weaker but more economical options for the majority of their matches. The extremely good shit ends up being reserved for when a player has a high value mission to complete on the map. They want to complete an objective in a high-risk area and get out. The good shit is insurance to help them win any 1v1, but engaging in unneccesary combat risks getting third partied when you're weak and bloodied.

In ARC raiders, the best weapons in the game are the grey ones. The barebones freekit versions of those guns aren't really that far behind their level IV versions. Everyone on the fucking map has a top-tier gun that can delete you in an eyeblink because it cost 2 sticks of gum and a piece of string. There's no reason not to just aggressively take every battle that you can because you lose next to nothing if you fail and potentially gain if you win. As players die, more and more players with S-tier weapons keep being tossed into the match.

The whole essence of extraction shooters is balancing risk reward. Balancing bringing a more powerful kit, but risking the loss of valuable equipment and sustaining the operating costs of that equipment. Do you run the most powerful stuff or something a bit easier on the pocketbook? ARC raiders completely dropped the ball here.

Bwos... where the fuck can I find Cooling Coils?

>>550917519
not gonna read all that. Have you seen this streamer TheBurntPeanut?

>I encounter Rocketeer
>die

>Peanut encounters rocketeer
>devs turn down the AI
>somehow easily escapes

>>550917041
frankly, games like this should prevent any steam account that has a vac-ban within a decade from playing. yes i know its easy to bypass by just making a new account, but still.

>>550904650
Watching TT2 footage I thought PvP looked fun and satisfying. The SFX were amazing and, surprise, shields mattered with heavy shields granting like 40 more EHP than they currently do. Fights lasted longer with multiple pauses, recoveries, and re-engagements that kept it tactical.
Playing on release PvP is nothing more than who shoots first wins. Fights are over in second it takes to dump 2/3 a mag. There's no nuance or skill involved. All I'm left with is the hollow feeling that I or some other guy just lost all his shit and there was nothing to learn from other than "don't get shot in the back."

>>550900496
i am a chunger who just got ratted on 3x as soon as I started to earn 70k or so each buried city run

explain it fag

>>550918681
>other than "don't get shot in the back."
Which, incase >>550904650 is too brown to figure it out, isn't always a practical thing to avoid in a game where:
>an aggressor can passively watch from a completely occluded ambush position and pre-aim his opening attack with the third person camera
>players frequently enter lengthy animations where their character interacts with looting menus.

Why do KoSratniggers desperately beg for attention here just to get no (zero) replies constantly?

Streamer update for everyone

Peanut is now streaming with our guy and girl Cloakzy and Gingy

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>you now remember people still actually play this game instead of just watching Peanut play

It's like remembering those savages on Sentinel Island who have no technology and haven't discovered fire yet

>>550909470
>sorry bro, I've never had a legendary weapon
Why do niggers always apologize? There's this weird dissonance where they act like they know it's wrong, but without any of the requisite shame. The are... apologetically shameless. That's the only way I can describe it.

>>550919761
Just textbook narcissism coupled with crippling irl loneliness

>pvetrannies are so terrified of interacting with pvp they just watch some faggot streamer do it instead
kek

>>550919371
I dont know but Im glad we ignore them

>>550919761
They don't actually have empathy. They just know that they're supposed to say sorry. It's like a parrot not understanding the meaning of the sounds that it makes.

>>550918681
Why the change? I wasn't around for the TT2. Was it not received well by others?

Peanut says salvaging your gear before getting shot in the back is cheating

>>550919991
Oh yeah, I forgot Dabrowski figured that out ages ago. Thank you for reminding me.
https://youtu.be/Wdl2BUXPYLQ?si=sXHJwkn4ccHNVbqX [Embed]

>>550919995
I see a lot of people saying that grey guns being S-tier and armor being worthless is a good thing because they're terrified of some tarkov situation where some scav with a 9mm pistol gets facerolled by a PMC with level 4 plates. This tends to get refuted by some actual tarkov players talking about headshots and leg-meta, but as a whole there seems to be a mass fear resonating with the gamerdads about getting overwhelmed by gear. Which is dumb because the geared players are hitting the high value zones and the meek scavs are probably picking up the pieces around the edges of the map.

>>550920043
I actually never even thought of doing that until Peanut said it on stream. It's a really funny idea and I'll definitely be doing it in the future to spite rat fags

>>550920317
this

>>550919462
Streamer update
https://x.com/benixbt/status/2002421971590779353
Peanut is now inside the jew york mainframe

>>550920287
The week scavs SHOULD be fighting over scraps. They do in this game too, just thanks to matchmaking putting the niggers together. The niggers only have themselves to blame. The MM was mixed at launch. They changed it after they dropped matriarch and niggers made it impossible to complete within 48 hours. If the game was balanced we could just deal with niggers like the subhumans they are, but since the mechanics suck the MM has to hamfist the lobbies to make them semi playable.

>>550920441
that's awesome, Peanut is awesome

>rats gaslighting themselves that they aren't horrible people for their actions because it is a "video game"
Kek. Never fails to make me laugh watching narcissistic sociopaths lie to themselves

Peanut has such good taste in music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsp7IOr7Q9A [Embed]

>>550921043
Crazy how common that excuse is

>>550921332
When it's not a videogame they switch to "dindu nuffin"

I had a coworker tell me he rats Spaceport towers for fun in Arc Raiders and I got a solid 20 uppercut kidney blows to his side before the manager stepped in

Is Cold Snap here to stay?

>>550921043
Yet they still say sorry

Haha hey guys. I'm new to extraction shooters. Are you excited for Marathon or is it just the worse Arc Raiders in every way?

>>550921517
I would have clapped
>>550921543
no but it's rumoured the next event has to do with toxic swamps, i'm gussing it lasts for as long as the free battlepass Flicking Flames thing

>>550921580
burnt peanut

>>550921580
I could be wrong, but it seemed Marathon was heavily PvP, it was even a Hero Shooter, and now they are taking 3 extra months to add "friendly" features because of how well arc raiders did

so it might be fucked, probably could have been a good pvp game, but who the fuck is going to play that game for pve, when some pvp sweatlord will stomp you easy for having 1000 more stats than you

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>>550921789
these pics are great

>>550921789
What a fucking whore

>>550894904
I've been playing since launch and have around 100 hours. I'm also confused as to the goal of the game.

>>550921682
Excuse me?

>>550921763
I didn't think there would be such a big difference in focus between the two. Sounds like Arc Raiders is more up my alley but since I don't have a PC good enough for it yet and it's been out for a bit I thought I might have missed the best time to join before everyone became too good at the game.

>>550918231
He's like jack sparrow based retard energy. The arc cant fuck with him because he has no plan

>>550922027
>Excuse me?
the nut

>>550922027
now is a good time to start, arc is supposed to be a casual game, theres even a reset for the tryhards in a day, in solos most people have turned to becoming friendly and not even shooting other people, it still happens, but running into tarkov players they are usually super happy that i'm friendly and this game isn't hardcore

personally I can't wait to start playing again as a noob

I'm not really looking into marathon because something about it feels off, at least with arc raiders you had basically monster hunter but with arcs, then they added pvp and random spawns and called it an "extraction shooter'

marathon was obviously a heroshooter, and now they are trying to turn it into an extraction shooter, because heroshooters are dead, and they want to make money, so everything past the PvP for that game is basically tacked on, meanwhile for Arc Raiders, it was made for PvE, and just happens to have PvP that a lot of people are starting to ignore (except in trios)

>>550922393
>personally I can't wait to start playing again as a noob
What really changes? You lose access to looter mk2 for an afternoon? You miss out on an anus snaphook for a bit if you didn't save the final stage of the flicker flames expedition for post-wipe?

>>550922847
leveling fresh too, you probably forgot what it feels like to play with minimum skill points for at least a few days
collecting blueprints again

I think that's it, this is a casual game that has an optional wipe, I don't think it needs anything crazy, and the system will only expand if they add more stuff to do that gets reset

at a certain point yeah, you can just go
>wait a minute theres not much to do in this game
>wtf I'm wasting my time
when that's the point of videogames, I'm just playing and having fun making temporary friends for the match

>>550921580
I NDA-played both.

Marathon does have a very cool aesthetic which I can appreciate, which is pretty much present at all times.
That said, the gameplay is essentially "Wow I love Tarkov, but I also like Apex Legends characters and a 3v3 focus- I wish some company could make a hybrid of the two."

Prox chat levels were at Tarkov levels or worse desu, and I don't trust Bungie at all with how they've handled Destiny 2.

Simply put, the casual competitive-extraction shooter has no viable target audience aside from people who like it's cool aesthetic, or the Marathon IP husk it drapes itself within.

If ARC's playtest (which I played around the same time as the other playtest) was around a 7-8/10, Marathon was a 4-5, carried by the art.
Seriously, the art is really cool. Character/weapon/sticker customization looked ass though. Also they brought in the Destiny triumphs in nearly 1:1 (which tbf is a boon)

>>550923121
Unless they rebalance the gear too, I don't see much changing.
>blueprints
lose their luster when the grey shit is meta. I thought that I'd like the snaphook blueprint but I've never lost one snaphook. The anvil BP is nice but I find spare anvils faster than I lose them. The trigger nade BP is probably my most significant one and that's a quest reward.

>>550922847
I'm unironically looking forward to the grind again. The game is fun. I enjoyed the grind last time, and I'll enjoy it again in a really cool skin. I'm looking forward to some balance changes that are hopefully to come, and there's still lots I haven't done. I still need to kill a queen. Hell, I still haven't even used my equalizers, because they're such niggerbait. I think I'll be taking more chances this time around.

>>550923345
I'm going to miss wolfpacks. Honestly, the only thing that I'd want or miss would be a battery, spring or simple gun part BP for the refinery.

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>>550921043
excuse me. its in the game so its fine.

>pick up osprey
>swap my secondary to it and plink arcs while waiting for elevator
>sell my gun by mistake

>finally found looting mk3 survivor BP
a shame

Let us name our guns, and have the game keep track who made the gun.

Give us cool premium weapon skins.

Give us premium execution emotes.

Give us premium raider flares.

Just take my money already!

>>550924551
>weapon skins
gross
>alternate executions
great idea
>raider flares
Could be good but could also be visually messy. I could see like a slot on your augment that lets you customize the flare though. (cheap craftable changes but also rare things like a lure grenade flare or something)

>>550924396
what container/what map

this game is coded stupidly enough that sometimes you can find the same items in the same places/containers

>special event pops up on a map
>grab a key for the map and run it
>always already fucking opened

getting real tired of this shit

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Is it an abusive father that causes this kind of beheavior?
https://files.catbox.moe/schpku.mp4

>>550925204
Probably, it sounds like he's repeating what someone said to him lmao

>>550924396
I have found 3 of them since the cold snap update, in blue gate, near the mantikor barricaded room
one in the room itself, the rest in containers in the general area

I wish I could just singleplayer those maps and explore without randomly getting shot from some guy sitting in a bush.

>>550925204
He was 100% correct. What's the problem?

Using all the gear I've saved up over the last two months tonight and losing it to stichers and anvils (as expected) was pretty fun but it would have been more fun if my 80k kits performed like 80k kits desu. I think next season I won't even bother holding on to pink weapons

>>550925712
I sold all my keys except the pinks after qing 4 times with a key and getting dropped in 10 minutes in.

>>550925204
Any ideas what this dude must look like irl?

>>550925204
If killing you was in itself such a big deal he wouldn't need to talk so much shit on the mic to try to make it humiliating for you. Obviously the flute annoyed him, thus the outburst.

KoSniggers are actually kind of flustered by chungus behavior in general, and I get it. These chungus NPCs are just quietly looting everything and you literally can't stop them, if you kill them they just slip into another chungus lobby and start speed-foraging again, whereas next game you get dropped into the killing fields. They're "winning" at a PvP game while refusing to even shoot back. What the fuck.

>>550925712
Yup. The only thing I am keeping is one stack of every mat, so in case these events come up, I wont have to roll a map 30 times to find a candle holder or a frying pan or some shit. Everything gets sold until they buff pinks and shields properly.

>>550906238
>HOW DARE YOU ENJOY PVEVP IN THIS PVEVP GAME GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE AND LET ME PVE IN PEACE REEEEEE
Sounds like this game aint for you, faggot

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>>550924906
Stella montis: day. I'm afraid that I don't recall with 100% certainty which container that it was, but it was within the sandbox control room. The central control room that has the potential sec locker spawn. I want to say that it was the supply cabinet looking container, but it could have been the android or the red toolbox or maybe a trashcan? I'm sorry that I can't be more precise. I didn't record it and I don't really have all of my faculties about me because of all the dang sinus pressure from this fucking cold that I caught. But it was definitely that control room and I'm 99% sure that it was in the upper level of the control room. You know how you open the doors into there and then in the middle there's like ~3 stairs that lead to a slightly elevated level with a bunch of control panels? I think it was up there somewhere.

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>4.8m
I'm gonna make it bros

>>550927030
I've gone from 2.2 to 4.3 in less than 48 hours, but the chungartha lobbies are beginning to get to me.
Since everyone knows they're in chungartha they always bring keys and I always spawn on the opposite side of the map from where I brought a key for.

>>550926878
that's good to know though, people speculated it was exclusive to that breach room on bluegate, but if people can get it from stella montis that's good

>>550927518
I hate that we have to rely upon rumors for this game but for fucking gacha games the rates are publicly listed. In japan I think they're bound by law to state the drop rates. I have a sinking suspicion that the swedes fucking hardcoded in the drop tables for every potential container spawn in the game.

>spawn into chungus stella 10 minutes late
>everything is looted
>even the shredders
I'm started to regret talking about how I was farming shredders.

>>550925204
this is what i imagine a lot of kos fags to be. they sound like they belong in gmod servers

>>550927869
yea its kind of annoying, they really should just implement a system where loot is exclusive to everyone, but idk how to do that fairly

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>chungartha matriarch runs are extinct now

>>550925204
lmao did he expect a battle?
this is the type of situation where people flex their pvpness and the type of shit people talk about with the ttk and think "well skill issue" and its like man, he only shot because
>he had cover
>you were busy
>he had a very clear advantage
like i dunno man. i fuckin hate the niggas playin this game like that. they wouldn't be talking this type of shit in any other shooter.

>>550927967
socialism uses the barrel of a gun. it works here too

>>550925204
Half asian by the sounds of it, he's quivering when he speaks premediated and practiced lines lol.

>>550927967
>they really should just implement a system where loot is exclusive to everyone, but idk how to do that fairly
Maybe for the queen/matriarch boss fights. If I were approaching that problem, I'd probably award some kind of token to players after a mission as a reward for damaging/killing bosses. Then have a boss vendor that they can exchange those tokens to. There would still be the normal looting to, but it would help solve the problem of the guy holed up in his little fortress so that he can stay safe from the freeniggers while he does 99% of the boss damage with this hullcracker/energy weapons gets completely cucked out of 100% of the loot by the leeches nipping around the heels of the boss.

As for the normal circumstances, the problem is the spawn system. 1: Too many people get stuffed onto each map each run. 2: WAY TOO MANY people get sent in late after players start dying/extracting.

>>550925712
The biggest value you can get from higher 'tier' guns is scrapping them to make attachments to your commons.

>spawn in with free kit
>18min spawn
>rattler
>opposite side of map from closest extract
>everything looted
>no explosives to suicide
>no cliffs to jump from
>no arcs left to kill me