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>>2295368 (OP)
I made a neutral template version too if anyone wants to make fun of other things.

https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Leaked Yorty Doc. Exactly what you'd expect from mango.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/wc3nax.png - Hall flowchart. Go left-liberal or get a fail state.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

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>>2295368 (OP)
>>2295371
>REWORK REVIEW
>"Plankton's New Order: Last Days of Bikini Bottom" somehow completely overshadows all of TNO's releases this year (low bar).
>French proposal and several US flowcharts leaked.
>Leaks confirm that TNO leadership elections are suspended until Mango's hand-picked leads want them.
>All of Latin America, the Caribbean, Iberia, Faroes, Iceland, Falklands and British Atlantic possessions said to have been added to the rework list.
>Only 1/3 of TNO's designers and writers make their draconian quotas according to new RT leaks.
>DV is not planned to release before Germany meaning that 2026 may be completely empty in terms of releases.
>Coding for the reworked 1964 US presidents has only just begun.
>Iberia facelift possibly releasing in Q1 next year. It actually seems fine!
>Insider anon says that Iberia is the only tag being finalized for release but notes that it's been in that state for months.
>Insider anon also says that Germany, USA, Manchuria Russia are in active dev but that neither is likely to see releases in 2026.
>Rises Again is updating their Iranian CW and is honestly making more changes than I can list here.
>We have so few news that I moved the leaked builds to the third post to make room for more USA and France leaks.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Making sure these aren't lost again.
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

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It's been a bit. This is all sourced from the internet archive.
TNO has basically stopped all growth as they have only grown by 5k in the past 4 months compared to TFR's 60k.

>>2295286 →
No joke it it seems like an alright update. Iberia has been neglected for years and there's nothing about it that seems crazy. I don't think it'll turn things around but I think it'll go over like Requiem's South Africa update or TFR's Kaliningrad Animal update after it was patched: it's fine, a few anons play it and post their reviews and talk about it, but that's gonna be it. Still, nice to have a TNO update on the horizon that might actually release and be a country anyone actually wants to play. They really should've released the Antarctica update alongside it by the way if it really is close to releasing. Antarctica vibes better with this season than autumn and at least then those devs wouldn't have gotten shit on like they did becuase Germany never releases.

>>2295406
>TNO has basically stopped all growth as they have only grown by 5k in the past 4 months compared to TFR's 60k.
Grim. Even if TNO somehow ends up winning it'll be a Pyrrhic victory at best.

>>2295406
This is like hecking Guangdong vs Manchuria mechanic!!

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>>2295376
>"Plankton's New Order: Last Days of Bikini Bottom" somehow completely overshadows all of TNO's releases this year (low bar)
>it's real
>Alex Yiik profile pic
>posted here a long time ago about making a spongebob mod
>I can't tell if this is genuine or pissing on TNO's corpse with that roadmap

>>2295412
From what I've seen via leaks and the devs talking about it. Iberia will around an 8/10 update, 9/10 at best and 6/10 at worst. The problem is of 2 things. 1. Lots of Iberia's content will get fucked due to DV messing up Algeria, and the SAW to where a lot of time was spent for nothing. #2 which also includes CA with this is that it is really damning on the V&J team to not have this update close when they have by far a larger team than Iberia. Lamouiner im still shocked has not been sent to the gulags for his incompetnece. I will enjoy Iberia as it is some European content for the first time in almost 2 years and will congratulate the Iberia team for their work since they seem like the only team do be doing shit as of now.

>>2295531
Both, probably. It's so funny lmao.

VP Full Flowchart: https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png
Hawaii Crises: https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png
Goldwater Tree: https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg
Wallace Tree: https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg
UK Flowchart: https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png

>>2295539
yeah i think that like Brazil i will enjoy Iberia, the problem is that every time an update comes it just shows how TNO just dosent hold itself up anymore. cant make new tags, only reworks, cant make any meaningful progress happening, and every update is plaged by constant back and forwards.

>>2295582
Merry Christmas to you, Leaker-anon!

>Leaks confirm that TNO leadership elections are suspended until Mango's hand-picked leads want them

Just to play devils advocate leadership elections seem like a bad idea. It just seems like it would slow down development and intensify clique infighting.

>>2295759
Were the old elections actual votes or just a deciding by consensus kind of deal?

>>2295759
It would now, yes. The system has been completely destroyed by them abolishing them after Mango took over. The leak just confirms the depth of the rot.

>>2295851
They were simple majority votes from a list of candidates.

>>2295582
So hilarious that Goldwater's path is all about him being le heckin evil anti-union anti-welfare guy that nukes Haiti.

What exactly is the difference between Goldwater and Reagan? Tno and otl

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>>2296069
Goldwater IRL is more of a hard libertarian (or at least campaigned as one) while Reagan ended up being the gold standard for conservatism until Trump reformed the GOP. It deserves to be mentioned that Reagan as we know him arguably wouldn't have happened without Goldwater's campaign and its influence on American conservatism. Both are pretty normal politicians all things considered with their own quirks and evolutions, but I won't get into them here. I'm sure some other anon has already started out writing about how Goldwater was shit because of his stance on the CRA or how the amnesty bill means that Reagan never stopped being a liberal. I say "normal" as in "they weren't insane". Goldwater was very unconventional for his time and infamously suffered one of the greatest electoral defeats in US history. Reagan, by contrast, can be said to have been one of the most successful US politicians of the 20th century. Neither were insane warmongers, and Reagan famously initiated détente with the USSR.

In-game Goldwater is currently a pretty hard-right small government conservative that goes hard on socialism and organized labor while his updated version is a villain-of-the-week that nukes blacks for fun and turns all blacks into indentured servants or some shit. No, the image is not a meme. Although I guess recreational nukes is very ancap, it was never a stance Goldwater advocated for - thanks for that blunder, Mango. Reagan on the other hand has a full bio in the Vote Pig proposal, you can read that though I'm sure he's been reworked fifty times already since then.

You can expand a lot on both I'm sure but this should be an OK primer.
t. some schmuck Midwest normiecon.

>>2296085
Mango giving us TND. Bless him, I hope we get to nuke the Congo as well.

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>>2296112
Mango's botched anti-Republican smear tactics once again becoming the only parts of the mod HOI4 players actually look forward to, ladies and gents.

>>2296116
Why do you think people will only be hyped for imperial nixon? Because it is the only fun thing that will not be a commentary about how the dems are so good and the gop is so bad. Its just one man wanting to be king of america. Which will be kino

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>>2296121
100%. Fasist dictator Nixon is unironically the only thing in Selection Suidae that I actually care about. It'll be so based and every single preachy event about Nixon strangling black toddlers to death that the Mangooner crafted will only reinforce how based his route is.

>>2296128
"Why do people only love imperial nixon?"

"What about my pages on pages about Sam Yorty!"

"What about showing that republicans are the real fascists!"

"What about all that time I spent on that GUI!"

I want him to only be known for imperial nixon, I suggest everyone playing it and glazing imperial Nixon. Fuck the Yorty path, fuck the 29 other paths that are not Nixon. Let him define it, and make Mango cry about it.

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>>2296141
I'm pretty sure that's already been guaranteed since day one. Literally the only thing QPQ and Mango's ever done that's been received positively is making Nixon a based leader that wins all wars for America and keeps being re-elected over and over again.

>>2296156
You think QPQ ropes after the flop. He seems like a massive fag to do it

>>2295406
its possible that after a certain point, growth starts slowing down. Just like in real life.
lets wait and see morre

>>2296085
Yeah I saw the toozer. Unironically love it,the Haiti proxy is too complicated and I want to have a “fuck you die”option to it. Thanks for the paragraph.

>>2296160
There is no way xhe does not.

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>>2296204
Same. It used to be that Huttig was the avatar of TND but now Goldwater will be. He's a Jew too so it even goes against their pretend-Palestinian LARPing by being a rare Jewish W.

>>2296209
From what I heard Wallace can do it so we can get even more TND. Thank you Mango you've made everyone love the Haiti proxy in some way.

>>2296215
Can confirm, Wallace can also do it. MFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vaB07Lc7Mc [Embed]

>>2296085
yes Goldwater is misrepresented, but at the same time the new goldwater is actually more interesting than the IRL one, so in the end i think this is a bonus. if i had any big criticism it would be that going so hard against socialism, in a world dominated by nazism, is weird for american foreign affairs.

>>2296390
>TNO devs ignoring the entire premise of their mod to write political fanfiction
I guess there's a first time for everything.

>>2296393
a lot of TNO is like this, but it used to be for unknown figures so it didnt really matter. Sablin is like this for example

>>2296396
Wrong, that's the opposite of what I was saying. A lot of Russian leaders have ahistorical traits but that's always explained in-universe by their entire society being destroyed in WW2. No, the person who Rurik II was irl never went mad and declared himself King after destroying his brain with vodka but I can accept it because his backstory explains it. He went mad because he was betrayed and the Red Army fell apart. It's extreme but I can suspend my disbelief and go along to the fiction.

Meanwhile Goldwater does TND and tries to crush the reds solely because Republicans are le bad. Yes he's more interesting just like Rurik but how does that make sense, especially when they made America more stable and otlist in the rework?

>>2296399
yeah i didnt understand your message prior you're right

You can actually pinpoint the moment TNO got taken over by these gaytheists on the commserver. Its when they stopped saying merry christmas and started posting "Muh trans rights" and " much fuck ICE". Sad!

>>2296202
Or maybe TNO has flatlined because it's in dev hell

>>2296202
Do you think reworking the entire mod from scratch and replacing their audience with one uninterested in playing HOI4 impacted their growth numbers?

>>2296528
It's like asking people about the Armenian genocide. Most say it did happen but you will always have a couple of dumbasses saying no. Same thing here most say yes but those cocksuckers in the commserver will say everything is fine and that its a good thing when intergrating shit submods like DV.

>>2296516
>>2296528
>>2296563
Yes I think those affected the mod and may have killed it but Im still accounting for the possibility there might be a growth ceiling for hoi 4 mods and etc. if the fire rises keeps growing fast after they surpass tno, then the tno team did indeed kill their mod

>>2297237
We know that the ceiling is a lot higher than TNO's. Just look at Kaiserreich or MD.

>>2297393
>looks at kaiserreich and md numbers
oh, oh thats fucking grim

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>>2297393
This pretentious pretender could never hope to even breathe the same air as the true Kaiser of the Workshop let alone usurp His rightful throne.

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Kazakh warlords are back on the menu

How much of a mangoite nudev fag is Big Weld? Havent seen more than his TND kino for tfo in a previous thread

>>2297928
He's in their camp but not a total retard. By some accounts posted here he started to slip after DV. In the current context of TNO, consider him a reformer, maybe?

God, what a bleak timeline where the hardcore ultrarealists of 2022 are the moderates of today. TNO is truly dead.

>>2297928
Isn't that the guy that said TFR had zero Chinese devs.

>>2298072
Yes, it is. Though tbf he hasn't been on the drama radar for quite a while I think.

>>2298067
>By some accounts posted here he started to slip after DV.
What a load of bullshit, he adjusted Africa setup in his mod to DV lore within weeks after the integration announcement, he's as retarded as all of them are

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>>2298097
Wrong and dumb. TFO was adjusted to DV years before it was made official. Weld bitched about them overstepping it though. Thus: Big Weld is like the reformist clique of an insurmountable political party.

>>2297393
The humble RT56:

>>2298122
I don't understand what this map (extremely outdated) is supposed to show, since everything presented in this Africa setup is bits of pre-DV lore, with Cameroon leading PALF and big-ass Congo Lake, for example. One thing different is EAW, which was a submod for TFO weld worked on before he became a lead lol.
You can go to their comm server, open 'dev-diary' (lmao) channel and read, or at least look at the map, about setup adjustment in the diary with a title that is literally named after this fucking submod.

>>2297808
Requiem on it's way to fix TNO's mistakes, so it seems. Does anyone know what their next update is about?

>>2298097
DV is not even integrated besides the congo lake, thats literally the only not new piece of TNO africa in TFO

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>>2298122
Thats old, retard

>>2298202
What about TRO how is that mod doing and is one of their leads another nufag?

>>2299625
It's dead, Jim.

If you were to make a COD campaign about TNO, how would you do it and why?

>>2299786
Something like Black Ops Cold War, duh

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>>2299786
>BLOPS but you're a Pakt officer that gets transferred between the three Reichskommissariats in the SAW
>Alternate between fighting judeo-liberal storm troopers from America in more conventional battles and then fight the ANC in guerrilla fights (not blatant propaganda to make you enlist btw)
>More clandestine operations against the judeo-liberal regime and its satraps around the world
>Fully compatible with Netzram with state-operated servers providing excellent ping times
A real gem from back in the day when the boomers in Germania were too decrepit and tech-illiterate to properly over-regulate the vidya market.

>>2299786
Worldwide campaign as a Werbell mercenary as you fight across the globe for the most unthinkable of factions.

>>2298181
Probably will be some touch ups in a few warlords, more content for Mann and integration with a few submods (Tsars and Soviets)

I posted this on Reddit, but thought it would be worth reposting here. It's just an idea ive been thinking up for speer lore, but I think it's a good idea,

How speer justifies rule in eastern europe

As we know, Speer doesn't care much for the well-being of the average slav in the east. All he is concerned with is maintaining regional stability and, more importantly, profitability for Germany. However, as all empires require a justification for their rule over their subjects, Speer would need one for the Slavs if he wanted their willing cooperation. Here is my idea for that justification:

Speer portrays his reformed Germany as a spiritual successor to the Russian Empire, specifically, in its desire to westernize under rulers such as Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. These Western-looking rulers and aristocrats were uplifting the Slavs; however, the revolt of the "biologically inferior" in the Russian Revolution reversed centuries of progress toward westernizing the East. Thus, the Germans had to invade to restore the natural order in Eastern Europe. Though there were some regrettable actions done by misguided German officials and "internal subversives" (read: Jews), Germany is willing to rectify those mistakes and once again restart the process of westernizing the east using Rosenbergist methods and economic development initiatives.

>>2302351
Of course, Speer wouldn't want the East to modernize too quickly; that would be a threat to German power. But Speer would allow loyal collaborators to become a sort of neo-aristocracy bound to Germany. The Slavs would run the grand plantations and factories of the east, but it would be a German in the metropole who would own them and profit the most from them.

In my view, Speer would set up a system where, instead of Germans brutalizing Slavs for German interests, it would be Slavs brutalizing other Slavs for German interests. A system of cyclical violence where new and old Slavic elites fight one another in a grand and eternal contest of who can serve Germany and her bottom line, the best.

>>2302351
>>2302356
Autistic.

>>2302351
Or speer could make up some geopolitical bullshit about how the reich's the third position between atlanticism and eurasianism which includes basically what was russian subjugated nations/former poland-lithuania

guess TNO is not getting a Christmas update or even a compatibility update any time soon

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>All other mods are getting meaningful Christmas updates
>TNO fans only get coal in their stockings
>It's courtesy of Paradox because the devs couldn't even do that
Kaiserchads keep winning.

>>2302835
This situation is so grim that they can't even release compatibility patches anymore or finish the Mango TCT mod that was supposed to be released this year.

Can anybody reupload the faction allegiances mod? The owner took it down for whatever reason and now I can't create my pan-european german economic bloc..

>>2303036
Was Vote Hog supposed to release this year? You might be getting it mixed up with V&J which was supposed to release in this year (after failing to release last year). I don't like Mango but I'm pretty sure there was never even an internal release date for 2025.

Doubt we'll see Election Piglet in 2026 either but let's keep it real here. The 2025 releases we were promised and denied were V&J and Iberia.

>>2303067
>V&J
Why do TNO devs only put their faggotry into America's content? Why is Germany, the big evil nation of doom, allowed to have good content?
>>2303059
do this right now

>>2303067
I was talking about the Campaign Trail mod that he and his clique are making called Project 2024, which they said they were going to finish to focus on vote pig. The problem is that the mod hasn't been released yet, and we're less than a year away from the supposed release of the US update.

>>2303075
Is it, really? Consider what the eternal Lamfag has done for Germany since taking over as lead.
>Goering removed, rework never
>Heydrich in dev hell (de facto removed)
>Burgundy removed (Himmler route de facto a hoax)
>Half a decade of Bormann reworks, no progress in sight
>Half a decade of Speer reworks, no progress in sight
>Every Pakt ally in Europe got reworked and most of them had their gameplay and wars removed
>All Pakt content in Afrika set to be deleted with his blessings in 2026
Not gonna lie, Mango has the upper hand on the Lamfag at this point. Even the ironically funny shit like imperial Nixon and Goldwater going TND on Haiti surpasses everything that the Brazilian Germanyboo ever made.

Holy shit, I just realized. We're in a timeline where Mango's the lesser of multiple evils. How the hell did this happen?

>>2303091
>Burgundy removed (Himmler route de facto a hoax)
please tell me this isn't fucking true
t. hasn't played TNO for 2 years

>>2303098
Burgundy is being deleted. Proof from sticky:
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - The France dev being forced at gunpoint by Lamounier to explain why Burgundy and its rework should be deleted.
https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne proposal. The intended Burgundy rework, now deleted. Germany will instead start out with current Burgundy being annexed, because muh realism.
Originally it was assumed that Himmler would get his own route in Germany (honestly a great idea) but five years later that's obviously never happening.

Everything you hoped for in 2023 is dead and buried, play KX instead.

> Toozer Submod releases teasers every day for Christmas while TNO cant release one

Were living in the final stages of a dead mod.

>>2303108
I think even this leak is outdated with DV changing so much in french africa. It might be the collapse of french west africa that starts the governmental crisis, But that assumes that algeria would be stable which it wouldn’t be unless the french crushed the algerians in the 50s with german help

>>2303305
They're outdated but they prove that Burgundy was slated for deletion before DV was even a thing. DV for it's part has destroyed all progress that the actual France devs made and forced them to write a new 200 page proposal.

>>2303372
The proposal that your referring too is also outdated considering it only mentions algeria as a french foreign possession instead of all of west africa. though we don’t have access to the algeria proposal im assuming france holding west africa wont really change much for mainland french content except adding more useless PP sinks

>>2303401
>The latest from-scratch rework is already dead and outdated
>They have to make a third (?) 200+ page proposal
Why do the devs on the team outside of the US/German cliques even put up with this shit?

>>2303462
they don't
the reality is there is no one actually working on that stuff except the handful of leads. everyone else quit or just shitposts in devcords and never does anything (leads do that too lmao)

TNO more like TND at the Kongo lake

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>>2303650
Posts like this is PRECISELY why the glorious devs need to delete that racist lake!

>>2303462
2 reasons

1. The updates they are working on is completley non-important to either of the 2 powers so it doesnt have to be picture perfect. This is why we are getting Chilean Antartica and Iberia

2. Because most of the other leads are just like Mango and Lamounier (I'm looking directly at France and Africa). Who cares more about writing then actual planning and deving. This is why I did not trash AB for CA because he is one of the few to do shit on that team plus the Iberia devs.

For all we know these reworks could be good content but we will only know if it ever comes out.

>>2299634
why?

>>2303810
I do actually like the ideas of the reworks in concept, mostly because i’m a racist and would love to preserve the colonial empires in africa. But the lack of a coherent vision from the get go plus a slapdash approach of adding new submods without first reworking the lore of countries effected by said reworks is really infuriating