Now that that's been dealt with, I've a question about an experience I had.
Earlier this year, I PM'd Memory asking for the Editor role, per this quote:
Samsara wrote:
There are no requirements to become an Editor, simply ask and you'll get the role.
What I expected to be a simple Yes reply ended up devolving into a back-and-forth that resulted in Memory rejecting my application. The conversation made me convinced I must have done something wrong, but to this day I don't know what that something wrong was.
(And for the record, I do not want the Editor role at this point in time.)
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Sorry, didn't see this while writing my previous post.
JD wrote:
Now that that's been dealt with, I've a question about an experience I had.
Earlier this year, I PM'd Memory asking for the Editor role, per this quote:
Samsara wrote:
There are no requirements to become an Editor, simply ask and you'll get the role.
What I expected to be a simple Yes reply ended up devolving into a back-and-forth that resulted in Memory rejecting my application. The conversation made me convinced I must have done something wrong, but to this day I don't know what that something wrong was.
(And for the record, I do not want the Editor role at this point in time.)
Since you decided to make this public, I'll go over the details of what happened publicly as well.
Memory initially asked you why you wanted the role, which is a completely fair question to ask. Instead of answering, though, you treated it like a personal attack and shot back at her, saying how it doesn't matter and that you should have already had the role. After this back-and-forth continued, in which Memory simply wanted to know your reasoning for wanting the role and you outright refusing to tell her, she told you that you don't meet the behavioral standards that we expect from site contributors, because you were entirely unable to cooperate with a completely reasonable question that we would ask anyone who wants the role. Your immediate response to this was to take your anger to me, demanding that I edit my post and accusing me of "misleading people" into thinking there are absolutely no requirements for Editor, despite the fact that barely a couple lines earlier in the post I explicitly said there are behavioral expectations that should be met:
Samsara wrote:
Contributors are expected to be active and helpful members of the community, not misusing their privileges.
If that's the way you interact with site administration, taking simple questions as personal attacks and arguing with us because we aren't doing things the way you like them, then I have to say I fully agree with Memory's assessment. You haven't shown that you can cooperate in a way that we would expect out of any site contributor, and in fact I would go as far as to say that you would be an active hindrance to the site if that behavior carried over into your contributions. Your post history, which seems to be made up almost entirely of the same impatient demands, criticisms, and backseating that you showed in our PMs, confirms that we made the right choice in turning you down for the moment. You need to be able to work with staff, and you've very much proven you're currently unwilling to do so.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
accusing me of "misleading people" into thinking there are absolutely no requirements for Editor
You literally said as much in the above quote. You can't say that ppl are required to meet behavioral expectations and that there are no requirements whatsoever (in the exact same post, no less) and expect ppl not to be misled.
Samsara wrote:
Your post history, which seems to be made up almost entirely of the same impatient demands, criticisms, and backseating that you showed in our PMs
When I ask something, I expect a response. And yet, hardly anyone responds to any of my questions. No shit I'd get impatient. And honestly, the fact you believe I wouldn't get impatient due to not having my questions answered in a timely manner is kinda concerning.
When I ask something, I expect a response. And yet, hardly anyone responds to any of my questions. No shit I'd get impatient. And honestly, the fact you believe I wouldn't get impatient due to not having my questions answered in a timely manner is kinda concerning.
As a staff, we try to do things as efficiently as possible around here. Yet we are all volunteers with lives outside of this particular site/hobby that often keep us from being more active than we already are.
It is not a fault on our part if we don't respond to your questions within a timeframe that you deem is "timely." When someone is able to repsond they will respond. What you personally feel are priorities for the site, may not be what the staff or greater community see as priorities.
TASVideos is a hobby, run by hobbyists, who still have to perform day tasks and engage in realworld activities. Always has been, always will be. The site doesn't (to my knowledge) request money, and the server itself is owned and paid for by a community member.
Under no circumstances should anyone expect this website to be someone's number one priority, and as such, things are going to take time sometimes.
End of story.
I am still the wizard that did it.
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JD wrote:
Samsara wrote:
Your post history, which seems to be made up almost entirely of the same impatient demands, criticisms, and backseating that you showed in our PMs
When I ask something, I expect a response. And yet, hardly anyone responds to any of my questions. No shit I'd get impatient. And honestly, the fact you believe I wouldn't get impatient due to not having my questions answered in a timely manner is kinda concerning.
Echoing the previous "We're hobbyists running this site in our spare time" posts, but also... This is literally a website where games are played and replayed one sixtieth of a second at a time over the course of potentially several months or even years, and yet it's kinda concerning that I would expect a regular visitor here to be patient about things?
JD wrote:
Samsara wrote:
accusing me of "misleading people" into thinking there are absolutely no requirements for Editor
You literally said as much in the above quote. You can't say that ppl are required to meet behavioral expectations and that there are no requirements whatsoever (in the exact same post, no less) and expect ppl not to be misled.
Personally, I don't think "Don't be actively antagonistic to staff at every possible opportunity" needs to be stated in any set of guidelines for any kind of establishment, let alone a website that you are actively trying to contribute to in a way that may require working directly with staff. I'd like to think that's obvious, but if you really think basic decency needs to be outright stated as a requirement to become an Editor then I suppose I can just ignore the fact that the Site Rules specifically say that uncivilized and disruptive behavior is not allowed and edit in the clarification.
Speaking of that site rule, I think we as staff are in full agreement that you haven't exactly been civil in your time here. First warning, officially. Watch your attitude from now on.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
I got a warning for pointing out that a forum post contradicted itself. Now I understand why OtakuTAS called you guys a hostile & cold community.
I'm done here. Do whatever you want.
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JD wrote:
Now I understand why OtakuTAS called you guys a hostile & cold community.
Imagine taking the side of a person who has been openly hostile to a lot of members of the community, a complete bigot, a person who has impersonated-- ME just to harass their ex-girlfriend, and most importantly a person who was openly ableist towards someone with parkinsons.
This really isn't the slam dunk that you were hoping for was it?
Au revoir~
JD wrote:
Do whatever you want.
Also what's with everyone trying to become a martyr about literally a nothing-burger?
Cause clearly you had no interest in hearing anyone out or being on-topic.
Just take the L, apologize and move on.
Wild. I wrote that twice in this thread now.
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I got a warning for pointing out that a forum post contradicted itself. Now I understand why OtakuTAS called you guys a hostile & cold community.
I'm done here. Do whatever you want.
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Posts: 2874
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JD wrote:
I'm done here. Do whatever you want.
Alright, done.
JD has been banned for one year. Protip for anyone reading this: If you're going to try and argue that your behavior isn't toxic, don't directly quote one of the most toxic people in the history of the site as if you were defending them, and especially don't do it as a response to the Admin that said user had targeted offsite with disturbing, bigoted harassment.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
