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>>107602701 (OP)
I have never met an actual competent developer that's against vibe coding. Literally everyone I know adapted ai and is now flying with 5.2 (opus got horribly nerfed)
he needs to get into a more competent social circle

does putting a vibrator in your butt really make you code better?

>reddit thread
this faggot is so scared of having to think, they even had the chatbot tell reddit how embarrassed they are for using chatbots

>>107602730
It doesnt make you better in chess, so it doesnt improve your hacking either

>>107602701 (OP)
>"...instead of obsession over architecture..."
Really funny considering the screen cap of >>107591299 →
>"We will have software architects and AI will do the programming."

>>107602701 (OP)
he created a proof of concept, but the code is likely awful. he's just not competent enough to realize that. there's nothing wrong with vibe coding as a starting point, but i wouldn't want to risk anything important to vibe code.

>>107602783
5.2 xhigh is a top 1% developer.

>>107602783
> the code is likely awful
Current LLM code is actually better than anything you can get from webshitters. Let's stop pretend you need perfect stuff for every crud app out there, especially if your retarded boss is asking for a new feature every week

>>107602827
it's great on small codebases, but as the code grows it gets messier and messier.

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>>107602701 (OP)
this reads like it was written by AI. OP probably used AI so much he adopted their speaking patterns lmfao.

fucking little subhuman freak couldn't even whine on his own, he had to get chatgpt to generate a post whining for him

>>107602701 (OP)
I bet this saar's code is real poolished.

>>107602701 (OP)
>It's not X. It's Y.

>who needs rigor lol

so we're not even making excuses for shit code anymore huh

>>107602946
Start with your grammar luddite.

>>107602727
>I had ChatGPT check your code submission and it couldn’t understand it so I’m not accepting it

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>>107602701 (OP)
>"vibe coding" isn't hated because it's bad

>>107602727
it is for sure useful. no denying that.

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>>107602727
Perhaps you and the plebbit person are using different definitions of Vibe Coding. The average competent programmer sees LLM coding as another tool they can use to create software solutions. They normally don't use the phrase "Vibe Coding". That's typically used by managers who never could get into programming beyond very basic sample code.
Managers dream of being able to get rid of all human labor below their level (but not at their level or higher). They desperately want their vision of Vibe Coding, where they babble off some half ass idea and the LLM returns a functional SaaS product that will sweep the market, to be real. Because they've never really understood software development, they lack the ability to evaluate LLM code production nor understand any of its fundamental limitations. They just see marketing messages about it "getting better" with each release so they assume the trend (that might not even be real) will continue until they can be the CEO of a SaaS empire, collecting endless revenue for the small expense of a Anthropic subscription.
They get angry when anyone points out the limitations of the systems or why LLMs unlikely to ever be the good little coding slaves the MBAbros believe wishing really hard will turn into reality.

>>107602742
and then posting it to 4chan

>>107603210
superman used to be based before the new owners castrated him

>>107602701 (OP)
Why should I? Have they earned the right to not be ridiculed for their lack of professional aptitude?
They are committing to the ultimate version of playing make-believe, and worse - are suckering others that can't know better into it.
They don't just deserve to be ridiculed. They deserve to be ostracized and treated as the parasites they are.

>>107602701 (OP)
pure vibe coding is a recipe for disaster. if his project was truly made 100% by AI, then what he made is incredibly simple because AI largely speaking sucks ass at making things work together. it's great at making small pieces of code that you piece together yourself though

If this is the vibe coding general then can someone tell me if Opus 4.5 is better than Gemini 3.0 pro? I have been using Gemini for awhile now for lua scripting projects but as of the past week or so it has been consistently shitting the bed, to the point I'm considering switching. It has been working great for me for months but now can't handle basic tasks without fucking up or hallucinating. Is it time to jump ship or is this temporary?

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>>107603286
True.

>>107603646
But enough art troons and programming socks.

>>107602701 (OP)
He didn't write shit, did he?

>>107602727
>Here's some anecdotal evidence, sirs!
thank u 4 ur input devansh and good morning to u

>>107602727
Vibe coding means writing software that is mostly or entirely generated code. Using AI to do menial tasks, analyze code, writing schemas or whatever is not vibe coding.

>>107602701 (OP)
>STOP MAKING FUN OF VIBE CODERS
I wouldn't make fun of my future clients.
Currently I am rewriting yet another vibe coded app and it's pretty nice. It's much better than having a client that has tons of conflicting immature ideas. Vibe coders usually come with barely working prototype and I can use it as reference without having to go through all this agile iterative bullshit.

>>107602727
>I have never met an actual competent developer that's against vibe coding
nice to meet you
ai for development is really a nice boost. the issue with vibe coders is that those monkeys create pull request without checking their own shit. sometimes quite over-complicated logic, checking of crazy corner cases, weak tests, comments to code is like 2:1 (e.g., "increase this variable by 1"). and then you spend x2-x3 of time reviewing it.
personally i would not accept any vibe coded shit unless the person will be on 24/7 shift later as well.

>>107602844
>>107602934
>>107604162
You're absolutely right! Great observation, Anons. [sparkle emoji]

>the code is so good!
lmao literally every competent coder hangout I know aren't worried about AI because the code is so shit.
They described it roughly as "code by that one intern you wish weren't hired".
They do think it's going to ravage webdev (no QA), at least until WASM has direct DOM access without JS, and entry level jobs though.

>>107603778
>it's great at making small pieces of code that you piece together yourself though
What is a mermaid diagram. Funny how your average /g/tard has 0 understanding of current tech

>>107602701 (OP)
>few people who tried my app liked it
Great now add some features without breaking everything.
>>107602727
/thread
>>107602844
>picrel
obsessed with twitter trannies award

>>107602701 (OP)
>instead of obsessing over architecture
Funny thing for the OP to add. Software architecture is about making a program maintainable. Yeah, your code works, but once new features need to be added, it has to be rewritten from scratch because no one can understand it and it's too big for the AI to fully understand.

>>107604198
That's actually a pretty good use case. Hopefully you don't get stuck into the hole that prototypes used to where upper manager saw the mockup and demanded it be rolled out immediately because to them it looked complete. That's part of the reason why mockups started to be created to look like sketches so upper management could understand it wasn't a finished product. As long as your clients understand what they vibe coded is only good as a reference of functionality, it sounds like a good process.

the average programming is shallow, which means that given the obious care:
>using good prompts
>testing appropriately,
>reviewing the critical parts
AI code will be of appropriate quality and done at a fraction of the time
Finally, if a sufficiently competent programmer edits, reviews and vets the AI code it stops becoming AI code and it becomes just code
Anyone not on board with those premises is either incompetent or in bad faith/political actor

We have too much software already.
Nothing good will come from churning out apps 10x faster

>>107602701 (OP)
vibe coders don't understand that just because it seems ok to them (amateurs) and to their users, doesn't mean there aren't massive issues with it like gaping security holes, bad data/resource/exception handling, or future maintenance headaches. We similarly don't call just anything with 4 wheels, an engine, and a steering wheel a street legal car either. Nowhere are noobs as overconfident as they are in IT.

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>>107603210
No one fuckin cares. Let them vibe code and miserably fail after hitting the reality wall.
Some will be disgusted after that, and some will keep trying and slowly learn how code works. It might inspire vocations.

The more trash code there is, the more clean code standout/becomes valuable.
All these gatekeepers really look insecure.

>>107604898
>The more trash code there is, the more clean code standout/becomes valuable.
>All these gatekeepers really look insecure.
Problem is there isn't always a firewall between trash code and real users. Would you be so laid back if it was you victimized in some way by their trash failing to work when it needed to, e.g. data leaks or service interruptions?

>>107602701 (OP)
>"Vibe coding."
WHAT?

>>107604881
Are you really complaining that our sector might have too much work?
Wtf even is that take?

> Noooo, there's too much money to make

>>107602701 (OP)
This reads like a linkedin post

>dude vibe coded an API endpoint and was proud of it
>looked at the code
>fucking API key is exposed and hardcoded in the javascript
>let team know
>they don't care
I feel like I need to hack them to prove a point, but then they'd probably fire me for vandalism or some shit.

>>107602701 (OP)
Why should anyone comment on code he didn't write? He wouldn't understand any of them anyways or even really consider them since he's already admitted he's uninterested in learning.

>>107602701 (OP)
I cannot wait to read the follow up a week later that the complete lack of security allowed someone to steal his and everyone else involved's payment info.

>>107604916
The market will self-regulate as it always did. It was the same shit with indian remote "taskforce" flood back in 2000.

> Noooo indians code is bad
No fuckin way sherlock. Corpos bet on it back in the days, but backpedaled rather quickly

why aren't we replacing vibe coders with AI creating the prompts instead?

>>107604198
Fixing vibe coded stuff is preferable to jeet/flip garbage because I can at least somewhat figure out what the bobot is trying to do by reading it.

>>107602701 (OP)
Isn't the point of vibe coding to allow the AI to code for you? Why would he want human coders giving feedback on his code? If they say it sucks, then he should just ignore them.

>>107602701 (OP)
it is context engineers now.

get on with the times grandpa

>>107602727
I think everyone understands vibe coding differently. Using it and reading the output, iterating on it is not vibe coding. Vibe coding was the thing that the author of that post about it said - accepting everything the "AI" outputs without checking anything. I think people are mostly against this, not any use of "AI".

In my opinion software development was already dumbed down significantly - the piles of shit abstractions made everything shit and inefficient. Instead of doing even more shit faster, people should either start writing more performant, less bloated code and/or adopting formal verifications and write proofs.

>>107604928
see >>107604916 and >>107604962

and I don't think we'd have a ahortage of work if people stopped writing garbage. My frustration as a user of constantly running into garbage products/services failing spectacularly at simple usecases that shouldn't be a problem since 20 years ago plus the frustration of having to work within such code is greater than my worry about job security.

>>107604968
That's basically what coding will become in the future. Managing dozen of agents specialized in tasks like debuging other agents output etc...
Coding right now is not that far DESU, since it's all about pre-made frameworks, libraries and make everything work together.

>>107602701 (OP)
they're afraid

>>107604978
but then he won't get any attention for his ragebait

>>107604930
Sounds fake as fuck.
All the ais I tried so far would warn me of something like this, even on the first prompt, at this point the problem is the user or the dude was trying a local 4b model.

Also:
>ai can only steal code other artists made!
>ai generated code is shit!
pick one

>>107605010
>That's basically what coding will become in the future
just two more weeks and another trillion dollars

>>107602844
That's because AI image gen models are good enough to replace the artist 90% of the time.

For programming it just writes small utility functions and webshit, that everyone can create by copying and pasting from Stackoverflow. Just more slowly.
A real programmer's livelihood isn't really at risk yet.

>>107605008
Trash code won't survive, it's the law of the nature all over again. Only indian level/newbie coders will have to deal with it.

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>>107602701 (OP)

>>107605044
If you think we'll keep managing and maintain all these libraries and dependencies non-sense like caveman, then you don't know how autistic men are when it comes to automation.

>>107605066
not surviving isn't the same as not manifesting in the first place. Even if it gets thrown out after some time, devs and users will be forced to put up with it for some amount of time and a significant number of complaints needs to be made (for which many people don't make time anymore because goddamn I'd be emailing companies every day now if I still wanted to do that)

and if there's anything I've learned working for both private and govt, it's that their momentum is INSANE, it takes years and years for anything to actually be thrown out even after acknowledging it has to go

>>107604978
>Isn't the point of vibe coding to allow the AI to code for you?
speaking as a vibe coder, you need to at least be able to gauge the output of what it makes. if you were using it to make a mod for skyrim, just as an example, you could tell if the code worked based on what you, as a guy who knows skyrim, see when it runs. So then you can tell the AI "hey, I don't know why, but when I press E it does the wrong thing instead of what I told you to do, look into it", and by doing stuff like that you will almost always get it to work after a bit, unless what you're doing is impossible, in which case it will hallucinate fake solutions because it is programmed to never tell you no.

So human feedback is actually very useful because they might look at the code and say "well you need to do X and Y to make this happen when you press E", and then you feed that to the AI and it instantly understands now that it has additional context, and you get what you want.

That said this guy is retarded, vibe coding has a stigma and venting like this is just asking to get roasted.

>>107605107
If you have to deal with buggy vibe code, then maybe you should consider changing company/position. It's not like there wasn't work everywhere in our sector.

>>107602730
yes, new meta
hasn't been updated since programming socks

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>>107604772

i'm all for ai vibecoding because it's the one thing keeping me employed

>>107602701 (OP)
>AI slop code
>AI slop reddit post
What a pathetic human, lol

>>107602701 (OP)
I don't like vibe coders, but the people I truly could never respect are those that use AI to write for them (like the redditor here). I stop reading the moment I notice AI generated writing because there is an asymmetry between the effort the person spent to "write" and the effort that I will have to spend to read and understand what was written.

Whenever I see an AI-generated post, the foremost thought I have is that the person who "wrote" it must have a brain that has completely atrophied from doing nothing all day but proooooooooompting and being a paypig for model providers. It signals one of two things: You don't know what to write and so you're asking AI to have even the most high level thoughts for you, which means there is literally zero authenticity or originality in your post, or you know what to write but feel the need to embellish it because of some personal insecurity (it's "too simple" or "too short" or "too ungrammatical"), and you do so in a way that disrespects your reader's time.

PS: There's no denying Generative AI is a transformative technology that is already quite useful for programming and will only become more useful in the future.

>>107605664
Just have an LLM summarize the post for you.

>>107605664
>redditspacing
kys

>>107605133
I'm the whitest man on earth I burn in the moonlight my skin like frozen milk underwater and you dont know whats going on thats plain to see I look at you and I see you play art games maybe old fishing games on the ps2 but thats about it nothing with any real substance or purpose kinda like a house that looks like a house outside it has walls and windows and a roof but then you go inside and theres nothing in there not even any other walls but there's a basement and you look downstairs and theres nothing there either just a big open empty space kinda like your fuckin skull when i get done with it

I'd really like to see AI asassins. Deadly, agile robots that are proficient in the use of a vast array of ranged and melee weapons. Robots that basically solve, "problems."

Vibe coders is a thing of the past - I have AI doing everything for me, including the vibing. It generates ideas then generates prompts for itself, tests itself and fixes itself. Automatic, efficient, timesaving, productivity-increasing. Adapt or be forgotten

>>107605133
>if AI can't do it it's impossible

>>107602701 (OP)
Would you want to drive a car that was "vibe engineered"?
It's nice that their app works, but I'm not going to trust it to keep my personal information safe or to perform correct calculations. That means that even the most basic apps you can imagine (todo list and calculator) are off limits.

>>107602701 (OP)
I hope they'll invent AI cocksucking soon

It's gonna be incredible when the specs of phones go backwards and suddenly nothing will run on them anymore.

>>107604507
>t. doesn't understand that making a diagram and having things actually work together is 2 different things once you start introducing business requirements.

>>107602727
I’m against vibe coding. If you ask just about anything from the AI with a semblance of thought put into it and with enough arguments it’s going to be like
>that’s such a good idea we should totally do that here I changed a bunch of files
You need to tard wrangle the AI and vibe coding to me is letting the AI do whatever it wants. I think there’s a difference between using AI and vibe coding. But I can see it working for simpler apps

>>107606457
>noooooo my OS absolutely NEEDS 24gb of RAM to operate!
Who is to blame? The companies making all this bloated nonsense, or the people who keep buying it?

>>107606488
The companies. They're the ones leading the horse to water. You can't blame the horse for wanting a drink.

you had a nice bubble but now it's over, should have gone into a real field codemonkey man

>>107606549
>you had a nice bubble but now it's over
I just spent $1300 on gaming accessories retard. also a humidifier and some lotion. meanwhile youre broke youve got nothing youre probably checking out the dumpsters when the pizza places close hoping for something warm n good but only somtimes you get it

>>107606242
*impossible with the knowledge the AI has.

I am well aware there might be a solution, but it isn't possible for me to reach with AI. I might not know that, but I DO know when it is feeding me bullshit. So what you do then is go to someone who knows what they are doing and ask "hey, is this possible?" and even a yes or no will send you on the right path. I'm well aware I'm not a "real" coder, I have no aspirations of being one. I just want the thing to run and I can reliably get it there. I'd never use it for anything involving money or lives, just fun little projects. But it definitely has a use case and can get me results.

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>>107604420
puh, finished polishing this vibe code, now everything is translated properly and the exported webm is not cut if the font size is set to maximum, now i'm satisfied

>>107607176
hey faggot. what was the point of calling me a faggot so many times, you faggot

>>107607191
I just like calling people here faggots, faggot
Nowhere else am I able to do so without consequences

>>107602701 (OP)
I vibe-coded a system to auto-Shazam my local radio station because they refuse to post the small song snippets they use at the top of the hour and stuff. Also a practice game for Plover that's close to those old typing tutor games because apparently no one has thought to do that yet.

I'll never call myself a programmer, but I'm glad this stuff's an option because I wouldn't have gotten anywhere with these ideas before them (and believe me, I've tried).

>>107607293
This sounds like a nice vibe-project, Anon. Vibe-projects like this sure are great for niché products.

I wouldn't call myself a programmer either, but having this opportunity to realize ones ideas is great. This is the closest thing I ever witnessed by the saying "Power to the people".

>>107602844
It was written by AI. It's those stupid fucking smart quotes that give it away. AI killed proper punctuation and em dashes.

>>107604916
Yeah, because we all know REAL CODE written by REAL HUMANS is a perfect divine creation coming straight from Dijkstra himself.

>>107605037
Other people's code is shit.

>>107607452
note mine. I write more comments than code.

>>107607353
>This is the closest thing I ever witnessed by the saying "Power to the people".
it's like saying youtube and google search is the closest thing I ever witnessed by the saying "Power to the people".

>>107607475
but this one is kind of different, youtube is just for sharing videos, google is for searching things, and AI can be used for many things

youtube didn't teach you how to record and edit videos (yes i know what tutorial videos are) but youtube as a platform did not provide this automatically

google didn't write you an answer to your question, and nowadays it's an ai doing this

ai is different, you just say "give me xyz" and it provides, quality aside

>>107607534
training kids to rely on ai to answer questions will lead to the extinction of the human race within 20 years tops, which i'm all for

As a software engineer, I dont give a fuck about vibe coders and hope whatever theyre building suits them well. If they can manage to build themselves little scripts and apps honestly think thats good overall. It creates more economic value and maybe more jobs for people (inc engineers.) still, we dont like having to fix vibe coded bullshit or having vibe coders tell us to "just vibe code it bruh" when we're having to fix your bullshit that inevitably breaks. so i guess if both sides can stay in their own lanes that is fine.

if your unit test doesn't have the HUMAN touch it is slop and not fit for purpose

>>107602701 (OP)
Engineers being anti AI is a self report that they're retards who can't prompt properly. I've been programming for 25 years and for the past year it's been 100% vibed and I've shipped 20x as much. I will not stop.

I'm still waiting for a single vibecoded app that isn't shit. Any day now I'm sure...

>>107607838
What is vibecoding? Telling the AI ideas and seeing the agent code stuff or asking concrete things like implement BFS on this tree?

>>107602727
>vibe coding.
you don't know what vibe coding is nigger
a developer using cursor for help is not vibe-coding

vibe-coders are people who do not know how to program, but use AI to shit out toy apps and think they are actual programmers now

>>107607892
>nooooo you're not a real coder
>nooooo you're not a real artist
>nooooo you're not a real writer
>nooooo you're not a real musician
Why is it that everyone who hates AI eventually admits that their problem is their threat to their ego and their identity?

>>107607452
So using ai or not makes no difference, good to know

>>107602701 (OP)
I've fired three devs in the past year for refusing to use AI. Dead weight productivity thieves are a fucking cancer in this industry.

>>107602783
>nothing wrong with vibing as a starting point
That is literally the worse time to vibe. It will generate an architecture and code that you won't understand and will be a huge pain to maintain. Its better to have a preexisting project or use a very opinionated framework and work from that. Then you at least understand what you have built and know where to look when things break. I mean look at the tea guy who was using a plain text database.

>>107607861
vibecoded = aislop code, especially when prompted by someone with no knowledge of programming
but for that matter I'm waiting to see any ai coded or even ai code assisted app or software that isn't shit
I guess I just want to see any software that isn't shit, now that I think about it.

>>107602783
I think AI tools provide the most benefit when you're already decent at something. Not great, but not shitty either. It's a huge accelerant. If you're already a pro, it's only a minor benefit. If you don't know what you're doing, then it'll probably just help you fuck things up faster.

>>107608043
I tried a few of the big free online models earlier in the year and wasn't able to get anything useful out of them. The code they write would have comments that made it sound like it would do exactly what I wanted, but the code itself would be nonsense that wasn't even close to working. That was for C++.

>>107607838
Every time an AI evangelist links their project it's inevitably a SaaS tool to generate AI prompts or yet another AI "agent" (a while loop with some markdown files) or something else equally retarded. The whole ecosystem is idiots selling to bigger idiots.

>>107602727

chances are you probably never met a competent developer

>>107608109
And you're not the exception, colossal faggot

>>107602701 (OP)
I vibe coded a peer to peer internet page builder. Really just a proof of concept, but it was fun. I'm not a coder or I'd take it further and do a proper version. Ideally it would be a discord style thing where everyone can have a forum, personal site, and chat room all separate from https. Randomly generated urls.

And today I vibe coded a roguelike where you have to type in answers to math to fight monsters. Gets harder every floor starting with addition and moving onto multiplication, division, pemdas, simple algebra. For my kid. Works pretty well.
But I know I'm a no coder. People shouldn't pretend otherwise.

>>107602701 (OP)
I was in the same view a few months back now it's serious vibe coding is the future

>inb4 it's not real code

as not real as using c to not code in assembly and in assembly to not code in 1s and 0s and python to not code in 0.

As a general ruler programming evolved from lower level languages to higher level languages, vibe coding is the future, low level coding like c will still exist but only for some high level technical stuff at the end of the day vibe coding will be tools that translate the ultimate higer level language (human speech) into low level code.

I tough it was not going to happen and this would be the last thing automated but anyone that tried opus, gpt 5.1 and gemini 3 knows coding as a specialized job ends this year, in fact if opus was not on bitcoin 2011 level were nobody knows of it it would have already ended.

2026 vibe coding becomes master level code
2027-2033 will still be gatekept by mostly milennials that know the why of stuff from a tech background but maybe don't even get the code
2033-2037 will be newcomers as tools like github are integrated into pre armed solutions of the previous gen vibe coding tools

This is why there is an ai arms race it's not about funny images, the ones that train the best coding tools will make trillions and those that fail to do it now will never be able to do it in the future as coding will become an esoteric topic for a few high level autists

>>107607590
I spent 20 years practically begging to be let into numerous productive communities (hackers, artists, gym rats). No one likes me, I have no way of becoming someone people like. If you don't want people to turn to the robot, you've got to give them someone else to turn to. Wish I didn't exist? Too bad, I'm already here. Even in death I'd be a burden. The LEAST troublesome version of my headache existence is me sitting in my apartment talking to the electron box thought black hole and not bothering anyone.

>>107608560
>when you're this fucking stupid
cringe

>>107602701 (OP)
I'm glad AI is exposing the bullshit job market, I work in the cut throat industry of transportation and logistics and everyone in my field is racing to the bottom to perform a transport and logistics operation for as little as possible but the cracks above in other industries is showing how valuable my industry is, it's one of the few real™ jobs that is one of the more difficult jobs for ai to automate

>>107607944
Based

>>107608881
I wouldn't be so sure.

I think the future of trucking is fully automated transportation on the open roads, and human drivers when inside busy areas like cities.

>but the computers will have to drive slower to be safe
that's more than made up for by the fact that they can drive 24/7

>>107608962
they're going to need someone in the truck to deal with bandits, at least in the USA

>>107602727
.t nocoder
the exact opposite, I've never seen a real programmer that wasn't saying that AI was a pile of shit

>>107602722
FPBP.

>>107602701 (OP)
I'll stop making fun of vibe coders when they lrn2/code/.

>>107609083
There are no truck bandits in the USA.

>>107607937
>3D print a shitty cube
>i'm an architect guys!!!

>>107608962
last mile is where the money is in that industry anyways, long haul sucks and expanding freight rail capacity makes a lot more sense than automated train trucks. Automating last mile is one of the hardest parts of this industry, white collar information processing work would sooner be automated than last mile grunt work

>>107602701 (OP)
Vibe coders deserve to get bullied.

>>107604105
I have noticed opus 4.5 take a dive as well. I'm using gpt 5.2 for coding now but Gemini3 for everything else

>>107602844
It’s wild how literally only artists realise this is a bad thing and are not falling for the boiling frog trap. If I go right now on Patreon and look at the broad statistics I find out that artists didn’t actually get replaced and are still doing relatively ok. Meanwhile corporate codefags who love AI see complete drought in junior positions, highest unemployment of all college majors and almost weekly mass layoffs (even if they are done to then rehire jeets, they will still fire you and tell in your face it was AI and because AI gave them the excuse). Lawyer intern positions are doing similarly terrible and so does HR and other office jobs. This shit will consume the economy or crash the economy from malinvestmemt.

>>107609677
there is something I read about AI a few weeks ago
>either the AI bubble pops and causes another great depression or AI succeeds and causes another great depression

>>107602727
>is now flying with 5.2
you gotta be trolling.

ChatGPT is fucking HORRIBLE at "coding". Hell, they all are. They can give you boilerplate pretty quickly. After that there is so much trial and error you end up wasting an entire day going back and forth. The GPT ui sucks so bad, at least Gemini was made by web developers. GPT freezes and after an hour you have to start a new chat.


It's actually TERRIBLE. Having spent so much time with "AI" I'm convinced we arent going to get this super human shit they think is going to happen. Not with LLMs anyway.

Great for writing a complaint letter to your landlord or replacing google for quick info, but after 3 or 4 prompts it is gimped. And now you can tell they are trying to save on tokens so it wont even give you back the file changed, it says "Oh replace this line with this line". It just sucks, I'm kind of surprised more people are angry at ChatGPT. I guess if you are indian or something AI is pretty good but as a first worlder it's like having a really dumb assistant.

>>107609677
No, the rest are just stockpiling popcorn now that we're done with energy generators, water purification and such.

>>107606260
Jeets are already a thing.

>>107607590
There will always be exceptions. This is the biological function of outliers, especially the wilder ones. The majority will be extinct, sure. And considering what the racial makeup of the present majority is, that's definitely a good thing. A great reset, so to speak.

>>107602844
>triplets
>it's not x it's y
>weird ellipses
It was. I wouldn't hate AI bros as much if they actually just used it as a tool but they get obsessed with it and use it for everything. You can't even talk to them online you have to talk to their frontend rewriting all of their text for them. I am giving you thoughts from my brain give me yours back in return. I don't have the words to describe how not speaking back to me with your own words is some basic instinctual fundamental violation of human socialization and extremely fucking rude and I am not going to ask a robot to find the words for me to express how this makes me feel.

>>107610205
The only real solution is to turn 360 degrees and walk away.

>>107610205
They don't read at all so they don't realize how obvious AIslop is to anyone who does
Half of them are ESL (mostly Indian), too
You couldn't talk to them anyway because they can't from coherent sentences on their own

>>107610334
AI way overuses it
No human writer would say "AI, intuition, and rapid interation", it sounds forced and unnatural

>>107610228
But I love me puter friends
>>107610325
I'd rather they write in their own language and auto-translate, even if it's AI doing it, then speak broken English and turn into AI English. Translated text isn't as soulless. People have conversations like this on Twitter all the time.
>>107610334
Nigger

>>107602701 (OP)
>made the mistake of being honest
no, he made the mistake of assuming what he's doing is socially acceptable. which he should honestly, dunking on midwit luddites is always a good thing. in fact anything worse off for society is good news for an accelerationist

>>107602701 (OP)
Why would i make a clown out of a circus?

Depends what vibe coding means whether it's bad or not. Just prompting to let AI build everything without supervision is dumb. AI assisted step by step planning and building is great. Also Cursor's project-aware autocompletion and jumping is a killer feature.

>>107602701 (OP)
You've always gotten made fun of for shit code ever since coding was possible. Vibe coders think they're off the hook because the funny predictive text machine did it for them? Fuck off.

>>107602722
fpbp

>>107608836
>t. stuck in 2023

Nigga i am not talking about future stuff, opus 4.5 is already on the other side of the border of "holy shit this thing is for real", codex 5.2 and gemini 3 are still on the other side of the border but not that far away from opus.

And if i am going to be honest codex is only behind because they put personas over it and thus does not interpret orders that well, i am not sure if the layer behind the personas is that far away from opus

Vibe coding will become mandatory even for low level coders to avoid problems such as the mars probes crashing due to different meassuiring units, in 30 seconds analyzing a codebase manually created an ai will find flaws like this.

Sure they won't let companies scan critical code bases such as fighter jet or military things, but you are sure as hell that there will be tools to scan for errors or weakness even for harder level code.

If you think i am making shit up try opus you won't believe how advanced this shit is becoming, coding as a job for 95% of coders ends in late 2026, after that the autists that understood general code structures but were not that good at code become king for a decade.

After that even normies will be able to do stuff as companies will offer code, test and deploy solutions all in house, this is the end game of going from binary to assembly to c to python, to browser languages, we have reached the last level code language that can be compiled and it's human language, you can seethe or get in before the rest.

Just like mars probes crashed due to retarded errors such as using inches and metric units together many things will start to be hacked soon like old crypto smart contracts simple because non controlled ai models like deepseek get good enough for hackers to use it to scan old codebases.

It's not the end game for coding but a new era and you better stop seething fast.

>>107604105
Opus is better overall for front end and back end big projects, gemini better for UI , gpt better for individual error detection and algorithmic solutions however it seems to have a small context window as such it's persona will start to bullshit you the bigger it's stuck at a problem.

As a general rule you will need to understand game theory and logic to make it with this tools as they will end up getting stuck in recursion in problems, i shit you not i had a problem with opus and motherfucker asked me to ask chatgpt and gemini for ideas, it told me gemini idea was too academic and chatgpt correct but resource intensive and then found a solution mixing both ideas.

That said i believe Gemini is behind opus due to being a lazy fucker and chat gpt due to it's persona starting to bullshit as it losses context (hence sam buying most of the planet ram).

But by eoy 2026 this thing will be next level

>>107611173
>>107611281
Only in one year? Damn, it is going to be ready about at the same time as fusion at this rate.

>>107611303
>Only in one year? Damn, it is going to be ready about at the same time as fusion at this rate.

If you have tested opus instead of being an ass here you would actually start to question if we are going to get fusion energy, robotics and a whole lot of tech discoveries thanks to AI.

Opus 4.5 is the line of "holy shit this thing is for real" once you realize this thing actually transform human language into low level code you will start to consider that fusion may be ending up appearing thanks to AI.

The interesting thing about AI in coding is that it's evolving the whole AI in other fields because copy and paste just simply don't work, google, anthropic, chat gpt and others are trying to make these things find innovative solutions to avoid the whole recursion stuck at a problem thing.

This is the start of the third industrial revolution first will be human language into code but then things will get crazy as people will start to use these things to even design industrial parts, then robotics will cause massive deflation.

I was an unbeliever like you until i say shit like nano banana (that crap destroyed graphic design as a job due to how good it is), i tough the whole code thing was a meme until i tested codex, gemini and opus, codex shocked me because it actually was relatively competent but eventually get stuck in big problems and it's almost impossible to rescue it from there.

Opus crossed the line of "holy shit", this thing will trigger an industrial revolution and the most deflationary event in human history.

I am seriously create an idea, refine a prompt into 1600 lines and fed it into this shit, you won't believe your eyes.

>>107602701 (OP)
How long until AI can disassemble and decompile/reverse engineer apps/programs? By then the entirety of applications (past and ones currently in use) will just become part of the AI coding database, you will ask it to write a program, or entire suite of programs, a kernel, an entire os and it will just do it.

>>107607892
>a developer using cursor for help is not vibe-coding
gigacope

>>107609699
>giving everyone the information equivalent of an autonomous tractor can only result in massive poverty
you fuckers are completely delusional

>>107608019
>That is literally the worse time to vibe. It will generate an architecture and code that you won't understand and will be a huge pain to maintain
have you tried
you know
studying the fucking code

users being retarded doesn't mean the tool is bad. otherwise go on /diy/ and start shitting on basic tools because tradies are dumb thirdies

>>107611567
Less diversity in competition skill gaps means the plebs will get standardized around dogshit median of income yeah

>>107611382
I will now pay for opus and vibe code the next google.
Thanks Mr. AI anon!

>>107611588
This implies that there's no skill gaps in ones ability to run these new tools, which is decidedly not true

>>107611604
A vibe coder bringing results he understands or can learn quickly is still a bad culture fit in a bitter sweaty tryhard collective, which you still need in the workplace to get core things done

>>107611604
This is what everyone is failing to see, this tool allows a 100iq retard make a copy of amazon or ebay in two weeks by himself, this on first stage will reduce arbitrage power of existing structures hiden behind massive pre existing power and big codebase.

But then it will also trigger an ai arms race to the point that 5 people could make a game like players uknowns battlegrounds in 3 months by themselves from scratch.

It will be deflationary and at the same time stimulate the economy, and this is not including robotics deflation that will come in stage 2.

Those that see the big picture will get rich as fuck, previous era of tech made rich codemonkeys with tunnel focus on single thing and startup entrepreneurs with a lot of balls to ask investors tons of money to risk in retarded ideas that some times made money, those startup entrepreneurs in general had a guy or hired a guy as a consultor that gave them the know how of what they needed to hire to start developing their products those guys were as a general rule programmers that sucked at programming but understand the know how and the why.

Those MF will become filthy rich, they will now have the tunnel focus power of code monkeys and will be able to do what entrepreneurs do it by themselves alone shit is insane but there is still a pretty big level of abilities you will need to use these tools correctly.

>>107611567
You need farmland to make the tractor useful. If you don’t have a farmland then your tractor is useless. Oh, look, the big farmer magnate that employed 2000 farmhands now has free tractors, I guess he won’t need to pay those 2000 farmhands anymore, just hire 20 tractor drivers. But hey, the barrier to being a farmer was never lower, now everyone can be a farmer with their own tractor, please ignore the fact that only 3% of people actually own the farmland, everyone can be a farmer now with their free tractors.

>>107602727
>I have never met an actual competent developer
fixed that for you. vibecoding is a fun hobby, and it's great at building simple toys that run locally, but in no way should vibecoded software leave toy-land. if you can't comprehend why, you'll never be a competent developer.

>>107613371
If you're a competent developer you can give specific instructions on how the LLM should achieve a task and verify the quality of its output yourself

>>107613385
This takes longer than just writing it yourself.

>>107602701 (OP)
>building differently
yeah when I vibecode an app that exposes raw db connections to the user, that's just me "building it differently"

>>107613397
No. Both tasks require the ideation step, and writing out the instructions takes a minute or two. Both steps require a "review" phase of sorts as well, unless you're larping like you're some sort of god programmer

>>107613440
Wasting time to review buggy llm output and making sure it is sane is obviously more time consuming than just doing it from yourself from the getgo.

>>107613468
I can tell you've never worked with a good agentic LLM and are relying on dogma

>>107613476
Reviewing and understanding someone else's code is always a very time consuming process. Assuming the hypothetical here is vibecoding some random application, you're going to have to thoroughly review whatever output you get. Likely, the implementation and design will have several quirks that need to be fixed, so you have to go back and iterate on it (either more prompting or fixing it manually). All of this takes time. Whereas if you just programmed it yourself from scratch, you can get into a sane prototype state faster than the time spent babying an LLM.

AI tools are okay for things like basic boilerplate, one-off scripts, and test harnesses, but they should never be used for code that actually runs in production (unless you tighten the scope so much that you might as well just write it yourself). they're basically like super cheap junior devs: eager, aware of the latest tech, and can spit out a module that kinda works, but at the end of the day they don't have good judgment, especially for cross-cutting or long-term horizon issues.

I will say though, we haven't hired juniors in years. the market is definitely fucked for them. oh well.

>>107605664
>>107610205
this. if you can't be bothered writing something yourself then why should i (or anyone) be bothered reading it? if i wanted to read ai slop, i would ask ai directly (same for all those well-meaning retards on HN who comment things like "i asked chatgpt about this topic and here's what it told me...")

>>107610325
there's a few dev subreddits that i follow (via their rss feeds) and it's always indians who make these obviously gpt-generated posts. like their comments and posts on other subreddits will look human (have poor grammar, formatting, other mistakes etc) but their posts on these subs will always have "perfect" grammar, formatting etc. i can often immediately tell they're using ai whenever they have em dashes, unicode arrows or some other symbols that they clearly didn't type (or copy from charmap or something) themselves

idk where i'm going with that last point tbdesu but it's just something i've noooooticed a lot recently

>>107613545
There are certain specific tasks that might be faster to do yourself, but there are also many tasks that are demonstrably much faster to do with an LLM and are easily verified. I recently had an LLM write a highly efficient sorting algorithm for me that runs on the GPU, it is concise and elegant code that I was able to understand within a minute of reading but it would've taken me a lot of research time to come up with myself.

>>107613656
You're changing the goalposts. The original post was talking about "vibecoded software".

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>>107613410
I was playing around with one of the "pro" frontier models the other day... it literally spat out code that used f-strings to construct a bunch of sql queries. script kiddies are gonna have a field day with all the vibecoded slop that's out there.

>>107613558
Your post has been processed by rust code in production in order to end up here.

>they're basically like super cheap junior devs:
Rust is known for being very difficult. It is not well suited for cheap juniors. You don't really see jeets using Rust.

>>107611567
>ignoring the echos of the 1st and 2nd industrial revolution
3rd times a charm right? this time it'll be different... right?