>>107570244 (OP)
Isn't this a non-profit organisation? Why do they feel the need to chase trends?

>>107570254
Depends which timeline votes I attribute

>>107569491 →

>>107570284
I controlled f firefox and got no results, not deleting this thread

>>107570254
Only Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit. Mozilla Corporation is the one who owns Firefox, is a for-profit, and use money milked through Firefox for Mozilla Foundation's woke projects.

>>107570244 (OP)
firefox has to be bad enough to pump up chrome but still survive to make it look like google doesn't have monopoly

>>107570244 (OP)
>AI Browser
For fucks sake.
This bubble can't pop any sooner.

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>>107570244 (OP)
browser? ecosystem? AI?
i thought our mission was DEI activism

mozilla is doomed to be managed by cretins forever

Firefox fucking sucks and doesn't work as well as chromium. If I want an alternative I use icecat. I hate that firefox is the default with linux distributions.
Captcha: UGAY
Fuck you gookmoot.

>>107570244 (OP)
can we somehow force jwz to take back mozilla?
i know he would be against but if i am to dream...

>>107570348
and their staff has fucking huge salaries too

>>107569491 →

>>107570244 (OP)
Please Ladybird. Hurry the fuck up with the release.

>>107570244 (OP)
Firefox has enough forks of it that I am sure somebody will strip the AI out of it, even Mozilla will (or should) include the option of turning it off in the options or preferences or about:config

>>107570619
Do you use f-droid? There are some browsers that are really just custom frontend GUIs for Android system WebView you will know when the browser is only a few hundred kilobites or less than 5 megabites at the most, I use JQuarks or SWeb sometimes

so firefox has the worse engine and now it will be filled with AI slop. what's the point of using this shit even and not go Safari or Chromium?

>>107570555
who else would want to "manage" a controlled opposition non-profit "organization".

>>107572275
They already conceded that their strategy moving forward is going to be full transparency on the use of AI, the how and where, including how to turn it off and ensuring every user is capable of turning it completely off if they want to.

Basically, they're playing the AI bullshit bingo game to mooch investor money, and nothing else.

will it be rust tranny AI?

Anyone have a browser where you ctrl +f and the find box stays open in all tabs until you manually close it?

>>107572835
>how to turn it off and ensuring every user is capable of turning it completely off
yeah I don't trust them anymore

>>107570244 (OP)
Nah, don't care, will just keep using forks.

>>107570244 (OP)
He said the WORD!!!

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Not surprising since Mozilla removed their promise of never selling your personal data.
>Does Firefox sell your personal data?
https://archive.is/5Pe2u

I'm still amazed over how shit tech news is since so few people even heard of this the same month it happened.

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I have AI fatigue

I'm using Floorp, quite satisfied with it. I just hope they stay away from AI

>>107574610
Are those paid screen shot softwares any good?
I only use the free ones.

>>107574610
>>107574675
you can literally get perfect screenshots with free AI, it will even crop it for you. don't bother paying for that now.

>>107574610
Same.

>>107570244 (OP)
Are there any non-bloated browsers that work nowadays?

>>107570244 (OP)
Welp time to make a servo based browser with Qt bindings, fuck this shit.

>>107570254
CEO's are the biggest dipshits and always want to fit in so the can roll off some supreme smelling bullshit with their buddies.

>>107570244 (OP)
I AM FUCKING SICK OF AI
SICK OF IT
IT FUCKING SUCKS

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>>107570244 (OP)
I didn't read the thread but I'm still gonna use Firefox with my custom user.js.

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>>107574822

>>107574675
I use Greenshot and have never had any reason to want more

Waterfox response:
https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

>>107575186
Well, looks like it's time to finally make the switch

>>107570254
Non-profit just means bankrolled by rich "donors".

>>107575186
Fucking baysed

>>107570254
>nonprofit
not for the CEO lol

>>107575186
So if you’re already using the browser to access multiple cloud AI services, how do you put “AI” into the browser and what does it do?
Does help make it easier to go to, say, chatgpt?
I already have it bookmarked. That’s pretty easy.
I just don’t get it.

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>>107575186
i read this right now, nice article :3

just gotta wait another 3 years for ladybird to be stable

>>107573178
no browser does this, since each tab is sandboxed.

>>107575186
Okay but is it a GOOD browser or is it janky as fuck?

>>107576093
It's literally just Firefox with some about:config changes and no ai shit

Can we replace CSS with AI?

Hear me out: CSS is poop.

>>107576202
does it come with Firefox Color? I quite liked customizing my UI that way

>>107570442
Why does everyone hate AI so much though?
I know it will be a terrible implementation but if they could just do it right then think of the potential time savings.

Imagine you want to buy a concert ticket and instead of constantly refreshing the page and having to navigate the shitty UI you could just have an AI agent sitting in the browser do it for you.

>>107576251
>terrible implementation
there's your answer

>>107576251
How retarded are you that this is needed for you to buy a concert ticket

>>107576286
The point is not are you intelligent enough to do that yourself, it's having an artificially intelligent agent do it for you so you don't have to. You could be asleep in bed with your browser tab open and it'll dutifully work for you.

They'll never implement anything actually useful like that though.

>>107576226
Compile llama.cpp to WASM and then have a model generate the CSS from a prompt.

>>107576251
>Giving AI access to your bank card

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>>107570244 (OP)
>Time to find a new backup browser
I'm open to suggestions

>>107576335
Is the reason they'll never implement anything useful, yes, because they don't want to be responsible for any oopsies.

A browser that is actually intelligent would be really useful. It will always be artificial though.

>>107576251
>hallucinates
>buys 300 bad dragon dildos instead

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>>107570244 (OP)
>It will evolve into a shitty AI browser

You literally voted for this last year

>>107576297
It does not take much time to buy a ticket to a concert. There is no use case where I need my browser to do it for me. This example is incredibly stupid, and it's good example of why I dislike AI shills so much. You people create solutions to things that weren't even a problem in the first place, and then you claim you've optimized some mystical convenience out of nothing. It's genuinely retarded. These companies are selling a fucking grift that does little to nothing, and they market it to people who are so fucking retarded that the concept of doing something that takes a minute is suddenly some grand inconvenience for a data center to do for them.

>>107576371
>You people create solutions to things that weren't even a problem in the first place, and then you claim you've optimized some mystical convenience out of nothing. It's genuinely retarded.

Capitalism is the greatest plague in human history.

>>107576419
It's just evolution.

People used to queue outside box offices for tickets and now we buy them online. In the future you will be able to just ask an AI agent to get you tickets and it will go and do it without you having to even lift a finger but it won't be a Mozilla AI to bring about that change.

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>google is evil
>apple is evil (and safari sucks)
>random forks are run by mentally ill retards you can't trust
so what's the alternative? mozilla had a 30 year track record of being good for privacy, fighting evil companies, etc.

>>107570483
What's the reddit frog got to do with that?

>>107570244 (OP)
yikes lol

What's a good browser for android phones? Firefox has always sucked and I'm not using Chrome or le shill lion.

>>107576565
>shill lion
Now that firefox is almost dead, maybe Brave is good

>>107570244 (OP)
I kind of want to rip out the brains of all the AI people and torture them for a nested simulated eternity.

>>107576251
because it's a browser
I want to browse the internet, not do ??? with AI slop

>>107576565
Cromite
https://github.com/uazo/cromite

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>>107576500
1. It is not a reddit frog. If you go on reddit you will almost never see such a frog.
2. The frog is always relevant. It's a metameme which has a vast, subsuming cultural relevance.

>>107576631
Browsing the Internet how exactly?
With the original Hypertext and no JavaScript?
The web is forever evolving and your browser will evolve with it whether you like it or not.

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>>107576631

One of the first things the next Democratic president will have to do as soon as he takes office in three years is to literally castrate the ENTIRE AI industry and chain them to pro-human rules.

>>107576658
Vacuous nonsense.
>>107576666
I'm not reading all of that.

>>107570254
Because they're angling to shift to for profit and IPO. How is this not obvious?

>>107576732
I'm not an expert but I don't think Firefox can have an IPO whilst retaining its parentage to the non-profit Mozilla Foundation.

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Only one browser can save us now

>>107576565
try iceraven

>>107576827
Ladybird is probably at least 10 years off.

>>107570244 (OP)
What the hell does "AI browser" even mean?

>>107576916
>What the hell does "AI browser" even mean?
Nothing
It's just trendy buzzwords

/v/ pls go

>>107576565
I've been using waterfox, seems fine

>>107576251
i'm not sure if this guy is this retarded or it is just bait
>>107576335
also, this

>>107576658
>With the original Hypertext and no JavaScript?
yes. fuck javascript

I will just switch to w3m

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>>107574853
kekaroo

>>107570483
>gif
>is a still image

>>107576251
now imagine 10 thousand persons doing the same thing
you will have to imagine it because no one will own a personal computer anymore

>>107572275
there are like about 15 separated config flags to turn that shit off

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>>107576916
the same as this

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>>107575186
ok satan

>>107574700
>using AI to create screenshots
Yep, this site is filled with bots.

>>107576916
>>107576916
Basically the same thing we have now except now an AI Clippy 2.0 will keep popping up to suggest content for your to consoooooom all the while scraping every last bit of your personal activity on "le web" to either funnel into their own LLM or sell to someone else

>>107577370
>What
Kek, every time.

>>107576827
>>107576836
Why does making a web browser take so long? I remember as a kid there were a lot of choices that had their own browser engines. These days it's all Chromium

>>107575186
Hot damn, I used this long before LibreWolf

besides the upcoming lady bird what browsers are not either chromium based or firefox forks? is safari the only one ?
Ive been on firefox since the dawn of time and would like to try something else, any suggestions ?

>>107577580
you might keep an eye on the servo browser

>>107570244 (OP)
>use an old portable version from before december
problem solved I guess.

I just noticed if you highlight text and right click it, there's something in the context menu saying "AI Summary chatbot" or something. Is that cause of this guy? How long has that been there?

>>107577476
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/print.pdf
And that's the easy static HTML-only part, you now only have to draw the rest of the fucking owl.

I'm using Vivaldi right now but I'm probably gonna have to switch to something else when ublock origin stops working. Probably Floorp, which is basically an attempt at making Vivaldi with firefox.

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>>107577872
Dang, that's a lot. I guess when I see progress reports with Ladybird passing this many tests, it makes me wonder how it's still not usable as a main browser.

>>107574853
i lol'd, fukken saved

>>107576251
>I know it will be a terrible implementation
So why the fuck even bother? The fact that modern software developers have this mindset is beyond belief. Does no one teach KISS anymore?

>>107570244 (OP)
test

>>107570348
>Mozilla Foundation's woke projects
name them if they're real (you won't because you're a spiritual nigger)

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>>107575186
mmh

>>107570254
The org is non-profit, but the executives still want a fat paycheck. Same thing with non-profit charities, the people at the top are paid well.

>>107577476
making a browser engine from scratch has to be one of the hardest things a programmer can do

>>107571309
Servo also looks promising
https://servo.org/

>>107577616
>>107578224
>rustware
pass

>>107577801
They started adding them a couple versions back, you can disable it from about:config

"browser.ml.enable", false
"browser.ml.chat.enabled", false
"browser.ml.chat.menu", false
"browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled", false
"browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled", false

>>107570244 (OP)
Just use Vivaldi if you want no AI and also have basic features like customizing ui and tab stacks.

>>107570244 (OP)
Yeah i am jumping ship too
Most maintaned fork?

>>107578252
you're in a cult btw

>>107578289
For now, then they will not allow you to disable any AI

>>107576916
AI will suggest you shit 24/7, meaning firefox will scrap yoir data and sell it just as hard as google.
I give them 6 months before they start a war to adblockers like google

>>107576631
They don't want you to browse, they want you to spend more time on buying shit and looking at ads between the summaries your agentic AI is feeding you. Not that it matters anymore, the old internet basically died with Flash. There's nothing to stumble upon anymore with browsing.

>>107578399
TOR Browser/Mullvad Browser is propably a decent choice.

>>107574641

They said this today on Twitter/X

"We deeply respect the philosophy of Mozilla and our users: AI in Floorp should always be optional.

While we prioritize providing the best customizability, any AI features added will strictly remain opt-in. We are not aiming to become a "modern AI browser." Our focus is on maintaining existing features while simply adding more choices for you."

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>>107570244 (OP)
>biggest competitor to chrome
>all you have to do is be better than chrome
>do everything to be worse than chrome
>at-least-were-private.png
>nope, not anymore
>btw do you want AI? we pinky promise that we won't gather and sell your data *wink wink*
I prefer to have multiple browsers installed. For official accounts I use Firefox but for everyday browsing I'm using Zen. Doesn't make much of a difference but I prefer having things compartmentalized. I'm looking forward to Ladybird, but until then, any other trustable replacements? I know Librewolf had >picrel which according to their codeberg issue tracker was something that slipped through by mistake.

>>107579189
Google, owners of Chromium/Chrome, are the main sponsors of Firefox, right?

>>107570244 (OP)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyed/details/experience/

where do they even find these fucking retards?

>>107578310
I will never understand how anyone can withstand Vivaldi.
>proprietary
>bloated to hell and back
>horrendous laggy UI
>half assed adblocker
>manifest v3
>the company has become activist just like Mozilla
>it's just another chromium fork (but worse)

>>107579298
Unfortunately.
Iirc correctly they got money from google for them to counteract the monopoly allegation and to have google as Firefox's default search engine. If Chrome is sold off in the future Firefox might not get shit.
Sucks that we don't live in the world where Firefox can stand on it's own.

To anyone else, regardless of the sentences above how are Waterfox and Floorp?

>>107576251
an AI would never be able to do that. AI can't even parse csv files correctly.

>>107579344
>proprietary
so is windows. and linux despite it being freetard 'open source' shit.
>>bloated to hell and back
>>horrendous laggy UI
not a problem if you don't have a dogshit computer. this browser is for rich folk not poorfags.
>half assed adblocker
retard has never heard of ublock origin
>manifest v3
don't even know if that's true cause ubo works but that's a good thing
>the company has become activist just like Mozilla
who cares? I use it to browse the internet the best. do you care that the food you eat is slaughtered cruelly?
>it's just another chromium fork (but worse)
it's the best chromium fork and chromium is the best (only webkit is better but that's only on mac)

>>107579630
retarded shill

>>107578413
Oh yeah? Which cult is that?

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>>107570244 (OP)

Can someone please explain what an "AI Browser" is?

>>107579812
Shut up and invest, goy

damn so nobody uses pale moon?

>>107580879
>male poon

I'm just tired of this shit, firefox has a worse engine and now adding even more AI slop. I just went back to chrome, at least the engine is better. I don't give a shit anymore
fuck mozilla. they needed 15 years and an angry youtuber to fix the CSS gradient bug, nice priorities you got the mozilla

>>107576453
Make your own fork.

>>107578019
Sea lioning common knowledge is one of the lowest forms of trolling.

>>107580936
if youre gonna be a chrome cuck at least use brave

>>107581237
I have tried Brave in the past and didn't like it. and since I'm a web shitter I had Chrome already installed only for testing (firefox was my main dev browser). I will just use chrome as my main now and firefox just for testing.

>>107570244 (OP)
I'm cautiously optimistic about this because he's saying a lot of stupid shit about AI but at least they didn't bring in an Indian CEO.

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>>107576658
>The web is forever evolving and your browser will evolve with it whether you like it or not.

>>107580879
I like PM

>>107579312
Anyone have a screenshot? Security check won't let me see.

>>107574790
I'd be a dipshit if that guaranteed me millions in salary and never needing to interview for an executive position for the rest of my life.

>>107580997
Sealioning is what woke retards say when asked for a shred of proof.

>>107570254
Now is the time to strike, Microsoft is shitting the bed, Google is jeeted, apple is a thing and corpos want sum dat.

>>107579471
>Waterfox
My user experience has been exactly the same as firefox since I switched months ago. If it weren't for the logo, I wouldn't be able to tell the two apart

>>107582795
and why not? you're already being one for free

>>107575186
i don't trust waterfox since they were bought by an ad company, and i think they broke the promise of keeping flash working

>>107570244 (OP)
go to tor my good sir

Longest death sequence ever.

If ungooged chrome had right click to reopen tab I'd probably just switch to it. Is brave any better the crypto shit kinda put me off

>>107584762
Isn't tor just firefox with a built in proxy server that feds have direct access to so they can listen in on you more easily?

>>107581237
using chrome makes you a normalfag. using brave makes you a homosexual cuck.

>>107585178
it is not, and you can use Tor Browser without Tor if you download Mullvad Browser

>>107578413
>rust pushes ideology into Open source
There is a definitely a cult here.

>>107570244 (OP)
I feel a cozy schadenfreude at firefox going to complete shit, I've been trying to enlighten anons on it being garbage for years now, and every single year there's a bigger controversy and a bigger mess that mozilla creates. Yet the coping anon will never stop coping and accept that the browser and the gecko engine is dead. Sisyphus coded.

White men come home to brave or helium.

>>107577338
hahah i didn't even know
that's how i downloaded it from somewhere

>uses betterfox user.js in your path
not my problem

Why don't people use Vivaldi? It's made by the old guys that created Opera. The browser is chromium based without any google crap. The only closed source aspect of it is the GUI.

>>107586584
>The browser is chromium based
That's why

If Firefox and its forks are gonna siphon my data or shove GayI in my face anyway, might as well go for something that looks nice like Zen Browser

>>107586688
So is Brave.

>>107587160
I don't want to use Brave either.

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>>107570244 (OP)

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>>107579812
you know how you add stuff to your cart manually like a fucking pleb
well get with the times

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>>107587202

What's the least shit (not Chromium or a Firefox fork) browser for Android?

>>107570254
>organisation

>>107579630
Too many words to come out as weak bait.

>>107587444
>current or next year
>not Chromium or a Firefox fork
Anon...

>>107576297
>You could be asleep in bed
Why

>>107577338
>Being on /g/ and not knowing .gif can (and sometimes should) be used for still images. Look at the file size on that frog.

>>107570244 (OP)
when will people stop beng afraid of AI

>>107581406
He may as well be one with the AI focus.

>>107570254
Man you really didn't do your research on Firefox huh. They've been doing nothing but chasing trends for the last 10 years.

>>107570244 (OP)
I dont see why this is a big deal

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>>107570244 (OP)
>Time to find a new backup browser
Oh, you're doing this NOW, and not when they started selling out your private data, or when they troonified themselves?

>>107589330
sneed

>>107589330
When it's able to the laundry and dishes

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pissi cuckitini

>>107579611
it can write/download code to parse csv files however

>>107589330
When they stop trying to shove worthless AI telemetry bloat no one wants into everything

>>107587658
>doesn't actually help
Gee, thanks. I already know my pickings are slim.

>>107570244 (OP)
I am just going to install Chromium.

>>107575186
Shit, I used Waterfox like 10 years ago to keep using old addons and eventually gave in and went back to Firefox long term builds just because shit broke in WF.

>>107570244 (OP)
>Installer Waterfox
>It can't import Firefox bookmarks

No doubt because OG firefox can't do that either, because why would you import bookmarks from yourself.
And people are saying these people would be able to just take over development of the engine if Mozilla goes belly-up. Laughable.

>>107570254
80% of mozilla's income comes from google deals.
It literally doesn't matter what legal character they have, if they want to keep running they have to obey whatever diktat they receive, and google wants them to push gemini.

>>107590546
No. It's worth that much because it's an exclusive deal. There can only be one default search engine. If Google would offer less, or stopped paying them, another search engine would rise up and pay them good money instead. It'd be less, but not by orders of magnitude.

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>>107570244 (OP)
huh ain't that a damn shame, remember when leftoid trannies in the very early days of cancel culture ousted this man from his own company in 2014 for a christian donation and since 2017 have entirely pozzed their company?

Brendan Eich won. kneel.

>>107587245
Couldn't they have waited until there was some intelligence that could be trusted before trying this? Maybe after at least another decade and a couple more major improvements on the scale of what's made them decide now was the time to start?

>>107590647
It usually boils down to financial incentives.

I thought rightoids supported ai bullshit

>>107589650
That's right, because it's all just being sold everywhere else anyway and for a minute there avoiding troons was about as difficult as boycotting Israel.

>>107584368
For the same reason I outlined here >>107582795

>>107587187
Use Ladybird

I'm a zoomer who's been using Firefox for basically my whole life.
I believe the first version I installed was 2. I've been watching it grow up to 146.
All my passwords are managed by Firefox sync, on desktop and on mobile.
What do I switch to?

>>107590590
Google will never offer less.
The position of a default search engine is priceless to them.
Don't you realize that a default search engine is literally a keylogger?
Everything you type into the url or search bar is sent to google to offer you autocomplete suggestions.

>>107592786
>I'm a zoomer
>the first version I installed was 2
You're not a Zoomer.

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>>107592849
I was born in '99.
Everyone calls me a zoomer.

>>107592869
You weren't old enough to use version 2.

>>107592919
Look up when it came out.

>>107579812
like Cursor

>>107592849
>>107592786
>>107592786


not him, but he's right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_early_version_history

Firefox2
On October 24, 2006, Mozilla released Firefox 2. This version included updates to the tabbed browsing environment, the extensions manager, the GUI (graphical user interface), and the find, search and software update engines. It also implemented a new session restore feature, inline spell checking, and an anti-phishing feature which was implemented by Google as an extension[13][14] and later merged into the program itself.[15] In December 2007, Firefox Live Chat was launched. It allowed users to ask volunteers questions through a system powered by Jive Software, with guaranteed hours of operation and the possibility of help after hours.[16]

>>107593087
Who are you not and who's right?

>>107577338
Usually zoom zooms do this when they search for "reddit meme frog" on google images. Then they save the image preview which only shows the first frame of a gif instead of going to the source page and downloading the whole animation. It's because zoom zooms unfortunately don't understand that an image format even is, let alone which one does what.
>>107587713
Yes I love still images with shitty artifacts all over them

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>>107593150
>Usually zoom zooms do this when they search for "reddit meme frog" on google images. Then they save the image preview which only shows the first frame of a gif instead of going to the source page and downloading the whole animation. It's because zoom zooms unfortunately don't understand that an image format even is, let alone which one does what.


https://tenor.com/view/pepe-angry-pepe-mad-mad-angry-gif-22470884
lmao retard

>>107593271
>>107593150
it's a still image, not an animation and you can only download it as a GIF

>>107593271
>>107593332
>I got it from tenor, the site that bot uploads shitty animated gif emotes from twitch
zoom zooooooom

>>107593452
and where do you want me to get images from?
if i need a reaction instanly that i don't have saved, i just searched it on google images

>>107577476
nobody knows how to develop anymore
its all just a bunch of larpers with multiple LLMs open doing nothing but drinking expensive drinks, watching mundane youtube vids, and playing with fidget toys at their desks

>>107570244 (OP)
>AI
dropped

>Approximately 80% to 85% of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google.
I just realized they don't have to cater to the users. they will keep doing unpopular things and ignore popular things down the line because why not, there are no repercussions for alienating users.

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>>107587713
>.gif can (and sometimes should) be used for still images
nope, never
>Look at the file size on that frog.
Look at this the file size on this shit, bitch

>>107593514
>explaining yourself to a randomly belligerent poster
...ᶻᵒᵒᵐ

>>107594152
They won't be getting that sweet Google money if they lose all users thoughbeit.

>>107576251
>Imagine
>zombo.com: the browser

>>107575186
>not because X but because Y
AI generated slop arguing against AI Lmao

>>107570244 (OP)
I sure hope my silly fox browser becomes AI first and uses even more memory than it already does.

>>107570254
One thing I've learned from being a sole proprietor MSP, is that virtually all non-profits are desperately trying to make a profit. The amount of 'book cooking' going on at these places is insane too. Doesn't matter if it's a church, synagogue, temple, mosque, children's charity etc... Non-profit = License to exploit as many loopholes in the system as possible. Pretty cool if you ask me.

>>107578413
Says the one using the proselytizing cult software.

>>107594238
fat virgin fag.

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>>107575186
Based, switching to waterfox now.

Can someone explain why retardfox is better than anything?

>>107595019
ublock origin

LADYBIRD SOON

>>107595019
an option to turn off data collection that actually works

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>>107595194
Honestly the timing is perfect for them
They claim they'll be releasing an alpha next year

>>107570619
>IceCat
>IceWeasel
I am replying to you because you seem the only person ITT with a brain. I use Opera. The dipshits on >>107594513 → can't give me a reason not to use Opera other than
>a chink is involved
Do you have some reason not to user Opera?

>captcha
I like the new captcha as it requires an actual IQ above 80.

>>107595028
>>107595206
Doesn't unjewgled chrome have that?

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>>107595300
>Do you have some reason not to user Opera?

>>107595268
Seriously, if they actually make this work and also provide a decent ad block, it is over for Firefox and most chromium derivative browsers.

you vill prompt ze ai

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>>107576916
It's horrific and demonic that some parasite can be appointed master of a tool you use daily and be given free reign to completely fuck it up without your consent or even the barest modicum of your input.

>>107576565
Brave is 75% good. It has it's issues. The included ad blocking feature is so-so. It's hard to use to block things manually. Their updates break more things than they fix. Most importantly you have to shut off A LOT OF FUCKING SWITCHES in the settings to get it unspammy and un-brave. In other words, to get it to work like it should out of the box without using it's really shitty services by default.

It sounds like I'm thrashing it but it's been my daily driver for years now. At one point I uninstalled Firefox mobile because you can't export bookmarks. At least you can do that in Brave though for about 7 months it was broken. It's working again now thankfully.

Anyhow I reinstalled firefox mobile just to have a backup browser other than Chrome to open the sites that don't work in Brave.

TL;DR Brave is so-so. About a 75% rating once you spend a while shutting bullshit off. Then it's Okay until the next update which breaks shit.

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>>107594154

>>107594154
does it hurt when you get your shit pushed in?

>>107580879
Not anymore. All the infighting and asshole comments from certain devs on the support board made it an unstrustworthy browser for me. Hard to take them seriously or want to support the project when you're being told the problems you are experiencing with our browser are your fault, not ours.

In short, fuck Pale Moon. It was good while it lasted years ago. Not anymore.

>>107570244 (OP)
>Time to find a new backup browser
THERE AREN'T ANY. NO ONE IS MAKING A BROWSER THAT ISN'T SHIT.

>>107595268
Too bad about the fucking name though. LadyBoy browser. Too woke, go broke. A bunch of gay or tranny devs making a browser. What could go wrong?

>>107577476
I'll tell you the real reason: Back in the day we had an W3C that defined actual standards for the web. Now we have a W3C bought off by google and chrome is the "living standard".

In other words. You can't develop a browser engine now without constantly chasing your tail and following whatever google decided to barf out this week.

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>>107596532
>sees Lady
>thinks of boys

ive been using firefox since 2005 shant be leaving now

I am using Valvaldi, it's pretty fast. Never heard of it until recently, but it's apparently for power autists.

>>107596663
This. Betterfox fixes everything anyway.

>>107596741
I hate how Vivaldi doesn't have an hamburger menu like the other browsers.

just use icecat and waterfox

>>107596754
I hate how those ever became a thing.

>>107596790
Well, on Firefox every useful option and tool is right there. In Vivaldi If I want to zoom or take a screenshot I have to use the bottom bar, which wastes space.

>>107596754
I'm not certain what you're talking about, but I think you can enable this by opening the Vivaldi menu, View, and uncheck Horizontal Main Menu.
>>107596833
Those are both in the Vertical Main Menu, under View & Tools. You can also right-click on your Address Bar or Tab Bar, then Customize, and add a Zoom or Screenshot button where you please.

>>107595395
I get that, but current opera is based on Chromium version 141 whereas Chrome is based on Chromium version 145... which implies quite strongly that Opera devs are just doing a Forward Integration of Chromium to Opera code base followed by extensive gutting, defanging, and then using Chromium as a backward compatible foundation.

I personally DO NOT USE OR LIKE CHROME and yet I can tolerate Opera. I also use Firefox pretty much for the dev tools or when booted into Linux.

>>107596741
>never heard of it
EXACTLY. Really should give Opera a try. I started using Opera a longtime ago as a joke and actually started liking it and now it is my goto.

>>107574853
This "intelligence" will be trusted with controlling nuclear fission reactors, surgeries and execution of other critical tasks.

>>107584713
Pretty much. The moment I saw their new installer after the buyout I noped the fuck out.

>>107576453
We're at a point where complacency got us into utter fucking shite. Pretty much everything needs to be debloated and purged of all kinds of cancers.

>>107570244 (OP)
KWABOTY

>>107570244 (OP)
Follow Brendan Eich to Brave.

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>>107577476
Google abuses their dominant position to make development of something completely new almost impossible with ever more labyrinthine and arcane "standards".

>thanks previous CEO countless times
>adds previous CEO to the board members (she didn't leave)

You are a fucking cuckold faggot in the shadow of a former diversity whore. You never be a real CEO.

Imagine starting off by thanking some woman.

>>107598159
what does that mean

>>107577872
>1500 pages just for HTML
What the fuck

>>107599679
Web 2.0 was a mistake, that's what.

Floorp, Zen or hardened firefox?
Dropping Libre since it's pozzed

>>107570244 (OP)
>Firefox New CEO
Not a jeet. They'll never make it.

>>107570244 (OP)
I'm so fucking tired.

thanks but I'm sticking with Opera / Brave

Not gonna troon out

>>107601368
>thanks but I'm sticking with Chinese spyware and American spyware with extra shillware

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>>107596376
>>107596440

uh, sorry, but I'm just gonna keep using Firefox hahaha
I just am, lol

been using firefox for twenty years and every year theres some new story about how its pozzed or about to die but its still the best and least pozzed and most customizable

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>>107578982
>They don't want you to browse, they want you to spend more time on buying shit and looking at ads
even if you search for some meme reacts on google images and you type "wojak", "pepe frog angry", you will get almost only stickers to buy, not the real memes

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>>107602435
>>107578982
seems pretty good on yandex

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>>107602435
>>107602451
>>107578982

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>>107602010

>>107570244 (OP)
Its the only non chromium browser with decent extensions

>>107602569
try waterfox

>>107570254
>>107574790
CEOs have to justify their job and so have a unusually strong perverse incentive to be performative. AI is a hype train that spells money for performative opportunists. Worse still, the candidates who have the most convincing performative behavior are the most likely to convince companies to hire them as CEO. The entire employment-into-CEO mechanism selects for extremely bad executives

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>>107570244 (OP)
I can suggest a browser that has the potential to impact the future:

Firefox + AI

this browser combines mozilla's famous browser firefox, which allows you to browse the web, with the addition of AI(Artificial Intelligence). By including AI in the browser, it symbolizes the increasing role of artificial intelligence in shaping and transforming our future. This combination highlights the potential for AI to unlock new forms of irritation, enhance spam, and revolutionize various fields such as memes, scamming, and pornography.

>>107577801
A couple of months
>>107578289
Thank you

>>107576251
>Why does everyone hate AI so much though?
because they are pushing so hard when it's 10 years too early. it only produces slop but there's so much money to be made by firing everyone every single company just wants you to accept slop as actually good

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Alright, that's it, I'm going in on living with mullvad browser for a while.

>>107602688
>Even worse support than firefox
No, thanks

>>107603201
protip: if 4chan complains about you being in "incognito mode" you need to go to about:config and set the following to true:
dom.serviceWorkers.enabled

>>107602972
What

Apple chads cant stop winning