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Prison planet theory is not a starting point, it is a conclusion. Here's why most people are not ready for it

Someone recently messaged me privately and told me that they get frustrated when they try to talk about prison planet theory with people in their lives because they are met with blank stares, ridicule, or instant dismissal. I had a long convo with this person so i thought i'd share the main points of the convo here as well because i'm sure there will be people who will find this helpful.

So a couple of important things need to be understood:

  1. We are not evangelists. It is not our job to convince anyone of anything.

  2. This post is for people who already have someone in their life who is curious about prison planet theory but does not know how to approach the subject without sounding extreme or ungrounded.

First of all, this type of reactions are completely normal, and it does not mean you are bad at explaining it or that the other person is incapable of understanding. It has everything to do with conditioning and exposure. Let me explain.

You cannot jump straight to prison planet theory with someone who has never even questioned surface level narratives. For most people, the prison planet theory sounds crazy because they have not done the prior research or gone through the earlier realizations that make it intelligible. Society trains people from childhood to trust authority, institutions, science as presented, religion as tradition, and psychology as an explanation for all inner experience.


Different stages of awareness

In order for you to understand what i'm trying to say here, i will explain how i arrived at the PPT. I did not arrive at PPT randomly. I went through stages. Before I discovered the prison planet theory, i had already spent years investigating surface level conspiracies. Things like Big Pharma, 9/11, the assassination of JFK, wage slavery, chemtrails, GMOs and their effects on the human body, mass media manipulation through subliminal and subconscious programming, the idea of a centralized global power structure where those at the top benefit at the expense of everyone below, etc etc. That phase alone took me years.

I also studied many different religions, and it took me quite a long time to realize that religion is not universal truth, it is an accident of birth. Where and when you are born determines what God you worship, what holy book you follow, and what morals you are taught. History proves this again and again, and it shows that trusting these religions as absolute truth is simply unjustified.

I have investigated the reincarnation phenomenon by looking into documented cases of people who claim past life memories, including verified locations, specific events, and corresponding birthmarks or physical traits. Many of these individuals are able to recall details that can later be confirmed in this life. At this point, the evidence is strong enough that reincarnation itself is very difficult to dismiss.

After that, I started looking into what happens when we die through NDEs, that's where i first heard about the tunnel of light. But even then i did not connect the dots right away. It took even more time to study NDEs and past life regressions more deeply, especially how they intersect with alien involvement, memory wipes, and the mechanics of reincarnation. Only then did the larger picture start to come together.

Then, I started looking into alien abductions. At first, I believed aliens were benevolent and genuinely cared about humanity, because that is what abductees are often told. They are told the beings love them, are protecting Earth, or are here to help humanity evolve. I believed this narrative for a while.

When you step back and look at the behavior itself, the red flags are obvious. These beings paralyze people, prevent them from moving or screaming, abduct them without consent, extract blood, semen, ovaries, and genetic material for their own purposes, they sometimes even clone the abductee's body, they erase their memories using advanced technology, or implant false memories so the experience feels positive afterward. None of this aligns with benevolence. The deception should have been clear from the beginning.

Only later, after digging deeper through past life regression work and the research of serious investigators like Eve Lorgen, Karla Turner, Corrado Malanga, Tena & Karen, Truman Cash, Calogero Grifasi, a very different picture emerged. What these entities were telling abductees was not just misleading, it was deliberate manipulation. The goal was to make abductees perceive them as benevolent so that when they returned to Earth, these abductees would then spread the "benevolent alien" narrative publicly through books, interviews, and podcasts.

Only after this entire groundwork is laid does it make sense to bring up past life regressions to people which show recurring patterns of manipulation, trickery, memory wipes, false authority figures, and non human entities. At that point, PPT no longer sounds insane. It sounds like a logical continuation of everything they already see here. Past life regressions are much more important than NDEs because unlike NDEs, they actually reveal what happens in between lives.


There are many massive red flags in reality that appear long before anyone ever encounters PPT

For example:

Realizing that most humans are effectively trapped in wage slavery under the 9 to 5 system. The system we live in creates actual slaves and this is easily observable and provable.

Realizing that this world is based on suffering, where every living being is forced to survive by attacking, killing and consuming another living being which 100% guarantees constant suffering for all living beings on this planet 24/7. A world designed this way points to something deeply wrong at the top and it shows that creator cannot be loving and benevolent like we're being told. So if this creator is evil enough to design a world that runs on predation, suffering, decay, and exploitation, then it makes no sense to suddenly assume benevolence the moment we leave the physical body. There is no rational reason to believe that the being responsible for this kill or be killed eat or be eaten system magically becomes loving, just, or trustworthy on the other side, when their own creation proves that they are the exact opposite of those traits.

On Earth, we clearly see how power structures operate. Hierarchies form around control, authority, and obedience. Those at the top dictate rules, enforce judgment, and decide the fate of those below them. What is striking is that NDEs frequently describe the exact same structure in the afterlife. People report encountering a "God" or "higher" beings positioned above them (sometimes even sitting on thrones) judging their actions, controlling the narrative of their life review, and ultimately deciding what happens to them next. The experiencer is rarely autonomous. They are instructed, evaluated, corrected, and sent back or redirected.

If the physical world is ruled through hierarchy, authority, and coercion, and the astral realm displays the same architecture of power, then the simplest explanation is continuity, not contradiction. The same intelligence that governs this world appears to govern the next one as well. When you recognize that pattern, the idea of manipulation, deception, and control continuing after death is no longer shocking. It becomes exactly what you'd expect.

Once someone understands that, it becomes much easier to question the afterlife narrative. If this world is run by a cruel intelligence (explained why above), then it makes no sense to assume the beings waiting on the other side are automatically loving, honest, or benevolent. The only reason most people make that assumption is because they have been conditioned to do so through religion and cultural programming. From an early age, they are taught that God is good, angels are helpers, and the afterlife is a place of love and justice. These ideas are not questioned, they are inherited. People do not arrive at them through investigation or evidence, but through repetition, tradition, and fear of doubt. When someone carries those beliefs into death, they are far more likely to interpret whatever they encounter as benevolent, even if manipulation or coercion is taking place. Conditioning does not disappear at death, it follows consciousness.


Arriving at the prison planet theory

When i finally arrived at the prison planet theory, i was not shocked or surprised. I felt relieved because the bigger picture finally made sense. But that reaction only came because of all the research that came before it. Without years of digging into other areas first, I probably would have reacted with shock or disbelief too, just like most people do when they hear about PPT for the first time.

The real issue is that very few people are willing to put in the time, energy, and mental effort required to research independently, question what they were taught, and go against deeply ingrained conditioning in search of truth. Most people spend their entire lives being preoccupied with school, work, making and raising children, entertainment (movies, tv shows, video games) and maybe sports. That is the extent of their curiosity. There is no deep investigation, no pattern recognition, no willingness to confront uncomfortable conclusions.

So when they are suddenly confronted with the prison planet theory, it feels absurd or impossible to them. Not because the theory lacks evidence, but because they skipped every step that leads to it.


Prison planet theory is NOT a starting point. It is a conclusion reached after years of questioning reality at multiple levels

Without those steps, prison planet theory has no foundation in the listener's mind. It sounds like pure fantasy because they still believe the system is mostly honest and benevolent.

This is why people get defensive. You are not just sharing a theory. You are threatening the framework that makes their world feel stable. Their brain reacts the same way it would to danger. Ridicule and dismissal are defense mechanisms.

Someone who has never realized that governments lie, that most people are born into debt and work their entire lives just to barely stay afloat, that food and medicine are often made less healthy on purpose because it is more profitable, or that advertising and social media are designed to manipulate emotions and behavior, is far from ready to hear about soul traps, manipulation/trickery happening on the other side, memory wipes, or Archons.

If you actually want to help others understand, you have to meet them where they are. Talk first about things that are already provable. Or things like reincarnation since there is a ton of evidence supporting it. Let them connect the dots themselves. Don't be pushy.

It is important to understand that the vast majority of people do not conduct independent research, and especially not across multiple fields. One person might look into NDEs for a short period of time out of curiosity. Another might explore out of body experiences for a short period of time out of curiosity. Someone else might focus on psychedelic experiences for a short period of time out of curiosity. But how many people actually investigate all of these areas together, compare them, connect the patterns, and try to form a coherent bigger picture? Most people rely on social consensus and whatever narrative is most commonly repeated around them. That is why these manipulations are so effective and why deeper patterns take so long to be recognized.

Connecting all these dots is not easy, it takes a lot of dedication, curiosity, time, energy and even courage. It is not something most people are willing to do. The fact that you are on this subreddit alone shows that you are open minded, curious, and willing to question what you have been told. You are not satisfied with surface level explanations, and you are willing to explore difficult ideas in order to understand the bigger picture.


The hard is to talk with Christians. How to tell them that YHWH is Satan (demiurge or whatever call it) and old testament is a story about beginnings of matrix or one of the 6k years of cycle.

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o tell them that YHWH is Satan

you cannot link the two like that - their brains will fall out.

what you can do, is compare the evil/warrior god of the OT to what christ was perhaps, and use specific verses in the OT as examples of this 'jealous' pathetic 'god'

(most churchies dont know their bible)

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You mean Saturn

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Really good write-up.

I will share how I came to PPT too since it seems relevant and in case it helps someone.

I never bought into any of the normal conspiracies throughout life and grew up non-religious. I became a Christian (in it's purest form) in college but then quickly fell into the religious control framework of the mind, feeling stress about the whole demons and God sending people to Hell aspect of things. This was especially perpetuated by being exposed to Bill Wiese's "23 Minutes in Hell" video/book (which was basically a forced OBE he had). I just couldn't get over how the true God would create Hell and allow demons to persist, and everything else you normally hear people have problems with this stuff. Along with going back and forth in faith and having cognitive dissonance for over 10 years, I had also been looking into the UFO phenomena once in a while and was also conflicted by it - but I knew it was somehow important.

Then flash forward another 10 years or so and I find myself at a low stress job where I'm able to actually spend free time researching these subjects. I finally look into NDEs and quickly zero in on the many negative/Hell NDEs. Through great fear, stress, and mental anguish, I quickly start connecting the dots and seeing the overlap of the UFO phenomena and all the other topics such as angels/demons, NDEs, possession, sleep paralysis, etc (most the stuff Jacques Vallée talks about). I also noted how in many of the Hell NDEs that there was an element of "saurus" or "reptilian" entities involved. When I tried talking about this stuff in the normal NDE subreddit and other places, I was quickly censored and accused of spreading prison planet propaganda despite not knowing about it. That's when I found this subreddit and was quickly keyed into the soul trap, forced reincarnation, Gnosticism, and everything else.

Finally it all made sense. The whole idea of a false God ruling the worlds seemed to make my questions/issues with the Hell aspects of Christianity fall into place. It's wild too because it's basically what Christians already believe, they just don't fully realize it or understand it. Not saying modern Christianity is fully correct, I'm just speaking from my own viewpoint.

Additionally, I've now been focusing on reincarnation, something I've always dismissed. Now I've discovered how many stories there are of people with past life memories and even birthmarks and other ailments directly related to the previous person's mode of death.

Reality really turned out to be far more insane than I was ever expecting it to, that's for sure.

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For me, the fact that reincarnation is almost undeniable at this point (if you've made the research ofcourse) suggests we should be cautious about accepting religious beliefs at face value and instead rely on what the data/research is showing to be the case. I never liked the idea of putting blind faith into a belief. This is not smart and it's what people thousands of years ago and hundreds of years ago did because they had no choice, but we do have a choice. We have the ability and the means to research for ourselves, and we should evolve beyond putting blind faith in religious beliefs.

About hell. If hell and demons truly exist as realms or forces of endless suffering (as countless NDErs have described based on their experiences out of body, like you said), then that alone reveals the true nature of this so-called "loving" God. If God was truly all-powerful, all-loving, and all-understanding, then they would completely comprehend why every being acts, feels, and thinks the way they do, therefore a being with infinite understanding would have no reason to create or allow eternal punishment, because perfect love seeks to heal, not to punish and torment (and especially not punishment and tornment that would last forever).

Eternal suffering completely contradicts the idea of unconditional love. A truly benevolent creator would guide, teach, and restore, not condemn and torture. Therefore, if hell is real, its very existence exposes that the being behind this world is not a god of love or light, but a false creator, the Demiurge, who feeds on fear, pain, and control.

That's why i said in this post, that religion and New Age are fairytales for adults to keep us distracted, docile and asleep. When you look beyond their programming, you start to see red flag after red flag after red flag which reveal a God that's far from loving and reincarnation as a giant scam. The possible existence of hell adds even more weight to the conclusion that God is evil. It takes the cruelty already visible in the natural world and multiplies it infinitely. It shows that the suffering we see on Earth is not accidental or temporary, but part of a larger system deliberately built to trap and torment consciousness. A creator who allows or designs eternal torture cannot be loving, forgiving, or divine. Only a sadistic being obsessed with control and pain. Therefore, hell, if real, is the ultimate confirmation that the god of this world is not the source of light, but the architect of suffering.

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If God was truly all-powerful, all-loving, and all-understanding, then they would completely comprehend why every being acts, feels, and thinks the way they do, therefore a being with infinite understanding would have no reason to create or allow eternal punishment, because perfect love seeks to heal, not to punish and torment (and especially not punishment and tornment that would last forever

Yes, 10-trillion percent this. However I do still believe in "God", aka The One as described in the Secret Book of John. I know it may be seen as moving goal posts but I do think there still has to be a true God in all this, at the foundation of all things, who is also of the same fabric of our own internal spirits.

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Reality really turned out to be far more insane than I was ever expecting it to, that's for sure.

hahha, well written - good journey to you! And understand most people are NPCs who CANNOT by their nature, ask questions about reality.

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I saw that 23 minutes in hell guy talking in a video over a year ago and it scared me. Fear is an instruement of controll and i could feel it influencing me. That guy had some sort of OBE psychosis but he was completely powerless in that state because he belived in the false god. It just shows the power of our beliefs have over our reality and i dont mean that in a new age way.

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Bring up this stuff to someone who doesn't even believe in reincarnation has to be the most pointless thing you can do.

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The greys and reptilians, demons and cryptids might even just be a mask/ archetype worn by the demiurge. All of the forms might just be a veil and behind it we have the evil inteligence holding the strings. Nathaniel Gillis speaks of this, it could be true.

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Subverted / fallen species then reanimated by the Black Cube (Borg/Bourgha/Borja).

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wow, I feel like we had parallel journeys. It was like I wrote the post myself.

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Very well said and I agree with every word of this post. It took years for me to reach this point as well.

Thank you for writing this

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Prison planet theory is not a starting point, it is a conclusion.

I think that, that's the problem in itself - it's a conclusion with no resolution.

One finds hope within creation for they fell asleep within a nightmare, but to wake them up is to now have them live their nightmare awake. And all one receives in return for the dream they abandoned, is a dream of dream they see no way to reach.

One does not trade false hope for true hope, but for a chance at the hope that there is hope.

The same intelligence that governs this world appears to govern the next one as well. When you recognize that pattern

As above, so bellow, so beyond, so beneath. All a reflection, an emanation, the proclamation of it's source, a part of the sum of the whole.

No action within creation can exist outside of the possibility to be inflicted, permission to inflict it, and the presence of those which desire to have it inflicted. - Our prison not a separation, but an extension.

As such, the problem is when those who reach the conclusion of prison planet, most immediately write their hope into an above which sites above our above, regardless of the patterns they recognized till there, cognitive dissonance becomes immediately, again, the only way to hope, to dream.

When i finally arrived at the prison planet theory, i was not shocked or surprised. I felt relieved because the bigger picture finally made sense.

I think that's the ultimate point, truth is not there for those who reach for it, but for those who can no longer outrun it.

And, as my resolution, if I were to personally still be able to outrun it and someone took that away from me I would be mad. I would be angry that they dare present me with the same reiterated dream they just woke me up from, with urged hope in the same beast which they pretend to condemn.

Fear and hope are two sides of the same coin, and one person's journey to truth can only be individual, for ultimate truth is probably the death of hope.

- Which is why most people who end up at this theories do it thru trauma, not thru choice, for when the gentle veil of hope no longer cover their eyes, they are forced to witness. And the theories they come up with after are just attempts to rewove the veil, to reunite with hope.

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Any observations about atheists and their reactions to prison planet theory? Cuz even entertaining the idea of a creator is a big leap.

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In my experience, with atheists the issue is not the prison planet theory itself but the fact that it challenges materialism. They are strongly committed to materialism and have already decided that anything involving consciousness beyond the brain is impossible, so they'd dismiss the prison planet theory without really looking into the evidence. The resistance is not about the theory itself, but about their underlying assumptions.

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I felt validated by seeing point 1. I make no pretentions in explaining or spreading the world, no so much as it is a theory...albeit a most logical one...but I felt very much that it is a concept that everyone must do their own homework...to steal a well used talking point from a MAGA-ite(?)

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Our starting point in any discussion should be the first principles. It's easier to start with debunking materialism and dogmatic ways of thinking instead of just taking the jump and contradicting all of their beliefs at once. Let's take believers of religion for example. Don't start with "Your religious experiences are manufactured by archons", start with "Supernatual events indicate that there is a spiritual realm, it doesen't prove the religion".

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Osho says, truth is for the few.

Many will never understand no matter which words are strung together. Belief systems are the prison.

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If you were at a party and you strike up a conversation with an introspective person on the back patio whom you've just met, and she asks "what do you think life's all about?"

How would you answer that?

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You are always on point and very detailed , do check my recent 2 post on ppt I would really like to get your perspective on it .

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