Which exact Literacy/SoL values make pops political active ?

[Ruck]

I couldnt find anything on the wiki on that. I assume it must be a mix between literacy and SoL, but what numbers exactly?
Im not not talking about election/discrimination laws btw, I know that a pop can have election rights like in universal suffrage, but still is too poor or cant read, so has no political activity and doesnt contribute to IG clouts (well besides voting), although I think this only true for lower strata, as middle and high strata have good literacy and and SoL anyway.

What I found out in my Argentina game is, that I think once a Pop is political active, it stays so. I have many poor and low literacy worker pops from germany or the netherlands and they are political active, but argentinian workers with like 5 better SoL and 20% better literacy are not political active.

 

[CaesarVincens]

It's just a percentage, each profession has a base politically active percentage and literacy increases it. I don't think SoL/wealth impacts it at all.

I forget the exact details, but I think the real key is to think of politically inactive, or politically unaligned, as representing pops who are either "meh" about politics generally or don't have a particular pull towards any one group. Also, the summary for pops just represents the largest group, you need to look at the pop's details to see its full political affiliation breakdown.

 

[DWeird]

You can find the relevant info at \Victoria 3\game\common\pop_types

Here's an example of the relevant data for clerks:

clerks = {
    texture = "gfx/interface/icons/pops_icons/clerks.dds"
    strata = poor
    start_quality_of_life = 7
    color = hsv{ 0.28 0.40 0.75 }
    wage_weight = 1.5
    literacy_target = 0.20
    dependent_wage = 0.5    # per year
    unemployment = yes
    
    # 20% - 80% politically engaged   
    political_engagement_base = 0.20
    political_engagement_literacy_factor = 0.6
    
    political_engagement_mult = {
        value = 1       
        
        multiply = {
            desc = "HAS_POLITICAL_AGITATION"   
            value = 1.0
            
            if = {
                limit = {
                    owner = {
                        has_technology_researched = political_agitation
                    }
                }
                value = 1.5
            }       
        }       
    }

Don't have access to the code, but from what I can tell from context, it's a simple multiplier of a pop's literacy by their profession's political engagement factor. So these clerks would have +60% engagement on top of 20% base engagement when they achieve 100% literacy.

And yeah, far as I can tell, the only way SoL impacts this is indirectly through modifying literacy. Don't know the formula for that either though.


The main takeaway for me is that the rich/middle strata have their baseline level of political engagement set high at 70%, meaning that increasing literacy will do little for them at game end, but similarly, early buildings that give additional capitalist/academic jobs will have outsized political effects.

 

[AmpsterMan]

It's just a percentage, each profession has a base politically active percentage and literacy increases it. I don't think SoL/wealth impacts it at all.

I forget the exact details, but I think the real key is to think of politically inactive, or politically unaligned, as representing pops who are either "meh" about politics generally or don't have a particular pull towards any one group. Also, the summary for pops just represents the largest group, you need to look at the pop's details to see its full political affiliation breakdown.

I think of politically unaligned groups like people who discuss politics, have political leanings, even go out and vote but don't really have a say in how their group operates.

I.e. your uncle saying things in Thanksgiving might count as support for the Petite Bourgeoisie, but he's not doing anything to influence the group itself so he's not active

 

[Ruck]

You can find the relevant info at \Victoria 3\game\common\pop_types

Here's an example of the relevant data for clerks:

clerks = {
    texture = "gfx/interface/icons/pops_icons/clerks.dds"
    strata = poor
    start_quality_of_life = 7
    color = hsv{ 0.28 0.40 0.75 }
    wage_weight = 1.5
    literacy_target = 0.20
    dependent_wage = 0.5    # per year
    unemployment = yes
 
    # 20% - 80% politically engaged
    political_engagement_base = 0.20
    political_engagement_literacy_factor = 0.6
 
    political_engagement_mult = {
        value = 1    
     
        multiply = {
            desc = "HAS_POLITICAL_AGITATION"
            value = 1.0
         
            if = {
                limit = {
                    owner = {
                        has_technology_researched = political_agitation
                    }
                }
                value = 1.5
            }    
        }    
    }

Don't have access to the code, but from what I can tell from context, it's a simple multiplier of a pop's literacy by their profession's political engagement factor. So these clerks would have +60% engagement on top of 20% base engagement when they achieve 100% literacy.

And yeah, far as I can tell, the only way SoL impacts this is indirectly through modifying literacy. Don't know the formula for that either though.


The main takeaway for me is that the rich/middle strata have their baseline level of political engagement set high at 70%, meaning that increasing literacy will do little for them at game end, but similarly, early buildings that give additional capitalist/academic jobs will have outsized political effects.

Ok, so I looked up the file for laborers:

# 0% - 70% politically engaged
political_engagement_base = 0.0
political_engagement_literacy_factor = 0.7

So that means that they have 0% base, but if they would have 100% literacy, then 70% of their population should be active, right ?
So then at 50% Literacy 35% of their population should be active ? I have dozens of laborers at 50% literacy, some at 60% and they are all polically inactive, completely inactive, the number is shown in grey and they are not discriminated.