Re-add in-app donation and pride flags #1
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This reverts commit b0a96fc.
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These sound like sensible, easy win additions to me. 👍Maintaining voluntary donation links in our spaces is something everyone should be able to get behind. 😸 |
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I was about to fork Bazaar to remove the unnecessary agenda and ideology from the software but PureStore already did it. While I highly respect all walks of folks here on Earth as I have too many friends and relatives across the spectrum of biopsychosociospirituoquantum realm, I STRONGLY believe that software must be free from unnecessary agenda. The only agenda the software must have is "the purpose of the software and the problem it is trying to solve". In the case of Bazaar and PureStore this agenda must be to provide a better software installation for the new technologies. And just like the UNIX philosophy, a software must do one thing and do it well. PureStore must do software installation well and for the most part it is just that and only that. No other agenda but to do one thing well. |
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I agree that no political or divisive features should be added, but the ability to customise bar colours or gradients is also good. However, any flags should be kept outside. If you want them, you should be able to add them, but I should not be forced to have any software containing ideology on my computer. |
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Y'know, yall should stop calling them ideologies. Because every time you do it makes it painfully obvious that you are just bigots being bigoted pricks. Maybe educate yourselves by asking and listening to queer people, instead of just listening to what people like lunduke say. |
What's wrong calling them ideologies or agenda? There's nothing wrong with what you are fighting for. All the respect for the queer people. I had some time working in a mental health facility and had help a lot of distressed people accepting themselves as queer. I am never a bigot against the queer folks. But calling us bigots is your own bigotry against non-queer people who just wants a better software that adheres to best practices and UI design philosophies. |
Is disagreeing with something bigotry? Either way, this merge request also addresses the reinclusion of the original donation button, a topic that we haven't discussed yet. |
It's bigotry to call it such. It's a dog whistle that leans towards erasure, "ideology", "agenda", these are words used by those who are against our existence. If you truly work with us and are positive for our existence you should KNOW this. You should KNOW how horrible these words are used against queer people CONSTANTLY advocating for our erasure. Advocating for us to not use the things that comfort us, advocating for us to not put parts of ourselves into the world and our environment. https://glaad.org/gender-ideology-definition-meaning-anti-lgbt-online-hate/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/12/10/breaking-buzzword-fighting-gender-ideology-myth https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/ Putting pride flags into Bazaar does not prevent its normal function of retrieving flatpaks from flathub. It is simply a tiny bit of color put into the software to spice it up. Anyone queer and queer accepting is for the feature, because it does not prevent normal function, and indeed just makes the loading bar a bit more fun and free spirited. The queer people who make your favorite software will put small parts of ourselves into it as aesthetic lean. As anyone who makes software will put small aesthetic touches into it that match their own sense of style and aesthetic. Software should occasionally have fun parts to it. You are not against Tux existing. You are not against a blue loading bar. You are not against company logos. You are not against Flathub having logos for flatpaks and screenshots of software. You are against queer pride flags as loading bar. Your OWN ideology is obvious to any who look. "Low priority niceties that take a few seconds to put in to make software a bit more personal and heartfelt are, indeed just kinda nice. The snowfall of ZSnes, circuit board art, Google Chrome's dinosaur game. Software isn't just mechanical because we are not mechanical." Software can occasionally be artful in a way that advances the overall use of the software. We are making guis here. We can be slightly artful about it. I shouldn't have to explain why it's an awful thing to remove the donation buttons from Bazaar. Optional donations that point out you can support the developers of your favorite software should be an easy win for everyone. Not forced, not paid-for software, not proprietary, optional donations put in front of folks who are using and liking flatpaks as software. Open source devs deserve more money and more personal attention than they get right now, and we can do that non-obtrusively. Lots of people don't think of donations or the devs who make the software, so pointing it out in a small way can help guide them to contributing to the causes of software they like. Can help these software devs exist and continue to make software. I would be against "nag ware", the idea of the software putting a popup of donations, or preventing download in any way unless donation happens. That is not the case here. It is an optional button on the page. Nothing more, nothing less. I am personally against Purestore's changes and ask you to please stop this fork's actions, for making the software worse, for making the software world a little worse. No one can actually stop you as the software is freely forkable of course, but I will at least politely ask. The head devs of Bazaar do not approve, I do not approve, and a whole host of other users do not approve of Purestore's changes and actions as a fork. |
To be honest, I completely disagree with your opinion, excluding the donation part. Ultimately, it's the magic of free software, and everyone should be allowed to do whatever they want, even if we don't agree. |
@jasongodev I encourage you to reread your statement and ask yourself if people's rights to exist is an unnecessary agenda to you |
Unnecessary to the software. Of course it is a valid agenda elsewhere. |
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So people's rights to exist is unnecessary to the software? |
software is software everyone can use it but its out of focus for the function of the software nobody should have special treatment its just a pointless addition that only divides i think tommorow will make an merge request to re add the donation option because i see that as an actual problem of this fork |
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I asked a simple question: is people's rights to exist unnecessary to the software |
absolutly unnecesary just like adding my country flag nobody needs it |
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Lemme ask another question to @jasongodev and @diegosace2000 How are either of you harmed by there being an option (not a default) to set a pride flag color scheme? Are you truly harmed in any way? Or is just purely just an ideological issue to you, that our existence as queer people should never show up anywhere even in the software that we make ourselves? And how does it justify making a fork purely to spit in our faces? |
i manage the computer for some family members they are small kids i don’t want them to see all this things at any level |
Why? Because frankly, this seems like a double standard when cis/straight people shit is included all the fucking time in literally everything with nobody batting an eye? What makes us so horrifying that we need to be singled out and oppressed for the sake of "small kids"? Is it really that horrifying for them to learn that some men love other men or that some people don't want to enter into relationships with anyone? |
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I want to point out that none of those same kids you were talking about will ever open preferences dialog. |
thats their parents job to explain not mine even if i dint have to deal with that its just tiring to have this stuff everywhere ..you f**k something? great but don’t tell everyone and push flags even in even a darn package manager ...no wonder why people are intolerant again |
And what makes it okay that you are currently pushing your agenda against my will?
No one's fucking anybody or anything. You are pushing your misinterpretation of this so-called agenda to your children |
How tf not adding something is pushing an agenda |
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You're pushing a rethoric that disallows us from expressing our rights |
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political ideologies should not exist in software world |
the FOSS movement itself is a progressive political ideology. |
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@jasongodev @diegosace2000 @Dhanush-Proj |
For f"ck sake can't we all not agree to disagree |
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Not when you're pushing your agenda against us by debating our rights |
How hipocritical |
Is it? Last I checked, I'm not the one debating your rights to exist |
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(Not to mention, I'm certainly not the one making it look like pride is about fucking #1 (comment)) |
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I don't have quarrel with the queer people. In fact I fought together with my LGBTQIA+ friends and colleagues for their rights during my nursing years and being co-chair to the human development division of a nation psychology organization. I've helped people in distress about their gender identity and have been friends with them since. I have no quarrel with you people. But when it comes to software development, let's focus on software development. It's not the place to say all our rights. I do not mean that your rights are not important. What I say is that apps are not the place to do it. Do it somewhere else where it will have the most impact. If everyone will put their feet forward to assert their rights into the software then we will overcrowd the software with messaging about all sorts of rights: gender rights, gun ownership rights, rights to health care, rights to universal wage, rights to not have kids, etc etc. Everyone has their take about their rights and I get it and I respect that. But having everyone put their own message into the software will make the software crowded with messaging that are not necessary to the functioning of the software. Removing all ideologies and agendas out of the software does not mean your rights are trampled. It does not diminish your rights nor assert dominance on the part of the developers who want the messaging removed. It's just plain, agnostic, pragmatic software design principle. I did not know it will blow up to this complication. I have nothing bad to say or do with the queer people and yet I was called a bigot and was judged to have "0 code". Why? I just have a software design opinion and It did not have any intention to reduce anyone else rights. And yet I was called names and put to bad light. Again I don't have quarrel among the queer people. But if my sincere clarification I mentioned here still offends you, then my apologies. I will just have to make peace with the idea that this software is your prerogative and if you want the queer messaging on it then so be it, it's your software after all. If someone forked it and made changes to the code then it's their call as well. But I won't be involving myself any longer with any of Bazaar software or its forks because I do not want to quarrel with anyone just because of a software design principle that I happen to have an opinion without any intention to trample on anyone's rights. Peace and love to everyone and best of the best with your respective softwares. |
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"I'm not racist, I have black friends" |
please don't escalate it not everything needs to be related to anything |
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Comparing the rights to exist with propaganda techniques and Nazism, classic |
Stop whining about colors and if you have your ideology good for you happy for you but please don't push that to everywhere |
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Ironic Though I'm just going to block you; you're not worth my valuable time |
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😂 |
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I hope future discussions are more calm |
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Hi!
I felt that keeping the in-app donation for kolunmi would be a good idea, since this fork has relatively small changes from the original and doesn't seem to be intended as a hard-fork of the project!
I also felt that keeping the pride flag setting would be nice because they're just nice and also because queer pride is pretty heavily tied into bazaar's identity!
please do consider merging this, thank you!