Just so everybody is aware:OpenGate's head manager is also the head admin of hrtcafe (.) netThey selectively refuse to list certain homebrewers to keep their own employers the highest market share, hrtcafe is an EXTREMELY corrupt organization that works to keep benefitting OpenGate Labs/Silver Maple Labs/TeaHRT while making sure any other domestic homebrewer don't have the ability to get their operation out there and visible to the public. They do this by purposefully via not verifying new homebrewers when new homebrewers try to get added to the list.Watch them come into this thread and deny this.t. formerly worked with teahrt/OGL
>>41832920 (OP)any other homebrewers you'd recommend, OP?
>just trust me bro
>>41832956yeah if op really gives a shit or has a compelling reason why anyone else should then they should be able to name some
>>41832920 (OP)if this was true (it's not), what alternatives would you suggest
>>41832920 (OP)>no exact matches foundsay more
lena = zelensky btw
>>41832920 (OP)Plurality can be a good thing, it doesn't have to be all under one roofWe're in a time of need folks, no need to treat it like a competition where someone has to come out 'on top'
Sounds like someone should set up an alternative
>>41832920 (OP)proof or gtfo
>>41832920 (OP)is opengate bad or something, their stuff worked when i bought from them before they rebranded
>>41835012no, this is just some schizo
NTOP. Zoey owns a homebrewing Discord server, to which she directs people from the TransDIY Discord server. I'm fairly confident she is the person OP is referring to, as she helps operate OpenGateLabs. She and TeaHRT were responsible for the management change in February 2024. Since then, HRTCafe has become corrupt, dictating what should and shouldn't be on the website, which was previously focused on freedom of expression. Zoey and TeaHRT are still communicating and collaborating with each other to this day.You can find some information in the archives regarding the acquisition of HRTCafe by TeaHRT & OpenGateLabs: https://archive.ph/Mq5Tx, https://archive.ph/sooVA, and https://archive.ph/c1MUi
>>41835049you're obviously op and these screenshots seem kinda unrelated to the claim that hrtcafe is refusing to list certain vendors. If this is true, please give an example of a vendor that isn't listed.
biiiiiiiiiiig drama
>>41835049>dictating what should and shouldn't be on the website, which was previously focused on freedom of expressionWhat does this even mean?
>>41835021i just hope they ship my order soon and it's not bad
>>41835074I am not OP. I am providing supporting evidence that shows TeaHRT and Zoey (OpenGateLabs) had a conflict of interest before HRTCafe was handed over to them. OP is only mentioning what happened recently, which doesn't surprise me because this situation has been developing for almost two years.>>41835076Yeah, this is ancient drama at this point>>41835081This is what it represented at the time:>We believe that nobody should face any kind of threat or action aimed at purging knowledge from this world. Therefore, we are committed to archiving and preserving controversial and contested knowledge and information.>https://archive.ph/H5VRN
>>41835049I don't think what issue you have with this website is worth fucking with the opsec of homebrewers over
>>41832920 (OP)were all using diyhrt.market now anyway because cafe hasnt been updated since vanna got shut down
>>41835729I'm not primarily responsible for "fucking with the opsec of homebrewers". The individuals and homebrewers I've mentioned are the ones who disclosed their legal name/s on their Discord profiles and wiki contributions and have even left messages in the Discord servers I've referred to, revealing what they do. It is their responsibility to maintain the integrity of their opsec
>>41833161wtf I love ukraine (even more) now???!
>>41835049Im not surprised there's a conflict of interest now but don't pretend your time as site owner was any better. You think that publishing the court cases of homebrewers benefits our community somehow? Also didn't you steal donations to hrtcafe
>>41832920 (OP)I’m so fucking glad I can just leach off of the existing ugl steroids subculture for testosterone instead of needing to interact with a network of psychos mixing chink cyanide powder with avocado oil and their own cum in a rusted out bathtub.
>>41836901>You think that publishing the court cases of homebrewers benefits our community somehow? Might it not help other homebrewers strategize to avoid getting nabbed (or at least sentenced) themselves?
>>41832956>>41833034>>41833045hera hrt and aurelia labs/inject.onions are not listed even in the unverified section when vendors clearly below their grade like Lena are listed there. Otokonoko is also listed even though they dont filter their shit. Hera HRT is also listed on diyhrt.marketallies site (listed in unverified section) has a document on her site making the same claims about a conflict of interestallies-site[.]org/blog/guides-release/it's in the tarball at guides[.]tar[.]gz\guides[.]tar\.\allie\frontend\faq[.]md. picrel
>>41836958technically i can buy estrogen vials from the chinese too but theyre 10mg/ml which is terrible. im presently plannin on ordering my own cyanide powder and bathtub to evolve my hon powers from just snorting progesterone and taking peptides like the rest of them.
>>41836901>Im not surprised there's a conflict of interest nowAre you unable to read? The conflict of interest has been ongoing for nearly two years>You think that publishing the court cases of homebrewers benefits our community somehow?Refer to the greentext and archive in >>41835204. Disclosing knowledge and information that was already public would have been the point of the Freedom of Expression page, which had existed since the wiki's inception. Since you really want to go there and seem to imply that information should be censored, how can someone support HRTCafe's transition from an open, editable wiki to a closed site where content is controlled by individuals who have a conflict of interest with vendors?>Also didn't you steal donations to hrtcafeBefore accusing anyone, you need to back up your claims, as a competent person would>>41837417Thank you for sharing this info; I was not aware that vendors had publicly expressed the issue
>>41837984Can you explain, in one sentence, how you spent the money donated to the site? Why is HRT index supposed to have a page full of kfarm links and doxes of different homebrewers? do you really think the diy community thinks this would benefit them.
>>41838126>Can you explain, in one sentence, how you spent the money donated to the site?You're not supporting your claims, so to provide some public information that partly helps answer your question, you can check the archives to see who received donations and through which payment methods: https://web.archive.org/web/20240109035720/https://hrtcafe.net/index.php/Project:Donate & https://web.archive.org/web/20240109041610/https://hrtcafe.net/index.php?title=Project:Donate&action=history. I believe you are implying that I am XYZ, based on the previous archive links I sent. The archive links for the Donate page suggest XYZ received cryptocurrency operating on a public blockchain, which allows you to see the amounts received and spent by cross-referencing the addresses. Only the BTC address received a payment, which was a total of 11.68 USD. Finally, based on the comment above the Stripe checkout link, the founder of the site operated the Stripe, which does not publicly disclose the amounts received and spent>Why is HRT index supposed to have a page full of kfarm links and doxes of different homebrewers? do you really think the diy community thinks this would benefit themYou seem to be unfamiliar with the meanings of "freedom of expression", "censorship", "disclosing knowledge and information", "public information", and "open editable wiki"
>>41832920 (OP)I thought this was known? Like it's pretty obvious who runs OGL/hrtcafe their opsec is terrible and they have footprints all over discord
>>41835012They are alright just very overpriced for what it is. Homebrewing is not hard and if you plan on doing HRT long term you may aswell order chink raws and DIY
>>41838545I doubt it. The first posts I see in threads this week from people asking for DIY sources direct users to HRTCafe. The moderators of the subreddit delete controversial threads, including those specifically related to the current management at HRTCafe, because one of the moderators has a conflict of interest with the current operators of HRTCafe. Exactly a year ago, a mod banned the founder of HRTCafe based on the freedom of expression page discussed in this thread, despite no threads in the subreddit warranting the ban. There's a significant monopoly among the major homebrewers that people aren't aware of
>>41837417The former admin schizo-ing out in this thread aside, this is actually pretty good evidence. you have another homebrewer independently attesting to the apparent bias at hrtcafe, and seems to have experienced this bias firsthandwhy doesn't hrtcafe just list all these other vendors if they don't want to be seen as colluding with opengate. has to be a reason why they're not even in the unverified section
>>41832920 (OP)ogl is honestly a shit homebrewer anyway, every single day you'll have someone complaining about how slow their shipping takes
I hate everyone in this thread.>>41832920 (OP)You don't work with Tea. You stole this photo from when she posted on /lgbt/ many months back.https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/35525291/>>41835049There is no reason for Spiffy's court documents to be made public. Her real name deserves to be out of our mouths and out of our opposition's mouths. Any prospective homebrewer with a genuine interest in her case must be competent enough to find it themselves.>>41837417Hera is a horrible candidate for verification or anything that would give her legitimacy. She advertised her site in the most autistic manner possible on 4tran4, a subreddit filled to the brim with edgy LARPing children that TERFs and chuds alike monitor like a hawk. Shows horrible judgement. She has also failed significantly in OPsec in ways that jeopardize her own safety and that of her customers. I would prefer not to talk about them, but for starters, she sends out all of her automated emails via a random fucking Gmail address. I have fewer problems with inject.onions but I don't personally love their unverifiable claims about an "ISO 5 cleanroom". That said, you're right -- there's not much of a good reason for them not to be on HRTCafe. Good point, and good link to Allie. There is way, way, way more money in homebrewing than people think. It is a ton of work but considering the huge customer base and profit margins, there is lots of money to be made. Though, I disagree with Allie on her issues with industrialization. It is a legal and personal liability to make you, as a homebrewer, responsible for patient education. You are responsible for any adverse effects that your instructions or any mistakes thereof cause. Their personal community or an online community is much better suited to that. Industrialization lowers prices as well (though the current OGL monopoly does not do that).I also don't like Open Gate for a few reasons, I'm running into the character limit though so that comes next post.
cont >>41844734For starters, OGL (both in their parts and as a whole) has made repeated opsec failures in several areas. Like with Hera, it would only hurt people to publicly expose them, but there's one we all know and can agree on. I think back to something from the Darknet Vendor's Bible (which, while outdated, is required reading for any clandestine internet vendor). They say you should switch up storefronts and aliases every year or so... but, over the span of 3-6 months, you have to either take a break or operate both of your stores at the same time so that it's more difficult to correlate the two. Tea and Silvermaple shut down immediately preceding the launch of OGL, which let anyone with more than 3 braincells put the pieces together. They knew better than that. (inb4 but then there wouldn't have been anyone! so you either get the resources together to operate both stores at the same time, or you put your selfishness aside and bootstrap a different vendor to fill the gap while you take a break.)And like >41843636 said, they're just not very well run. Given the profit inherent in a large-scale homebrewing operation, they should do better at shipping.On a more personal note, I had the displeasure of meeting one of the current OGL staff members IRL a year or two ago, and I'm not happy at their continued presence in the scene and broader community. They did awful things, bragged about them (on the board of all places), and spend their money in ways that will almost certainly lead to them getting arrested for financial crimes of all reasons. Despite opportunity to change and grow, they haven't. But this part of my screed is little more than some random tranny bitching online since I don't want to make allegations that I can't prove without doxing people.
>>41844734>>41844800do you think the vials they sell are bad?? should i order from some1 else?
>>41844833Thank you that's actually the one thing I forgot to mention. At the end of the day, while I don't know much about the actual process, they do seem to be good, competent brewers who sell good product. I stab myself with OGL Een weekly. They're just bad at everything else lol.
>>41844800They being publicly cocky is a huge red flag for someone who runs this kind of "business" and also sounds like spiffy
>>41844837This whole thing had me worried for a sec as I just purchased from Open gates for the first time today thought i was cooked
>>41843636a while back they stopped shipping for over a month straight because they were all in thailand together getting surgeries and partying. then kept lying on reddit and also pretending to be normal non-biased users on their known alt accounts about how it was all USPS fault when tracking said label created for a month without ever being picked up. profit over people as always>>41844734>>41844800most obvious teapost of all time. you are not fooling anyone
>>41844932hello its me tea hrt you need to send me $50 so i can afford to make more vials.. please
I'm sure most employees of OpenGateLabs are fine, normal people, but I worry with them being so high profile and well known, that if they get caught, them being transnational and having networks of shippers and brewers, that they run the risk of getting RICO charges and that would lead to Tea or whoever the main management is to getting like 50 years in prison which would be really sad to see for people who are just trying to help other transgender people get lifesaving medication. Plus a diy hrt rico case would probably be all over the news and lead to lawmakers making estrogen a controlled substance or something.
>>41832920 (OP)I have 2 months of e and prog 200mg left after 3 years, where should I order from? Tried lena and otonoko(agp af packaging) brésilien een juice but idk what the meta is now. Post srs so I just take e
>>41837417Any active aggregates other than teahrt you would recommend?
>>41844932>a while back they stopped shipping for over a month straight because they were all in thailand together getting surgeries and partyingummm based based based
