Just a dog — Patricia Taxxon Weirdly Defending Zoophilia

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Patricia Taxxon Weirdly Defending Zoophilia

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Reply by kyleemclauren:  "This starts off great, but holy shit, don't throw zoophiles under the bus? The whole start was about how the tension between bestiality and factory farming is actually worth discussing, then dismisses it immediately with "well yeah but the difference is zoophiles are terrible people who just wanna hurt animals!" No!?!? This man has never spoken to a zoophile in his life!  Zoophiles like animals, that's the point. The zoophile population are, on the whole, fanatical supporters of animal rights; there is indeed an outsized population of vegans. Whenever I talk about category bigotry, this is a prime example: 'being sadists' is the one directed at zoos! There are plenty of zoos who want to make sure their dog is the best cared for and most loved dog in the entire world. There are exclusively romantic zoos. There are zoos obsessed with the mechanics of learning animal body language, to be able to accurately flirt. It's not about the power imbalance, it's about finding animals sexually attractive, and again, that's fine. There is no thought crime.  The struggle of every paraphile is to get other people to look at their own disgust and ask "why?"  If you want to train your dog to come to an area on command and hold still for a handjob they didn't ask for, the American Kennel Club has a guide you can download on their website. It will talk you through the full mechanics of dog breeding, which also include forcing a bitch to have sex she doesn't want, with the goal of keeping her pregnant for life so she can produce maximal economic value. Consent is not mentioned, even once. This is perfectly legal.  On the other hand, if your dog is horny, and keeps humping your leg, and you think it would be hot to fuck him? ...well yeah, why is that wrong? You're both enjoying yourselves, there's not even alleged thought crime happening.  The ability to consent derives from autonomy. The commercial breeding example is a situation where the dog is denied autonomy. The casual fuck is a situation where he is not. That's why the first feels like it should be wrong, and the second feels like it could be right.  Zoophiles will talk your ear off about how failure to respect animal autonomy means our notions of animal consent are horribly inadequate. They fail to capture the harms of commercial farming, or really even think about human-animal relations in a meaningful way at all. Zoophiles say yes, animals have autonomy, and that means both giving them a choice, and having their choices respected. That means respecting their ability to say yes. If you do not, you haven't given them a choice. It is the job of the human partner to make sure the animal is given that choice in a meaningful way, and is protected from harm if they accept.  It is not hypocritical of zoophiles to point out the answer from everyone else has been a resounding no, and that there appear to be no prohibitions on anything you might want to do to an animal for money. Anti-bestiality laws all tend to be written like "BEING ZOO IS BAD (*unless you're a farm and want to do exactly the same things on a commercial scale)", the act itself flagrantly doesn't matter, just whether or not you enjoy doing it.  The resolution of this dilemma is important, it is another a queer rights issue where a very small and very unpopular minority is suffering because a much larger majority thinks it's icky. I will stand up for them too. There is a very real debate to be had here, but that minority is censored into oblivion almost everywhere, and it is in my fundamental nature to protect them."ALT
response by patricia-taxxon:  "What? I’m with you for some parts, disgust over individual deviants obfuscating broader structural issues mainly, but the important issue here is the ownership, your dog, disgust over deviant attraction need not be a part of the argument. it’s the same issue as fucking your kid or student or employee. I will not take an absolutist stance and say all of this is defacto harmful in all cases where it occurs, I know the statistics on CSA recovery tells an optimistic 25% chance of the event eventually turning into something positive for the survivor later in life, the issue is that in the cases where real harm is caused the group is wholly incapable of self-advocacy either through ignorance, practical inability or structural limitations. This feels like an argument in favor of raping one’s slaves, like it’s missing so many of the core components of consent & I’d really like you to consider expanding this logic to certain groups of structurally disadvantaged humans on this earth before saying it."ALT

By comparing it to relationships between people with unequal power, like a teacher and a student or a boss and an employee, Patricia makes it sound like these acts exist on a scale of morality rather than being clearly abusive. She minimizes the issue of consent by claiming such acts aren’t “automatically harmful,” even though animals cannot consent. Her mention of supposed child abuse recovery statistics, that she likely made up, further blurs moral lines and attempts to justify exceptions.

Her argument centers on human control rather than animal protection, effectively defending the idea of sex with animals.

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