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>a locked religion could be keyed if it wasnt rusted
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I think a lot of things could be improved by removing the child rape from them
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>>2445707didnt happen award
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>>2445710were you the cuck or the bull
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>>2445713He was the witness
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>>2445696 (OP)Mary was 12 when she was married to joseph
▶ №2445720[Quote]>>2445727
>>2445719Joseph was more of a caretaker figure to Mary, that is why they never consummated the marriage, nor did they plan to.
▶ №2445727[Quote]>>2445728
>>2445720The new testament states they were legally married and that joseph "did not consummate the marriage until she gave birth to a son" (Matthew 1:25)
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>>2445719doesnt this claim come from speculations of historians based on the marriage customs at the time?
im not sure how important joseph is in christianity but i assume unlike muhammad he isnt an "excellent example for all christians to follow"
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>>2445728How good sir also another toss' delaware had the age of consent minimumly set at 7 until 1889
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>>2445719She was impregnated by a roman bvll
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>>2445731Joseph's marriage to mary is not based on speculation because the New Testament directly calls mary his wife and states that he did not know her until after she gave birth which only fits a normal legal marriage
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>>2445746are you retarded? we are talking about her age at marriage to not if the marriage happened
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>>2445746Let's say I tell my child that he is not to get a tattoo until he is 18. Am I explicitly telling him, then, he must get a tattoo when he turns 18? No. In the same way, saying that Joseph did not know Mary until she gave birth does not explicitly communicate that he did afterward.
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>>2445746Christian sources protevangellum of james describe mary being married around puberty and historians confirm that jewish girls in the first century mostly married between twelve and fourteen if im not wrong
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>>2445755"until" can be flexible in English but the greek word used in Matthew 1 25 heos does not function the same way, koine greek when heos is paired with a negative phrase like "did not know her" its naturally switches after the point in time being described this is reasson why every major greek lexicon and commentary knows that the plain reading implies consummation after the birth
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>>2445731Joseph IS perfect role model for christians because the argument is simply that if someone wants to use historical ages to judge one religion then it requires applying the same standard to all historical figures regardless of their religious status
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>>2445787>argument is simply that if someone wants to use historical ages to judge one religion then it requires applying the same standard to all historical figures regardless of their religious statusgod youre genuinely retarded, the main reason why the fact that your prophet married a 9 year old is problematic for your religion is because allah himself declared him as an excellent example for all muslims to follow
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>>2445757isnt this a forged text?
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>>2445795Yeah it is considered apocryphal and not part of the canonical bible though that does not make it useless for historical study historians use apocryphal texts all the time to understand early Christian beliefs and social practices in context the text consistently depicts Mary as very young at betrothal which aligns with archaeological and demographic evidence about Jewish marriage customs supported by works like
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>>2445794What's your point exactly then
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Anyway im busy at the moment for 2 to 3 hours if you're planning to continue this discussion.
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>>2445696 (OP)sometimes I feel like this gif in reverse when my mother says I used to have blonde hair when I was a kid
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>>2445891Could you give me an example of this distinction between literal and eschatological usage?
>standard greek lexicons (BDAG Lifdell Scott) and biblical commentaries consistently interpret this as implying marital relations after the birthI have no reason to trust these sources over the interpretations of the Church.
>>2445892Probably not, I feel like I don't really have reason to believe that your interpretation is correct here, but maybe I'm just out of my depth linguistically. I need to go to bed anyway. Have a good night.
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>>2445896Live footage of Anatolia after the Seljuk Turks displaced the Greeks
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>>2445903Even though we and the anatolian greeks have gone through a shared process of ethnogenesis
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>>2445922and this
>>2445896 is the result
