The Age of Disclosure (2025) - Documentary Transcript

[Reporter] On Capitol Hill today, a bipartisan call for more government transparency on UFOs, or as the military calls them, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, UAPs.

The objects have been detected essentially where all operations, Navy operations are being conducted across the world.

The technology that we faced was far superior than anything we have currently or we're gonna have in the next 20 years.

Unidentified aerial phenomena are a potential national security threat and they need to be treated that way.

[Man] United States government has gathered a great deal of information about UAPs over many decades, but has refused to share it with the American people. That is wrong, and additionally, it breeds mistrust.

"...I spent 11 years in the US Navy as a fighter pilot..."

"...For 18 years, I flew fighters for the US Navy..."

"...I spent 20 years working in the US intelligence community..."

"...I served as the fourth Director of National Intelligence..."

"...I spent 25 years as a senior official with the CIA..."

"...I retired from the Navy as a one-star admiral after 32 years of service..."

"...I worked on highly classified UAP programs for the government as a senior scientist..." "...I spent 32 years in and out of government in national security..."

"...I've worked 28 years as an astrophysicist on highly classified UAP programs for the United States government and for the defense industry..."

"...I'm a professor in the department of pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine. And for the last ten years or so, I've been working with the Department of Defense and people in the CIA on the UAP topic..."

"...I've come to the conclusion that we are not only not alone in the universe, but we have been discovered by an intelligence from some other part of the universe..."

"...There's evidence we are not alone..."

"...Humanity is not the only intelligent species in the universe..."

"...We're not alone in the universe..."

"...I wouldn't be so arrogant to suggest there are no other forms of life out there..." "...Humanity is not the only intelligence in the universe..."

"...UAPs are real. They're here and they're not human..."

"...There are other intelligences that have highly advanced exotic craft interacting with the human population..."

"...They are here. This is real. It's happening. It's happening now..."

"...Non-human intelligence exists. It's been interacting with humanity and it's been doing so on this planet for a long time..."

"...We are not the only intelligent life form in the universe..."

"...There's something here on the planet with us that is intelligent and more intelligent than us..." "...This is the biggest discovery in human history..."

My name is Lue Elizondo. In 2009, my life changed forever. That's when I was recruited into a highly sensitive government program that investigated Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, UAP, also commonly known as UFOs.

My work for the US government goes back almost 30 years to when I joined the US Army. From there, I had the good fortune of being recruited into various programs within military intelligence. During my career, I served my country around the world, managing and directing missions, including counter narcotics, counter-espionage, counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency. And it was later in my career that I actually began running special access programs for the US government, and in some cases reported directly to the White House and the National Security Council.

My name is Jay Stratton, and for over 16 years on behalf of the US government, I worked as a senior intelligence official on the UAP topic.

I joined the Army at the age of 17 and left for a career in military intelligence with eight combat deployments, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

After the Army, I joined Naval Intelligence, and then I transitioned to the Defense Intelligence Agency, where I was the chief of air and space warfare inside of the Defense Warning office. It was at the DIA that my colleagues and I started getting reports of what are now called UAP.

We went all over the government, pentagon, every intelligence agency, anywhere we could think to try to find the UAP program, assuming there was one. As far as we could tell, no one in the United States government had a UAP program, so my colleagues and I began a new program, which ultimately became AATIP.

The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, AATIP.

[Jay] The funding for this effort was sponsored by then Senate majority leader Senator Harry Reid.

And together myself, Jay Stratton and our team for nearly a decade investigated UAP incidents around the world. Based on hard evidence and data, we learned that UAPs present serious national security concerns and a potential existential threat.

Simply put, transmedium crafts, vehicles that have the capability to operate in space, air, and water, and seemingly defy all that humanity knows about physics have been operating with complete impunity around the world since at least the 1940s.

At AATIP, we had access to some of the most sensitive videos in the Department of Defense inventory. If you could be in my shoes and see what I've seen, and folks like Jay Stratton, there would be zero shadow of a doubt that these things are real and they are not made by humans.

The things that I've seen, the clearest videos, the best evidence that we have that these are non-human intelligence remain classified.

The classified data that we had access to when we joined the program was indisputable.

There's 80 years of this data that the public isn't even aware of.

I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.

For 23 years and ten months, I was in the United States Air Force as an A-10 pilot. And while I was at NORAD, I witnessed an event that I will remember forever.

There was a unknown object we were tracking on radars. And the commander says, "I want that target." That means intercept it.

Fighters all the way down the eastern seaboard were scrambled, and none of the fighters were successful in intercepting or running it down.

We were unable to maintain air sovereignty over North America.

On November 14th, 2004, we were onboard the USS Nimitz, which is a nuclear aircraft carrier.

I was the most senior person in the squadron flying. I had launched off Nimitz to do an air defense exercise off the coast of San Diego, California.

And I ended up chasing a UAP known as the Tic Tac UAP.

It was about 40 feet long and just sitting there in space. You can see it start to accelerate. And as it gets in front of us, it's gone.

This thing was doing 32,000 miles an hour, so obviously that technology is not the United States.

[Alex Dietrich] As we were watching this Tic Tac object maneuver in this bizarre way, it was obvious that it wasn't conventional. This was defying those laws of physics, laws of gravity that as pilots we live and die by.

We literally had these things stalking Navy vessels on deployment.

The frequency in which UAP were being reported to us was increasing.

They were ubiquitous. We were seeing them nearly daily.

[Man] My gosh, there's a whole fleet of 'em. Look on the SA!

And then we actually almost had a midair with one of these objects. This now became a safety issue.

Two aircraft from my squadron were flying in close proximity to each other in section formation, so about 150 feet apart or so. One of these objects went right in between those two aircraft, right past the lead aircraft. The lead aircraft was visually able to see the object, and he simply described it as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere.

To be clear, non-human intelligence has been actively conducting ISR, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance of some of our most sensitive US military facilities and nuclear sites.

They have both deactivated and activated nuclear weapons with both the United States and Russia.

The nuclear weapons that were activated in Russia were pointed at us, and from that perspective, the stakes really could not be any higher.

This is an emerging and disruptive threat for the US and truly a national security concern.

By the way, this isn't just happening here in the US. It's happening all over the world and occurring with greater frequency.

[Christopher Mellon] When I met Lue Elizondo in the Pentagon, he made me aware not only that this phenomenon was real, but it was an ongoing persistent phenomenon.

The Secretary of Defense didn't know, the Congress didn't know, senior policymakers didn't know, and nobody was doing anything about it other than Lue and a handful of colleagues.

I was shocked and I was stunned, and immediately was concerned about intelligence failures that have occurred in the past and the disasters that have ensued, and determined immediately to do whatever I could to help get Lue to the Secretary of Defense to move that information forward.

Each time Jay and I and others tried to raise the alarm bells and bring this issue up to the appropriate level, we were met with fierce resistance.

The stigma alone and the taboo of the topic, the historical association of "UFOs" was something that for most people in leadership positions was too big of a pill to swallow.

In fact, the stigma was so strong that people either believed, A, the topic wasn't real, or B, the stigma was going to somehow taint or tarnish their career, so they didn't want to touch it.

We couldn't get the leadership in the Pentagon to look at the actual scientific data that showed that there is a strong national security threat. They were more worried about the impact on their reputation than they were about the safety of the nation.

[Jay] On top of that, we were shocked to find we were getting pushback from people in the Pentagon based on their religious beliefs.

There really were religious fundamentalist extremists with in the Pentagon that had a severe adversity to this topic.

These are national security experts, senior members of the national intelligence community who are putting their religion above national security.

A senior DOD official actually stopped me in the hallways in the Pentagon and told me that we were doing the devil's work.

I had to deal with people who were senior to me who were telling me in their world that these are demons, and we are poking demons and messing in Satan's world and all these other things. I was like, "I can't believe this is coming out of your mouth."

I'm briefing about an advanced aerospace vehicle that has been detected on multiple sensors that's absolutely there, and you're telling me that you think these are demons and we shouldn't look at them and study them. My mind was blown.

[Jay] While we were trying to overcome all of these hurdles, we discovered another deeply hidden and much larger UAP program.

This program was so sensitive that it was withheld from the Secretary of Defense, Congress, and even the President of the United States.

This program is referred to as "The Legacy Program."

This program had been capturing, retrieving and reverse engineering UAPs since at least 1947.

On numerous occasions, these retrievals included the bodies of non-humans, some sort of intelligence, intelligent being that is not human.

When Jay and I began knocking on doors and trying to get access into the Legacy Program, there was this almost like an immune response by the Legacy Program, and antibodies came out of everywhere to try to shut us down.

We began communicating with scientists involved in the Legacy Program, but their leaders when they learned of this, shut it down aggressively.

Not only were we met with fierce resistance and stonewalling, we actually had people angry at us that we're even asking the question itself, as in, you know, what right do we have to inquire about the Legacy Program, despite the fact we were running AATIP.

Put yourself in my shoes. I'm conducting investigations of ongoing UAP activity and there's this Legacy Program that has at least 80 years of information that could help us better understand this problem and protect national security, and they refuse to give it to us.

When it became clear that we couldn't work through the system, I knew from experience having worked with the Senate Armed Services Committee, what it takes to move this oil tanker.

Think about this immense, immense ship that has massive inertia, and you're trying to get it to change course. When it comes to the Department of Defense, only Congress has the wherewithal to do that.

And the way to get Congress's attention is first and foremost through the press.

I knew we had to get the press engaged to help get the Hill engaged, to then get back to changing the Defense Department to study this problem to figure out is there a threat? Where are these things coming from and how do they work?

[Jay] As government employees, we're not allowed to talk to the media, so Lue and I strategized on how to overcome this hurdle.

There were really only two choices. The first choice was make peace with silence and sit on what is humanity's greatest secret, all the while keeping Americans in the dark.

Or two, I could resign my position in protest and fulfill my obligations to the American people by telling the truth about what I know about UAP.

There was this difficult moment where Lue had to decide, "Do I throw in the towel? Do we give up on this?" "Do we ignore this?" Or does he fall on his sword?

I couldn't, nor would I ever reveal classified information, but I knew that if I could say just enough at the unclassified level to make the media aware and our government officials aware of the reality of the UAP topic, then Jay hopefully would be able to use that momentum to go ahead and achieve the goals that we set out to achieve inside the government.

[Mellon] And we had a number of difficult conversations because Lue is giving up a very promising career. He loved what he was doing. He was very good at what he was doing.

It's such a profound life decision for Lue to make for himself and his family.

During one of my routine hellish commutes back home, as I was stuck in traffic, looking in front of me and behind me and seeing thousands of cars, I had this profound sense of isolation, a feeling I had never felt before in my life, a feeling that I was completely alone.

I might as well have been living on the dark side of the moon.

None of these people around me, in fact, no one anywhere had any idea of what was actually going on around them.

Not a clue.

I thought to myself, these individuals deserve to know the truth, the mere fact that we're not alone in the universe.

How can any one organization, institution, religion, or government control that or censor that or gatekeep that?

No one has the right to keep fundamental truths away from the American people and humanity.

[Reporter] CNN has learned the Pentagon had a secretive program to research UFOs. The existence of a secret government program to investigate UFO sightings.

A recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real life X-Files department, their secret government program to investigate mysterious flying objects.

This seems potentially like one of the biggest stories of my lifetime.

These aircraft, we'll call 'em aircraft, are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory.

[Man] Look at that thing, dude. My gosh.

This is a very serious national security issue. Something is in our skies. It has been there for quite some time.

[Man] There's a whole fleet of 'em.

You have objects that are doing things, maneuvering in ways without any obvious sign of propulsion.

My submission is that what we are looking at is truly, by definition, exotic technologies, beyond next generation technologies.

And the bureaucracy and the Department of Defense really limited our ability to keep leadership informed of what we were seeing.

As soon as the media started paying attention, Congress started paying attention, and I started getting calls from the Hill for briefings.

Senators received a classified briefing about UFOs at the Pentagon.

[Reporter] Senator Mark Warner, the vice chair of the Intelligence Committee said, "Look, I think it's important that the military is taking this more seriously now than they did in the past."

[Mellon] Senator Rubio and Warner, to their great credit, put national security above their own personal political careers and took the risk of engaging publicly on this issue.

When they began to engage, the Defense Department had to admit to the world that this was real and it was happening, and that immediately took the entire credibility of the issue up a huge notch.

The US Navy has finally acknowledged that videos appearing to show UFOs flying through the air are real.

[Reporter] Commander David Fravor describing it like a 40 foot long Tic Tac.

The ability to hover over the water and then start a vertical climb from basically zero up towards about 12,000 feet and then accelerate in less than two seconds and disappear is something I had never seen in my life.

We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours and we don't know whose it is. That alone, just that statement alone, deserves inquiry, deserves attention, deserves focus.

If you have objects in the sky that you cannot identify, that's a problem because it could be China, it could be Russia, it could be any adversary.

Well, any unexplained phenomenon could pose a national security threat. That's the way you have to treat those things.

There's something violating our airspace. There's something fouling arranges that even the people we've tasked in the executive branch to understand this cannot provide an explanation, so I would say in addition to the national security implications, this has implications for basic trust and confidence in the American government.

We don't know the origin of the phenomenon, and we're gonna try to get to the bottom of it because for national defense purposes, some of these have been in areas that we train.

These have been in areas where we've got some of our best equipment, and yet our best equipment has not been able to tag these things. We've not been able to go in and catch them.

No matter what they are, they're invading our airspace and we don't know exactly why they're doing it, what their intent is and what their capabilities are.

In addition to the national security concerns, this violation of all nations' sovereign airspace presents a safety of flight concern for all military and civilian aviation.

And the even scarier thing is that the Federal Aviation Administration stopped using radar to track our air travel. They only track aircraft, predominantly commercial and civilian, that are squawking, so they're actually putting a signal into the system saying, "Here's where I am."

The only way they know the UAP are there is if the pilot sees something and says something. The fact that the FAA is not tracking UAP is putting American lives at risk every day.

I'm Brett Feddersen. I served as the director of aviation security on the National Security Council and as the acting director for the Federal Aviation Administration's National Security Programs Office.

I can say through my experience that we are absolutely not alone in this universe.

The biggest thing that concerns me with UAPs is the national security concern. It's the unknown. It's the fact that this technology does stuff that we can't do. And if we can't figure out what it is or what it wants, uh, or what it's being used for, that keeps me up at night and the idea that we're behind the power curve.

We want to be able to maintain the cutting edge technology and the advantage here in the United States so that we can sleep comfortably at night and feel the safety of what the American government has provided.

There's sort of, I think, four hypotheses out there, one of which is that this is foreign adversary technology that we simply don't understand or weren't aware of, and that would amount to probably the biggest

intelligence failure in modern American history.

The second of which is that this is a robust counter-intelligence program to cover up for a US government effort that has fallen, kind of, away from congressional oversight.

A third hypothesis is obviously that this is, uh, interdimensional or extra-terrestrial. The fourth could be a combination of the previous three.

Some of the biggest strategic blunders in human history, the foundation of those blunders were a lack of imagination.

The belief that an adversary or whoever could not do something because it had never been done before.

The US thought it was safe for those ships in Pearl Harbor because we didn't think the Japanese could get there, much less have torpedoes that could navigate such a narrow straight and hit these ships until they did.

We never thought in our wildest dreams that terrorists would strike us in the homeland by training for a year to become pilots and then hijacking commercial aircraft and crashing them into buildings, and they did.

The thing that keeps me up at night, something in the human psyche that says, I don't have time or energy to sort of prepare for the unforeseen or what I've never seen done before, and, um, you know, that leads to strategic surprise and sometimes strategic surprises change the course of human history.

[Jay] There was one classified briefing that I gave to members of the House and Senate, where I took military pilots to tell them the story of their encounters with UAP. Those stories left them so rattled that they had trouble sleeping that night.

[Lue] The United States' most trusted military servicemen and women and irrefutable data from our intelligence collection systems have been observing UAP for decades.

Everything observed can be categorized by five distinct performance characteristics. At AATIP, we call these The Observables.

The first observable is hypersonic velocity.

Our current fastest aircraft can go roughly 4,600 miles per hour. However, the UAP we are observing are traveling at 40,000 miles per hour and sometimes faster.

The next observable is instantaneous acceleration, the sudden change in velocity.

At full speed, the SR-71, known as a Blackbird, requires roughly half the state of Ohio to complete its turn.

What we are seeing with UAP are vehicles that can make immediate right-angle turns, instantaneously accelerating and stopping on a dime at speeds up to ten times faster than the SR-71.

If you're in a sustained flight, you can get up to seven-and-a-half Gs. It gets physically painful over time to be under that amount of gravity. And that's just going from zero to 200 miles an hour in about two-and a-half seconds.

Now, think of going zero to thousands of miles an hour in less than a second, what the force would be on your body.

The human body can only take so much before the internal organs start to separate themselves from everything they're hooked to, which is usually bad.

Even if it was a drone, it would rip the drone, the unmanned vehicle apart.

[Lue] The next observable is low observability.

All modern technology have a signature. For example, most aircraft leave visible contrails as they fly. We usually hear a sonic boom associated with the sound barrier being broken.

UAP, however, leave almost no observable signatures.

Our airplanes actually throw out exhaust behind it and thrust behind it to push it forward.

Whatever these things are, they're not doing that. There is no exhaust, no particles coming off of 'em that we can see.

[Lue] The next observable is transmedium travel.

UAP have been observed operating in space, in air and underwater, and they're moving seamlessly through each of these environments without any normal signature and without compromising performance.

We've observed a transmedium capability of these phenomenon to move from space to the atmosphere to the ocean.

[Jay] In the Aguadilla, Puerto Rico case, a DHS helicopter caught the spherical object flying. It entered the water and exited the water, so transmedium without losing any velocity.

It goes into the ocean and makes no splash or wake at 74 miles per hour.

I calculated how much force you would require just to propel a basketball under the water at 74 miles per hour, and you'd need a BE-7 rocket motor, or two Learjet engines that would churn the water up like crazy. So this is a technology that's frictionless.

[Lue] The next observable is anti-gravity.

UAP seemed to be defying the natural effects of earth's gravity without any obvious means of doing so. No signs of propulsion or lift, meaning no wings, no control surfaces or ability to maneuver.

In 2014 to 2015, we were operating off the coast of Virginia Beach, off the eastern seaboard.

It was during this time that we upgraded our radar from the APG-73 to the APG-79 radar, and this allowed us to essentially see more objects we weren't expecting to see.

And there's a particular case of one of these objects maintaining a complete stationary position inside of 120 knot winds, essentially inside of a hurricane.

[Man 1] They're all going against the wind. The wind's 120 knots from the west. [Man 2] Look at that thing! It's rotating.

It just seems like they're not affected by the environment the way we are.

They were tracking 'em from above 80,000 feet. So for those that don't know, above 80,000, that's where you start getting into space. So these things were coming down. They would sit for three hours and they'd go back up, which to my knowledge, we don't have anything that has the capabilities as far as the energy required to come down, hangout for three hours and go up.

The observed UAP capability exceeds that of even the most advanced, uh, human technologies that are developed in classified black programs.

From our exposure, I mean, there's nothing we have that comes close.

[Lue] There's actually a six observable, which is not a flight characteristic, that is biological effects. [Garry Nolan] I got started working on this actually in this office.

There was a knock at the door, and two individuals who represented themselves as being with the CIA and an aerospace company came to me and asked for my help.

They had, uh, data of military personnel, intelligence officials and others associated with the Department of Defense who had direct interactions with UAP. And because of that direct interaction suffered some kind of medical harm.

They wanted my help to look at the so-called inflammatory secondary events that might be measured in the blood, anything from the horrific burns that I've seen on some of the individuals that leads to secondary problems with autoimmune diseases and sclerosis, et cetera, and then the internal scarring that I've seen on some individuals.

These people had scarring inside of their bodies and inside of their brains.

And you have to think about it. You know, if you get too close to the back end of a jet engine, or for instance, if you get too close to the transformer system that's just powering your neighborhood, there's energy coming out of those things. I mean, those are just human technologies.

Now imagine you've got something which is a more advanced technology, which is generating some kind of field that allows these objects to move, if you get too close to it, you are gonna get harmed.

I spent ten years as an intelligence officer for the Navy. And before that, six years as Air Force intelligence.

And I spent time on the UAP task force.

I'm one of the intelligence officials that has experienced biological effects of encountering UAP. Since my first encounter, I've observed other craft, orbs, we'll call it exotic energy fields.

Unfortunately, um, those of us who have investigated it, we become part of the investigation or investigated by our colleagues.

The population had about a 25% mortality rate within seven years of having an interaction. Probably important that the public understands that this is more than just an aerial phenomenon.

When you have an anecdote that is accompanied by medical data, that's something that I can hand to another scientist, another doctor and say, "Here it is. You explain it."

We can argue about what the conclusion is, but we can't argue that the data is real.

[Jay] The deputy director of Naval Intelligence, who understood the national security concerns of UAP, directed me to start quietly building out a whole government interagency effort that ultimately became the UAP task force.

This new program was much bigger than AATIP ever was. Our mission was to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that pose a threat to US national security.

I had handpicked members from all 16 agencies of the intelligence community.

The Secretary of Defense formally announced the UAP task force in August 2020, naming me the first director.

Everyone in authority was paying attention to this topic.

One distinctive moment for me was briefing then Secretary of Treasury, Steve Mnuchin.

I got through my briefing. And at the end of the brief, he sat back in his chair and he said, "You know, Jay, you may wonder why I asked for this briefing."

He said, "What are the economic impacts of the president going to the microphone and telling the world we're not alone?"

I have to think about those kinds of impacts in order to prepare if the president were to make that move.

[Lue] Meanwhile, Chris Mellon and I were working with the Senate behind the scenes to craft UAP legislation that was then taken by Marco Rubio and pushed into the coronavirus relief bill.

When President Trump signed this legislation into law, it then forced the Pentagon and the UAP task force to provide written reports to Congress, both classified and unclassified.

The long-awaited Pentagon report on UFOs has finally been released.

The Director of National Intelligence just a few days ago released a new report on 144 sightings.

When we talk about sightings, we're talking about objects that have been seen by Navy or Air Force pilots or have been picked up by satellite imagery.

Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public.

[Reporter] The report clarifies that most incidents over the past two decades are not from the US military or other advanced US government technology.

So the issue now is why are they here, where are they coming from and what is the technology behind these devices that we're observing?

As noisy as that first unclassified report was, it barely scratched the surface.

The few elected officials that got to read the classified version of the report, it opened their eyes to the national security concerns surrounding this topic.

There's enough obvious evidence here that we need to take this seriously, not downplay it.

I don't believe they're coming from foreign adversaries. Uh, if they were, that would suggest that they have a technology which is in a whole different sphere than anything we understand.

Uh, frankly, China and Russia aren't there and neither are we by the way.

Trillions of galaxies out there, so who knows what might've developed somewhere else?

[Woman speaking]

What we believe is that there are unexplained aerial phenomena that have been cited and reported by pilots, Navy and Air Force, that these phenomena have in some cases had an impact on our training ranges, on our pilot's ability to fly, train, operate and stay ready.

Um, that alone makes it a national security issue worth looking at.

We don't know. We don't have the answers about what these phenomena are.

[Lue] As we continued to make progress, a very powerful disinformation campaign began. This effort was to destroy my reputation and credibility, full stop.

[Jay] When the government started running this despicable disinformation campaign against Lue, I actually received an email one day from the Pentagon Public Affairs office with this narrative that they were providing back to the media that was completely false.

I replied all to that email and said, "This is wrong," and they ran with it anyway. They actually told the American people that Lue Elizondo did not work there, and that was an outright lie.

[Lue] My family and I suffered greatly for it. All you have in your life is really your credibility and your word.

It's heartbreaking.

They don't want anybody that's based on facts being involved in this, so what do they do? They go online and try to belittle Elizondo and me and anybody else that's trying to do it in a scientific way.

[Lue] As hard as it was, I was still being privately encouraged by former members of AATIP to continue the fight, and so that gave me the motivation to continue to press forward, and the fire that we started continued to spread.

After decades of public denial, the Pentagon now admits there's something out there, and the US Senate wants to know what it is.

UFOs, Unidentified Flying Objects, are real? The government has already stated for the record that they're real. I'm not telling you that, the US government is telling you that.

There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. What's your viewpoint on what these objects, uh, that seem to defy all laws of physics are? Well, first of all, that's a legitimate question now.

There are lots of mysteries out there. It should keep us humble. There's a lot of stuff we don't know.

There've been sightings all over the world. And when we talk about sightings, the other thing I will tell you is it's not just a pilot or just a satellite or some, um, intelligence collection. Usually we have multiple sensors that are picking up these things.

There's always the question of is there something else that we simply do not understand that might come extra-terrestrially?

I think it's a bit presumptuous, if not arrogant for us to believe that there's no other form of life anywhere in the entire universe.

I've seen some of those videos from Navy pilots, and I must tell you that they are quite eyebrow-raising, and, um, might in fact be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that, um, we don't yet understand, and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.

We don't know if the non-human intelligence that is already here is exclusively extraterrestrial or perhaps some sort of cryptoterrestrial.

Some people who are into the physics of time travel think well, maybe they're time travelers.

Even some sort of proto-human that somehow branched off from the human family tree long ago and is as natural to this planet as we are.

Some ancient civilization that's sequestered away somewhere on the Earth or on the seabed. All these possibilities could come with different intentions and motivations.

We've heard testimonials from pilots as well as civilians from different countries having seen things come from the ocean, unexplained things, and these aren't missiles, they aren't rockets, they aren't aircraft or submarines. These are other-worldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen.

In fact, we have tracked UAP underwater going at speeds in excess of several hundred miles an hour, but without the associated signatures.

I retired as the oceanographer of the Navy, being the senior advisor for the Chief of Naval Operations in the Pentagon.

But our knowledge of the ocean's rather limited. We haven't even explored 80% of the ocean volume. We have mapped the surface of Mars and the moon to a higher resolution than the Earth's sea floor. [Lue] Is it possible that whatever we're seeing isn't from out there, it's from down there? Are we looking at an entire world underneath the water?

I think it's very safe to say that with so much of the ocean volume unexplored and the sea floor unmapped that if any intelligence were to arrive here and not want to be detected, it would stay in the ocean.

Whoever it is, they're here and they're operating here, and they have been operating here for a long time.

In 2022, we started pushing Congress hard to hold public UAP hearings, and that's when disclosures started to get to the next level.

House panel is holding a public hearing on mysterious flying objects.

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee describes this as one of the great mysteries of our time, and it's a big day for all of these people who have spent so many years pushing for more transparency into this topic.

Out of everything in Congress and everything happening currently in our country and world right now, the UAP topic has been one of the only topics that's received this level of bipartisan support.

It's just not an issue, at least as of yet, in this country that lends itself to some sort of partisan or ideological divide.

Democrats and Republicans just want to understand what's going on.

[André Carson] This hearing and oversight work has a simple idea at its core.

Unidentified aerial phenomena are a potential national security threat, and they need to be treated that way.

UAPs are unexplained. It's true, but they are real. They need to be investigated, and many threats they pose need to be mitigated.

There is something there measurable by multiple instruments, and yet it seems to move in directions that are inconsistent with what we know of physics or science, more broadly.

There are a number of events in which we do not have an explanation, in which there are flight characteristics or signature management, um, that we can't explain.

We know that our service members have encountered unidentified aerial phenomenon.

And because UAPs pose potential flight safety and general security risk, we are committed to a focused effort to determine their origins.

The capabilities, systems, processes and sources we use to observe, record, study or analyze these phenomena need to be classified at appropriate levels.

We do not want, we do not want potential adversaries to know exactly what we're able to see or understand or how we come to the conclusions we make.

Therefore, public disclosures must be carefully considered on a case-by-case basis.

The hearing was a historic bipartisan effort towards transparency, but it left both the American public and Congress with more questions than answers.

While I was making progress, I learned that the Legacy Program was quietly behind the scenes pushing back, and they were creating bureaucratic hurdles.

They were somehow able to block the funding that was approved for the UAP task force.

I can't describe it any other way than I was just angry. There's this hidden hand that is blocking all of these actions and things I'm doing. A subversive government overriding the real government.

It's so bad that we really aren't going to make progress until someone shines the light on them.

[Mellon] Then the staff and the members start to dig in more.

They begin to understand the landscape. They begin to understand how much secrecy there is, how much resistance there is to coming clean on this.

As Congress began hearing from whistleblowers in classified settings, they came to the realization of the existence of the Legacy Program.

The main players in the Legacy Program have long been the Central Intelligence Agency, the United States Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors.

The Central Intelligence Agency is responsible for the oversight of the overall effort. You might think of them as a little bit as a headquarters element.

The Deputy Director of Science and Technology at the CIA controls the UAP crash retrieval portfolio.

[Lue] The United States Air Force is responsible for field operations. These are the folks that are responsible for deploying within moment's notice anywhere in the world to go secure and retrieve crashed UAP.

We have intelligence teams quickly notified if there's some UAP event that might involve a crashed vehicle or pieces from a crashed vehicle.

The United States Air Force uses their own special forces, but they also coordinate with other special forces in other branches of US military.

They're so well organized that they basically can get to a site, gather material, whatever it is, and once it's in their possession, they have the authority to classify it, and therefore make any information about it unavailable to the public, even admission that it exists unavailable to the public.

[Lue] The defense contractors, they're responsible for the exploitation and the reverse engineering and analysis of the materials. They provide technical and advisory services that the government doesn't have.

And last but not least is the Department of Energy. They are the world's experts in anything that is related to either atomic or nuclear technology or anything that gives off radiation.

But there's another advantage because the Department of Energy has its own security classification system well outside the overview and oversight, if you will, of traditional classification systems like the Department of Defense or the intelligence community.

They've used the security and classification language in the Atomic Energy Act to hide the Legacy crash retrieval program.

The intelligence officials that have briefed on these crash retrievals have talked about a number of different species having been observed to be associated with the crash.

Bodies recovered are not all of the same type.

I'm aware of at least two advanced non-human species, one of which made contact with the Legacy crash retrieval program.

The other of which, the bodies were recovered by the crash retrieval program in various crashes.

One of the questions is often raised, if they're so advanced, why are there crashes? But of course, I mean, you know, cars are well made and people drive them carefully, but there are crashes. It can happen.

Another option that's being considered is that maybe some of these were not "really crashes," but that they were left here for us to examine in order to advance our technology forward at a faster pace.

So in that sense, they can be seen as gifts from a more intelligent species.

One of the questions that would then be raised would be, well, are gifts distributed differently among different nations or more or less homogeneously to see who survives and makes progress the fastest?

It could be a giant IQ test, you might say.

[Lue] As we brought whistleblowers to Congress, we learned that the Legacy Program was involved in a long running secret war with other nations to collect and reverse engineer vehicles not made by humans.

In this secret theater of war, the US has both allies and adversaries in a winner takes all scenario.

This is a very complicated geopolitical landscape, where alliances and allegiances shift like sand in the desert.

We would certainly prefer a situation where the retrieval is either in international waters or some other uncontested location or maybe in an allied country, but every country in the world would do everything in their power to try to retrieve an exquisite piece of technology.

The first country that cracks the code on this technology will be the leader for years to come.

This is similar to the Manhattan Project. We developed the atomic weapon. We won the war, and it made us a superpower for almost a century now.

This is the atomic weapon on steroids.

Some of the craft observed could be the result of say our Legacy Program, or on the other hand, it might be the result of advancements made by potential adversaries.

We have seen highly credible US government intelligence on the Soviet recovery of a crashed UAP in 1989.

They recovered a Tic-Tac shaped UAP that was twice as big as the Tic Tac that was encountered by the USS Nimitz carrier strike group, and they did recover four bodies of humanoid aliens.

The Soviet scientists took apart the recovered craft and discovered a very advanced directed energy weapon.

China is at the top of everybody's list of concern right now in the Defense Department.

[Lue] Some of this UAP activity we are seeing here in the United States may actually be a result of a Chinese UAP reverse engineering program.

If Xi Jinping had access to this, if Putin had access to this, and they thought that we did not have access to similar capabilities than what they did, do you think for a second that they wouldn't consider using it to achieve their ends of domination?

[Rubio] And if their approach to it is driven by science and a desire to match what they think is ours, we'll wake up one day and realize, I don't know how they got there, but they got there ahead of us, and now we're screwed.

This technology can absolutely either revolutionize the way we do things or completely destroy everything that we know.

It often reminds me of the famous speech by President John F. Kennedy when we were right at the threshold of entering into a new era of discovery in space.

There is new knowledge to be gained and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people, for space science like nuclear science and all technology has no conscience of its own.

Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man.

And only if the United States occupies a position of preeminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war.

Some of this is so secret, there have been very, very few people in our entire government that have been allowed or provided access to it.

[Lue] Some presidents have been briefed on the basic facts about the situation, but they are not provided with all the details.

[Rubio] I think there's this assumption that presidents can walk in the Oval Office on day one and say, "All right, take me to Roswell. Show me the alien bodies." "I want to see the video, the autopsy. I want to see the whole thing." "Open it up."

I think that really is a, um-- A naive understanding of how our government works.

Even presidents have often been operating on a need-to-know basis. That's certainly true from historic standpoint.

The rationale, the justification was, the president shouldn't know about these things because that way the president always has deniability.

All they need is a nod in this direction or in that direction, but that begins to ramp out of control.

Frankly, I don't even know if president would know who to ask. You could go to the director of the CIA, nowadays, the director of National Intelligence, and ask them, and even that person may not know because those people rotate, but people three layers underneath them that are there for 30 years, to them, it's like, "I've seen these people come and go." "I have no obligation to tell them it exists." It just never percolates up.

A lot of people have this assumption that the director of CIA's right onto everything and knows everything. The director of CIA is a political appointee. Quite frankly, they're temporary help, whereas the Director of Science Technology at CIA, this is a career intelligence professional, that's where you're gonna put the program.

I had a few private conversations with former president George Herbert Walker Bush in 2003 in which he told me that when he became the CIA director in the Ford administration, he was not briefed on the Legacy UAP crash retrieval program.

But he later found out about it, and he informed me that there were a number of crash retrievals that had taken place since the mid-1940s.

And he also informed me of a UAP event that took place at Holloman Air Force Base in 1964, where three UAPs approached the Air Force Base. One of them landed on the tarmac.

And a non-human entity deboarded the craft that landed and interacted with uniformed Air Force and civilian CIA personnel.

And when he asked for more details, he was told that he did not have a need to know.

I served over 30 years as a Army Green Beret in the United States Army. I ended my career as Secretary of Defense.

Some intelligence official decided, I, the acting Secretary of Defense, did not have a need to know about the UAP topic.

[Lue] Several of my colleagues participated in a panel organized by the George Bush administration when the administration contemplated going public with disclosure.

What it was a group of ten or 12 people from intelligence agencies, from the military, some business people, and they said, "Here's what's going on."

"The Americans, the Russians, and Chinese all have crash retrieved craft from some other civilization, and there's some belief at this point that maybe this should be revealed to the public, and we want to know what would the consequences be?"

This is a topic that has a potential to create serious ontological shock to society.

It's not just national security. It's psychological, it's sociological, it's theological and it's philosophical.

It's undermining in many ways, it's troubling to a lot of people to say that there's something else out there either otherworldly, interdimensional.

I think unfortunately it goes against our traditions, our cultural traditions, our religious traditions, and it challenges the beliefs of a lot of people.

[Lue] The Vatican has irrefutable evidence that non-human intelligence exists. Although publicly they don't want to acknowledge it, privately, they are very well aware of this.

What happens when society realizes everything it's been taught about the entire history of our species has been wrong and everybody learns all at once that we're not the top of the food chain? We're not the alpha predators.

It would be a shakeup for institutions, it'd be a shakeup for norms, it'd be a shakeup in society.

One has to be careful and one has to remember that it's conceivable that there's something that's so disturbing or disruptive or negative that there is a rationale for not immediately disclosing all of that information.

We actually came up with a list of 64 areas that really would be impacted to some significant degree by such a disclosure.

We add up all the numbers, it looks like this would be kind of a bad idea.

Did you go through the secret files, the UFO documents? Now that you're out of office, you can do anything you want, right?

That's true. Yeah. Uh, but I'm not telling you.

Without a doubt, there's hardly been any program that has been so successfully kept out of the public eye as anything like crash retrievals of unknown craft.

This line of strong control started at least in the Truman administration with the Roswell crash. In AATIP, we learned that the UAP event at the US Army airfield in Roswell in 1947 did actually occur. It was described to be a boot-heel shaped UAP that broke into two pieces on impact.

And observers saw what looked like hieroglyphics or some type of writing on it. You might describe 'em as runes or glyphs, hieroglyphs, that were actually on the craft itself.

And within that crash, non-human bodies were recovered.

Four non-human bodies were recovered from the UAP crash at Roswell.

The recovered material from the crash, including the bodies, were all sent up to Wright Field, which is now called Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. That's where the US had their best reverse engineers.

Think about the context for everything in 1947. The US had just won World War II and was entering into a Cold War with the USSR.

These UAP presented a technology of unfathomable power.

It was imperative that the US be able to reverse engineer this new technology before anybody else or before anybody else even knew about it.

You can't tell your friends without telling your enemies. That's a key component to every decision as to what we do or do not release.

Back in 1947, when they looked at this and they realized it was real and they realized they had no idea what it was. This was something you couldn't just talk about because the role of the President of the United States and the role of the military is to defend the United States and to protect its citizens.

If this is something that they can't protect against, they're not gonna come out and say it. They're not gonna scare anybody.

They don't want to tell the American public about the threat because there's nothing they can do about it.

[Lue] It was only a couple months after Roswell that President Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947, which established both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency.

That was the start point in which both the CIA and the Air Force began to take operational control of the UAP topic.

But it wasn't until a couple of years later when Truman signed the Central Intelligence Agency Act that really allowed, endorsed the CIA to be able to run secret intelligence operations outside the normal routine oversight channels. Basically be able to run operations without anybody knowing.

From Roswell on, the strategy for dealing with the public and ensuring US secrecy is maintained was to basically adopt the strategy of deny everything, admit nothing, make counter accusations, put out false narratives, intimidate and discredit witnesses.

In essence, deny, deny, deny.

Establish stigma surrounding this topic in order to prevent any type of disclosure.

Executive Order 12333 bans covert action to influence the public and the media, but the Legacy crash retrieval program has been ignoring that.

In fact, they are aggressively influencing public opinion by using an active disinformation campaign.

To create a tradition of disbelief, where you basically start very early, "Nah, nah, everybody who sees UFOs are crackpots," and then that gets built in, you know, to the media enterprise, it gets built into Hollywood, it gets built into the public.

CIA funded Hollywood movies in order to create that ridicule factor that they still use to this day. Do you believe that the recent spike in UFO encounters--

[All laughing]

I get the UFO question?

[Woman] Yeah, you do!

Come on, man!

I'm not--

[People laughing]

[Man] Would you tell us?

I'm just-- You know, I loved E.T. the movie, but I'm just gonna leave it there.

Up until very recently, there was zero incentive for a naval aviator to come forward and say, "This is what I saw." And honestly, up until very recently, there was zero incentive for a US Senator to talk about it because people would think, "What's wrong? This guy's a weirdo."

Over the years, military service members, intelligence officials and even private citizens have been ridiculed and made to look crazy to the point where people have lost their jobs, they've lost their ability to provide for their families, they lost their security clearances.

These people had their lives ruined simply because they spoke the truth about what they learned or what they saw.

People that come forward with this, um, I feel like they've taken their life in their own hands.

People say, well, government can't keep a secret. Well, there are a number of programs I've been involved in that have never gotten revealed.

The truth of the matter is people and programs can be kept secret. Usually it's just out of personal, wanting to protect oneself.

This is the most successful disinformation campaign in the history of the US government.

The irony in this is that the deception campaign to create stigma was so successful it actually inadvertently created a new unforeseen problem.

Stigma has been a tremendous problem that it's actually a national security threat to the United States.

Other countries are not suffering from the stigma that we are, so we are already, as Americans, at a disadvantage.

How can we expect to maintain a strategic advantage when 99.999% of all scientists here in this country don't even think it's real?

Science moves forward on the basis of exchanging information, and when it's all tied up and held down, you just can't make progress.

You had information being locked away that frankly could improve the lives of every human being on this planet and change the trajectory for our species.

This information was and is still being locked down by the Legacy crash retrieval program.

Too much information resides in different stove pipes. It's controlled by different baronies and different fiefdoms spread throughout the National Security kingdom.

They each view information as power. They're each reluctant to share information. They hoard it. They like to trade it like a currency.

All of these things conspire to prevent us from getting the big picture and bringing the information together.

It's worth noting that the Air Force didn't contribute, uh, any or maybe just a tiny number of, uh, reports of UAPs. Notwithstanding the fact that the Air Force controls the North American Aerospace Defense Command, they're responsible for space surveillance.

They have aircraft with superior radar systems operating in the same training ranges where the Navy is seeing and reporting these aircraft, and yet they claim they don't have evidence of this.

Imagine we had a situation where we're saying there are unidentified submarines off the coast of the United States, and the only reports we got were from the Air Force and the Navy had nothing to say about it.

[Jay] During the George W. Bush administration, the president routinely went down to his ranch in Stephenville, Texas, and I see reporting of UAP activity over the ranch.

F-16s from a nearby Air Force base were alerted to intercept this object. People on the ground saw it.

So I go down and I start asking questions, "Hey, what did you chase?" "I'm acting on behalf of the US government, and we're trying to understand what you saw."

And they look me in the eyes and said, "Jay, we cannot tell you what we saw because the OSI, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, came in here, had us sign non-disclosure agreements." "We did see something, we did scramble on something, but we can't talk to you about it."

Historically, every time a military member had a UAP encounter, it was very quickly swept under the rug, and they were discouraged from talking about it.

They put a form down as a non-disclosure form.

He came storming across to me. He said, "Don't you ever say that again." "You don't ever speak of this." And it made it very clear that it's something we shouldn't be talking about and just keep our mouth shut. There was a culture of silence.

I didn't talk to anybody about it, not my wife, not my colleagues, not people I knew. They just shut up. There's ramifications if you were to divulge any of this information to anyone.

We received an alarm at our closest missile site.

There was an object directly above that ICBM nuclear missile, right on top of the blast door. No noise, no sound whatsoever.

And it looked like a mini sun sitting in the air.

It was the size of a Super Walmart building. Not just a Walmart, I mean a Super Walmart. This thing was gargantuan.

And how it could suspend itself was just completely unnatural to what we know of as anything that can fly or hover.

The captain was looking, just looking up with his mouth open.

And I look up and I see this object right over the missile launch tube.

Multifaceted, matte black finish, an oddly shaped diamond.

Absolutely silent, made no noise. There was no means of propulsion.

Fifty feet up in the air, sitting absolutely still.

And it was amazing, and we kind of looked at one another.

And we were just human beings witnessing something extraordinary.

And while we're watching this thing, it went from dead still, and it shot off toward the horizon and was gone.

Absolutely instant acceleration.

[Jacobs] We had 60 cameras so that the engineers at Boeing and Douglas could see every millisecond of the ignition.

The missile in question that we photographed was an Atlas D carrying, as part of an experiment, a dummy nuclear warhead.

As it was flying along, the warhead, the chaff, something else entered the frame.

It shot a beam of light, and it hit the warhead, flew up like this, shot another beam of light down at the warhead, went like this, shot under the beam of light at the warhead, went under here, shot a beam of light

at the warhead, and then flew out the way it had come in.

All the while, everything in our frame was moving along at 8,000 to 9,000 miles an hour. There's nothing of ours that could've done that. What could have done that?

There was this red orange light hovering above the front gate.

It was about 40 feet in diameter, sort of oval shape.

And each missile was announcing a guidance and control system failure.

Our missiles were starting to go down, so we had all ten of 'em go down.

Within the span of eight days, we lost 20 nuclear missiles to UFOs.

Vandenberg is home to the infrastructure that supports our National Missile Defense project, the system that defends our country from incoming ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. So it's one of the most important bases we have.

On October 14th, 2003, I showed up to work at Vandenberg Air Force Base and immediately everybody just started to tell me about this UFO incident that had happened earlier that morning.

I reported for work, um, at Vandenberg Air Force Base. We were given a briefing earlier in the day. Some Boeing contractors had witnessed a UAP incursion.

[Nuccetelli] Three Boeing contractors had called in and reported that a gigantic red square object was floating over the launchpad at low altitude.

It was making no noise, it had no obvious signs of propulsion, and it was just hovering silently. It was a very serious security breach of the area.

And we were told just to be vigilant when we were out on our shift that night.

And I spent the most of the day driving around the base looking for these objects.

Later that night, myself and five security forces members, we observed a bright light approaching the base.

As it got closer, the light was no longer visible, and it was massive, the size of a football field, almost rectangular in shape.

It was just floating there. No propulsion system, no windows. It was matte black. We observed it for another 45 seconds.

And then it shot off thousands of miles an hour up the coast.

I talked to all the direct witnesses, over a dozen people, and even from their different vantage points, they all told the same story. They all saw the same thing.

The UAP activity surrounding nuclear weapons is not a historic issue. It's an ongoing issue.

Despite the longstanding denial by the United States Air Force, we now have both former and current very senior Air Force officials stating for the record that in fact the Air Force has had a longstanding involvement in UAP.

I served in the Air Force for about 32 years, and my last job in the Air Force was chief of Air Force Intelligence, prior to becoming director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

When I served in the Air Force, uh, there was an active program to track anomalous activities that, uh, you know, we couldn't otherwise explain.

Many of them connected with ranges out west, notably, um, Area 51.

[Lue] As Congress learned more about the Legacy Program, they realized how powerful and influential the defense contractors have become.

As we look at the actual structure of the interaction between the government and private industry in this UAP area, over the years, it has morphed, transitioned into it being largely in the aegis of the contractors.

If you do something within the government, eventually it can be accessed by Freedom of Information Act. But if you do something through contractors, they're not available through Freedom of Information Act.

I had been involved myself in projects where we made sure that the material was under contractor labels so they couldn't be accessed easily by the public.

But what happens with government, you need continuity. People move, people die, people retire.

So what winds up happening is you have these Legacy efforts going on in the government contractor side involving UAP.

And then I, the government official in charge of this program, leave and someone else takes my place, and that person might have a little bit of awareness that this project existed. But then they're replaced by a third person who has no idea that the project existed.

But the corporate entity that received this technology is still trying to develop it, and so they begin to commercialize that.

Some of the stuff begins to seep out in these great innovations that some company's coming up with and making money on, and they claim it belongs to them and it's proprietary.

Um, and the people in government who know where it came from originally, they're long gone and their successors have no idea that it was there at all.

And so you can start to foresee where you create in corporate hands an extraordinary amount of power.

The real risk in transferring technology that is not useful to us today to a corporate entity. Over decades, that corporate entity comes to basically possess and control access to it for their own purposes, not for the purposes of national security.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought by the military industrial complex.

The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

The reason why our democracy is so strong because it's of the people and by the people and for the people.

It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that no one ever sees. It would be unconscionable. It's against our constitution and it's wrong.

Non-human intelligence is not government information, and the government should not be keeping that knowledge from the people.

[Lue] Before he passed away, I had the privilege of seeing Senator Harry Reid quite a few times in his private residence.

He explained to me that he was once provided information on the Legacy Program but denied access. He was incensed by that.

And when the opportunity came to sponsor AATIP, he jumped at the opportunity in order to ensure that Congress and the government had visibility into this topic.

And frankly, we wouldn't be where we are today if it wasn't for the courage of Senator Harry Reid.

Why the federal government all these years has covered up, put brake pads on everything, stopped it? I think it's very, very bad for our country.

Should we study this stuff? The answer is yes.

And that's all this was about.

For decades, our government assumed there must be different exotic technologies responsible for each of the observables, but our scientists realized one breakthrough technology could actually be responsible for everything.

With enough energy, you could create a bubble, a warp bubble around a spacecraft that would have a different property of space-time inside the bubble than on the outside of the bubble.

[Puthoff] This energy field would completely isolate the craft from the environment. So you might ask then, how does the craft actually move forward within its bubble?

The craft inside the bubble has a way of altering the bubble's properties in order to change its direction of motion.

[Puthoff] Such that you have a downward press in front and an upward press behind. So it'd be like riding space-time in the same way that a surfer would ride a wave in the ocean.

And we observe hypersonic velocity and instantaneous acceleration, and the reason is that time is moving differently for people inside the bubble versus people outside the bubble.

Whoever's inside the craft would feel like they're just cruising along. They wouldn't be feeling the effects of what looks like speeds and accelerations that would turn a human being into pudding.

This one breakthrough can be the key to interstellar travel, where you want to travel long distances without taking enormous amounts of subjective time.

We'd also have low observability because the bubble acts as a barrier between two space-time environments.

This would eliminate or conceal most of the known signatures of conventional technologies.

This is why radar would have difficulty tracking a craft because the signal from the radar would be distorted by the energy field around the craft.

The radar signatures literally just moved around the bubble and doesn't reflect back to the radar emitter.

So it's not surprising when someone takes a photo of a UAP, they find they get a fuzzy and distorted picture because they're actually taking a photo through a space-time barrier.

What's been happening recently is that we have upgraded our sensor systems on our fighter aircraft.

And these images that are now picked up with our advanced sensor systems, we can begin to see the actual structure of the energy field around the craft, which in the past they would not have been able to do.

We also observed transmedium travel because the craft is moving within its own space-time, and the outside environment through which it's moving is inconsequential.

This would allow a craft to go seamlessly from space through the atmosphere into the water.

And they could do so because the warp bubble that surrounds them shunts air molecules or ocean water molecules around the craft so that it could move effortlessly through any medium.

We also observe anti-gravity because the Earth's gravitational field is no longer having any effect on the craft inside its space-time bubble.

This is why a craft does not need say, engines or wings or other aspects that we would associate with a craft that needs to fly in the atmosphere. It's really disconnected from the atmosphere.

And the energy field associated with these craft causes a highly energetic wave of radiation, which is why people getting too close to a UAP can experience biological effects that are harmful to humans.

Now that we understand that these craft exist in a space-time environment that's different from the exterior space-time environment, this can begin to explain claimed observations by say military people who have approached and gotten into a craft and find that time is running at a different rate inside the craft than time running outside the craft.

They think they're only there for a few minutes, when they come outside the craft, some hours have gone by, so they feel like they've got missing time.

Or similarly, with respect to the size of the craft, if someone is outside the craft and it looks like a small craft and they go inside, it's the size of a football stadium.

Once you've realized that space and time are being engineered to be different inside the craft than they are outside the craft, then these anomalies that people report that sound completely absurd can actually make sense.

The top issue is what is their energy supply?

Because the evidence for how much energy they're using per unit time so exceeds any kind of power levels that we can generate.

UAPs have exhibited propulsive performance characteristics that imply the generation of 1,100 billion watts of power.

This is more than 100 times the daily electrical utility power generated in the US. Let that sink in.

One hundred times the daily power generation of the entire nation.

There are two prevailing hypotheses for how UAPs create the energy that warps space-time around them, and one is that the spacecraft can produce, uh, its own bubble of vacuum energy around the craft, which is also known as zero-point energy.

And the other one is that the craft could be using quantum entanglement to draw on a remote distant source of energy.

[Mellon] If we can understand the technology that we're observing, it has so many potentially beneficial impacts, including clean energy.

We're seeing these craft doing unbelievable things, and it's not combustion engineering. [Lue] This is technology that could replace oil, gas and coal and protect our planet for future generations.

How can we use these technologies and all the capabilities that come from it, not to fight a war, but to increase our standard of living, you know, to increase our ability to get from place to place.

We can talk more about teleportation, we could talk more about, uh, hypersonic travel.

Being able to take human beings to the next evolutionary step, which is the stars, being able to explore new star systems and planets.

On the other hand, you'd have to weigh the consequences of sharing, uh, with the world, knowing that there are bad actors out there.

If our adversaries would have access to that same technologies, they could flip that into some very, very powerful weapons of mass destruction.

You could put a nuclear bomb inside one of these things and let it fly right through a building, through concrete, through steel, wherever you want it, anywhere in the world.

We want to talk about it publicly and encourage folks to talk about it, but while we're talking about it publicly, our adversaries are paying attention to context clues to piece things together about possible technologies that we may have that they don't have access to.

So it's a fine line.

I would opt for making any new energy source a humanitarian, uh, issue. That it should be open. And we know how to do that. We've done that with nuclear power.

If the capabilities that exist come to the forefront and they become known to the world, it might very well be that it is to the benefit of mankind.

[Lue] While Congress had learned a great deal about the Legacy Program, whistleblowers were still afraid to reveal the most secretive details about the UAP technology and non-human bodies in the program's possession.

We'd been interviewing folks that would have had evidence of or first-hand direct contact with either materials or a program itself.

They have worked on craft of out of this world origin, but until... they leak a video before they commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head four times, um, I just don't know that that's going to get out.

Those people whose job it is to make sure information doesn't get out will use whatever tool they can find to try to convince people they shouldn't come forward.

We have people that have very high clearances both today and in the past, who did really important work for our government or continue to do important work for the government, who have come forward with some claims about the US having in the past recovered exotic materials, and then we reverse engineered those materials to make advances in our own defenses and technologies.

And that they signed agreements that they would face jail time or in some cases some people claim it would cost them their lives if they spoke out about these things.

When I have a whistleblower coming forward, telling me that they're in fear of their life and that people have been hurt protecting and hiding this information, that gives me reason for concern.

[Lue] Determined to get to the truth, it was Chris Mellon who led the charge to help Congress draft unprecedented UAP whistleblower protections.

And in December of 2022, President Biden signed the legislation into law.

So even for those who signed NDAs, they still have a right and an opportunity to talk about this in a very healthy and productive way that informs the American public.

Bombshell claims from a military whistleblower, UFO wreckage recovered by the US kept classified by a secret government program for decades.

The UAP task force was refused access to, um, a broad crash retrieval program, retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it spacecraft if you will.

Non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.

I handpicked Dave Grusch to be part of my UAP task force. Everything that Dave uncovered is true, but it barely scratches the surface.

There's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral.

Have people been killed to protect the secret?

That was an ongoing concern.

Dave has been working tirelessly behind the scenes with Congress as well, and we were really poking the bear. We were making a lot of progress. We were getting a lot of information to Congress, um, and it wasn't necessarily symbiotic with the Legacy Program in their desires.

I remember one evening, uh, I was sitting with my wife on the front porch, and I received a call.

I recognized the voice of one of a friend of mine, and he happened to be one of staffers on the Hill, and he was very shooken up and said, "Listen, we had a very interesting meeting on the Hill."

And an extremely, extremely senior person in the US government in the intelligence community told Congress, for the record, that there was a committee of 27 individuals, and I'm not going to go into code names here, that were mulling over the idea of using extreme measures to silence David and myself.

Kill us.

Now, people say, "Oh, come on, that's conspiracy." No, it's not.

We have done it before.

Under certain circumstances, we have killed Americans without due process. If they are a clear and present national security threat, we can kill Americans.

Now, it's not done very often, but we can. Without a fair trial, they just poof, disappear, right? So here I am.

If I wind up in a month from now floating in the Potomac somewhere, you know what happened. You know what happened. This is the truth.

What else you want to know?

[Burchett] Last year, House Intelligence Committee held a hearing on UAPs. They brought in some Pentagon bureaucrats who only had two answers to the questions they were asked. "I don't know," or "That's classified."

This hearing is going to be different.

This time, we had credible witnesses testifying before Congress and American people under oath.

This was a tremendously proud moment for my colleagues and myself to watch the fire that we started continue to grow.

[Man] The subcommittee hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, or UAPs, will come to order.

The reality is the American public deserves to know. And you better be careful about a government that doesn't trust its people because there's no telling what they'll pull on you.

It's really important that we're here in a bipartisan way to have this conversation, which is about national security.

The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence and unexplainable phenomenon.

You solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Yes.

Yep.

I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.

I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.

We were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere, where the apex or tips of the cube were touching the inside of that sphere.

Since the events initially occurred, I've learned the objects have been detected essentially where all operations, Navy operations are being conducted across the world.

These objects have been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up.

It wasn't until 2009, until Jay Stratton had contacted me to investigate. Unbeknownst to all, he was part of the AATIP program in the Pentagon.

Are you aware of any individuals that are participating in reverse engineering programs for non-terrestrial craft?

Personally, yes. Mm-hm.

Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?

I know the exact locations.

I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge, um, provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general.

Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

Biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah.

Non-human biologics?

Non-human.

I was wondering if you could speak a little bit about the interaction between defense contractor companies and any UAP-related programs or activities.

The contractors, "the metal benders," so to speak, they're the ones actually doing specific performance on government contracts.

How does a program like that get funded?

Misappropriation of funds.

Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program but it doesn't, and it goes to something else?

Yes, I have specific knowledge of that.

[Andy Ogles] Mr. Graves and Fravor, in the event that your encounters had become hostile, would you have had the capability to defend yourself?

Absolutely not, sir.

No.

What we experienced was well beyond the material science and the capabilities that we had at the time, that we have currently or we're going to have in the next 20 years.

We have nothing that can stop in midair and go the other direction, nor do we have anything that can, like in our situation, come down from space, hangout for three hours and go back up.

Is it possible that these UAPs would be probing our capabilities, yes or no? Mr. Graves? Yes.

[Ogles] Grusch?

Yes, definitely.

Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

Yes.

Personally.

Anyone been murdered that you know of?

I have to be careful. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.

There clearly is a threat to the national security of the United States of America.

[Burchett] Brave witnesses here. They took an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and dadgummit, they're doing it, and we owe them a debt of gratitude.

On Capitol Hill today, a bipartisan call for more government transparency on UFOs. One was asked about alien bodies, two others talked about seeing UAPs.

The US government operates a UFO crash retrieval program and has a UFO and the remains of "a non human or non-human pilots in its possession."

[Reporter] And when Dave Grusch said the words non-human biologics, there was an audible gasp.

I worked with David Grusch when we both contributed to the UAP task force, and everything he said under oath to the Congress and what he put down in his whistleblower complaint is 100% true.

A Pentagon report is detailing a dramatic increase in UFO sightings.

The Pentagon released its report on UFO sightings today, saying an additional 366 sightings have been investigated since 2021.

Now the Defense Department is admitting not just a couple of incidents, hundreds of incidents, scores of incidents with multiple sensor systems, multiple witnesses.

A NASA task force is holding its first meeting on UFOs.

NASA commissioned an independent study team to examine unidentified anomalous phenomena, and this is the first time that NASA has taken concrete action to seriously look into UAP.

Are we alone? Personally, I don't think we are.

I wasn't prepared for the number of incursions that I see.

This merging capability outstrips the operational framework that we have to address it.

[Lue] Since mankind first started developing atomic energy, there has been consistent UAP activity at sites involved with the atomic and nuclear process.

We have evolved more technically in the last 80 years than we have in the previous 200,000 years. And the uptick in UAP activity has increased in line with our advancement of harnessing energy.

We realized we are on the path to exploiting the energy levels needed to warp space-time, and UAP have been observing and clearly been interested in our rapid progress.

Despite developing massively new technologies, we don't see an equivalent moral increase in how we deal with each other.

[Lue] We are still invading sovereign nations. We're still threatening nuclear war eighty years after dropping atomic bombs that vaporized hundreds of thousands of human beings.

Let's face it, we are a violent species.

So if I were a species from somewhere else, even if I were a hidden species on the planet who saw how we were coming up this curve of, you know, atomic energy and nuclear energy, and then beginning to realize what it takes to do their kind of technologies with warping time and warping space and so on, I

can imagine that could be seen as a threat to another species because they would recognize that once it's only a matter of time and they're going to be doing what we're doing and then we're gonna have to deal with them.

So it doesn't surprise me that their highest priority would be to identify what threats they might face to learn everything about them.

This pattern of activity seems to me utterly logical. It seems to me to be an extension of the evolutionary process that governs life writ large as we know it, which is self-preservation is number one.

When I hear stories of either nuclear weapons sites being shut down or turned on, what that tells me is something quite interesting.

First off is that something has a technology capable of reaching into our nuclear weapons systems at a distance in ways that we don't understand. Okay, that's just capability.

But you ask the question about intent, at the very least, what it tells me is that they're showing us what they can do to us at will or with us or they can stop us.

Now, they didn't stop us from blowing something up in Japan. They didn't stop the first of the bombs. At some level, they're willing to let us see the consequences of our actions.

But at another level, they're willing to also show us that "You might think that you could hurt us one day, but you can't." "We really can just reach in and stop you or cause you to blow each other up." "Because at the end of the day, you're getting in our way, and you're really starting to annoy us."

So even though it has been reported that some of our fighter pilots have chased these objects and even fired missiles at them, there has not been some kind of strong negative retaliation.

So it'd be pretty easy to come to the conclusion they're friendly, and that's fine, and there's no real threat there. But the truth of the matter is, uh, you have to take into account, well, under what condition, you know, that might change.

For example, if you have ants at the back of your yard, uh, they're not a threat to you, so that's fine, but if they come and invade your house, suddenly they're a threat. And so it could be the same in this situation.

So at least within the defense and intelligence industry, we automatically assume the worst because we want to be prepared against the worst if it should happen.

There's a concern within the defense and intelligence communities that UAPs have been undertaking long-term surveillance of human technological advancement for the possibility that they may need to intervene to prevent a conflict between us and them.

One of the reasons that I am so ardent about this issue is because I think it has the potential to change the perspective and the outlook of world leaders and the populations of those countries to see more of what we have in common and the challenges that we face together.

If we're gonna survive as a species, we need unprecedented levels of international collaboration.

I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

[Lue] Thomas Jefferson once said, "I'm not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions." "But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind." "As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and

opinions change." "With the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times."

Our current Senate leadership feels the same as our founding fathers. And throughout the fall of 2023, my colleagues and I met with Senate leadership to help give them clarity on the facts as they fought for the most historic UAP legislation we've ever had.

Never in the history of our nation have we ever seen any type of legislation regarding UAP that is as detailed and specific and as directive as this one.

United States government has gathered a great deal of information about UAPs over many decades, but has refused to share it with the American people. That is wrong, and additionally it breeds mistrust.

There is, we believe, information and data that has been collected by more than just the Department of Defense, but by other agencies of the federal government as well.

Information on UAPs has also been withheld from Congress, which was a violation of the laws requiring full notification to the legislative branch.

The bill I worked on with Senator Rounds offered a common sense solution, the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act.

This would be the most aggressive measure that we've frankly ever seen in history when it comes to disclosure about what the government knows and has, as it relates to UAPs.

The measure would also give the federal government control over all recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence.

Eminent domain allows the US government to take control of anything for national security reasons or for the betterment of the American people.

A requirement as a transparency measure for the government to obtain any recovered UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people.

The eminent domain section was not crafted accidentally. It was designed to be put in there clearly to lay out our expectations.

Contractors may have information that they have held, or materials that they have held over an extended period of time, and this is our way of addressing it and making it clear that it should be delivered in an appropriate fashion, and that they need to be negotiating with us now.

Their bipartisan plan for more transparency is getting some major pushback though.

The, um, defense contractors give money legally to a lot of my colleagues that provide a great deal of the pushback on this.

There's a lot of money coming from the defense industry to support elected officials with their campaigns. And then when the time comes for these elected officials to try to get to the bottom of things, they're compromised.

Something with the capabilities of traveling light years, not showing a heat signature and the energy capabilities of that, that would put the Pentagon out of business. We wouldn't be fighting these worthless wars overseas over oil and American boys and girls wouldn't be dying. It would put war pigs out of business.

[Lue] Unfortunately, there was too much resistance and the most historic elements of the proposed legislation did not become law.

We've got a big mess on our hands. We've got 80 years of lies and deception that quite frankly ruined a lot of people's lives, and nobody wants to take responsibility for that.

This is not an endeavor here to go out and punish anyone. But nonetheless, we would need to know what they learnt, taxpayers paid for this.

And I think offering amnesty is extremely important. Let the past stay in the past, then collectively move forward.

It's essential we keep working on our proposal.

I'd like to just acknowledge my dear friend, the late Harry Reid, a mentor who cared about this issue a great deal. So he's looking down and smiling on us, but he's also importuning us to get the rest of this done, which we will do everything we can to make happen.

But where there was smoke, there was a fire, and Congress is now aware of it.

And so what that allows us to do is circle the wagons and try again.

[Nancy Mace] Welcome to today's historic hearing.

There are certain individuals who didn't want this hearing to happen because they feared what might be disclosed.

Do you solemnly swear to affirm that the testimony that you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

[All] I do.

Has the government conducted secret UAP crash retrieval programs? Yes or no? Yes.

Were they designed to identify and reverse engineer alien craft, yes or no?

Yes.

Excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos.

The US is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries.

We are in the midst of a multi-decade secretive arms race. One funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected representatives and oversight bodies.

Now that we know UAP are interacting with humanity, we should not turn a blind eye, but instead boldly face this new reality and learn from it.

One of the most important actions that can be taken relative to exposing the truth of UAP is to combat the stigma.

NASA personnel stepping forward and participating in such discussions would make a powerful statement to the scientific community that UAP should be taken seriously and researched accordingly.

To the incoming administration and Congress, I say to you, we need immediate public transparency, and this hearing is an important step on that journey.

The truth is out there. We just need to be bold enough and brave enough to face it.

America wants their pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that's about our attention span. And I think the Legacy Program is, um-- They think that America will draw its attention somewhere else, and I just don't think that's the case. I think we've let the fuse.

I think the American people are ready to receive the truth.

[Puthoff] Sitting here in a Senate building recognizing what change has been occurring, I never thought I'd see this day come frankly.

And now that I see it here, I am unbelievably hopeful that it's going to filter down into our society to where everyone realizes that the human species is actually in a melting pot of many species throughout the galaxy.

What I expect to come out of that is, first of all, a greater appreciation of what it means to be a human.

And to me, that kind of change on the human character is probably more significant than what we can learn about atoms and molecules and propulsion systems.

My grandchildren are going to grow up taking into account and thinking about the fact that the universe, uh, is full of life.

We're on the threshold of an entirely different understanding of the universe and our place within it and technological opportunities and possibilities that were the stuff of science fiction just a few years ago.

The people behind the Legacy Program truly believe that the secret is so intense that they can't share it with the American people.

There may be aspects of this that are so intense they can't share it. However, I think the basic fact that we are not alone in the universe, we can share that with the American people. We can handle it at this point.

Hopefully one day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all.

I want to tell the American people what I know, but I can't because a vast majority of it remains highly classified.

I feel tremendous pressure to share what I can because I know there will come a time where we all wish we had done things differently.

That moment is imminent, and when that moment comes, I know people will say, "I wish somebody would've told me sooner."

Remember, as far as we've come, we are still only just beginning the greatest paradigm shift in human history, the age of disclosure.