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so apparently @patricia-taxxon defends lily orchard, a known sexual abuser. this is incredibly disheartening to hear, as she is one of my favorite music artists. there's a chance this is someone impersonating her, but if this is actually patty, i'm incredibly disappointed.

edit: i misinterpreted it so much

edit 2: actually i didn't i just got gaslighted

"impossible for someone to be as evil and dangerous as to deserve what happened to her"

I would just like for one fucking moment for these people to explain what actually happened to them. Because from where I'm standing both of these women have gotten away with and are currently getting away with some heinous shit. If you want to talk about who hurt someone, we can definitely have that conversation if you want to. Cause I can confidently say I have never hurt someone the way you have.

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piss on the poor website

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Damn, you're a freak

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But she's right? Even if this is a fake account Patricia is right.

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oh was this the inciting incident for her “society needs to do a better job forgiving abusers” rant?

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which rant? shes ranted a whole lot

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@ralzei1997 oh idk, it was a while ago. the rant was my first ever exposure to her, but i never forgot her name because i commented that forgiving abusers is baked into the patriarchy and someone who was glazing her in the comments said (among other things) “you people don’t let patricia taxxon feel anything” as if i was supposed to know who she was LMAOO. everything else i have learned about her since has been against my will. i still don’t even know what she did to get famous in the first place

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EDIT: While I still feel as if this was a very messy situation, as Taxxon's public behaviour continues to spiral for the worse, as her rhetoric becomes more and more contentious and potentially dangerous to the young and vulnerable people in her audience I want to make one thing clear: This is not and never was a retraction. If you're a young person, I suggest you not make contact with her for your own safety. She does not respect the proper sexual-social boundaries an adult woman should have with a child or teenager. She, in fact, idealizes sexual bonds between adult and children including bonds where she herself is the adult in the situation, contrary to what many claim, and not just as a fantasy. Do not approach, do not engage, especially if you're 18 years or younger. It's not worth it. A small but important announcement/update

Hi guys. As you may have known about three months ago I got into a public argument with Youtuber and music creator Patricia Taxxon. It was messy and angry and there was a lot of interpersonal conflict and issues involved. I made two videos relating to this because I believed that Taxxon posed an active threat to vulnerable people.

My feelings, right now, are a lot more complicated. I have in hindsight, developed some nuance regarding the situation. I am not renouncing Jules Hyde, or his feelings regarding their interpersonal conflict. But, I think that is largely none of my business and did not warrant making a video that amounted to a a massive callout.

I do not think it was the right thing to do. This goes beyond what happened between myself and Orchard, someone who I approached as a critic that was examining her creative works and has proven over and over again to be callous, using thought-stopping techniques and regressive tactics to control her fans, beyond just having skeletons in her closet. Those skeletons are not what drew me to Orchard nor why I criticized her to begin with.

Taking this argument off of Tumblr and onto Youtube was my biggest mistake in all of this. However, this goes beyond that.

I tend to afford people a lot of grace, at least when they're my friends. I have afforded absolutely none of that grace to Taxxon.

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bro was watching your live with ant and madeline and you said you have a collection of bad lily orchard charts... would you mind making a thread? would love to see those abominations
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Hi, CD-Call/Lily. I hope this gets to you somehow. Please read this. Nothing I say here will be a criticism of you but I don't know how to reach out and this is important for your physical safety, life, and long term health.

As an experienced hiker, I'm begging you not to go on a winter hike in Nova Scotia. Winter hiking is a whole other experience above and beyond hiking in good weather, and it is, in general, inadvisable to go alone even if you are experienced. Nova Scotia is very wet, very cold, and very, very unsafe in the winter. The signs of exhaustion and dehydration are harder to recognize when you're hiking in winter. Not to mention there's a whole host of other issues like hypothermia, ice, and falling snow and ice from trees. If your foot gets wet, you won't feel it after the initial soak but it'll still be causing problems, that will get worse and worse the longer you are out. If something happens to you out there, the risks are so much higher in winter. A coat isn't enough. You need gear. You need resources you don't have. You need experience as a hiker that, I'm sorry, as evidenced from how you spoke of your previous hike in the late summer of 2024, you don't have. This is not me trying to be cruel or snotty. Hiking, wilderness training, and outdoor recreation have been part of my job for the past four years now and I've been hiking since I was 13.

I know I've criticized and been angry at you a lot, I know I've been hurtful to you. I know you don't like me and I don't like you. I know we have our issues, but I don't want you to get frostbite that permanently damages your body, you could experience long term neurological issues related to brain damage, or worse, you die, alone in the cold. This happened to a dear friend of mine several years ago. He had other health complications, as you do, and he died of exposure in the Nova Scotian wilderness, in weather warmer than what we've been experiencing. It took only a few hours for him to experience brain death.

Please listen to this and reconsider your trip. Please don't go anyway just to spite me. For all the tar and poison between you and I, there have been too many trans women that died young.

a fan, a friend, Mikaila, whoever is checking her tag that is close to her, please get her to read this and see reason. So many inexperienced hikers die or get hurt during the winter because they just don't know what it's going to be like. This isn't a slight against her it is deep concern.

And for my followers and people that aren't her fans in general, don't be dicks in the notes please. I'm putting aside criticism because I don't want to see a fellow human being get seriously hurt or lose their life.

I don’t understand the people complaining about Lily’s voice like I haven’t really seen anyone making fun of her having a deeper/not traditionally feminine voice? It’s mostly her tone and cadence people are talking about. Like I think Sai said it was like Ben Shapiro talking super quick with an air of superiority so it tricks people into believing she knows what she’s talking about. Comparing a way of speaking isn’t transphobia?

Absolutely. And it's that voice that makes people listen to her. I think that there are people that are transphobic to Lily but from what I've seen, they're a very small minority and not welcome in what I would loosely call the Lily Orchard critical community.

can’t believe you featured me on stream!!!!

will you be dropping the Lily Orchard critical blocklist of 70 tumblrs?

a lot of marginalized tumblr users get put on blocklists for essentially being a certain group OP hates and daring to correct them

so some people consider it a badge of honor

or would that attract more harassment from whoever compiled it?

Ant released it over on his account if you want to check it.

So let me get this straight. When a non trans woman criticizes Lily Orchard it's transmisogyny. But when a trans woman criticizes Lily Orchard they're a whiny entitled bitch. Okay got it.

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